Just Who Is The Extremist?
By Greg L | 13 September 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 105 Comments
In today’s edition of the Manassas Journal Messenger, former supervisor for Multi-Cultural Education for Prince William County and Manassas City resident Larry Bell has a letter to the editor bemoaning that “small”, “very hostile”, and “extremist” Help Save Manassas is providing direction to John Stirrup and Corey Stewart. Where folks get these ideas is beyond me, but I suspect there’s a bit of selective perception happening here from this president of “Multicultural America, Inc.”
First, let’s take on “small”. Small might describe organizations like Unity In The Community that gets about a dozen people to show up to their monthly meetings. Small might describe the Manassas City Democratic Committee, which has about thirty members. “Small” is hard to apply to Help Save Manassas, which has over 1,700 members and is larger than the combined membership of both Chambers of Commerce in the area. It’s larger than the combined Republican and Democratic Committees of every jurisdiction in the area. If Help Save Manassas is small, black is white. As far as hostile, Help Save Manassas could be characterized as hostile to the notion that we should not enforce our laws, be complacent as we see our communities degrade, or allow illegal aliens convicted of crimes to continue their unlawful presence in our communities. And as far as the “extremist” thing goes, when a GMU study indicates that large majorities of Virginia residents support the legislative agenda of Help Save Manassas. One might wonder here who the “extremist” really is.
Socialist Worker’s Party sign at Mexicans Without Borders Rally in Prince William
Maybe the extremist is Larry Bell, who was an invited speaker at the Mexicans Without Borders rally which encouraged illegal aliens to break the law and refuse to cooperate with law enforcement officials. Participants in that rally included the Socialist Worker’s Party and Zapatista militants. Mexicans Without Borders, with whom Mr. Bell has chosen to associate himself, is a signatory to the political and military agenda of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation, a foreign insurgency group that has engaged in terrorism in the past. The agenda of Mexicans Without Borders in the United States is to obtain amnesty for all illegal aliens, impose socialism and destroy capitalism. So when Larry Bell calls an organization “extremist”, you’ve got to understand where this is coming from.
Stop America signage at Mexicans Without Borders Protest in Prince William
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Multiculturalism promotes separation based along ethnic centric lines which = extremist viewpoint!
Not a day goes by where “intellectuals” fail to point out to us we cannot win in Iraq as we have become embroiled in a quagmire caused by a clash of subcultures. Iraq as we all know is a country of discrete enclaves of differing cultures, more commonly referred to as a multicultural society. The question I have for these “intellectuals” is simply this - If a multicultural society is demonstrably bad for Iraq, why is it also not demonstrably bad for America ? If we allow the establishment of non-assimilated multicultural enclaves here, then this too is our future.
If the love of my country, her citizens, and a concern for my childrens’ future is extermism, by these accounts, yes, I am an extermist.
Hey, at least he didn’t call us racists this time.
Dan you make a great arguement against mainstream Democratic thought. Of course our douchebag President supports the worst of both worlds, he supports ramming multiculturalism down throats in Iraq, and in the US, so long as oil flows and wages diminish and his rich friends keep rolling in higher and higher profit margins.
If George W Bonehead were not President of the United States, this problem wouldn’t have festered and then grown to this point.
Therein lies the paradox, the standard bearer for the Republican party has failed to respect his duties and has placed us in this morally ruidderless situation. All for pursuit of the Hispanic vote.
You missed “hate group”. Love that one!
Hey Rick…I REALLY hope you walk to work and DO NOT own furniture, seeing as how the furniture business BLOWS AWAY the oil companies when it comes to price gouging. What I see of late is a military general making a recommendation, the President of the United State, as Commander in Chief accepting that recommendation, and then some plagerizing Senator saying that the career military officer does not know what he is talking about.
McGovern once said something to the effect of, if he knew how his bills hurt business, he would not have written those bills. We have tried what the Dems want in the past and it is the road to failure. If you like what they have to offer, find the nearest Socialist country of your choice, illegally sneak into that country (it’s ok if done to ours so why not theirs, right???) and then enjoy the paradise of collective thought that you THINK exists but really does not. I highly recommend the book, “An American in Leningrad”…you might learn something.
Dan,
Outstanding post. Besides, for the multiculturalists, only certain cultures are special enough to honor, celebrate and recognize, all others that fall outside of those are not worthy of such praises.
Rick,
I hate to say it but I agree with your analysis of GW. On his watch, the hiring of illegal migrants has become the perfect white collar crime. Why do I say this ? The answer to this question is obvious, those normally opposed to the greed of business and government have let themselves become duped by the false compassion perpetuated by the profiteers.
Those that have traditionally held corporate and government greed in contempt have become the most vocal segment of our society in the defense of hiring illegal migrants. I fail to see any rationale in this. I would have expected them to lead this fight against illegal hiring, but it appears that those that are normally pro-business are the ones screaming that they have crossed the line.
Well ,Well guess who raised their head.Guess he will get active now.Larry Bell is gung ho multiculture and is a companion of Nancy Lyall, Lydia Gonzales and one of the common threads is TEACHERS IN PRINCE WILLIAM or FORMER TEACHERS.
There are a few more out there,know of one at Rippon,where are the rest? Need to push to get Multiculture out or a better control of the one teaching.
Can you imangine what they have been teaching our young adults. Maybe this is why some of them are messed up as the have Teachers craming this crap down their throats.
You know what is simply AMAZING? The American melting pot was established for a reason (it promotes integration amongst ALL people which is equality at its finest). However, children and college kids are now taught that if one does not embrace multiculturalism (which promotes separation based on ethnic centric lines…which is NOT equality) that person is a xenophobe/racist, etc. I simply and logically cannot understand this! So let me get this straight…an ideology (multiculturalism) that promotes divisions (based on race) is okay? I THINK NOT. America was built by people of all ethnicities that need to come together for the good of all. Although we all melt together (we all can share our different foods, music, dress, etc.). When we carry on our public duties, we all speak English and are loyal to our flag and country. What is wrong with this? NOTHING!
John my arguement is not Democrat vs. Republican. It is that George W Bush is a traitor. He has diminished this country.
As to the war, he is so beholden to Saudi interests that he does not have America’s interests foremost. As to the illegal invasion, that’s a deliberate strategy to lower wages in America.
Dan, I completely agree. And it has left me bewildered also. I’ve left the Democratic party over this issue (illegal immigration).
I guess not enough Democrats were in it for the same reason I thought I was - to keep the middle class healthy and to keep the lower class within visible reach of betterment and liveable wages. Because the Democratic party has abandoned lower-class Americans, and pursues divisive race-based politics largely devoid of logic.
At the same time I’ll never vote for a Rudy Guliani or a John McCain, and the thought of either possibly becoming President - 4 more years of lack of leadership and pro-Amnesty propoganda - makes me want to hurl chunks. A large chunk of the GOP, and a majority of its Senators, have no honor in my eyes.
To me the issue of the war in Iraq - which looks to me like a quagmire and a fiasco from Day 1 - is important (because of our troops) but is much less important that what has been and is being done to our way of life by our ruling elites under the guise of Christian charity, with illegal imigration and the diminishing of what America is and was. The idea that our young fight overseas while this nation is sold out from under them makes me sick.
Interesting footnote:
Had an opportunity today to speak with
my postman for a few moments and asked him about
the press the main Manassas P.O. had several weeks ago.
He noted that his street route of mainly
“single family homes” often takes him an hour or
more longer to do than it did five years ago. The
number of homes hadn’t changed a great deal but
the occupants have - with often multiple families
living in the same house - some in a transient fashion
and with little propensity to fill out change of
address cards. Plus when he rings the door bell, often
nobody answers and if they do they don’t speak English
and/or won’t admit to knowing who else lives in the house.
He just wants to deliver the mail to the right place.
His beef is that management is still grading him on
delivery to a typical home route of five years ago and
not receptive to hearing about the new challenges.
Actually, I think we have a new mail man in my neighborhood and now we don’t get our mail until 6:00pm some days. We used to have our mail by NLT 2:30pm.
This Larry Bell is really a piece of work. If the MJM would’ve just printed his last paragraph first I wouldn’t have totally wasted 60 seconds of my life reading his tripe.
“As an African-American male I wonder, when they finish bashing undocumented immigrants what group will they come after next?”
That statement irks me on so many levels. This guy has no business whatsoever having absolutely anything to do with educating children.
Never have I seen such a movement as HSM get a community together to fight for itself. It’s basic civics at it’s finest.
What group will we come after next?!?!?! I say we go after the school system and it’s practice of hiring socialist idiots to teach our children and replacing them with civic minded people that teach responsibility and honor of country and community!!!!
Mailmen are notorious for working slowly on a regular basis so as to create the impression they need overtime to handle their route. (Not to cast aspesion on them all, but this does happen). To a point past absurdity in some cases. Many carriers are unionized, and have little fear of their managers. I worked as a contractor for USPS for 10 years and much of what I did was try to enable their management there to figure out who was screwing them on a regular basis in one way or another - and as soon as a system or tool was invented, the workforce would adapt to it and figure out how to cheat in some other way.
The sad truth is USPS doesn’t even have a handle how much mail they deliver - their measurements are off by as much as 150% - much less how long your carrier should be taking to walk his route.
“He just wants to deliver the mail to the right place.”
That’s the problem. He needs to get with the new Postal Service standard: If it’s got the address on it, it goes in that box, regardless of whose name is on the letter.
I’m still ocassionally getting mail for the people who lived in that house over 6 years ago…and often it’s not junkmail, but things like Christmas cards, etc. I’ve written “NOT AT THIS ADDDRESS, RETURN TO SENDER” on it and on one occasion I actually found the same piece of mail back in my mailbox a day later!
Do I need to write it in Spanish? I think maybe I do?
My letter to the editor:
This is in response to Larry Bell’s September 13th letter to the editor.
My understanding is that you are the former supervisor for Multi-Cultural Education for Prince William County. Given that this is the case, and considering that others holding leadership positions within PWC, Manassas, and Manassas Park school’s align themselves with socialist movements such as Mexicans Without Borders, it should be glaringly obvious why our schools and, as a direct result, our communities are in such dire consequences.
Help Save Manassas is not a “narrowly focused hate group” as you so succinctly put it. Rather, we are a LARGE group of CITIZENS banding together to get our voices heard. As an educator, I’d expect you to understand what exactly civics is. My fear is that is not the case and is probably not the case with many of our educators in this day and age. See, Mr. Bell, Help Save Manassas is civics at it’s finest. We are individuals within the community banding together for the common cause of taking back our neighborhoods and schools from those that have taken advantage of us, politicians, illegal invaders, and educators such as yourself. All stealing our hard-earned tax dollars for their own agendas while we languish in our own apathy. No more Mr. Bell.
We citizens are fed up. We’re fed up with a corrupt political system and its effects on our schools and communities. And to quote yourself:
“As an African-American male I wonder, when they finish bashing undocumented immigrants what group will they come after next?”
Well Mr. Bell, your skin color doesn’t concern us. We fed up citizens of Manassas are made up of many different skin colors. What concerns us is what business you and others promoting lawlessness and community decay have educating our children. What group will we “bash” next? I pray it is those that have corrupted our school system.
A very good letter.
An excellent letter, please write more to the MJM editorial.
Mando -
GREAT letter!
Mando,
Bravo!
Think they’ll print it?
I think the letter is on point; however some blogs here do fit the description of hostile and extremist and BVBL is considered part of HSM. Might be worth keeping in mind if you are a regular and tout your HSM membership….. Generalizations will kill you along with the nasty stuff that is attached with some of them. It does give the wrong impression sometimes.. maybe lots of times.
More people access BVBL than attend HSM meetings so the perception of the two are blended and BVBL more than likely overrides….
Just a thought.
My two cents on multi-culturalism.
Ask yourself what the “real” goal of multiculturalism is. Who invented the concept of “diversity”? Who invented the concept of “inclusion”? Who invented the concept of bi-cultural, multi-cultural, bi-lingual, multi-lingual political groups of ethnically and racially divided people?
Ans: People of ethnic, racial, gender, and religious group alignment, when they lost the Supreme Court battle(s) to go way beyond “equal opportunity” and force society by laws and policies to accept a concept of, “mandated equal outcomes”, “racial balancing”, “school busing”, etc, etc. that failed at every supreme court test.
These concepts fail because people who “illegally” align themselves along these ethnic, racial, gender and religious hate groups, want everyone to believe that “equal outcomes” and racial, ethnic, gender and religious “balancing” must be made into a “legal” concept to control and guarantee by law, their “group” gets privilege REGARDLESS of the individuals skill, merit, IQ, knowledge, ability, talent, or individual personality.
If you can guarantee multi-cultural diversity forced on everyone, you can guarantee 1 of each 1000’s of races, genders, religious, ethnic (whatever, racial, gender, ethnic or religious group member you can come up with as a protected class) gets a special privilege and advantage over the rest of the people who are in “non-protected classes” without earning it as an “individual” through NON Ethnic, Racial, Gender, Religious Group means.
You see America, “individuals” and “individual rights” are “colorblind”
You can’t put an ethnic, racial, gender or religious group name on it. You can’t guarantee racial balancing and equal outcomes, because the “outcome” after given an “equal opportunity” is DETERMINED by the skills, merit, IQ, DNA, knowledge, ability, talent and individual personality of the individual and CANNOT be controlled by law. That is the Supreme Court Ruling. Most of you never get this. Multi-cultural promoters don’t want you to think about “individuals” as it prevents them from gaining an unfair upper hand.
They are still trying desperately to get around the law, by renaming the concept every few years. Today it’s called “diversity”, “multi-culturalism”, and “inclusion”. The facts are our laws only recognize the rights of “individuals” The rights of groups aligned along racial, ethnic, gender, religious multi-cultural, multi-lingual, separatist, devisive political lines just so they can have special treatment and unfair advantages giving them “special privileges” is “illegal”. The unity of the Nation depends on our ability to stop this ignorant, arrogant, and belligerent line of “social” group reasoning
anon -
“however some blogs here do fit the description of hostile and extremist and BVBL is considered part of HSM. Might be worth keeping in mind if you are a regular and tout your HSM membership”
With due respect, that’s “guilt by association” - a classic logical fallacy.
I didn’t know BVBL was a part of HSM, and I’m a member of both!
Again, with due respect, “Hostile” and “extreme” are tossed around so much in political and social discourse that they have lost all meaning. I haven’t seen any of that here (given my definition of the terms) but if I have it has been from both sides.
How come none of our friendly sympathizers address comments like I made earlier?
“You know what is simply AMAZING? The American melting pot was established for a reason (it promotes integration amongst ALL people which is equality at its finest). However, children and college kids are now taught that if one does not embrace multiculturalism (which promotes separation based on ethnic centric lines…which is NOT equality) that person is a xenophobe/racist, etc. I simply and logically cannot understand this! So let me get this straight…an ideology (multiculturalism) that promotes divisions (based on race) is okay? I THINK NOT. America was built by people of all ethnicities that need to come together for the good of all. Although we all melt together (we all can share our different foods, music, dress, etc.). When we carry on our public duties, we all speak English and are loyal to our flag and country. What is wrong with this? NOTHING!”
Let’s see… Bell used ‘hostile’, ‘extremist’, ‘ethnic-cleansing’ and ‘hate group’. And chose to use ‘undocumented immigrant’ instead of ‘illegal alien’.
Right out of the moonbat playbook.
[Oops sorry - that was hostile and extreme. My bad :]
es_la_ley
Guilt by association runs pretty rampant here on BVBL. Just not acceptable when used against us, I guess!!
Not to think that the majority of visitors think of HSM/BVBL as one is a bit naive and I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
I didn’t mention sides - little reactionary!!!
Just a caution to take a step back now and then.
http://www.vdare.com/awall/gutierrez.htm
““Gutierrez said people from Mexico, Central and South America are not immigrating to the United States. They are simply migrating because this land had been theirs…Hispanics should never put up with others telling them to go back where they came from” [Hispanics will help build future of U.S., April 18th, 2004] [email Diuguid]”
Another quote from Guterrez in the article above!
“We are the future of America. Unlike any prior generation, we now have the critical mass. We’re going to Latinize this country.”
http://libraries.uta.edu/tejanovoices/gutierrez.asp
A little background on Gutierrez. Wow, just wow! Now when you put what he says and all the signs around the country at the protests, etc. You get the picture.
http://www.vdare.com/awall/mexican_reconquistas.htm
And another article on Gutierrez! Read the quotes, etc.
http://www.vdare.com/francis/new_year_02.htm
A related article. Read these!
anon:
“Guilt by association runs pretty rampant here on BVBL. Just not acceptable when used against us, I guess!!”
Wasn’t attacking you. Just pointing out a fallacy I SAW. There may have been a lot that I missed.
“Not to think that the majority of visitors think of HSM/BVBL as one is a bit naive”
I can understand that. And I won’t attempt to clarify the difference between BVBL and HSM. I’ll defer to those that can clarify, if they so desire.
“I didn’t mention sides - little reactionary!!!”
How so? All I said/meant was that if I saw anything here that could be considered as hostile or extreme comes from both sides (left and right).
You know the more I see of the things Patriot is posting, the more I get it.
Gutierrez, in any other country but here would be a Ben Ladin.
The ATZLAN movement, and the screaming people supporting it, I’m prety sure has its history wrong, 40,000 years ago Aborigines occupied their land, there were no North American Indians from which the AZTEC and INCAS came from, until 10,000 years ago. They moved South, not North! They were at first Egyptian, then Central Asian, then East Asian, then Alaskan, then Canadian, then Navajo, Pueblo (many others), and then Aztec, Mayan and then INCA. So technically ATZLAN belongs to the North American Indians before it ever belonged to the Metizmo’s (sic).
What is even more interesting is that Since I am 1/16 Cherokee, and my ancestors came from the same regions eastward, ATZLAN belongs to my ancestors and ME.
They also forget that the Spaniards and Europeans (Germans, etc) also invaded their land and more of them are decended from them, than AZTECs, Mayans, and Incas, because these native populations were decimated by smallpox (I think only some 3% survived)
The real issue is it belongs to the US today, no matter which way you try to twist your ancestry and lay some kind of Hate Group superiority claim to it.
I’m telling you people, those who advocate along these racial lines are very dangerous and will do anything to harm us at the first opportunity if we don’t do something about it.
Patriot I’m trying to respond to your post.
These multi-cultural concepts fail because people who “illegally” align themselves along these ethnic, racial, gender and religious hate groups, want everyone to believe that “equal outcomes” and racial, ethnic, gender and religious “balancing” must be made into a “legal” concept to control and guarantee by law, their “group” gets privilege REGARDLESS of the individuals skill, merit, IQ, knowledge, ability, talent, or individual personality.
If you can guarantee multi-cultural diversity forced on everyone, you can guarantee 1 of each 1000’s of races, genders, religious, ethnic (whatever, racial, gender, ethnic or religious group member you can come up with as a protected class) gets a special privilege and advantage over the rest of the people who are in “non-protected classes” without earning it as an “individual” through NON Ethnic, Racial, Gender, Religious Group means.
You see America, “individuals” and “individual rights” are “colorblind”
You can’t put an ethnic, racial, gender or religious group name on it. You can’t guarantee racial balancing and equal outcomes, because the “outcome” after given an “equal opportunity” is DETERMINED by the skills, merit, IQ, DNA, knowledge, ability, talent and individual personality of the individual and CANNOT be controlled by law. That is the Supreme Court Ruling. Most of you never get this. Multi-cultural promoters don’t want you to think about “individuals” as it prevents them from gaining an unfair upper hand.
They are still trying desperately to get around the law, by renaming the concept every few years. Today it’s called “diversity”, “multi-culturalism”, and “inclusion”. The facts are our laws only recognize the rights of “individuals” The rights of groups aligned along racial, ethnic, gender, religious multi-cultural, multi-lingual, separatist, devisive political lines just so they can have special treatment and unfair advantages giving them “special privileges” is “illegal”. The unity of the Nation depends on our ability to stop this ignorant, arrogant, and belligerent line of “social” group reasoning
Patriot, in reply to your post
These multi-cultural concepts fail because people who “illegally” align themselves along these ethnic, racial, gender and religious hate groups, want everyone to believe that “equal outcomes” and racial, ethnic, gender and religious “balancing” must be made into a “legal” concept to control and guarantee by law, their “group” gets privilege REGARDLESS of the individuals skill, merit, IQ, knowledge, ability, talent, or individual personality.
You see America, “individuals” and “individual rights” are “colorblind”
You can’t put an ethnic, racial, gender or religious group name on it. You can’t guarantee racial balancing and equal outcomes, because the “outcome” after given an “equal opportunity” is DETERMINED by the skills, merit, IQ, DNA, knowledge, ability, talent and individual personality of the individual and CANNOT be controlled by law. That is the Supreme Court Ruling. Most of you never get this. Multi-cultural promoters don’t want you to think about “individuals” as it prevents them from gaining an unfair upper hand.
anon -
You make a very good point. I do associate the stuff I hear here at BVBL with HSM and it is main reason why I haven’t sought membership. I don’t attribute what gets said to Greg or any of the leadership of HSM. Greg and Maureen really do represent HSM well and go out of their way to distance BVBL from HSM. I think it is impossible. Knowing some of the people who say some of the really rude stuff about the illegal immigration debacle or Latinos on BVBL are members of HSM - I am uncomfortable standing with people like that, even if I agree that something needs to be done to address the issues in my community.
Other terms you hear to mean multi-cultural “balancing” are “diversity” and “inclusion”, again a concept that has nothing to do with any of the above traits of “individuals”
Anon,
How do you know who is making the comments? For all we know they could very well be illegal alien supporters who are just trying to stir the pot.
There are a lot of “anons” on this board including you.
Sorry forgot to add, exactly what has been posted on here that has been so mean spirited anyway? Yes, there is bashing of illegals, and because of people who support illegals love to play the race game, they attempt to say it really is not illegal alien bashing but instead hispanic bashing. So, tell me first off, why the supporters of illegal aliens complain the whole issue is nothing more then hispanic bashing. Two, point out exactly what has been said on this blog that is so insulting.
I think it is completely insulting, for example, when posters say that they can tell that a Latino is illegal just by looking at them. How? Because they don’t speak English? Do they have an aura? I think comments like that slip this issue into one of race and diminish arguments of legality.
My sister-in-law is a legal immigrant to this country, through her marriage to my stepbrother. She is still learning English. She just recently got the right to work legally in this country. You should hear some of crap she gets in Kansas. Employers won’t give her a job because they think her papers are false when they are legit. They call her wetback or FOB, not having any idea where she is from or how she got here. Their wedding was delayed for six months so she could come over and do it right, but not a single member of her family could secure a visa in time to attend.
People assume she is illegal too, until my stepbrother introduces her as his wife. She is why I feel so strongly about legal immigration - she and my stepbrother have suffered for playing by the rules. She is also why I won’t join HSM. I am embarrassed and angered that the issue suffers for people everywhere who say they can tell someone is illegal on sight. Like it or not, on a very basic level, that’s racist. And it has been said in the comments of this blog more than once.
As far as being “anon,” something tells me your drivers license doesn’t say “manassas, citizen of” on the line for name.
Anon,
Don’t blame us. Look at the media coverage of the illegal immigration issue. Do they ever focus on anyone but hispanics? So you only have your fellow liberals to blame for sterotyping the typical illegal as an hispanic. I’m smart enough to realize illegals are not just all hispanics.
Pick a name and stick with it, otherwise who knows how many “anons’ you really are. It smacks of drive by.
I think enough folks on the blog know who I am, and I have always used this name on this blog and on my own blog.
COM
Why are you calling me a liberal. Because I speak up?
Please do the following:
1. Call the Senate switchboard at: 202-224-3121
2. Ask for your Senator. You can find the names of your Senators and all their contact info at: www.informedvoter.info
3. Tell the person who answers that you are calling to ask the Senator to vote NO next week on three measures that are being considered for the Defense Authorization bill.
a. Vote NO on Amendment 2237 that would attach the Dream Act Amnesty.
b. Vote NO on any measure to increase H-1B visas and permanent greencards for foreign workers to take jobs from skilled American workers and students.
c. Vote NO on any attempt to increase H-2B visas for seasonal foreign workers to take jobs from America’s most vulnerable workers.
4. Call Senators’ district offices and tell them the same thing.
5. Visit www.numbersusa.com to obtain more information and take advantage of their free fax service. Fax your Senators and tell them NO AMNESTY, NO DREAM ACT AMENDMENT and SECURE THE BORDERS NOW!
Anonymous 6:31 am….I don’t recall anyone claiming that they “…can tell that a Latino is illegal just by looking at them.”
Further, I don’t recall anyone claiming that ALL Americans are kind, just, fair and sensitive to the feelings of others. We do live in a diverse society and while neither you nor I condone racism or bigotry, an individual’s preference of one race over another is not an illegal act or an illegal thought — at least, not yet!
On the other hand, time and time again, people on this blog and “Help Save Manassas” have clearly stated the problem is NOT with those who enter this country legally, but with those who violate our laws and come here illegally.
It seems to me that your sister-in-law should feel the same — and in fact support “Help Save Manasas” and government officials in their efforts to ensure that ALL US residents are here legally, as she is.
I, the liberal, did that several weeks ago. In fact, the video on NumbersUSA is extremely compelling and frightening. That covers legal immigration. I recommend it to all.
JL - thanks for the info -
anon,
Because anyone who would blame HSM or would not join HSM based on talking points from liberal groups must be a liberal.
Freedom has it right! If she came here legally…she should be one of the loudest people speaking against illegals! I wonder why many don’t do this….hmm…maybe supporters of it? One must question that!
manassascityresident - you are welcome
The Patriot,
That is a very interesting point your bring up. Many legal immigrants and even Citizens have friends and or family who are illegals. They don’t want to say anything or are open supporters of illegals.
There is a great web page called “you don’t speak for me” I suggest everyone google it and check it out.
Last week I saw a sign for the Multi-Culture Ministry on Old Bridge Road. Well, with all this Multi-Culture stuff. I’d like to know where has the American Culture gone? I know we are a young nation, however this is the United States of America afterall.
Oh, and English is the language spoken here too!!
JL
Thanks for the Senate info. I’ve already forwarded numbers USA to all.
Citizen, the same applies to the Muslims! Why didn’t we hear a big outcry from the local Muslims when 9/11 happened? One must question that too!
Yes, “You Don’t Speak for Me” is an organization that shows assimilated legal citizens doing the right thing….standing up for America! Wonder why there roster is so small….again….one must question the motivations of those who are not willing to join in their message of legally coming here.
Patriot,
I’m sure there were many muslims that spoke out against the act. There was also a few openly in support of the attack, namely in New Jersey.
I can’t recall the name of the organization, maybe American Muslim Council or something like that. They are a counter to groups like Cair, who never seem to be as much fight into condemning muslim terrorism as they do into what they consider muslim bashing.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece
I think this speaks volumes on the Muslim issue!
Citizen….do you not know that the koran allows muslims to lie to non-believers of islam? Why do you suppose that is?
Patriot,
No, I did not know that. It seems it is hard to find a competent and accurate translations of the Koran.
Anon, I sympathize with you and your sister-in-law, but you are wrong about the greatest majority of HSM members as well as those who are battling the illegal alien situation in general. I know for a fact that Greg, as Chairman of the organization, has appealed to the LEGAL immigrant community to join HSM and add their voices to the appeal that government enforce the laws and protect the legal residents of this country. I, myself, am a Naturalized Citizen of this country who originally came here the right way, with my immigrant parents.
I follow this blog, and this issue, daily and I can tell you that the majority of assumptions that all illegal aliens in question are Hispanics come from those on the other side of the issue. THEY are the ones attempting to turn this into an issue of race rather than an issue of law, which it is. Have you, perhaps, considered that the obvious prejudice which your sister-in-law is encountering is due to the fact that it is extremist Hispanic organizations, most of whom are illegal aliens themselves, demanding special rights and privileges for illegal aliens that have focused the issue upon that one segment (Hispanic) of the population? Have you considered that a great deal of the problem associated with the inordinate difficulty in coming to this country legally is, in fact, partly due to the enormous numbers of illegal aliens in this country (it’s not very practical to increase the quotas or relax the requirements when our borders are so porous that we already have what amounts to an invasion on our hands)? Have you also considered that another source of difficulty for people wishing to immigrate legally to the United States is the notorious government corruption of those countries which they are fleeing (cheaper to pay a Coyote than the bribes)?
Most of us are not blind to this, but it is also a reason that people such as yourself, and particularly your sister-in-law, should be joining the law-abiding citizens and other legal residents who have taken on this issue…and this fight. Your input is not only needed, it is desired!
And by the way…I have NEVER posted anonymously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&mode=related&search=
Citizen…I hope this helps to put the picture together!
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Stages-of-Islamization.htm
The stages of islam in a non-islam country. I would say we are in the later portion of stage 2.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Fjordman/Why-Cannot-Rely-on-Moderate-Muslims.htm
Reference is made from a guy in Northern VA!
“”The northern Virginia-based Muslim Students’ Association (MSA) might easily be taken for a benign student religious group. At a meeting in Queensborough Community College in New York in March 2003, a guest speaker named Faheed declared, “We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don’t lobby Congress or protest because we don’t recognize Congress. The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it … Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah.””
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Taqiyya-Deception-Islam.htm
This article discusses the “deception tactics”. If you piece this together with the articles I posted above and the video…the picture becomes very clear!
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicterrorism.shtml
Item #5 highlights lying is okay for Muslims. Read all the other items too. Very informative and adds to the complete picture.
Patriot, don’t you get tired of writing the same garbage and posting the same websites. Many people has debated against Don’t Speak for Me before. You never responded to the fact that they just list testimonials and the membership is just the three people who wrote the testimonials.
AWCheney,
Don’t blame the victim. Now this woman should pay for what other Hispanics do. Blacks should be discriminated for what Jesse Jackson promotes?
In your case coming back from Germany (unless you were one of thos turkish/germans) didn’t give you the brown skin that right away awakes racism.
I read this blog often and some of you have said that they can spot an illegal alien easily. Patriot you are one of them.
I am not surprise that people reading Patriot don’t want to join HSM. What is the problem with muslims? I know the answer: they don’t want to assimilate in the melting pot that you have accredited (Only English, Christians only, dress like you, etc).
Anon…You don’t speak for me appears to be a small group (who really knows how many members there are). The question must be asked…why don’t more legal hispanics/latinos join and embrace their anti-illegal immigration message? Maybe those that don’t join support illegal immigration? The facts about Muslims are very clear via the sources I provided (to include the video). What is not clear about those items?
Anon…I have read this blog too. No, I cannot spot an illegal alien because they come in all forms. Now what is interesting is that some of you liberals stated that you can spot a “red neck”? How would that be possible?
Anon…for your reference:
““dolph said on 13 Sep 2007 at 4:48 pm:
Anonymous 3:30 post
The English probably wasn’t ‘good’ English but a bastardization of the king’s English. Otherwise, I agree, rednecks are fairly easy to spot.”
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html
Another article on islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUoxbR9mwA&mode=related&search=
More islam footage.
Patriot,
I have read one of you posts in which you said clearly that you can spot an illegal aliens from miles.
Your post confirms that you are a redneck apologists who uses the word liberal whenever you are in trouble.
I have read many times how people present you valid arguments and then you just resort to hide or post about a differnt topic.
People who come to debate her bring new arguments and reactions to your posts. You keep bringing the same URL’s with the hope that thius time someone won’t catch you.
People who read this blog knows what you do: talk about the melting pot and then you bash muslims or latinos.
I forgot for all of you members of HSM, you should have a new website call You Don’t Speak for Me Patriot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs
This is footage from London!
“SEEYOURPROBLEM said on 14 Sep 2007 at 1:44 pm:
Patriot,
I have read one of you posts in which you said clearly that you can spot an illegal aliens from miles.”
I would like you to provide that specific quote. I will be waiting!
SEE, I am not bashing anyone. I am merely providing information from public sources! Where have I name-called anyone? Please site specific quotes!
SEE, just out of curiosity, what would you say to the leader of You Don’t Speak for Me and his efforts?
Yes, I do talk about the melting pot because it promotes integration of ALL people!
SEE, what does a “redneck” look like? How would I identify one?
Let’s see who finds this funny
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=snl+point+counter+point
Patriot -
Keep up the good work! Thanks for all of the great info!
It’s the annoymous’ of the world that want to keep their head in the sand and just pretend that the world is a lovely place and we’re all just brothers and sisters in arms. Well, that just isn’t the case as witnessed in the articles and videos posted here by The Patriot!
Lafayette: You are welcome
“Don’t blame the victim. Now this woman should pay for what other Hispanics do. Blacks should be discriminated for what Jesse Jackson promotes?”
Anonymous, how the devil you got THAT out of what I wrote is beyond me! The most frustrating thing about blogs is the large number of reading comprehension challenged people you often run into. Why don’t you read what I posted again, Anonymous, and let us all in on that portion of it which suggests what I just quoted from you?!
Park’d is the one person I can cite as having said that he can “tell”. Its been said by others, but it is his comment that I remember. He said in one post that he counted something like 70 on the street in Manassas Park. What did he do, card them? I will gladly look up the post later, if you would like.
Oh, and my sister-in-law isn’t even Latina. She is a Filipinia and gets anti-Latino bias all the time.
So what?! Who gives a crap about someone who says he can ’spot’ an illegal. Get over it!!! Just like the rednecks have gotten over how easy it is to ’spot’ a redneck!!!
How many negative things can anyone of us dredge up?
Actually, several months back, maybe as long as a year ago, there was a front page article in the MJM about a retired border patrol agent or maybe he was in charge of the border patrol living in Manassas that says HE can tell an illegal alien by looking at their shoes.
Speaking of Park’d where did he go(or maybe it is where did she go)?
I am still awaiting for SEE to provide the quotes to me!
How do you spot a bygone?
The Patriot said on 14 Sep 2007 at 4:56 pm:
I am still awaiting for SEE to provide the quotes to me!
Patriot -
Don’t hold your breath…..
Patriot,
Ya, don’t hold your breath. It is funny how the pro illegal folks come on board ready to duke it out. However, once their silly little defenses get shot down right quick, they scamper away or just outright ignore the questions and facts presented by those that do not support illegals.
I have been waiting for sometime on a few questions that should be easy enough to answer, but……
I’m also still waiting for Anonymous to quote the portion of my comment that he managed to so thoroughly twist. I’m not holding my breath either.
Patriot:
“what does a “redneck” look like?”
Me! Because I are one!
Actually, I prefer hillbilly.
[shame we can’t post pics. :]
I found the comment and I will admit it isn’t as I remember it.
“park’d said on 7 Aug 2007 at 7:15 am:
Of course nobody shows up in MP to discuss illegal immigration since from what my rough estimates have been able to determine put this town’s population at roughly 80% Hispanic; a majority of those no doubt being illegal. When I can stand on a corner of the town and count the first one hundred people that I see and come up with 79 of them being Hispanic then it’s no wonder why there is no citizen time over this issue. The people in this town like it JUST the way it is and the rest of us are powerless to do anything. Without the help of a big organization like HSM then there is nothing that a few fed-up leftover CITIZENS of MP can do.”
I still think it is wrong to say “a majority of those no doubt being illegal.” How does he know? I can see how I remembered it the way I did (especially since I actively dislike Park’d), but it wasn’t how it was written. I apologize.
And I wasn’t the one who called out Patriot, so I didn’t even go looking there. That’s SeeYourProblems’ responsibility, though the search function on this blog sucks, so be prepared to commit a great deal of time to the endeavor.
And lay off rednecks for Heaven’s Sake - I think that Gretchen Wilson song was written about my sister. Rednecks have feelings too…
Anon, what group of people since 1986 have predominantly made up the illegal population in our country?
See, I’d have been dead if I held my breath.
AW,
No wonder your name is in blue….. breath, my friend.
Yeah COM, what’s with that? I thought it was because I have a profile…that’s what it used to be linked to. But when I place my cursor there, it shows some web page which won’t let me access, and which I don’t have. OH GREG…calling on Greg…
AWCheney: […] But when I place my cursor there, it shows some web page which won’t let me access, and which I don’t have.
Yea, it links to http://n/a
Yeah Ms. Cheney, if you were waiting for me to apologize to you, you would be turning blue. The anonymous poster that insulted you didn’t know how to spell. Take a close look. He is anomymous. Guess he hasn’t figured out that if you leave “name” blank that it just fills in for you after you submit. No need to misspell.
My comment was in response to a specific comment. If you take exception to that, perhaps you should post as yourself as I do…or pick something other than “Anonymous!”
By the way, I was not insulted by the remark, or fishing for an apology (I’d have said so if I were), I was fishing for clarification. Frankly, Anonymous, I believe that the other “anomymous” is actually TH…she is one of those “reading comprehension challenged” persons to whom I referred. But I still think that you need to pick yourself a handle…and I was still not addressing a “person,” but addressing a comment (which I quoted, btw…geesh!).