Yeah, I think I remember the flap in 2000 about Hillary’s American Muslim Society contributions.”"”"

Hillary and George W Bush both returned their Alamoudi contributions in August 2000. Moran on the other hand accepted a second Alamoudi contribution in January 2001 and Moran didn’t give his Alamoudi money back until March 2002.

Therefore Moran is worse than Hillary.

“”"First, her campaign tgried to disguise them as American MUSEUM Council. She only returned the money when she got caught.”"”

Caught doing what? Did the American Muslim Council ever give Hillary money? When? Alamoudi gave money personally. I wasn’t aware of the AMC giving Hill money, althought if you say so it might have happened.

“”"You should be aware that Hillary met in the White House with lawyers for the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.”"”

Gill was a lobbyist for the imprisoned Al Qaeda money launderer Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council in 2001. That is worse.

Faisal Gill and Jim Moran are both far worse than Hillary. Don’t vote for Hill if you don’t like her. I probably won’t.

“”"She also has a track record of funneling “charity” money to Hamas front groups back in the 1980s.”"”

This sounds far-fetched.

“”"She is well-remembered for huggin Yassir Arafat’s wife after the latter made a speech accusing the Israelis of poisoning wells.”"”

Essentially true, as I recall. Suha Tawil Arafat is such a low-life crook that even supporters of the Palestinians hate her too. She has millions. Where did she get her fortune? She didn’t earn it, and neither did her late husband.

“”"Her foreign policy think tank is a George Soros-funded organization.”"”

Probably bad, if true, but not as bad as Moran and Gill.

“Soros, though nominally Jewish, is so bad that he makes Jim Moran look pro-Israeli!”

Soros hates Bush, I didn’t know that Soros did or did not dislike Israel. I know that he has about $75 million invested in Israeli companies. He said that he doesn’t give money to Israeli charities because some countries are for charity and some are for investing.

Soros’s $75 mill probably does more for Israel invested than it would as charity. I was not aware at all that Soros was hostile towards Israel. I know he hates Bush II a lot.

“”"So is Hillary still so acceptable to you?”"”

She’s acceptable, but so is everyone else running in both parties except for the minor candidates Kucinich (D), Gravel (D) and Paul (R). She is not my favorite.

Yeah, I think I remember the flap in 2000 about Hillary’s American Muslim Society contributions. First, her campaign tgried to disguise them as American MUSEUM Council. She only returned the money when she got caught.

You should be aware that Hillary met in the White House with lawyers for the 1993 World Trade Center bombers. She also has a track record of funneling “charity” money to Hamas front groups back in the 1980s. She is well-remembered for huggin Yassir Arafat’s wife after the latter made a speech accusing the Israelis of poisoning wells. Her foreign policy think tank is a George Soros-funded organization. Soros, though nominally Jewish, is so bad that he makes Jim Moran look pro-Israeli!

So is Hillary still so acceptable to you?

GSTH and others,

Look, let’s be somewhat constructive here — a lot of Jew-haters don’t admit it in public, right? So think about what criteria you would use to tell the difference between criticism of Israel and a Jew-hater’s use of such tactics to hide behind prejudice. Let me give you a hint: It’s called using falsehoods and double-standards.

Lysander,

Thanks for your comments. You are right — Jim Moran would have to invent AIPAC if it didn’t exist. In a way he has, because the AIPAC image he tries to portray is a false one.

Greg,

I must thank you for inspiring me to post on this subject as well.

Moran secretly loves AIPAC - it gives him a way to issue comments against Jews, without having to specifically raili against Jews. ‘Oh, I was just referring to AIPAC’ is his cover - so long as you ignore the wink and the nudge he’s giving at the same time.

I’ve wanted to Republicans here - or even the Democrats - to run a serious challenger to Moran. I’d much rather be across the line in District 11.

“How is criticizing AIPAC anti-semitic?”
In and of itself, no, a critique is not necessarily anti-Semitic. However, where someone who *is* an anti-Semite makes the same remark, then the chances are astronomical it is an attack instead of honest criticism.

Yes, there is under influence of the imprisoned terrorist (and former Gill client/boss) Abdurahman Alamoudi, former Gill boss Khaled Saffuri, current Gill and Gallinger partner Asim “You Should Rule According To Islam, Otherwise You Are A Kaffir” Ghafoor, Faisal Gill and others.

That is what those of us who oppose Faisal and support Paul Nichols are trying to reduce, the undesirable undue influence of Gill and his colleagues.

Faisal is not a moderate, but rather, an employee of extremists like the convicted terrorist Abdurahman Alamoudi. In 2001 Faisal stormed out of the White House to protest that the 20-year-old son of the convicted terrorist Sami Al-Arian had been asked to leave a White House meeting.

cf. “American Muslims Walk Out Of The White House,” http://www.islamonline.net/english/news/2001-06/29/article2.shtml

“”"and Jim Moran,”"”

Jim Moran is not a Moslem at all, and so by definition is not a moderate Moslem either.

“”"then doesn’t he [sic] attack those who he claims are in the same category of himself [sic].”"”

I wonder whether the author of the above is sometime Gill and Gallinger attorney Jad Sarsour. It has the same incorrect use of prepositions as appeared in Sarsour’s letter to BVBL threatening lawsuit.

Furthermore, the meaning of certain sentences is as incomprehensible as that found in Sarsour’s letter to BVBL.

I have no idea what that Sarsour’s (?) final statement means, therefore I cannot respond to it. If I claim that people are “in the same category” as I am, and I believe that I am correct in my thinking, then why does Sarsour believe that I should “attack” such persons?

AIPAC isn’t the vast jewish conspiracy that Jim Moran claims it is.

It’s not about what they might look like, it’s about what they’ve been documented as doing. But you keep on defending them, my friend. That’ll be interesting to see.

Ugh. I need 3 extra strength Tylenol to deal with this deep layer of hypocrisy.

She and GWB repudiated Alamoudi immediately in August 2000 after Alamoudi’s Hamas statement. Jim Moran defended Alamoudi for another 18 months afterwards.

Faisal Gill never repudiated Alamoudi, and states that he is proud of having worked for Alamoudi’s AMC.

So I rate them all viz-a-viz Alamoudi as follows:

Acceptable: GWB and Hillary
Unacceptable: Jim Moran
Worst of All: Faisal Gill

Hillary’s involvement with terrorists and their sympathizers goes back much further.

What does that mean?

August 2000: Alamoudi announced that he was a member of Hamas and supported Hezbollah. Hillary and George W. Bush then immediately returned Alamoudi’s campaign donations.

January 2001: Jim Moran defends Alamoudi, receives and accepts a second campaign donation from Alamoudi.

April 2001: Faisal Gill goes to work for Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council as its Director, Government Relations.

March 2002: Moran finally, after repeatedly refusing to do so, returns his donations from Alamoudi.

Both Moran and Gill received money from Alamoudi or from Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council, and they both did so AFTER Alamoudi had already declared himself in public to be a Hamas member.

For this reason Jim Moran and Faisal Gill are much more closely related to Alamoudi than George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton were.

That is the reality. You can dislike Hillary and/or George W. Bush if you wish. But Moran and Gill are far more closely tied to Alamoudi than were Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush.

The term “anti-semite” by the way, was used in Europe to make Jew-hatred seem more genteel. That’s why I try to avoid using the term “anti-semite.”

If you read the article, you will notice that the National Jewish Democratic Council views Moran’s statements as irresponsible and dangerous. He clearly pushes stereotypes similar to those used by Jew-haters.

Rick Bentley, you will need to provide a little more fact to your statements. Very little about the Iraq liberation is based on misinformation, and certainly it’s difficult, if not impossible, to blame the Israelis. The fact is that Saddam was paying terrorists to blow up people in Israel (including American citizens), and believe me, that’s no disinformation. Saddam bragged about it.

Jonathan Mark, I hope you apply a similar standard to Hillary Clinton that you do to Jim Moran or Faisal Gill.

About Tikkun Magazine: Yes, it is a Jewish publication, but this Rabbi Lerner has written stuff worthy of Louis Farrakhan in the past. He has also wondered why the people with whom he chooses to associate (i.e., in the “antiwar” movement) turn out to be such Jew-haters. Tikkun itself is far left-wing, and people like Lerner tend to make excuses for the Jew-batiers out there. Not unlike certain bloggers I have observed recently, I might add . . .

Isn’t it funny how Moran doesn’t say anything about all the Arab lobbying money? Let’s just say that a double standard is another hallmark of a Jew-hater. Particularly a cowardly one (COUGH*Jim Moran*COUGH) who can’t admit to what he is.

In a way, this is an interesting topic for discussion: What criteria do you use to tell if someone is a Jew-hater if that person does not admit to it?