1. America is not a country rather a state of mind. The founders of this great nation gave unto us a constitution which agree or disagree is not absolute and with the will of the people can be changed.
2. My grandparents (paternal and maternal) suffered through poverty and famine and made way to America to make a better life for their future generations. They were the lowest of low class in their society and America gave them a chance to make a living, not go hungry, have a roof over their head and be treated according to their contributions to the society not their color or religion.
3. In my travels I see the same people as my grandparents. People that look to our great society as an opportunity to provide for their families future. They look nothing like them though because they may be shorter, darker complected, and not have command of the English language, but, they are the same…..willing to do whatever it takes to make a better life. My grandfathers did the work that Americans would not do, they worked in coal mines along with every other immigrant. The pay was below what an “American” would accept. The conditions were horrible and the was no employee health care plan.
4. Before one judges the whole illegal immigration issue you must ask yourself, what would I do if my native land was not able to provide me opportunity to live with an expectation of a brighter future.

I read and see the posts from those that equate illegal immigration with criminality. Do not think that ones moral compass is based upon their immigration status. All I know is this, if my children were hungry and some real estate stood between me and their happiness, I would do what I had to to make sure that they were provided for. Illegal immigration is not the real issue but rather the illegal employment by corporate america. If there were no jobs, there would be no draw. If it was not soo easy for a migrant farm worker to find work at 1.30 an hour perhaps we would not have such a surge in migration. So before we judge to worker, look to the employer. They commit the greater crime. They provide refuge and livelihood to the migrant. They also make it possible for us to pay 2 dollars for a head of Romaine lettuce rather than 10. We all know if an American picked the lettuce they would make at least 12 dollars per hour not counting overtime during harvest and would demand health care benefits (rightfully so) and possible a 401K with employer contribution. The American worker would have unionized and the company that used to employ migrant farm workers will now have no choice but to raise prices of the commodity. Which we would pay at the grocery market. No matter how you slice it . The American taxpayer, consumer, pays! Either through the illegals’ use of government services or at the cash register. Pick your poison.
I believe that many people in this country are bigoted, call me a pessimest but it is my opinion. We are blaming illegals for many of our problems (increased crime, lower property values, higher taxes, etc etc) when the real problem is us. Our own head in the sand attitude about what many believe America to be. True to my experience, this is the land of opportunity, the land of liberty, the land of justice. You do not have to travel too many places in this world to know that despite whatever nationalistic feelings people have, they would rather be here amongst us. My comrades died for this idea (whether you agree or not) . The idea that we are a great nation and being so we have great draw to our borders. Rudolph Giuliani ’s great great grandfather was not on the mayflower. Jack Kennedy’s grandfather did not sign the declaration of independence. Many of us are 2nd 3rd or 4th generation Americans and still understand the privilege it is to live in this country. Why do you think that it is just for you? Give us your tired, your week, your huddled masses………

Ultimately you will never agree with me anyway but I needed to be heard. But in the off chance you want to stem the tide of illegal immigration to your area…….picket your local business that hires illegals and urge them to move or pay an american to do the same job……I will pay 10 dollars for a pint of mushrooms then and I will be happy. Just don’t judge the worker that is just picking on the weak. And every little child knows that is just wrong!

IM SURE ITS LIEK A BAJILLION DOLLARS AND SURELY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE MONEY FROM WHOEVER DID THAT. IT WILL BE A VERY SMOOTH PROCESS.

Your emphasis on stupidity totally missed the mark. Also, you should probably include the state, not everyone knows about the grand city of Manassas.

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I think the cost in not doing something is far greater then the cost we might spend. A lawless society is not going to be a productive one. The IRS already goes after tax cheats, do they get them all of course not, but that does not stop them from trying to whittle the list down.

Same goes for identity theft or any crime for that matter. Obviously, people commit crimes all the time and law enforcement is always in a “catch up” mode. Yet, nobody is going around saying we should just take it easy on law enforcement because of the time and numbers involved.

The illegals and their supporters say they just want to be treated like everyone else. Well, this is a way to treat them like everyone else.

You missed my point. Let me see if I can simplify this so that you can understand it:

Doing 10 over probably won’t get you a second glance from any cop running radar, even in a school zone.

Doing 30 over will almost certainly get you a reckless driving citation if you happen to catch the attention of a cop, no matter where in Virginia you do it. And if it happens to be in excess of 90MPH you can expect jail time.

See, the more you exceed the speed limit, the bigger the punishment you get. If you just exceed the speed limit a little you can expect no punishment at all, because you won’t even get a ticket. If you exceed the speed limit a lot, you could even get jailtime. How interesting is that? So are you still wondering why nobody presses Chief Deane to enforce the speed limit within 1MPH, or even within 5MPH? Of course you know the answer.

Illegal entry isn’t punished that way. You’ve either violated or not. Of course, if you did want it punished that way, I would have to argue that illegal entry where someone improperly entered by walking across the border and stayed for an hour or two with the intention of going back is very similar to speeding 5-10MPH over the limit and probably isn’t worth punishing.

However, someone who improperly enters by hiring a coyote and then, for example, ends up 2000 miles away in Manassas, VA and stays for 3 years is probably very similar to speeding well in excess of 30MPH over the limit and ought to be punished more severely.

The actions in either case demonstrate a willfull intent to violate the law, and the punishment should be commensurate with that. Nobody unintentionally exceeds the limit by well over 30MPH, and nobody unintentionally ends up 2000 miles from the border in Manassas. Both are egregious examples of willful disregard of the law.

“In a sense however, you are correct, it is ultimately an issue of tolerances, how much of an impact are citizens willing to tolerate and how much of fiscal load will they otherwise tolerate.”

Citizens are not willing to tolerate many of the effects of illegal immigration when it starts affecting them personally. It was fine when it was a problem that other states like California had to deal with, and the cheap produce was a nice benefit…but when it starts impacting their own community, citizens do start to care about the problem and want something done about it.

It’s very much a problem that the effects of which need to be seen and experienced to be appreciated. For example, almost everyone knows that driving 30MPH over the limit can result in a pretty bad wreck, among other things. Not everyone knows or can appreciate that illegal immigration results in, among other things, overcrowding and out-of-control property taxes, and some deny it, because they benefit from it. They derive political power from it, or financial gain.

Deriving political power or financial gain from something that is illegal is “corruption” in my book.

What don’t YOU understand about illegal.

In a sense however, you are correct, it is ultimately an issue of tolerances, how much of an impact are citizens willing to tolerate and how much of fiscal load will they otherwise tolerate.

Mom

In the engineering world, there is such a thing as “tolerance”. No, I’m not talking about what liberals refer to when they talk about “tolerance”, I’m referring to how a specification, such as a measurement, can deviate in either direction by a specified amount and still be considered acceptable. This is because it is impossible to be 100% exact when you are dealing with measurements, and most applications do not need extreme precision in any event. Any given appliance in your house is happy running from 105V on up to 130V, for example, even though the specified voltage is 120V, it may not always be 120V for a number of reasons.

On to speed limits…

The unofficial upper bound for acceptable speed appears to be around +10MPH, with the lower bound being 0MPH, in a traffic jam (A negative speed would be interpreted as going backwards, which is not legal).

This is backed up by a data analysis of Fairfax County Arrest Records which showed that in a one-week period, no tickets were written for anyone going less than 10MPH over the limit.

On to illegals…

The things I talked about before are ANALOG measurements with degrees of variation. We’re interested in knowing how MUCH someone was speeding before we declare them in violation of the law and determine what their punishment shall be. This is set forth in the law, with increasing penalties as someone exceeds the speed limit by a greater amount, eventually leading up to reckless driving and potential jail time.

Likewise, when we consider whether there is a power problem in a house, we are interested in knowing what the voltage actually is at the electrical outlet in question, in order to determine if it is within acceptable limits. If it is not, then, and only then, are repairs to correct the problem needed.

Illegal aliens for real this time…

If someone enters this country improperly, they have violated the law. Illegal/legal, yes/no, on/off, this is a BINARY situation, not an analog one. There is nothing in the law insofar as I’m aware that offers greater punishment for illegal entry except that illegal entry after deportation is a felony. We don’t, for example, care how far one came past the border, or how long they stayed, it doesn’t matter–they have still committed the same crime of improper entry.

There is a line on a map and if you’ve crossed it improperly, you’re illegal. Period.

Complete nonsense.

“If someone leers at your daughter, Rick, have him arrested. ”

If he’s a criminal, i.e. an illegal alien, sounds good.

“If someone violates your rights or steals something, have him arrested. These are real crimes. An “illegal” child hasn’t committed a crime.”

The parent has. They conspire with elitist scumbags like you to deflate Americans’ wages and move our cities closer to third-world conditions. You and them together and stealing America from under the feet of the descendants of those who built it and defended it.

“You obviously have no idea what Christian charity is — and you obviously feel threatened and you obviously are a hateful person.”

And you’re obviously out of touch with how most people who live in this area feel. Easy to preach when your life isn’t affected.

“Don’t judge a group by the actions of an individual. I’m certainly not judging your family because you’re a dope.”

I judge individual illegal aliens only by their individual actions. Human smuggling and identity fraud are not excusable to me just because the person stands to make more money if they engage in it. These people are not villanous, but are collectively engaging in known illegal acts which are eroding way of life for our lower and middle classes. For the sake of cheap labor - nothing else, don’t fool yourself.

You’re obviously an arrogant person who has little empathy for lower-class Americans. I have no further interest in excahnging insults with an elitist a**hole like you.

Perhaps the better question is how much are YOU willing to spend to prosecute all transgressions. If the transaction cost is too high to prosecute all transgressions, then which one are YOU willing to allow or not allow. That having been said, how do you propose funding the enforcement mechanism and if that enforcement mechanism is to be funded then shouldn’t all enforcement mechanisms be funded to equal extent? Should we, for example, provide funding to the IRS such that they could prosecute every individual who has fudged their return or funding to Chief Deane to ensure that everyone who goes one mile over the speed limit is prosecuted? If its all about illegal meaning illegal you should all be in favor of those measures even if it means doubling or tripling your tax bills.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for sending “illegal aliens” home, I’m just not in favor of breaking the bank (mine or the government’s) to do it or doing it at the expense of other equally important programs. At a certain point, intent aside, it becomes an issue of diminishing returns and unrealistic goals.

Mom

This is another variant of the “everyone does it” excuse.

Bamford said the police have attempted to contact the owner about the sign but have been unsuccessful in their attempts as of Monday afternoon. City staff was unavailable for comment at press time.

http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173352790369&path=

How odd that the city cannot contact the owner, yet every media outlet in the area has been able to locate him for an interview.

Thanks for ignoring the questions. I asked you point blank what transgressions you were willing to allow or not allow.

The only folks involved in this issue that are being arrogant are the illegals who are openly mocking our laws, and their supporters.

How can you favor the rule of law and then support law breakers?

The Federal Government is not protecting the borders, and that is a huge reason why we have so many illegals, which is also why State and local Governments need to pick up the slack.

Your whole don’t lump them in as a single group bs is just that. Every illegal is part of the same group simply for the very reason they all are here illegally. Unlike you and other supporters of illegals, those of us that against illegal aliens understand and realize there is a difference between illegal and legal. As I said, you though have the nerve to call people idiots.

Stop attempting to say you are a conservative, you are no such thing. Anybody that believes in breaking the law and benefiting from it is no conservative.

Oh, and I love the additional liberal talking points you use regarding “mob rule”. Exactly how is having an opinion against illegal aliens a mob rule? Talk about scare tactics, you are the only one engaging in such tactics when you talk about potential lynchings. You really do not do your side any favors with that type of talk.