Steve Keen Digs His Hole Deeper
By Greg L | 12 September 2007 | Prince William County | 52 Comments
Candidate for Woodbridge Supervisor Chris Royse has an interesting post up on his campaign website regarding some of the comments made by his opponents regarding the illegal alien problem.
Last Saturday I had the chance to meet with fellow Woodbridge Supervisor candidate, Steve Keen (I), while we were both on the campaign trail. I asked Steve if it was true that he had told the Chairman of the Board of County Supervisors Corey Stewart that he would not have voted in favor of Supervisor Stirrup’s illegal immigration resolution this past July 10th, Steve stated: “I would not have voted for the resolution introduced by Supervisor John Stirrup.”
But what stunned me the most was his last comment as he leaned in and said: “besides, I want them to keep their Section 8 housing benefits.”
Welfare for illegal aliens. Now that’s a campaign stance that’s certain to gain a lot of support — from people who cannot vote. Steve Keen is definitely in la-la land.
From further down in this post it looks like Frank Principi is working pretty hard to join him there:
Though I’ve not had the chance to speak with Frank Principi (D) in a while, he has continuously claimed in his print and web postings that he will continue, “…to build upon the legacy created by Supervisor Hilda Barg.”
Given comments in the September 11, 2007 edition of the Potomac News by Supervisor Barg on illegal immigration, I find this continued “pledge” by Candidate Principi to be very disturbing. In the article Supervisor Barg claims Chairman Corey Stewart was “out of line” during his recent testimony before Congress where he requested “authority to ‘detain and arrest’ illegal immigrants ‘based solely on an immigration charge’ without an underlying cause.”
While large majorities of voters in Prince William County support the federal government granting localities the power to assist in enforcing immigration laws, Hilda Barg and her devoted legacy-follower Frank Principi are running in the wrong direction. Never mind that that legacy is one of encouraging out-of-control development, shielding illegal aliens from the consequences of their unlawful behavior when possible, and raising the county budget at every opportunity.
This whole week has been rather bizarre.
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So he wants to give section 8 benefits to illegals, that citizens can go without ?
I think its a great strategy for Royse to alienate the Latino community in Woodbridge. Parts of the district are overwhelmingly Hispanic. I don’t see how the electoral math adds up for Royse.
What Royse has to do is tell it how it is. People,citizens are wanting their community back.
They want to do away with the law breakers and there is a system to accomplish that.
Royse has a backbone that many of our other so called political people do not have.
Royse needs to hit hard and he will find there are plenty of voters (legal) that will vote for him.
Woodbridge is a very diverse area but it’s the legal that will vote, Hopefully not the illegal.
Fed up 2,
Only a fraction of the Hispanic community in Woodbridge is illegal.
Denying section 8 housing to illegal immigrants will only further the crime problem of which you are complaining.
I think it is not the ‘legal’ that you hope will vote, but rather the ‘white’.
That’s really a stretch Anonymous…advocating FOR section 8 housing for illegal aliens also endangers benefits for LEGAL Hispanic immigrants/citizens. They have as much to lose as the ‘white,’ or black (whom you seem to forget), voters.
I think I will revive here an analogy posted by someone in the post here regarding the current state of the realestate market, this analogy involved lettuce and some apparently hungry rabbits..the long and short of the analogy was building a fence around your planted lettuce so that the rabbits would no longer steal your crop.
I say the appropriate action (the action taken by the PWCBoS) is to stop planting the lettuce. Its that simple. The rabbits, having nothing to eat, will pick up and see if they can find sustenance elsewhere. Will you be inconvenienced by your current lack of readily available lettuce? Sure…but finding other avenues in which to obtain said lettuce is all too easy.
Take away the incentives, freebies and blind eyes…Viola, no rabbits.
I’m guessing, and most polling corroborates this, that legal Hispanic citizens are sympathetic to illegal immigrants.
It’s unlikely that Royse will be able to attract any African-American voters on this issue of a section 8 housing shortage.
I’m sure everyone here will be willing to have all these illegal immigrants sleeping in their yards and doorsteps when Royse kicks them out of section 8 housing.
As understandably frustrating as this illegal immigration problem is, denying section 8 housing to illegal immigrants is simply bad public policy. Its unintended consequences are not desirable for anyone in Woodbridge - crime, homelessness, etc.
They are far more likely to travel to more fertile sanctuary ground Anonymous…as Manexico Resident suggested. Do you live in Arlington or Maryland perhaps? If that’s the case, I can see why you might be worried.
WOW Anonymous you just don’t get it, denying section 8 housing to illegal immigrants is simply bad public policy? It’s the granting of section 8 housing that attracts illegal’s, as well as health care, education and numerous other benefits they help themselves to. If we don’t make it so inviting to illegal’s maybe they wouldn’t come. But the way things are presently, we’re laying out the red carpet for them. The carpet needs to be rolled up!
Well, Anonymous 2:29……I don’t think they’d find my yard or doorstep a comfortable place to sleep…maybe you have a really BIG yard though, and they can come live with you.
I cannot believe that this issue has risen to such ridiculous levels! I am disgusted with all of the bleeding-heart arguments about how cruel it is to actually consider doing something about illegal immigration.
Kudos to local governments for taking the lead on this. Local residents are the ones directly and immediately affected by illegal immigration and it’s only appropriate that local government step up to the plate and show their constituents that they recognize and understand the problem.
Has this country gotten to the point that it is so dependent on the federal government that we assume that if the feds can’t do it then state and local certainly can’t? Time to wake up, people! State and Federal are going to have to follow localities on this one.
I applaud Mr. Royse on the stance he has taken regarding this issue. He is concerned with illegals from ANYWHERE- not just those from the hispanic community. Before we crucify him for the stance he has taken, perhaps we should educate ourselves on what his stance actually is.
roll the carpet up,
preferably with the illegals in it. And ship the whole thing back to where they came from.
I’m about tired of them. I’ll vote for anyone who can convince me that they will take decisive action to remove these criminals from our area and our country.
I’m just waiting for the day when someone comes along to take out the trash.
Ano -
Only a handful of the immigrants in Woodbridge are illegal??? I dont think your math is adding up, I think Royse’s is just fine. Also, if it is so true how upset the latino community is of whats going on, why do they continue to have NO showing in elections in PWC. Could it JUST possibly be they CANT vote?!?!?!!? And lastly, most legal immigrants feel for illegals? Again, not true, just empty rhetoric. The illegals here in PWC that are outspoken on this issue are trying to use fear and racism arguments because thats all you really have. You sure as heck have no actual arguments to lay out.
I talk to my “legal” ethnic group neighbors all the time. They all agree that “illegal” immigration puts everyone at a disadvantage, financially, politically, and legally. They are having to compete with their unfair practices just like I am, especially in the labor businesses. They are amazed when I tell them that America’s principals are to treat everyone equally regardless of race, ethnic group, gender or religion. Many of them never knew this before and felt they had to align in ethnic groups to fit in. Not true. All they have to do is become willing to abide by US law, and speak a commpon language so we can enjoy each others company in. I have also in the past dated “many” ethnic group women, who have all told me they are far better treated by American’s who treat them with more respect and equality, and real affection rather than a sense of “ownership” and “abuse” that their ethnic group counterparts display towards them. You are seeing a lot of these relationship matches walking around the mall today. I think that says a lot. Personally, I have found ethic group females to be better partners than most of the individuals I have met and dated in my own ethnic group, because my group was taught to HATE, FEAR , CONTROL and DEGRADE people of my gender by their 1980s and 1990s gender hate group advocacies. I don’t have to compete with them and choose not to, and I choose not to be controlled and manipulated by these individuals, just loved and respected for the equally giving and respectful individual that I am. If the “legal” and voting ethnic groups in Woodbridge really understood this, they would vote to get rid of “illegal” groups too, as it will eventually harm their communities economy and take it down with them FASTER, than communities that do not have “illegal” immigrants in them. Look how fast these communities declined when the “illegals” moved it, the evidence is everywhere and these “legal” residents know it.
Royse is the ONLY candidate in Woodbridge that gets it!
As Keen desperately panders for votes with his section 8 babbly, he must have forgotten that Illegals can’t vote! What a knucklehead.
Do you want to see Principi blow a gasket? Tell him you support English as the “official” language.
Chris Royse strongly advocates enforcement of all laws, inlcuding Immigration. Royse is very well rounded. He understands the needs of the business community, and the importance of Economic Development to attract businesses and create jobs.
Chris Royse will protect our AAA bond rating by identifying solutions that will increase county revenue so we can increased teachers salaries, build more schools and libraries, hire more police, attract a 4 star hotel, and make Prince William look and feel like the 7th richest county in the Nation.
Josh,
With regards to the “red carpet”, you forget to mention the part about about burning it. Enough is enough. ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!!
Woodbridge,
Wake up you’ve been asleep and so has your Supervisor for the past twenty years. Get out there, support and vote for Chris Royse. We as a county need him. Supervisors are elected by their district’s, however THEY do represent the entire county and need to act on the behalf of the legal, voting citizens.
Honorable John Stirrup,
Thank you again for the resolution!!!! You have our support over here in West Gate.
I agree,
I’ve only been here for going on 5 years. I’m a military person so I do thrive on a certain amount of order in my life. I’m ashamed to be apart of a community where the supervisor and elected officials pander to criminals. When I research “Hilda Barg” I find nothing good. How is it that this person can continue to get elected? What does she actually “do” other than nothing?
I pay taxes. I want law and order in my community, I want schools were english is spoken as a primary language, I want to go to a hospital and not have to wait in line behind illegals, I want to get a cup of coffee at 7-11 without having to bear the extreme stench of urine from the illegals loitering around there…Is that so much to ask?
I vote for someone who meets objectives that i agree with. So far I’m looking at Tancredo for president and Royse for the supervisor job. The jury’s still out on all the rest.
I will not Raise Taxes. I will not Raise Taxes. I will not Raise Taxes. Answer me this, who raised taxes? GOVERNOR WARNER…
WHO ELSE WILL RAISE TAXES? I SUSPECT JANET OLESZEK BUT SHE WONT TAKE A STANCE SO HOW WILL WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!
JANET I KNOW YOU ARE SEEING MY QUESTION, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON TAXES??????
Josh
I told this story the PWCBOS last week. Went to the 7-11 at Rt. 1 and the PKWY, there was one joker so drunk they tied him to the tree, to keep him from passing out, and attracting more attention. He then got loud, so they taped his mouth shut.
Wow, if that’s how they treat each other in public. Imagine, what they might want to do Americans. 7-11, are almost at a public nuisance level. The heat needs to be put on the busniness that welcome this behavior. Enough, of the cat calling, public urination, public drunkeness, and flocking to each and every vehicle that pulls up. I had 5, of these jokers at my vehicle before I could even take the keys out of the car. Take a camera with you to that 7-11, snap a few pix, and boy they will be yelling and asking hey what are doing? Give me a break, this is still the USA.
It always amazes, how the English will begin to spoken when things aren’t being handed out or if they feel threatened in any way.
Come here legally, and you can work for a decent wage, not live hiding under the radar, and yes even get benefits(health insurance, vacation, a retirement, and live the American dream. If you are here legally assimilation should be no problem.
Labor is commodity just like coffee or donuts - why can’t it be bought and sold at 7-11 as well? If you don’t like the ambiance of 7-11, you don’t have to patronize the store.
VB
Why should I the PW native, or any other legal law abiding citizen have to tip toe around these ILLEGAL ALIENS. If you are a man, I ask you this.. Would you like your wife and/or daughters be treated with such disrespect? Or if you are a female, do like have these jokers staring and saying nasty stuff to you? Think about it!
Because, VB, 7-11 is a store that is open to the public and solicitation is now allowed on the premisis. Why should I as a lawful abiding person have to change MY habits because a bunch of illegal scum hang out where I want to get cofee in the morning or drinks with my kids at night. Why should I be foreced to change my routine because illegals are urinating on the sides of the building or hitting on 14 year old girls. Arrest them, deport them, and on time number 3, lock them up and throw away the key. Heck, take them to Abu Gharab for all I care, just get them out of the U.S.
The store’s manager at Rt.1 and the Parkway allows the crowd to use his parking lot. If he called the police, there would be enforcement. The strip of land they stand on is owned by Stanley Martin Corp and they need to be contacted because they have the littered remains of what those men leave behind. The Church on Longview allows the laborers to use their property to find work, but the men hang out on Martin’s property and the 7-11 because it fronts the road and has access. Lets start contacting the Martin business and the 7-11 to complain and have them clean up the mess left behind.
firstbelegal,
Do you have any contact info for the Martin business. I know the SOP, has been “day laborers” ok until 10am. However, the tree instance was at 1pm in the afternoon. This place is disgusting along with the one on Coverstone. These businesses MUST be held ACCOUNTABLE. They are part of the PROBLEM!
If people here are actually serious about stopping the day labor gathering at 7-11 they would support a viable path to citizenship enabling immigrants to join the legal work force.
Lafayette,
I think you are projecting your own nastiness onto the day laborers.
I have never had a bad experience at 7-11.
If shopping at 7-11 is as terrorizing and horrific experience as is described, utilize your consumer freedom and shop elsewhere.
By denying section 8 housing, incidents of public urination and defecation will only increase. Homeless people still have to go to the bathroom, right?
VB- I couldn’t agree more. We do have a “viable path to citizenship enabling immigrants to join the legal work force”. It’s called IMMIGRATE HERE LEGALLY USING OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM AND STOP BREAKING OUR LAWS !!!!
Why is this so difficult for you to understand? No one has any problem with people immigtating here from anywhere in the world. The problem is when there are folks who think it is fine to illegally cross our border and establish a presence here and then demand the rights and benefits of legal US citizens.
I understand that the situation is not ideal. Ultimately, the gargantuan cost of deporting 10 million illegal aliens is not worth it. CIW - Would you like to raise taxes so we can fund the multi-trillion deportation campaign?
VB - how about you supply your address and we can have all the illegals hang out at your house..they ARE JUST people after all, right? And according to you, NOTHING to worry about.
Virginia Brigand=VB=Virginia Beach=Sanctuary…it all adds up - lol
I think your confused. I’m the one who wants them to stay at the section 8 housing. You are the one who wants them homeless and roaming the neighborhoods looking for shelter and latrine.
VB
If you live in PWC or the two cities, I bet there’s a foreclosed on property near you, and it’s more than likely occupied by squatters.
Do you live in around here?
Maybe that has more to do with Stewart’s war on development which has created a housing shortage and threatened affordable housing in PWC. I thought conservatives weren’t supposed to interfere with the market?
Lafayette, I do not have a contact number for Stanley Martin Corp. I have googled them and have come up with several locations where they are selling homes and I have called but no one will give me a number for the main corporate office - but I am still trying and when I find it, I’m going to call and complain and demand they clean up the area.
I’m going to look into it as well..
as for VB, have you ever considered that not offering section-8 housing to illegals would drive them from the area?
Have you ever gone to that 7-11? Either you have and are blind (and cannot smell) or you are lying. Everyone I know who has been to that 7-11 has had the exact same experiences everyone else has every time.
Just because the management allows these sicko’s to sit around doesnt mean it’s right.
I’m going to head down their today to snap some picks, just for fun
VB
Housing shortage??? Have you had your head in a hole?? The prices have dropped to pre 2004 prices. The glut of foreclosures has dropped prices 35% in some neighborhoods. There is an 18-20 month supply of houses currently on the market. You can actually find townhomes in the high $100s now which was unheard of. Rents have dropped as well as people who can’t sell but have to move have their homes on the market. For all the people who have been griping about affordable housing, it is more affordable today than anytime in the past 3 years.
You must not live in PWC or you would already know all this.
The moratorium on growth was supported by a majority of the supervisors and was proposed by Supervisor Covington NOT Chairman Stewart, although Stewart is considered slow growth.
Get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself again.
firstbelegal and Josh
I’m looking now too.
Management allows and so do the PWPD!
Josh when you go please notice, when they see you and your camera they will scatter like roaches, all while yelling at YOU in pretty good English. They sure knew how to ask me if I work for them. I told them no me guesta ILLEGALS! = I don’t like illegals, and the funny thing is they headed back into the woods.
Did you see my post about the one drunk tied to the tree and mouth taped shut. That was last Friday. I visit the “other end” of PWC every Friday, and I try to make it by that stinkin’ place.
They might even recognize me by now. I usually visit about Noon on Friday’s.
Oh, yes this was the 7-11 @ Rt 1 and Pkwy!!!!
Surprised? I didn’t think so!!!-lol
Godallmighty Warner is an idiot….
No, Warner has correctly analyzed that he can peel of moderate Republicans (sound familiar), who don’t identify with the populist anger over illegal immigration.
This is perhaps Sharon Pandak’s mistake. She thinks she needs to go right on immigration but she really needs to go left.
I just took a stroll by there with my cam…
you were right, as soon as I whipped my camera out to line up a good shot they retreated into the shadows of the woods.
I heard a couple yells but I couldn’t make out what the vagrants were saying. I got a couple looks from the people in the 7-11 too so I split. I really want to get a good shot of them flipping me off or something funny and insert it into a myspace page or something. At least they can be good for some comedy relief.
I’m starting to think that they are allowed on the premises so I figure they accept their place looking like a toilet.
I guess the illegals own it now. I used to stop at Five guys across the street every week or so for a quick bite..but I’ll just go to the one by my house in lakeridge now, it’s more legal friendly.
Josh
I did go take a few shots,
however they were of the illegals retreating into the shadows. I’m still determined to get some good shots. I want to start a website with them with a comedy slant. I’m pretty good with photoshop and could do a really good website.
Josh
Josh
BTW-Did you visit the HELP SAVE MANASSAS BOOTH at the fair?
There was a display covered with pictures, and boy did I have fun taking all but two of those pictures. Heck, that was just scratching the surface.
VB,
Your problem, as is everyone else who supports the same position you do is that you advocate to allow “illegal” aliens to be declared “legal immigrants” and given “amesty for their crimes”. And though you cloak it in abstract words and anecdotal evidence, you believe in your heart that anyone from anywhere should be allowed to come into the US whenever and where ever they feel like. This is like believing in your heart of hearts (poor innocent burgler, rapist and potential murder sympathy) that anyone from anywhere should be legally allowed to open your door to your home, steal their way inside and demand that you allow them to sleep in your bed, eat your food, and declare you have no right to kick them out. Their passionate argument to all they can convince to listen and get agree with them politically is a loud arrogant voice declaring they have been “discrimminated” against because you do not like them, you hate their ethnic, religious, gender or racial group, because after all they are now “legal” residents of your home, just because they figured out how to unlock your door , break and steal your personal possessions, and enter your home without your permission.
You forget that only invited guests are allowed in people’s homes “LEGALLY”
Do you see how stupid and arrogant that argument is to the rest of us, who believe we have a right to call the police and punish people who break into our home without our permission, steal our resources, steal our security and welfare and refuse to leave. Illegal behavior is illegal behavior. We will NEVER give amnesty for that, and we will hunt down all 12 million offenders of this even if it takes 10 years. It is feasible an we will show you non-believers how we are going to do it. Most of the “illegal” peole will give up and go home when they find out they can no longer “break into our home” without being caught by our police and put in jail. This is not ethnic hatred as you want SO MUCH for people to believe, this is a plain and simple right to self-protection under a US Title 8 code (Law!) and “equal protection under the law” 14th amendment basic human individual RIGHT!
I’m sure your willing to foot the bill to “hunt down all 12 million offenders”. I’d rather grant amnesty, fix the border and pay down the debt.
I hope she takes your advice Brigand…that should finish her nicely.
The “bill” becomes a local bill to protect the community. As a national bill it would be too expensive, but if every community and every one of 360 million Americans paid for their own security in their own community, it’s far cheaper than costs of losing $20 billion dollars a year to “illegal” exports of our wealth, and the cost of incarceration. Do the math.
Besides I suspect most people will just leave when the “heat” is hot enough.
BTW Brigand, you must be too young to remember that it was the 1986 amnesty which directly led to the problem with the illegal invasion we are facing today…and they are depending upon the uninformed, and those with their own agenda, to do it again.
Its unlikely that Prince William’s illegal immigrant population will be taking the next flight from Dulles to Juarez because the BOS is pump-faking a crackdown on services for aliens.
I’m not arguing that the situation is desirable. But the cure is worse than the illness. Both federally and locally, the revenue required to orchestrate a systematized and effective deportation of illegal immigrants is simply not available. Fix the border and assimilate those already here. A law enforcement solution simply isn’t practical.
Brigand,
dont you see…the point is to squeeze them out so they go themselves..make things so uncomfortable that they will want to hit the road. That doesnt cost a thing.
Hit them in the pocketbook, make it next to impossible for them to get jobs everywhere and then they’ll leave on their own accord. Once this spreads to each locality there will be no place left for them to go but back to where they came from.
so the ICE Princess say’s that it will cost millions to deport them all, but it’s almost nothing to make them deport themselves.
Creating an economically undesirable environment is considerably different from mass round ups.
Michael, your rhetoric is scary at times.