Not every thread here should be considered open season to take on Frank Wolf. Let’s try to stay on-topic here, OK?

Second, I believe Frank Wolf’s record on the illegal alien issue is pretty solid. No, he hasn’t been out front on this, but it’s completely unfair to characterize him as a member of the open borders lobby. He’s not.

His opponent however most certainly is. If you want to help Judy Feder, the nuttiest liberal who has run in this area in recent memory, you’re definitely not going to help on this issue. Replacing Frank Wolf with an amnesty advocate and communist like Judy Feder would be a huge mistake.

When Frank Wolf retires, perhaps we can get John Stirrup in that office, which I think we all agree would be fantastic. I don’t think John Stirrup would primary Frank Wolf. I don’t see a strong reason for it, but when that seat opens up I would be banging on Stirrup’s door every evening begging him to go for Congress until he announced his candidacy. I’d probably have plenty of company.

Until then, find a more suitable whipping boy. This is pretty ridiculous.

Yes, he talks a good game, but it is clear when it comes down to it, he really can’t blame the illegals, and would instead place the blame for their actions on someone else. Passivity or whatever you want to call it comes to mind along with self loathing.

There is no question we do have elected officials who either do nothing about the issue or actively work in favor of illegals. However, Frank is not one of them.

These types attempt to appear as if they are pissed at illegals and want to do something about it, but are more like what you said. These are also the types that use the excuse of the Federal Government not doing their job, and well if the Feds won’t do the job no other level of Government should attempt to do it either. Of course these same folks also bitch and complain when the Government does do their jobs, as in the case of raids on businesses that hire illegals.

It is in fact de factor support of illegals. Using words like focus energy, etc, are just tossed in to further muddy the waters.

Advocator, I addressed Frank Wolf’s history and position on this issue to his office, as I promised, and posted the information on a previous thread, with quotes, which I received in response. That you continually choose to ignore it and berate someone WHO HAS A RECORD on the issue (battling the illegal alien invasion) which goes back MUCH farther than it, in all probability, even appeared on your radar. I’m going to repeat what I found out, for your benefit, and will continue repeating it until you acknowledge that you are dead wrong about Frank! Forgive me (everyone else) for being redundant, but here it is:

“Advocator, you must have missed my comment in one of the threads. I received a response from Frank Wolf to my inquiry regarding his record on the illegal alien issue and, in every case that an issue arose in Congress favoring illegal aliens, Frank has strongly opposed it. Greg has a scanned copy of the letter, and I believe he was going to do a post about it at some time. In the interim, allow me to quote portions of it:

“Amnesty is an insult to all law-abiding immigrants who have been waiting in line patiently and legally for their immigration number to come up. Such an amnesty would only intensify an already significant immigration problem and overwhelm our already overburdened social services and law enforcement systems.”

And he has put his actions where his beliefs are (caps are mine, for emphasis):

“When the House considered major immigration reform legislation in 1986, I VOTED TO STRIKE a provision in the bill to grant amnesty to those who had entered the country illegally. When that amendment failed, I voted AGAINST the House bill that included a legalization provision which subsequently became law. YOU CAN FIND MY COMPLETE VOTING RECORD DATING BACK TO 1997 ON MY WEB SITE AT http://wolf.house.gov.”

And I think he makes his position clear, in summary:

“It is critical that we get control of our borders as the first priority for any immigration reform effort. Please know that I will continue to work toward that goal as immigration policy changes are considered.”

As you can see, Advocator, Frank Wolf is NOT a “Johnny-come-lately” to the fight. He was fighting illegal immigration BEFORE most, if not all, of us were aware it was a big issue. Give him credit for considerably more foresight than his constituents. Now, who is it you want representing us in Congress, particularly on this issue…Frank Wolf or Judy Feder?”

“I exceeded the speed limit on the way to work this morning. That does not make me a criminal.”

Yes it does.

Crime: noun: an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious [like speeding!] to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.

Criminal: noun: One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.

I agree we need to get after the elected officials who do not nothing about this issue. But there are also other folks besides elected officials who support them as well. There are plenty of average Joes out there who see nothing wrong with illegal aliens, they vote for people who do nothing about it, or who are in favor of granting amnesty. There are law enforcement officials who also support illegals. So, that is why I said supporters rather then use just one example of who supports illegals. Or, if you like, de factor support of them.

I posted links to what Wolf has done, and you continue to say he has not done anything. Why do you continue to say he has not done anything? I think it is unfair for you to keep saying he has not done anything.

I can’t speak for Tom Davis, since I was unable to find anything on his webpage that shows his views and or actions on the issue.

Timmy Kaine is another person we need to get after. Senator Webb and Warner as well.

“The most pressing issue is illegal aliens, and those that support them. ”

Agreed 100%. My only reservation is that the phrase, “those who support them” include politicians who do nothing effective about the problem.

We get more of what we tolerate. If we tolerate ineffective politicians, we get more of them. Consequently, I’ll continue to badger, berate, belittle, ridicule, harass, and molest Congressmen Davis and Wolf, whom I believe have done nothing but avoid this issue. Pressuring politicians is what our focus should be.

Even though I pity most of the individual illegals for the circumstances into which they’ve been born, I have no sympathy for them as a group either and will continue to support policies that make this country less inviting to them. The criminals among them need to be dealt with as criminals. We’re in agreement on those points.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. These practices are not only destroying the value of our houses, but are also causing horrible stock market woes.

I sure don’t feel sorry for the financial markets that made their fortunes with ‘creative’ financing but I sure do mind the impact their current failures are having on the stock market.

I guess I see it a different way. These people know what they are doing is wrong, they know there is a right way to do it. Once here they quickly add even more criminal charges to their lists of broken laws.

That is why I have no sympathy for them, and especially now with their actions and lack of respect for our Nation, laws, and traditions.

I don’t feel sorry for people who may have to resort to finding a job by hanging out in a parking lot, they would not have to do that if they had just followed the law. That is on them, and only them.

My background is certainly not silver spoons and inclusive neighborhoods. Far from it in fact.

The most pressing issue is illegal aliens, and those that support them.

I look forward to your reply, and I trust you will follow through with it.

I’m w/ you my friends.

I’m doing what I can do at a local level, using my professional training and the gifts the Good Lord endowed me with to try to effect change. But I just can’t find it in my heart to loathe the individual illegal alien with the same intensity that I sense others do. I live in a neighborhood with them, so my house has lost at least 25% of its value due to their presence; I’ve observed them urinating in the parking lot (incidentally, I have a court date coming up to testify on that subject); I’ve been awakened by their music at all hours of the night; my car has been vandalized for enforcing the HOA’s parking regs (or for the HSM bumper sticker); my lady friends have been leered at and catcalled; my dog has been harassed; and I can probably think of several more reasons to dislike these folks. But when I pass those poor bastards every morning at the Coverstone 7-11, I feel pity for them, not loathing. Call me a bleeding heart, but if you knew me and my background, I don’t think you would. The loathing emotions come when I consider what our elected officials have not done and how they’ve betrayed us on this issue.

As for addressing your analogies, COM, I’ve got to save them for another day and earn my keep for the next few hours.

Let’s agree to get on with working toward a solution to what we all agree is the most pressing problem facing this country. If we can agree to that and stay focused, we can take back our neighborhoods, our County, our Commonwealth, and our Nation.

Out here.

I don’t know if we know each other or not. But, if you do, then you know how I feel about do nothing elected officials regarding this issue.

I asked if we should blame the system for those that murder or molest, since even though those are criminal actions, the system failed to prevent them from happening. You said nothing to that.

I said not all illegals that come here work, so can we blame companies for those. You said nothing to that.

I asked if everyone who makes bad purchasing choices should be let off the hook, you said nothing to that.

I see a lot of unlocked cars, should I open the doors and take stuff, can I be blameless due to the fact there was an incentive for me to do so, since the owner was not smart enough to lock their car? Because that is basically what you are saying about illegals. You said nothing to that.

I provided what Wolf has done regarding illegal immigration, countering that fact you said he has not done a thing other then vote against amnesty in 1986. You said nothing to that.

Self-loathing is a condition that many have that support illegal immigration. They blame America for the issue, and can’t seem to blame illegals for taking action they realize are against the law. Listen to what Nancy Lyle said in her debate with Greg, she blamed American companies moving to Mexico and taking the land of Mexicans as the reason why illegals have to come here. You display the same type of attitude since you blame elected officials, companies etc and make excuses for illegals to come here. That is not name calling.

You are a bit twisted in your banter but…..

You are not off base holding out elected reps responsible. However, they are only one piece of the puzzel. Again, just because you have the ability to do something wrong does not mean that you can and should do it.

I am tired of the “wait for the federal government to take care of it, it is all their fault” song. Honestly do you think for one minute that they are not going to do anything in the near future? PWC does not have the time to wait. Our local and state officials are voted into office too and some of these officials ARE listening to the people that voted them into office.

Sorry for the faulty analogy. I actually plant the lettuce to bait the bunnies so I can dispatch them with my pellet gun. My Doberman loves the meat. OMG, I may have just confessed to a crime, which, incidentally, carries more of a penalty than the first violation of 8 USC 1325. But the chances of getting caught at it are so slim that I think I’ll just keep doing it. I like the hind legs too much, and the hides are soooo soft.

Am I off base for holding our elected reps ultimately responsible for the illegal alien problem? If so, please tell me why. It would be so much easier for me to direct my frustration at the illegals than trying to get politicians to change their behavior.