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I replied as you requested.

I belong to and identify with (insert special privilege ethnic, racial, gender or religious group here).

I think all of you on this forum who are advocating against my group are totally evil because:

1.You don’t want me to have special priviliges that the rest of you don’t get.
2. You don’t want me to take public funding away from you and spend it only on my special interest group.
3. You don’t want to agree that I have a right to break your laws anytime I feel like it, because you have more than I do, and I deserve what you got because I’m a special (insert ethnic, religious, gender or racial group name)
4. You don’t want me to steal money from your kids and give it to mine
5. You don’t want me to refuse to speak a language you can’t understand.
6. You don’t want me to work for wages that the rest of you could not possibly work for, because I’m willing to break the law, not pay tax, engage in criminal behavior, hire only people of my own race, create civil unrest because I don’t like you and send 1/2 of what I make back to my own country of origin, so it will increase my country’s wealth and family wealth, while decreasing your country’s wealth and decreases your family’s wealth.
7. You don’t want to give my kids who were anchor babies born here the right to claim dual citizenship, and get special tax and tuition treatment because their parents were not born here, but stayed here illegally because of the anchor baby (it would be so cruel to send my baby back home with illegal parents), who had parents who did not pay tax here, came into the country “illegally” and did not pay for any of the educational expenses that my child was given for free while your children got none of this.
8. You don’t like my ethnic street gangs that I view as criminal heroes
9. You won’t listen to my arguments that because I am an ethnic, gender, racial, religious group advocate, I deserve special language consideration, special religious school consideration, special social privilige, superior intellectual consideration, superior work ethic consideration and deserve to start a business that will make more money by breaking the law than any of you can make by following the law.
10. If you argue against me at all on any of the above, you are obviously a racist, evil, mean, ugly, cruel, unfair homophile and deserve to be punished with riots, civil disobediance, political maneuvering and lies, because I am a racial, ethnic, gender, religious group you don’t agree with.

Whenever I see this, I realize only legal people can remove and prevent “illegal” people from harming EVERYONE except the group they so ignorantly and selfishly argue to protect, while not giving a rat’s butt about anyone else.

I keep trying to tell people, these people do not deserve your time and notice. You CANNOT stoop to their level and be drawn into their agenda and mindset, as they will do everything to point out your anger as “dangerous” and “radical” to every politician who will listen to their claim that they are being harassed and underprivileged, are legal immigrants when they are not, and do not commit “illegal” crimes when they do.

Of course every race, ethnic group, gender and religious group has a wide range of very smart people and very stupid people, but as soon as they can get you to fight them in toe to toe debates pitting their ethnic, racial, gender, religiousl group, against your ethnic, racial, gender, religious group, they have achieved their goal of making you out to be the bad guy and dividing the nation along political supremist lines of race, gender, religion and ethnic group.

When are you ignorant advocates of divisiveness going to learn you can only win this argument if you argue only along “legal” and “illegal” lines and stop calling yourselves by racial, ethnic, reliigious and gender advocacy group names? Nothing but hatred and a divided nation will come out of it. You can only apply the law under the equal protection clause, and be racially, ethnically, gender and religiously blind about it. If the law and lawmakers will not enforce this concept, then they are lying to you and the 14th amendment is worthless. If you don’t stop advocating along ethnic, racial, gender and religious lines, then ALL of us who have been keeping our cool in the spirit of fairness and higher morality must be forced to choose racial, ethnic group, gender, and religious group sides and the MAJORITY will win THAT war. Be careful what you advocate for, because that nation will be very miserable to live in. If you continue to force it beyond “legal” and “illegal” issues, you will get what you ask for but not like what you get. AS a soldier I have seen what kind of world that is. I don’t think (if any of you are smart enough to understand) you will want that kind of lawnessness and vicious conflict in your neighborhood and see what misery it brings to your kids who are innocent of your destructive behavior.

Re: the uploading of data for state police inspection

Is this practice relatively new? Is it a result of 9/11 or unchecked immigration?

Is the data checked by anyone other than law enforcement?

Good point about foreign students learning about our culture. Too bad several have put this knowledge to nefarious purposes. Most leave with much more appreciation for the United States.

Is preference given to foreign students who have studied here if they want to become permanent residents?

Thanks.

Sorry to have caused confusion, I did not mean to imply that learning English was in itself a condition of being worthy of attending college. I meant it to be more of a stand alone rather then to be connected to the college part of my post.

I can attend College in France, and not know French very well, or not even at all. Students from America go overseas to attend colleges all of the time. That does not mean they are overly educated about the ways and means of the particular Nation they are attended college in.

It may be a process to enter college, but that is why colleges have employees to help students with registration. High schools have guidance counselors to help students with college paper work, choices, etc.

COM,
I agree that speaking English doesn’t mean assimilation but it is not the only thing you need to get to college. You are assumming that they learned English and that was enoughfor them to get admitted.
I tend to agree with SYP that getting admitted, even if you are here illegally, shows something about learning how to navigate in this culture.
SAT scores are not enough. You need to show that you bring something unique to the institution (You have to show some leadership for example). I think that experiencing high school in this country helps you to learn some of the values that make this country what it is. If an illegal alien was able to beat other applicants for a slot is not OK but it tells you something about the skills they have and what some american kids are lacking. I don’t think they should be admitted just because they are qualified. There is the legality issue right there.
I cannot find data about it and I don’t think it is generated.

Going to college is not an indication of assimilation. Attending College is not unique to America. I can attend College in Mexico, does that mean I am completely assimilated into their Culture? Having a job, or even speaking English is not even an indication of assimilation.

No, I do not believe all illegals are dumb. Nor do I believe all of them are smart.

re: Illegal alien admission to college

I just checked with my brother who is fairly high in the food chain at Indiana University. He said they will not admit them and will not hire them in any capacity. I know that what happens in Indiana has no bearing on what happens in Virginia. However, I would think most colleges would have similar policies.

I need to defend SYP here. She/he was not saying illegal aliens were dumb. She was facetiously making a point about contributors criticizng illegal aliens regardless of what they do.

Moving on to the topic, surely there is data somewhere out there. I don’t just assume something is true because people are talking about it. No one has convinced me that it is even happening.

I see your point about the community colleges. On the other hand, as I recall from picking up a course a couple years ago, you do have to verify residency. I was already in the system so I didn’t have to go back through the layers of personal information.

This issue continues to be a mystery…..