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It’s Just Your Imagination
By Greg L | 9 September 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 70 Comments
Apparently some of the few Democrats that are trying to support the illegal alien lobby are testing out a new campaign message: there is no illegal alien problem. To wit, courtesy of Cobalt6:
If you haven’t seen it, check out the editorial in today’s Washington Post: The Immigrant-Bashing Tack, about the despicable posturing of William J. Howell, the Republican speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates. Never mind that the “problem” he’s trying to address doesn’t exist, it’s this kind of fear-mongering that the Republicans have exploited to great effect in the past. It’s our job to call them on their lies.
Well, stop the presses, folks. Illegal aliens aren’t actually committing murder and rape in the Commonwealth, it’s just our fertile imaginations. There really aren’t houses packed with illegal alien laborers, who “hot bunk” in shifts. There are no rings of illegal aliens who run fake identity factories in Woodbridge. Those hundreds of day laborers which have turned the corner of Route One and Prince William Parkway into the area’s largest open-air toilet are all legal residents who just didn’t want to bother with the hassles of steady employment. Oh, and those 240 illegal aliens who are processed through the Prince William County Adult Detention Center’s intake unit each month? They’re phantasms, or something.
Look into their eyes as they repeat “the problem doesn’t exist” in a dull monotone, and maybe, just maybe you’ll start to believe it if it’s repeated enough. Or not.
The real problem here is that there actually are Democrats who recognize the problem and have been voting for years along with Republicans to try to address it. Similarly, the problem exists because both Republicans and Democrats, especially at the national level, have been saying “the problem doesn’t exist” and have been complicit in fostering the conditions we’re now faced with. This isn’t, and shouldn’t be a partisan issue. But if folks like Cobalt6 and VB Dems continue their dedication to supporting the illegal alien lobby, to some extent it might become one.
I doubt that will happen, though. Overwhelming majorities in the Commonwealth support taking whatever actions we legally can undertake to reduce the number of illegal aliens in Virginia. Anyone who bases their political future on the prospect of shielding illegal aliens from the consequences of their unlawful behavior is really putting themselves at grave risk. Too many people have personally had to deal with this problem to accept this strange notion that the problem doesn’t actually exist.
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I guess it is like little kids that stand in front of you with their hands shielding their face and saying ‘ you can’t see me” - mentality
The editorial board of the COMPOST shows just how stupid the defenders of illegals really are. They don’t see a problem because they support illegals. It is like an alcoholic who can’t see they have a drinking problem.
Nice name calling too, even though the defenders of illegal aliens say they are above name calling.
The elected officials are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, listen to the people and attempt to fix the problems that are hampering the Commonwealth.
Though, you have to love the COMPOST, they want to ban what is a right–gun ownership, but want to support what is not a right-illegal immigration.
Ben Tribbett of “Not Larry Sabato” ilk also has poo-pooed this as an issue in the past except for when he thinks he can get free food and drink for himself out of the deal by saying, “Oh, yeah. Illegal immigrants are bad. Pass me another mozarella stick…”
These local democrats are only repeating what the White House, the Senate, the Congress and most of the cabinet heads have been saying for years.
It has been the Bush mantra since he was elected.
It was Asa Hutchinson’s line, Tom Ridge’s line and not Chertoff.
Illegal employers? What illegal employers? That has been Warner and Jo Ann Davis’ line.
“Never mind that the “problem” he’s trying to address doesn’t exist”
For those ho didn’t read the editorial, he wasn’t talking about illegal immigration. The quote was taken out of contest. It was a way to explain that the majority of higher education institutions in Virginia doesn’t allow illegal aliens to enroll. The proposal to deny college entrance to illegal aliens, the editorial says, is just a way to use whatever is available to bash a group. 36% of applicants are denied entrance but it is not because of illegal aliens taken their places. Remember that a month or so ago a Salvadoran was denied state tuition because he was considered a temporary resident? Belive me, they check the students papers,even community colleges.
So please Greg be as responsible as you have always be and put the quote in context.
I guess you guys don’t mind spending money on brown people as long as it’s to drop bombs on them, right?
“Oh, the tax costs of illegal immigrants! Oh, the assault on our precious Virginia values!”
Yes, you mouth breathers got your gay marriage amendment, now it’s on to the illegal immigrants!
What will you do when you run out of boogeymen?
Another example of the utter failure of conservatism as a philosophy.
There are no more illegal immigrants in Prince William County, Manassas Park or Manassas this year than last. This is purely an election year ploy, a wedge issue to drive people to the polls. In every other way, the Republican Party has been ripped to shreds by corruption at all levels or government and you guys have no leg to stand on other than this one.
Granted, illegal immigration is a problem. I spoke with someone in Manassas this past week who told me that there were 100 people living within 6 houses on his street. I believe him.
However, until the federal government steps up to the plate, our local authorities are limited as to what they can do. County officials can do immigration status checks when people are incarcerated — then process these folk for deportation; crack down on people who hire illegals; change the codes so that no more than 4 unrelated people can live in a house at a time, then enforce the law. The state could provide funding to help with local efforts.
Employers? I have it on very good authority that illegals are being hired into jobs that once were held by teenagers around here — McDonalds, for Pete’s sake. But until our leaders in Congress really get serious, work together to pass veto-proof legislation to punish businesses who are using these people to improve efficencies of labor, we’re at a standstill.
Your high-profile hyperbole does nothing but inflame people.
There are better, more decent ways to go about addressing the problem. Talking about the issue rationally would help.
you mouth breathers got your gay marriage amendment, now it’s on to the illegal immigrants!
What will you do when you run out of boogeymen?
Another example of the utter failure of conservatism as a philosophy.
You underestimate us, my friend. When we run out of your “boogeymen” - we are going to start on YOU.
“we are going to start on YOU.” says “Anonymous.”
Oh, somebody hide me…Ann Coulter is going to send me to Guantanamo.
bwaaaaah ha haha ha ha….
As I have said before Liberals=http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/Photofun/76-head_up_ass.jpg
You represent lawlessness, drug users/dealers, welfare recipients, Godlessness, baby murder and the general run of the mill scum bag. You were also the party of segregation, though that little part gets skipped past today. The following article demonstrates nicely the link above, and those liberals who have posted are included in the above as well.
CORAL GABLES, Florida — Questions about immigration dominated a forum for Democratic presidential candidates put on Sunday by the Spanish-language television network Univision.
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Democratic presidential candidates at a forum Sunday put on by Univision in Florida.
Front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton condemned what she called “very destructive” rhetoric on the issue.
Other Democrats blasted Republicans for demanding to clamp down on the U.S.-Mexico border. The candidates also took implicit jabs at GOP contenders who refused to sign up for a similar Spanish-language forum.
“There are many in the political world and, frankly, in the broadcast world today that take a particular aim at the Latino population,” Clinton said. “I think it is very destructive. It undermines our unity as a country.”
She cited an immigration bill the House of Representatives passed in 2006 as a “particularly egregious example.” Video Watch a sampling of the candidates’ answers, translated to Spanish »
She said the bill, which would have punished people who aid illegal immigrants, “would have criminalized the Good Samaritan. It would have criminalized Jesus Christ.”
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Univision offered a similar platform for Republicans, but it was shelved after only one of the nine GOP contenders — Sen. John McCain of Arizona — agreed to appear.
Among the Republican field, McCain has been a lonely defender of the White House-backed immigration bill that foundered in the Senate earlier this year.
That bill would have created a path to legal status for the estimated 12 million-plus undocumented workers believed to be in the United States — a provision many conservatives denounced as “amnesty” for illegal immigrants.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said construction of a fence along the Mexican border to block illegal immigration was “a terrible example of Washington’s misguided policy.”
“Congress only funded half of the wall,” said Richardson, who also served as energy secretary and U.N. ambassador in the Clinton administration. “If you are going to build a 12-foot wall, you know what is going to happen? A lot of 13-foot ladders. This is a terrible symbol of America.”
Clinton said she favored tighter border controls, but said the nation needs comprehensive immigration reform.
The failed immigration bill also would have created a guest-worker program for immigrants.
Sen. Barack Obama, who has placed a consistent second in national polls, said President Bush missed a chance to defuse the fears of American workers who believe illegal immigrants will take their jobs.
“They feel that they are losing jobs. They feel like they are losing health care,” the Illinois senator said. “They feel that they are falling behind, and their children won’t have a better future. So a president has to speak out forcefully against anti-immigrant sentiment and racist sentiment, but also has to make sure that all workers are being tended to.”
Since only two of the candidates — Richardson and Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd — speak Spanish, an interpreter relayed questions from the network and translated the answers for the audience.
The debate was held in South Florida, home to an extensive — and heavily Republican — Cuban immigrant population. Dodd said he would begin lifting the decades-old trade embargo on the communist government of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, saying Castro is “using that as an excuse for his own failures.”
He said Cuba was already looking past the ailing Castro, who temporarily ceded power to his brother, Raul, last year.
“We need to understand it and be part of the transition in that country, to make a difference as it is occurring,” Dodd said.
Clinton said Castro has gained allies in Latin America, such as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, under the Bush administration “because of the misguided, bullying policies of this president.” She said she would work toward democratic change in Cuba.
Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was the only Democrat to miss Sunday’s event. Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, will hold a Tuesday hearing on the Bush administration’s highly anticipated report on the progress of the war in Iraq.
Former Sen. John Edwards, the party’s 2004 vice presidential nominee, said he was concerned the report — presented by Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker — would be “a sales job by the White House.”
Edwards, of North Carolina, said that if Iraqi leaders don’t reach a political solution to the four-year-old war, Congress should set a timetable for American troops to leave.
“And if the president vetoes a bill that has a timetable for withdrawal, the Congress should send him another bill with a timetable for withdrawal until the troops come home,” he said.
Nothing in the Bush administration’s report will change the fact that there is no military solution to the problems in Iraq, Clinton said.
“I believe we should start bringing our troops home,” she said.
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It is interesting that, although I live in Greenville, You all seem to have an equivalent gripe concerning the invasion of our country. We all gripe, and these invaders do something more. They do that, “something more” because they are dissatisfied with their current state of affairs. We have our comforts, while they struggle to our country and purchase a s*** car and paint murals on it to help their inadequate souls heal. But, alas, they have to watch us drive around in our nice automobiles (sans murals). When they do a job, it is inadequate, unless it is for another brown skinned individual (so long as it is not painting murals, because they just suck at that). Roofing, the quality of work sucks. Paving - sucks, brickwork - sucks, Mowing - an overgrown two year old American can do that (or a normal sized one with an appropriately modified mower handle). They do quality work when it is for another brown-skinned individual. My biggest problem with Mexicans, and those south of them, except Antarcticans, is that given the equivalent in natural resources in their country(ies) it/they have always been utter s***. It is off the back of Americans that foreigners want to exist, and take over. Yet, they hate us. Their countries prove that they’ll turn us to utter s*** (infrastructurally speaking, because to allow this to happen means the citizenship already is). Money will come from each and every American reading this, and their children, and their grandchildren, and so on, to pay for this malpractice on the part of those that have appointed themselves our government.
[Ed note: comment edited. Let’s knock off the ethnic/racial characterizations as well. There’s plenty to talk about here without sinking to that.]
Anonymous - Uh, the majority of congress AND the president WANT amnesty for illegals. If it hadn’t been for the American public calling/emailing/faxing/screaming at the dumb congress and the dumb president - 20+ MILLLION illegal aliens PLUS bringing over THEIR familes would be citizens TODAY! Is that what you want???? 20+ million plus 60 milion family members brought over = 80 million NEW, FOREIGN-SPEAKING, POOR, UNEDUCATED citizens added to our already 300 million.
ALL OF THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC presidental candidates (yesterday) told a Hispanic audience that they ALL WANT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS LEGALIZED and if elected president would begin working on immigration the first year! Most of the Republicans are AGAINST illegal amnesty; although Rudy G., McCain and maybe Huckabee prefer ‘comprehensive’ reform. Just imagine how our TAXES WILL RISE TO PAY FOR THEIR WELFARE BENEFITS! They’d get EVERYTHING LEGALLY THEN!
It’s good that your county is doing something on it’s own - because you’ll sure get NO help from this current gov’t and esp. the NEXT gov’t if ANY DEMOCRAT IS ELECTED PRESIDENT.
Do a search on the YAHOO! for ‘illegal aliens’, ‘illegal immigrants’, ‘undocumented workers’, ‘undocumented immigrants’, etc. and you’ll find on a DAILY basis BUNCHES OF CRIMES and/or ILLEGALS SNEAKING/BEING CAUGHT BY THE BORDER PATROL. Just think of how many DON’T get caught by the border control!!! This is a very, very serious life/country changing problem and I don’t think enough people realize how dangerous the situation really is! YOU BETTER WAKE UP! You better pay attention to what the pres. candidates are saying - esp. the DEMOCRATS!
For those of you who don’t think there is a problem with illegal aliens, come live in our neck of the woods. Buy one of the houses that has been foreclosed. When you move in make sure you prop open the screen door. Then get back with us a month later. Do you have eyes that see but cannot see? Do you have ears that hear but cannot hear?
“You were also the party of segregation, though that little part gets skipped past today.”
Yeah, I’ll admit that, but you know what happened? The Dixiecrat segregationists joined the Republican Party. That’s a major reason the South now votes Republican. Just ask Trent Lott. It’s called the Southern Solution.
Kestre,
You are funny. Since when did you liberals get a sense of humor? I suppose DUI’s are bogymen too? Child molesters? Crack cocaine? I know it might be hard for your liberal brain to function at this level, but what do all three of those issues have in common? I will wait to see if you can come up with the answer.
The liberals are so far off their trollies that they don’t even realize that their beloved multiculturalism actually promotes separatism based on ethnic-centric lines. There is a reason we have a melting pot….so that we can all integrate. This must be too tough of a concept for liberals to understand.
Kestrel9000, Can’t you come up with anything better than making this an issue of color? I hope this doesn’t shock you too much but illegal aliens come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
I read this article. I was disturbed by the blatent disregard for the opinions of many legal American citizens. Apparently, this individual wants to dismiss the recent polls indicating that many legal American citizens are concerned about boarder security and the impact of illegal aliens. Any politician that tires to make people feel as if they are delusional is a hack.
Whoa, that wedge politics is better than crack (speaking of crack) isn’t it?
I say again, without a boogeyman, you people are as impotent as the Republican presidential candidates.
I think you guys are right when you claim the wrong side won the Civil War, because I see a bunch of people in this thread that I find embarrassing to call my countrymen.
Iraq cosy\ts $115 million a day.
Think about it.
If you DO think at all.
Kestrel,
You are too much. OK, so the war ends now what? You really are not that bright are you?
Illegals are not a boogeyman, they are law breakers. I suppose you do not want any laws to be followed right? If you say no, you are a flaming hypocrite.
The Dems are worthless, they talk a tough game on trade and protecting the AMERICAN WORKER, yet they want to allow millions of illegals to come here and take jobs from blue collar AMERICAN WORKERS. Yup, the Dems are so much better than the GOP.
I knew you were not smart enough to figure out the three items I posted. All three of those criminal acts were not taken so seriously by law enforcement and elected officials until the AMERICAN people started to get sick of them. The public demanded something be done about those issues, just like we are know demanding something to be done about illegal aliens.
The only reason why you are pissed is because you support them.
Actually, the Republicans are doing no better on this issue as a whole! Tom Tancredo is the only one who hasn’t changed his tune about things. The rest of the Republican party is status quo and no better than the Democrats (which are for globalization/nau). If Tom was independent I would vote independent! I certainly will NOT vote for any candidate (I don’t care what party they are from) who supports the illegal alien lobby in any fashion and/or the NAU/Globalization.
kestrel9000
Since you are big into numbers. How many millions does the US spend on illegals every day?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091000639.html?hpid=moreheadlines
This is why we cannot let these trucks from Mexico drive in our country!
The Patriot,
I agree there are many in the GOP who are open border types and pro-illegal aliens. I don’t have a problem admitting that unlike some who are unwilling to say the same about the Dems.
Hillary now wants to reunite families, or I guess not ‘break them up” we all know what that means. So much for the Dems being for the AMERICAN worker.
GO INDEPENDENT (unless Tom Tancredo stays in the Republican party and needs our vote).
The editorial, and my comment about the problem being non-existent, was about legislation to prevent state schools from admitting illegal immigrants as students. It wasn’t about illegal immigration in general. The legislation is nonsense because no one has been able to prove that a single state resident has been denied a place because an immigrant has been admitted instead, or that there is any cost to such hypothetical state admissions. Legislation should address real problems, but this one is designed solely to stir up the anti-immigrant crowd, as this discussion has amply demonstrated. (Fear-mongering, brought to by BVBL.)
Wow, that’s a stretch!
I’ve got plenty of reports — especially from the valley and southside — from citizens who firmly believe that their children were not admitted to a state university at the same time they were convinced that illegal aliens had been admitted. If you want to call them liars, well, just go right ahead and do so.
Previously, the debate had been over whether we would provide illegal aliens with in-state tuition, and the illegal alien lobby fought hard to retain that possibility. Now if it never happens, as you seem to allege, I wonder why they spent all that time, effort and money trying to preserve the ability of state universities to provide illegal aliens with in-state reduced tuition rates? Was that effort “nonsense” as well? I don’t recall yourself or anyone else saying so.
I don’t understand how you can desperately cling to such conflicting and contradictory beliefs and see them all as truthful. There’s a saying about open mindedness: sometimes you have to be careful of being so open minded that your brains risk falling out. Seems appropriate here.
One slot given to an illegal alien is one slot NOT given to a legal citizen.
Where would one find the actual numbers? Any links?
I haven’t gotten over accepting foreign students to Tech let alone illegals.
If I saw evidence that this was a problem then I’d agree that it’s a problem. How’s that for an open mind? Anecdotes aren’t evidence, and not everyone who thinks they’ve been wronged really has been. But that doesn’t make them liars, it just makes them wrong. But perhaps they’re right. Bring that evidence to the legislature and the bill might make sense and I might support it. (According to the editorial, there is no such evidence at the moment; if the Washington Post is wrong, be sure and let them know about it.)
But I’m afraid the real story here is the attitude of “not anon” who doesn’t want foreign students at Tech much less illegals. That says it all — it’s about xenophobia, more than it’s about the law.
kestrel9000 re: “mouth breathers”
Fascinating!
From what hole do you breath from!?
I don’t think that Illegal aliens should take the place of citizens. People seem to contradict themselves here. First, people say that they are not assimilating, not learning English, bringing problems to schools, etc. Are those the same folks getting better scores than those citizens who couldn’t compete?
Are they assimilating or not?
I guess that yo will argue that all those admissions were just a token and a way to be politically correct, right?
When illegal aliens become part of the melting pot then they are just abusing the system.
Folks, think about your arguments. You want to see everything black and white and reality doesn’t reflect that.
SEE, your arguments don’t make any sense. Sure you might have a “smart” person (who speaks English). However, speaking English does not mean one has assimilated into the American melting pot culture or embrace it either. Afterall, look at all of our legal liberal multiculturalists in our country. The competition remark is ridiculous also! Do you suppose two legal individuals would have equal opportunity for one slot if say one of them was found out to be engaged in illegal activities? I don’t think so. The one who was engaged in illegal activities wouldn’t be accepted under normal circumstances! Therefore, a message must be sent to all “illegals” that no matter how smart you are…illegal is illegal and you should be deported. Period. No exceptions.
Then Patriot, not all of them are stupid, right? Just answer that question. That is your whole argument, not just the illegal activity. That is the argument that right radiclas like you use all the time.
SEEYOURPROBLEM,
Why don’t you answer the questions directed at you? Don’t call folks out unless you are willing to do the same that you ask.
Illegals do attend college, they admit it, and so do the colleges. Why would illegals attempt to sue the Commonwealth of Virgina in order to qualify for in-state tuition?
I stand firmly with my comments because they are true and you know it!
So what you are saying is that they are dumb but Virginia citizens are dumber and cannot get to school?
I see COM. Another right radical. I like the way extremists respond to these questions
See,
Thanks for avoiding the question. Though I understand given that you are wrong and will not admit it.
Let me ask this again….. Why would illegals attempt to sue the Commonwealth of Virginia for in-State tuition?
COM,
You are just trying tio avoid answering my question by asking something that has nothing to do with the original post.
I never said that they were not admitted or that they don’t want to be admitted. I said to Patriot that he always paints them as ignorant or not willing to assimilate. So I pointed out that if they are qualifying for college then they are not that dumb.
So now answer my question:
Are all illegal aliens the same? Are they assimilating or not?
The ball is on your court now. Let’s see if you can come up with soemthing beyond the terrible Liberal term( I know that you can use other insults such as the ones used with Lovisa).
SYP,
I question how many illegal aliens are really taking the place of citizen Virginians. Have you seen any numbers to go along with these stories that keep circulating?
I have no problem with TPS aliens attending Virginia colleges at instate tuition rates if they meet the requirements for state residency. TPS aliens are here legally.
I used to howl about how many out of state students took the place of in state students. I pulled in my horns a little once it was explained that these out of state students help off-set costs for Virginia students. I guess there is just no free lunch out there.
Dolph, the fact that even one illegal can take a slot is one too many!
SEE, there are some that assimilate and many that don’t.
Assimilation has nothing to do with just speaking English. However, English is a requirement for assimilation in America. Many people speak English and have no intention on assimilating into the American melting pot culture (which promotes integration). Instead, those people hide in the shadows of liberal multiculturalism (which promotes separation based on ethnic-centric lines…which leads to balkanization…which leads to a divided nation).
Patriot,
Is there documentation that any illegal aliens have been admitted to Virginia public colleges and universities? One, 20, 100, 1000? Tha is the information I am seeking. Outside of Virginia isn’t my problem.
correction: tha=that
Dolph, we know it happens. No…I do not have any figures. The fact that it does happen (particularly with the Dream Act nonsense that is on the table)…is ridiculous. One illegal getting admission is too many!
Dolph,
It is extremely difficult to get admitted without the proper paperwork. It is not only about fake documents. Even if you get admitted you won’t qualify for financial aid.
If it happens(I don’t have the data), you will see it in community colleges. Those institutions have open admissions so they are not taking any space from americans (That doesn’t make it right).
Big instutions have so many layers of information required that you will have to be a con artist and smart to get admitted.
I don’t think it is right to get admitted whitout paying taxes. Foreigners using the regular channels have to deal with a lot of obstacles.
As far as I know it is very difficult to do it but we don’t have the data to back arguments either in favor or against the issue. We don’t know if those are anecdotes, isolated cases, or in fact we have a terrible problem.
I have worked at State and Private Universities. I work with student data and believe me it is not easy to get admitted without real papers
But….we know it is happening because we are discussing it! “Proper” paperwork can be forged can it not? Just look at the other things such as how illegals acquire benefits, fill out job applications, loans, etc. (all supposedly with “real” documents).
I am not naive to say patriot that it cannot happen but it is very difficult to do it. Even if you get in, it will almost impossible to get financial aid. The requirements and documents that you have to show are way too many.
Community colleges won’t ask a lot of questions though. If it happens, it is there where you can find more about it.
I seriously doubt that the University of Virginia could allow something like that. The layers of information requested are there and it is very easy to spot inconsistencies.
It can happen but i don’t think it is so widespread that americans kids are losing their spots. The way the selection process works leave out applicants without a solid academic background. It is not that they are dumb as SYP was saying but the truth is that they are not the best candidates.
A good thing about this country is that if you want to go college you will find your way to do it. I don’t think you can use the excuse that illegal aliens took your space if you really want to get educated but that is another issue and we are not talking about that.
TH,
I need to defend SYP here. She/he was not saying illegal aliens were dumb. She was facetiously making a point about contributors criticizng illegal aliens regardless of what they do.
Moving on to the topic, surely there is data somewhere out there. I don’t just assume something is true because people are talking about it. No one has convinced me that it is even happening.
I see your point about the community colleges. On the other hand, as I recall from picking up a course a couple years ago, you do have to verify residency. I was already in the system so I didn’t have to go back through the layers of personal information.
This issue continues to be a mystery…..
TH,
re: Illegal alien admission to college
I just checked with my brother who is fairly high in the food chain at Indiana University. He said they will not admit them and will not hire them in any capacity. I know that what happens in Indiana has no bearing on what happens in Virginia. However, I would think most colleges would have similar policies.
You might want to look at how the universities in Arizonia carry on…California too.
Seeyourproblem,
Going to college is not an indication of assimilation. Attending College is not unique to America. I can attend College in Mexico, does that mean I am completely assimilated into their Culture? Having a job, or even speaking English is not even an indication of assimilation.
No, I do not believe all illegals are dumb. Nor do I believe all of them are smart.
You are right Dolph about what SYP was saying. Sorry about that.
I totally agree with you that discussing something doesn’t mean that it exist. We can talk about big foot and have anecdotes about it too and it doesn’t mean that he/she exists.
I work for a university in this area. They have open door policy and they won’t take illegal aliens. We have campuses in nine states and we won’t take them.
COM,
I agree that speaking English doesn’t mean assimilation but it is not the only thing you need to get to college. You are assumming that they learned English and that was enoughfor them to get admitted.
I tend to agree with SYP that getting admitted, even if you are here illegally, shows something about learning how to navigate in this culture.
SAT scores are not enough. You need to show that you bring something unique to the institution (You have to show some leadership for example). I think that experiencing high school in this country helps you to learn some of the values that make this country what it is. If an illegal alien was able to beat other applicants for a slot is not OK but it tells you something about the skills they have and what some american kids are lacking. I don’t think they should be admitted just because they are qualified. There is the legality issue right there.
I cannot find data about it and I don’t think it is generated.
“I can attend College in Mexico, does that mean I am completely assimilated into their Culture?” but by learning a new language you learn elements of that culture that you wouldn’t discover otherwise. Also, if you are college material in any country, you need to have a good academic background that allows you to learn in a different culture. I truly believe that foreigners going to college learn more about our culture that any regular joe out there (think about history, March Madness, politicians coming to campus, speakers, etc).
One more thing that I forgot: student data is uploaded every week for the Virginia State Police to do some background checks.
If you are foreigner, your information is processed through the SEVIS and DHS security databases. Those two are quite powerful for detecting errors or fake documentation
TH,
Sorry to have caused confusion, I did not mean to imply that learning English was in itself a condition of being worthy of attending college. I meant it to be more of a stand alone rather then to be connected to the college part of my post.
I can attend College in France, and not know French very well, or not even at all. Students from America go overseas to attend colleges all of the time. That does not mean they are overly educated about the ways and means of the particular Nation they are attended college in.
It may be a process to enter college, but that is why colleges have employees to help students with registration. High schools have guidance counselors to help students with college paper work, choices, etc.
TH,
Re: the uploading of data for state police inspection
Is this practice relatively new? Is it a result of 9/11 or unchecked immigration?
Is the data checked by anyone other than law enforcement?
Good point about foreign students learning about our culture. Too bad several have put this knowledge to nefarious purposes. Most leave with much more appreciation for the United States.
Is preference given to foreign students who have studied here if they want to become permanent residents?
Thanks.
You know, I can’t believe how every time a person who “obviously” supports and defends an ethnic, racial, religious or gender based advocacy position (kestrel9000, louvisa, Claire Gastanga, Anonymous (whoever it is for that day), etc, gets on this forum and stirs up a controversy that goes something like this…
I belong to and identify with (insert special privilege ethnic, racial, gender or religious group here).
I think all of you on this forum who are advocating against my group are totally evil because:
1.You don’t want me to have special priviliges that the rest of you don’t get.
2. You don’t want me to take public funding away from you and spend it only on my special interest group.
3. You don’t want to agree that I have a right to break your laws anytime I feel like it, because you have more than I do, and I deserve what you got because I’m a special (insert ethnic, religious, gender or racial group name)
4. You don’t want me to steal money from your kids and give it to mine
5. You don’t want me to refuse to speak a language you can’t understand.
6. You don’t want me to work for wages that the rest of you could not possibly work for, because I’m willing to break the law, not pay tax, engage in criminal behavior, hire only people of my own race, create civil unrest because I don’t like you and send 1/2 of what I make back to my own country of origin, so it will increase my country’s wealth and family wealth, while decreasing your country’s wealth and decreases your family’s wealth.
7. You don’t want to give my kids who were anchor babies born here the right to claim dual citizenship, and get special tax and tuition treatment because their parents were not born here, but stayed here illegally because of the anchor baby (it would be so cruel to send my baby back home with illegal parents), who had parents who did not pay tax here, came into the country “illegally” and did not pay for any of the educational expenses that my child was given for free while your children got none of this.
8. You don’t like my ethnic street gangs that I view as criminal heroes
9. You won’t listen to my arguments that because I am an ethnic, gender, racial, religious group advocate, I deserve special language consideration, special religious school consideration, special social privilige, superior intellectual consideration, superior work ethic consideration and deserve to start a business that will make more money by breaking the law than any of you can make by following the law.
10. If you argue against me at all on any of the above, you are obviously a racist, evil, mean, ugly, cruel, unfair homophile and deserve to be punished with riots, civil disobediance, political maneuvering and lies, because I am a racial, ethnic, gender, religious group you don’t agree with.
Whenever I see this, I realize only legal people can remove and prevent “illegal” people from harming EVERYONE except the group they so ignorantly and selfishly argue to protect, while not giving a rat’s butt about anyone else.
I keep trying to tell people, these people do not deserve your time and notice. You CANNOT stoop to their level and be drawn into their agenda and mindset, as they will do everything to point out your anger as “dangerous” and “radical” to every politician who will listen to their claim that they are being harassed and underprivileged, are legal immigrants when they are not, and do not commit “illegal” crimes when they do.
Of course every race, ethnic group, gender and religious group has a wide range of very smart people and very stupid people, but as soon as they can get you to fight them in toe to toe debates pitting their ethnic, racial, gender, religiousl group, against your ethnic, racial, gender, religious group, they have achieved their goal of making you out to be the bad guy and dividing the nation along political supremist lines of race, gender, religion and ethnic group.
When are you ignorant advocates of divisiveness going to learn you can only win this argument if you argue only along “legal” and “illegal” lines and stop calling yourselves by racial, ethnic, reliigious and gender advocacy group names? Nothing but hatred and a divided nation will come out of it. You can only apply the law under the equal protection clause, and be racially, ethnically, gender and religiously blind about it. If the law and lawmakers will not enforce this concept, then they are lying to you and the 14th amendment is worthless. If you don’t stop advocating along ethnic, racial, gender and religious lines, then ALL of us who have been keeping our cool in the spirit of fairness and higher morality must be forced to choose racial, ethnic group, gender, and religious group sides and the MAJORITY will win THAT war. Be careful what you advocate for, because that nation will be very miserable to live in. If you continue to force it beyond “legal” and “illegal” issues, you will get what you ask for but not like what you get. AS a soldier I have seen what kind of world that is. I don’t think (if any of you are smart enough to understand) you will want that kind of lawnessness and vicious conflict in your neighborhood and see what misery it brings to your kids who are innocent of your destructive behavior.
Long post Michael, just to let us know that you are against dialogue and that as long as we agree with you we don’t deserve your attention.
Wrong forum pal!
Dolph,
The data are reviewd by law enforcement only. It is something recent that Virginia decided to do.
Regarding international students staying in the country it is not that easy unless your degree has something to do with science or research. No preferences at all.
SEEYOURPROBLEM,
I replied as you requested.
BTW Hillary Clinton, your claim that people who fight against racial, gender, religious and ethnic group advocacy hate groups are “divisive” and “will destroy the nation” is orders of magnitude less divisive and wrong than your focus on your own gender issues at the expense and degradation of the other gender, and as revealing in its deceit, arrogance, and misunderstanding as your racially, ethnically, gender and religious group aligned voting record! You only have to watch C-Span to know this. Talk out one side of your mouth and vote another. America, these are the politicians that will lead your nation to divisiveness and advocate special interest group priviliges at the expense of the general welfare of the group they didn’t like when they grew up or were trained to be against while in law school. A lot of peole like that are now judges, lawyers and “factionalist” politicians.
I’m never against dialog. I’m against being baited by people who will only think and advocate along ethnic, gender, racial and religious advocacy lines. When people show they can be above that, I’m ready to have all the dialog you want. Would any person be expected to have dialog with an abusive person, just so that person can continue to abuse them? I think not. People have a right to choose debate that is not abusive or offensive. I find debate along racial, gender, ethnic group and religious group lines offensive.
And this is the Right Forum! The more people educated on this forum about racial, ethnic, gender and religius blindness the better (even you). It is a constitutional principle, to do otherwise is not.
Get a load of what Arlington wants. If it were not such an issue it would be down right funny to hear folks talk like the County Administrator does.
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Michael has it right. The pro-illegal side always says we don’t want dialogue! I suppose that is true when that dialogue is ridiculous and promotes separation and balkanization (which is exactly what liberal multiculturalism is all about). Policies should be made for the good of ALL people (not for a group of people based on ethnic centric lines). If you look at National Council of La Raza…look at their statements…it is all about “for the Latino community, etc. etc.”. Why don’t they work towards the good of ALL people (vice just Latino people)? Culture has nothing to do with the needs of ALL people (food, housing, etc.). We all need these things. Therefore, one can only conclude that they (NCLR) are a separatist organization. In fact, Lou Dobbs asked these things of Janet (CEO of NCLR) and she balked (just like Rep. Guiterrez did). That speaks volumes. The American melting pot promotes integration (of all people). Multiculturalism promotes separation along ethic centric lines. This is why we must demand assimilation into the American melting pot. I would question anyone who comes here that is not willing to do this.