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	<title>Comments on: Local Governments Moving Forward On Illegals</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/</link>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-24205</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-24205</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

Sorry my replies are often late. I spend most of my time working on difficult technical problems, and don't have much time to play or debate.
I've already been criticized for typo's and sentence structure.  But I really don't care. If people appreciate the content and its solid, I've met my goal to inform and provoke thoughtful understanding.  I can only apologize for late replies and bad grammer, but most people understand and accept I don't have time to run through a word processor, and when I do on a long post meant as a one way transmission for an issue statement, I don't structure it in any way except newpaper fill.

You however have posed an interesting and heartfelt reply that deserves an answer.

I would love to give Indians back large portions of their land, but that is not feasible unless it is done only as a small purchase for each tribe or nation, and placed in trust as a National Park in their honor (A Tribal museum that could make income for them, and later expand the land purchase).  Feasibly, you can only buy land back as it becomes available for private purchase.  I would not advocate imminant domain, but would support people donating land in trust (living trust, or protected natural refuges). VA has laws where this can be done in conservatory status.  I would propose the same to the Indian Nations who once occupied the native land.  They were the original Immigrants to North America BTW, 10,000.00 years ago at the end of the last Ice age.  They are of ASIAN ethnic group descent, with DNA markers back to Mongolia and Kazakhstan.  They killed the entire population of early Aborigines, who migrated in boats east to NA, except for very few left in Argentina.

I am 1/16 Cherokee, but do not register with a Native status.  The rest of me is European most recently, but again very mixed, so it DOES NOT MATTER,  IMHO we are ALL mixed races if you only go back a short time in history (40-60K years, we ALL have genetic markers that came from areas of Southern Egypt, and later Kazakhstan, so technically we are ALL African and Russian Mix. This is why I get so angry when people try to protest racially, name their protest groups by race or ethnic group (it causes conflict and NEVER peace), align racially or ethnically on GROUP ideologies, and HATE others not like themselves, or try to have civil riots with others who are not like themselves.  The only isuue in my mind is the issue of "legal" and "illegal".  That is a social, ecomonic, and moral issue. The recent influx of "illegal" aliens is doing this 1960's racial devisiveness thing all over again, as are the religions and genders.  It will divide and destroy our country.  It is wrong and needs to be stopped! I hope you feel the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>Sorry my replies are often late. I spend most of my time working on difficult technical problems, and don&#8217;t have much time to play or debate.<br />
I&#8217;ve already been criticized for typo&#8217;s and sentence structure.  But I really don&#8217;t care. If people appreciate the content and its solid, I&#8217;ve met my goal to inform and provoke thoughtful understanding.  I can only apologize for late replies and bad grammer, but most people understand and accept I don&#8217;t have time to run through a word processor, and when I do on a long post meant as a one way transmission for an issue statement, I don&#8217;t structure it in any way except newpaper fill.</p>
<p>You however have posed an interesting and heartfelt reply that deserves an answer.</p>
<p>I would love to give Indians back large portions of their land, but that is not feasible unless it is done only as a small purchase for each tribe or nation, and placed in trust as a National Park in their honor (A Tribal museum that could make income for them, and later expand the land purchase).  Feasibly, you can only buy land back as it becomes available for private purchase.  I would not advocate imminant domain, but would support people donating land in trust (living trust, or protected natural refuges). VA has laws where this can be done in conservatory status.  I would propose the same to the Indian Nations who once occupied the native land.  They were the original Immigrants to North America BTW, 10,000.00 years ago at the end of the last Ice age.  They are of ASIAN ethnic group descent, with DNA markers back to Mongolia and Kazakhstan.  They killed the entire population of early Aborigines, who migrated in boats east to NA, except for very few left in Argentina.</p>
<p>I am 1/16 Cherokee, but do not register with a Native status.  The rest of me is European most recently, but again very mixed, so it DOES NOT MATTER,  IMHO we are ALL mixed races if you only go back a short time in history (40-60K years, we ALL have genetic markers that came from areas of Southern Egypt, and later Kazakhstan, so technically we are ALL African and Russian Mix. This is why I get so angry when people try to protest racially, name their protest groups by race or ethnic group (it causes conflict and NEVER peace), align racially or ethnically on GROUP ideologies, and HATE others not like themselves, or try to have civil riots with others who are not like themselves.  The only isuue in my mind is the issue of &#8220;legal&#8221; and &#8220;illegal&#8221;.  That is a social, ecomonic, and moral issue. The recent influx of &#8220;illegal&#8221; aliens is doing this 1960&#8217;s racial devisiveness thing all over again, as are the religions and genders.  It will divide and destroy our country.  It is wrong and needs to be stopped! I hope you feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23884</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23884</guid>
		<description>Start with the benefits. If you want benefits (welfare, foodstamps, etc.)...you get fingerprinted and photographed and a background check is conducted to ensure you are who you say you are (much like the verify database or whatever it is called). This will help to track everyone that is on these things to ensure no one is taking these benefits for life. Also, it will prevent double dipping using forged information. Before you liberals cry foul....just remember, getting benefits is purely a voluntary thing. If you don't want to get checked out...don't apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start with the benefits. If you want benefits (welfare, foodstamps, etc.)&#8230;you get fingerprinted and photographed and a background check is conducted to ensure you are who you say you are (much like the verify database or whatever it is called). This will help to track everyone that is on these things to ensure no one is taking these benefits for life. Also, it will prevent double dipping using forged information. Before you liberals cry foul&#8230;.just remember, getting benefits is purely a voluntary thing. If you don&#8217;t want to get checked out&#8230;don&#8217;t apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23867</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23867</guid>
		<description>SYP, I see a lot of lawsuits as well. It will be like DWB on 95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SYP, I see a lot of lawsuits as well. It will be like DWB on 95.</p>
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		<title>By: SEEYOURPROBLEM</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23855</link>
		<dc:creator>SEEYOURPROBLEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23855</guid>
		<description>I see a lot of lawsuits if you profile. I think you shouldn't fear anything if you are here legally. One question Monticuo, How do you prove that the documents are genuine? The ones that exist now can be forged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of lawsuits if you profile. I think you shouldn&#8217;t fear anything if you are here legally. One question Monticuo, How do you prove that the documents are genuine? The ones that exist now can be forged.</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23852</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23852</guid>
		<description>Leila:  That is not harassment.  The fact is, based on deductive reasoning, some may look more like illegal aliens than others.  The legal immigrants should be happy to show their legitimate papers.  If their papers are genuine and not forged or stolen, they should have no problem.  Might their feelings be hurt?  In some cases.  But it's a small price to pay to clean up this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila:  That is not harassment.  The fact is, based on deductive reasoning, some may look more like illegal aliens than others.  The legal immigrants should be happy to show their legitimate papers.  If their papers are genuine and not forged or stolen, they should have no problem.  Might their feelings be hurt?  In some cases.  But it&#8217;s a small price to pay to clean up this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23832</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23832</guid>
		<description>Monticup, harassment will happen if asking for proof of legal residence or citizenship is not across the board, eg. if people are questioned on the basis of their appearance or language and that is considered probable cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monticup, harassment will happen if asking for proof of legal residence or citizenship is not across the board, eg. if people are questioned on the basis of their appearance or language and that is considered probable cause.</p>
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		<title>By: dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23825</link>
		<dc:creator>dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23825</guid>
		<description>Michael,

I am your typical bleeding heart over American Indians.  I make no bones about it.  However, let's think about your proposal and its implications.  

What would you do if your house were sitting on these sacred Indian lands?  I think your heart is in the right place but the practical end of returning Indian lands to the Indians is simply not possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I am your typical bleeding heart over American Indians.  I make no bones about it.  However, let&#8217;s think about your proposal and its implications.  </p>
<p>What would you do if your house were sitting on these sacred Indian lands?  I think your heart is in the right place but the practical end of returning Indian lands to the Indians is simply not possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23822</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23822</guid>
		<description>But he acknowledged that he must win over lawmakers to accomplish anything. “It is possible to transform Mexico, but it cannot be done by decree,” he said.”

It can be done at the point of a bayonet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he acknowledged that he must win over lawmakers to accomplish anything. “It is possible to transform Mexico, but it cannot be done by decree,” he said.”</p>
<p>It can be done at the point of a bayonet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23821</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23821</guid>
		<description>No one is going to get harrassed.  If immigrant is here legally he has nothing to worry about.  All laws can be legally enforced.  They are laws.  Laws should be enforced.  Correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is going to get harrassed.  If immigrant is here legally he has nothing to worry about.  All laws can be legally enforced.  They are laws.  Laws should be enforced.  Correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23820</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23820</guid>
		<description>I also realized that Patriots link the the USA.GOV (spanish version) website only represented the Hispanic ethnic group language with a special privilege that all the OTHER ethnic groups represented in our country do not get.  Althought it is LEGAL for a nation to use a SINGLE language that all other people and ethnic groups represented in the nation have the highest potential to understand, and since it is unconstitutional and unlawful to give one ethnic group, racial, religious, or gender group special privilige without giving it to ALL others equally (this US.GOV website does not and therefore IS NOT LEGAL), and since ENGLISH is the NATIVE language of our nation it should be the only language on publicly funded sites, unless ALL other possible languages are equally represented, including NAVAJHO original tongue. (I apologize to the 500 American Indian Nations for what white Settler ancestry did to them, they did not represent ME. I think all Americans ought to give 1 dollar of tax money, i.e. $360Million dollars to buy a portion of each American Indian Nations land back from private ownership, let it return to its native natural state and give it back in trust as a national park and museum to each of these 500 nations whose land was taken and stolen by former US presidents and broken treaties)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also realized that Patriots link the the USA.GOV (spanish version) website only represented the Hispanic ethnic group language with a special privilege that all the OTHER ethnic groups represented in our country do not get.  Althought it is LEGAL for a nation to use a SINGLE language that all other people and ethnic groups represented in the nation have the highest potential to understand, and since it is unconstitutional and unlawful to give one ethnic group, racial, religious, or gender group special privilige without giving it to ALL others equally (this US.GOV website does not and therefore IS NOT LEGAL), and since ENGLISH is the NATIVE language of our nation it should be the only language on publicly funded sites, unless ALL other possible languages are equally represented, including NAVAJHO original tongue. (I apologize to the 500 American Indian Nations for what white Settler ancestry did to them, they did not represent ME. I think all Americans ought to give 1 dollar of tax money, i.e. $360Million dollars to buy a portion of each American Indian Nations land back from private ownership, let it return to its native natural state and give it back in trust as a national park and museum to each of these 500 nations whose land was taken and stolen by former US presidents and broken treaties)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23818</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23818</guid>
		<description>Sorry I didn't realize that Patriot had already posted the link. to Mexico's presidential speech.  I got carried away I was so angry and insulted by these remarks! What an arrogant leader!  I still can't believe our own President has said nothing in rebuke.  Bush has just made one continuous mistake after another that the Amrican people and history will not forget.  The American people must represent the people's legal and moral rights to uphold and enforce the law we created with our represented local and state officials, if the President is not going to represent and support us by ensuring the law as written is enforced in all communites at all levels.  If our existing elected oficials don't enforce our existing laws, then the next step we need to take as a US Citizen's right is to petition (by petition) for the removal of those leaders who misrepresent us and do not uphold and enforce our existing laws.  That includes Governor Kaine if he does not act to enforce 287(g) and our existing laws governing "illegal" immigration and protect the citizens of our State and community from "illegal" activity and decline of our general welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t realize that Patriot had already posted the link. to Mexico&#8217;s presidential speech.  I got carried away I was so angry and insulted by these remarks! What an arrogant leader!  I still can&#8217;t believe our own President has said nothing in rebuke.  Bush has just made one continuous mistake after another that the Amrican people and history will not forget.  The American people must represent the people&#8217;s legal and moral rights to uphold and enforce the law we created with our represented local and state officials, if the President is not going to represent and support us by ensuring the law as written is enforced in all communites at all levels.  If our existing elected oficials don&#8217;t enforce our existing laws, then the next step we need to take as a US Citizen&#8217;s right is to petition (by petition) for the removal of those leaders who misrepresent us and do not uphold and enforce our existing laws.  That includes Governor Kaine if he does not act to enforce 287(g) and our existing laws governing &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigration and protect the citizens of our State and community from &#8220;illegal&#8221; activity and decline of our general welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23817</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23817</guid>
		<description>Monticup, bubbles was Dan's word, and was not referring to the local situation. I think locally as in M/MP it is more than bubbles. But we will have to wait and see what the local governments actually decide they can legally enforce and whether they can overcome the almost certain legal challenges to the regulations as well as lawsuits if those who fit the profile, but are legal, start to get harassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monticup, bubbles was Dan&#8217;s word, and was not referring to the local situation. I think locally as in M/MP it is more than bubbles. But we will have to wait and see what the local governments actually decide they can legally enforce and whether they can overcome the almost certain legal challenges to the regulations as well as lawsuits if those who fit the profile, but are legal, start to get harassed.</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23815</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23815</guid>
		<description>Leila:  Are you happy that you're just seeing bubbles?  Compared to a year ago, I see a wave.  I want to see a tidal wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila:  Are you happy that you&#8217;re just seeing bubbles?  Compared to a year ago, I see a wave.  I want to see a tidal wave.</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23814</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23814</guid>
		<description>Michael:  Let me help you understand.  The USA cannot enforce our laws and secure our border vis a vis Mexico, etc.  But Mexico is allowed to enforce and/or make up any law it wants.  Mexicans are allowed to disregard our border.  And the crimes they commit?  They're not really crimes because Mexicans don't have to follow our laws.  Americans are just being difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:  Let me help you understand.  The USA cannot enforce our laws and secure our border vis a vis Mexico, etc.  But Mexico is allowed to enforce and/or make up any law it wants.  Mexicans are allowed to disregard our border.  And the crimes they commit?  They&#8217;re not really crimes because Mexicans don&#8217;t have to follow our laws.  Americans are just being difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23809</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23809</guid>
		<description>I can believe what I just found. Even the President of Mexico, doesn't believe a nation has a right to enforce it's own laws.  He doesn't understand that Americans are tired of dealing with people who break the law, are tired of dealing with the crime rings, gangs, border terrorists, and mafias that "illegally" enter our country.

I can't believe that he made a statement that "Wherever there is a mexican, there is Mexico".  What is he trying to do, claim US land and mexican oversight legal authority and legal status for every location a Mexican has a foot planted as if its a Flag?

That's like saying evertine a US citizen goes to Mexico, they own it and only come under US law.  What an arrogant insult to every US citizen!

Here's what he said in a speech... Sorry to post it so large, but you should read this, no wonder the "illegal" people who come here only care about their own race and ethnic group at the expense of all others, with a leader like that...

"MEXICO CITY, Sept. 2 — President Felipe Calderón harshly criticized the United States government on Sunday for the recent crackdown on illegal immigrants, saying it has led to the persecution of immigrant workers without visas.

The Bush administration has stepped up raids on factories and farms suspected of hiring illegal workers, imposing heavy fines and deporting a record number of illegal immigrants in 2006. The United States Congress this summer failed to approve proposed legislation to revamp immigration laws to make it easier for Mexican immigrants to gain citizenship or temporary work visas, disappointing the Calderón administration. 

“In the name of the government of Mexico, I again issue an energetic protest against the unilateral measures taken by the Congress and the United States government that exacerbate the persecution and the vexing treatment against undocumented Mexican workers,” Mr. Calderón said in his annual formal address to the nation. 

“The insensitivity shown toward those who have contributed to the economy and the United States society has been an inducement to redouble the struggle to recognize the enormous contribution to the economy of both countries and to defend their rights.”

As he has in the past, Mr. Calderón called on the United States Congress to pass changes to immigration law that would grant legal status to about 12 million Mexicans living and working illegally in the United States. He also reiterated his strong opposition to plans to build more fences and other barriers along much of the southern border. The assembled business executives and dignitaries gave him a standing ovation. 

Criticizing the United States for its treatment of illegal Mexican immigrants has become routine for most Mexican politicians, including Mr. Calderón. Because the immigrants send home about $20 billion a year and because the yearly migration of more than 400,000 people relieves Mexico of masses of the poor, the government here has little incentive either to stem the migration northward or to support stricter measures making it harder for Mexicans to cross the border. 

As the United States has stepped up enforcement efforts over the last two years, it has sent more and more Mexican immigrants home, where they have little or no work. Last year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents deported 183,431 people after raids nationwide. 

The border patrol, meanwhile, has reported steep declines in apprehensions along the border over the last year, suggesting that fewer people are trying to enter illegally in light of beefed-up patrols and new physical barriers. 

In his speech, Mr. Calderón, who has acknowledged that he has relatives who migrated to the United States, suggested that the deportation of undocumented immigrants bordered on a violation of human rights, and he vowed to help illegal migrants. 

“I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico,” he said. “And, for this reason, the government action on behalf of our countrymen is guided by principles, for the defense and protection of their rights.”

American employers who ignore immigration laws may face criminal charges and higher fines under a new enforcement effort announced in August. 

Last week, Mr. Calderón, a conservative, met with Elvira Arellano, 32, a Mexican who entered the United states illegally and became famous among advocates for Mexican immigrants for defying deportation orders and claiming sanctuary in a Chicago church for a year. In a meeting in his Los Pinos residence, he promised to help Ms. Arellano obtain a visa for the United States.

Mr. Calderón, who took office last December after a razor-thin victory, was forced to deliver his annual state-of-the-nation speech to an invited audience in the National Palace on Sunday because on Saturday leftist lawmakers refused to let him deliver it to Congress, as presidents have done traditionally. He sent it to Congress in writing instead.

Mr. Calderón also urged Congress to pass a tax reform bill, to open the energy sector to more foreign investment and to take other measures he maintains will make Mexico more competitive and will create jobs. He said his goal as president was to generate more wealth and distribute it more equally.

But he acknowledged that he must win over lawmakers to accomplish anything. “It is possible to transform Mexico, but it cannot be done by decree,” he said."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can believe what I just found. Even the President of Mexico, doesn&#8217;t believe a nation has a right to enforce it&#8217;s own laws.  He doesn&#8217;t understand that Americans are tired of dealing with people who break the law, are tired of dealing with the crime rings, gangs, border terrorists, and mafias that &#8220;illegally&#8221; enter our country.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that he made a statement that &#8220;Wherever there is a mexican, there is Mexico&#8221;.  What is he trying to do, claim US land and mexican oversight legal authority and legal status for every location a Mexican has a foot planted as if its a Flag?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying evertine a US citizen goes to Mexico, they own it and only come under US law.  What an arrogant insult to every US citizen!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what he said in a speech&#8230; Sorry to post it so large, but you should read this, no wonder the &#8220;illegal&#8221; people who come here only care about their own race and ethnic group at the expense of all others, with a leader like that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;MEXICO CITY, Sept. 2 — President Felipe Calderón harshly criticized the United States government on Sunday for the recent crackdown on illegal immigrants, saying it has led to the persecution of immigrant workers without visas.</p>
<p>The Bush administration has stepped up raids on factories and farms suspected of hiring illegal workers, imposing heavy fines and deporting a record number of illegal immigrants in 2006. The United States Congress this summer failed to approve proposed legislation to revamp immigration laws to make it easier for Mexican immigrants to gain citizenship or temporary work visas, disappointing the Calderón administration. </p>
<p>“In the name of the government of Mexico, I again issue an energetic protest against the unilateral measures taken by the Congress and the United States government that exacerbate the persecution and the vexing treatment against undocumented Mexican workers,” Mr. Calderón said in his annual formal address to the nation. </p>
<p>“The insensitivity shown toward those who have contributed to the economy and the United States society has been an inducement to redouble the struggle to recognize the enormous contribution to the economy of both countries and to defend their rights.”</p>
<p>As he has in the past, Mr. Calderón called on the United States Congress to pass changes to immigration law that would grant legal status to about 12 million Mexicans living and working illegally in the United States. He also reiterated his strong opposition to plans to build more fences and other barriers along much of the southern border. The assembled business executives and dignitaries gave him a standing ovation. </p>
<p>Criticizing the United States for its treatment of illegal Mexican immigrants has become routine for most Mexican politicians, including Mr. Calderón. Because the immigrants send home about $20 billion a year and because the yearly migration of more than 400,000 people relieves Mexico of masses of the poor, the government here has little incentive either to stem the migration northward or to support stricter measures making it harder for Mexicans to cross the border. </p>
<p>As the United States has stepped up enforcement efforts over the last two years, it has sent more and more Mexican immigrants home, where they have little or no work. Last year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents deported 183,431 people after raids nationwide. </p>
<p>The border patrol, meanwhile, has reported steep declines in apprehensions along the border over the last year, suggesting that fewer people are trying to enter illegally in light of beefed-up patrols and new physical barriers. </p>
<p>In his speech, Mr. Calderón, who has acknowledged that he has relatives who migrated to the United States, suggested that the deportation of undocumented immigrants bordered on a violation of human rights, and he vowed to help illegal migrants. </p>
<p>“I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico,” he said. “And, for this reason, the government action on behalf of our countrymen is guided by principles, for the defense and protection of their rights.”</p>
<p>American employers who ignore immigration laws may face criminal charges and higher fines under a new enforcement effort announced in August. </p>
<p>Last week, Mr. Calderón, a conservative, met with Elvira Arellano, 32, a Mexican who entered the United states illegally and became famous among advocates for Mexican immigrants for defying deportation orders and claiming sanctuary in a Chicago church for a year. In a meeting in his Los Pinos residence, he promised to help Ms. Arellano obtain a visa for the United States.</p>
<p>Mr. Calderón, who took office last December after a razor-thin victory, was forced to deliver his annual state-of-the-nation speech to an invited audience in the National Palace on Sunday because on Saturday leftist lawmakers refused to let him deliver it to Congress, as presidents have done traditionally. He sent it to Congress in writing instead.</p>
<p>Mr. Calderón also urged Congress to pass a tax reform bill, to open the energy sector to more foreign investment and to take other measures he maintains will make Mexico more competitive and will create jobs. He said his goal as president was to generate more wealth and distribute it more equally.</p>
<p>But he acknowledged that he must win over lawmakers to accomplish anything. “It is possible to transform Mexico, but it cannot be done by decree,” he said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I see the bubbles around the country. I just don't see it as a tide that will have the impact you are presuming. I think it is a central issue for politicians to play to for the Republican base, but the business forces allied against it will probably prevail.
Plus local and national politicians get the brownie points even when the things they try to do are ruled unconstitutional and stopped in the ir tracks, like in Hazleton. I can't help wondering if everything will end up in an amnesty as occurred under the president the Republicans revere as a saint. 

I'm not saying there won't be crackdowns. There will be more and more workplaces busted, etc.  But I doubt a fence/wall will ever be built across nearly 2,000 miles of border or that if it is, it will be patrolled in a way that can't be circumvented easily. After all, countries trying to maintain and patrol much tinier fences/walls as borders in just the hundreds of miles can't do it. And this country doesn't have the manpower, the money, or in truth the inclination, if it hurts business. I think it will be like many other Republican base issues. I am hard pressed to name one that has resulted in significant changes despite all the rhetoric to the faithful.

There was a very interesting article in the NYT about two brothers split by the illegal immigration issue. One is the mayor of a small NJ town and is like Barletta, and his brother is a Legal Aid lawyer. Very fascinating story. They are breaking their elderly mother's heart by no longer speaking.


In a New Jersey Town, an Immigration Fight Pits Brother Against Brother

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/nyregion/04brothers.html?_r=1&#38;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I see the bubbles around the country. I just don&#8217;t see it as a tide that will have the impact you are presuming. I think it is a central issue for politicians to play to for the Republican base, but the business forces allied against it will probably prevail.<br />
Plus local and national politicians get the brownie points even when the things they try to do are ruled unconstitutional and stopped in the ir tracks, like in Hazleton. I can&#8217;t help wondering if everything will end up in an amnesty as occurred under the president the Republicans revere as a saint. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying there won&#8217;t be crackdowns. There will be more and more workplaces busted, etc.  But I doubt a fence/wall will ever be built across nearly 2,000 miles of border or that if it is, it will be patrolled in a way that can&#8217;t be circumvented easily. After all, countries trying to maintain and patrol much tinier fences/walls as borders in just the hundreds of miles can&#8217;t do it. And this country doesn&#8217;t have the manpower, the money, or in truth the inclination, if it hurts business. I think it will be like many other Republican base issues. I am hard pressed to name one that has resulted in significant changes despite all the rhetoric to the faithful.</p>
<p>There was a very interesting article in the NYT about two brothers split by the illegal immigration issue. One is the mayor of a small NJ town and is like Barletta, and his brother is a Legal Aid lawyer. Very fascinating story. They are breaking their elderly mother&#8217;s heart by no longer speaking.</p>
<p>In a New Jersey Town, an Immigration Fight Pits Brother Against Brother</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/nyregion/04brothers.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/nyregion/04brothers.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/05/local-governments-moving-forward-on-illegals/#comment-23805</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Business licenses should only be issued after the business has completed the E-verify process sponsored by DHS.  This takes minutes to complete and will address the pushcart issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business licenses should only be issued after the business has completed the E-verify process sponsored by DHS.  This takes minutes to complete and will address the pushcart issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a teacher and today one of my students told me that his dad had been deported.  He said that he thought he would be back in 10 days.  It's an uphill battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a teacher and today one of my students told me that his dad had been deported.  He said that he thought he would be back in 10 days.  It&#8217;s an uphill battle.</p>
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		<title>By: ddpdrinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddpdrinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the hurricane damage down there, they should be able to find some work, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the hurricane damage down there, they should be able to find some work, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they're doing work our truckers won't do.  They're bringing in drugs, more illegals, sex slaves, terrorists, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they&#8217;re doing work our truckers won&#8217;t do.  They&#8217;re bringing in drugs, more illegals, sex slaves, terrorists, etc.</p>
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