Section 287(g) Yields Results
By Greg L | 17 September 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 37 Comments
As if there was any doubt that the Section 287(g) Program could yield real benefits, here’s something that should put those doubts to rest. Since the Adult Detention Center joined in the Section 287(g) Program, they have been going through the current inmate population to see if any currently held were illegal aliens. Out of a population of about 750 inmates, jail officials have identified 80 illegal aliens in the jail that they previously did not know were illegal aliens. If we hadn’t adopted the Section 287(g) Program, these illegal aliens would have been released back into our communities at the end of their sentences. Now, with the program, they will be deported.
One of the canards the illegal alien apologists such as Governor Warner and House Democratic Caucus leader Brian Moran like to throw out there is that they already have a relationship with ICE that they believe is entirely adequate to deal with criminal illegal aliens. Chief Deane reported that he had one of these relationships also, before he got a chance to see just what this program could do. Deane, for all of the criticism leveled, has come to appreciate just how important this program is, just as Chief Skinner in Manassas City was once a critic and is now an active promoter of the program. It would seem that no one who has adopted the program has had anything but high praise for what it can do.
So we’ve got Governor Kaine repeating the “I don’t like it” line as if this were Green Eggs And Ham. We could probably use a few more folks to play the role of Sam I Am, and ask the Governor to sign on. Just try it, Governor!
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I thought Kaine was the Governor. Have we hit a time warp?
It’s just a jump to the left…let’s do the time warp again!
Guess what?! Frederick, MD (that’s in the People’s Republic of Maryland) will have the Sheriff Department cooperating with ICE. This is unbelievable! It’s working–Frederick County has already deported 24 or so illegal aliens thanks to the coordination with ICE.
I’m curious as to how the whole 287 program works. Does it only show people who’ve been arrested or have a record from before or does it show anyone who is illegal, even if they’ve managed to stay here and work without ever being caught?
How many illegals was the detention center aware of BEFORE this program? If the number of 22% total is correct, then they knew of about 75 people, and then ICE made them aware of an additional 80. Am I understanding this correctly?
If so, those are frightening numbers.
Interesting to see how these numbers dovetail with the estimates that 10% of Virginia inmates are illegal aliens.
So would the Green Eggs and Ham thing go along with the “Ham Sandwich for CA” campaign? LOL
As far as I am concerned, deported once and if you are caught back in this country again you get the firing squad with the cost of the bullet sent to your family.
[Ed note: Let’s try to keep this sort of over-passionate, unconstitutional and unreasonable rhetoric in check. Please? We don’t execute folks for immigration violations. End of story.]
I’m a member of HSM and I know that Greg has dedicated 100% of his time over the past few months to the cause of correcting our infestation with illegal aliens. He’s not on a Govt payroll, but he has done more to fix this problem than most tax-funded politicians…and he’s not giving up.
Greg may not allow this post to stand, but please, don’t forget, Greg has family obligations just as you and I do. So, if you can, please help Greg out a bit so he can continue leading our work. Contact him, he needs our help to keep his head above water.
Dave B. said:
“As far as I am concerned, deported once and if you are caught back in this country again you get the firing squad with the cost of the bullet sent to your family.”
That’s just like…cutting off someone’s hands for shoplifting…or hanging a teenage girl for premarital sex…or stoning a woman to death for allegations of adultery…or beheading anyone who offends the memory of the prohet mohammed…
…need i say more?
Nope…you’re logic is pretty clear. THEY WON’T DO IT MORE THAN ONCE!!!
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_6897970?source=most_viewed
This is the kind of local enforcement action we need to start seeing right here and NOW!
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/091507dnbushispanichealth.29186bf.html
This is why our medical insurance is so ridiculous! This must STOP! What about the others from countries other than south of the border? This is just an excuse for non-assimilation!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjhiMWMxMThjYjMyYmJjN2NmYWNiMzExN2M2YjkzNWU=
A little more information on the Dream Act! Just say NO!
Greg: Were the you’ve statistics you gave obtained thru the ADC’s 287g agreement or thru PWC’s? I did not think PWC had an agreement yet. If it does, have you gotten a copy?
Could this be another illegal immigrant committing a crime? http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0907/456168.html
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2003/feb03/psrfeb03.shtml
Rising Costs of Tolerating Illegal Aliens
Good that you are deporting people but again it proves a fact: Not all your criminals are illegal aliens. You still have to deal with 80 % of the crimes committed by your own people
Anon, who do you mean by “your own people”? Are you a legal American or are you an illegal alien?
“If we hadn’t adopted the Section 287(g) Program, these illegal aliens would have been released back into our communities at the end of their sentences. Now, with the program, they will be deported.”
Once again, Greg L is giving out misinformation to the community. The above statement, that without 287(g) illegal aliens would be released back into the community at the end of their sentences is complete and utter nonsense.
287(g) has nothing to do with the identification of or release of illegal immigrants who have committed crimes. Local governments have always had the authority to obtain the immigration status of individuals presented for incraceration and to turn those individuals found to be in the country illegally over to the proper immigration authorities. All the local governments had to do was ask for verification from I.C.E and then further request that I.C.E take custody of the individual. The fact that some localities have now decided to start taking advantage of the laws that already exist has nothing to do qith 287(g), the local agencies could have been going through their detainees the whole time and making requests for citizenship status, they just weren’t doing it.
287(g) provides for the training of local law enforcement officials to perform the duties of I.C.E officials such as apprehension, search and seizure and detention or incarceration (since the rules and laws are different from local to federal), 287(g) has NOTHING to do with obtaining immigration status verification other than that it now allows for local enforcement officers to cooperate with and perform the functions of obtaining immigration status. It just increases the ability of local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws, it doesn’t create something new that wasn’t there before. You’re making that up. Local agencies ALWAYS had the right to request immigration status of an individual.
The Adult Detention Center could be doing what it’s doing now without 287(g) and they could have been doing it the whole time. They just weren’t.
Seriously Greg, if you want to be an expert on immigration law, fine. But then take the time to actually get educated about the existing laws and what they do. Spreading misinformation to the public is completely unethical. You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re spreading a bunch of crappy information around. It’s pathetic.
“Local agencies ALWAYS had the right to request immigration status of an individual.” - Anon said
Anon, show the reference that you used to make this statement please.
It doesn’t matter if I am illegal or not: 80% of peoplw who committed crimes in your county are american citizens.
What part of american you don’t understand Patriot?
Anon, what makes you an expert on immigration law?
Anon,
It does matter if you are an illegal or not. We do have citizens that commit crimes and that is bad but we sure do not need to import criminals. Do you think we need to import criminals? Are you a criminal?
Patty,
What makes you a good judge? I am not a criminal, but even if I were I can make a point: 80% of people who committed crimes in your area were american citizens. You can call me whatever you want but I am not making that fact up. I am not an expert, just reating what Greg stated.
One dumb kid is one too many!
Anon, sure it matters if you are legal or illegal. If you are illegal…you are breaking the law! And your logic is ridiculous regarding the percentages! Even 1% crime that can be reduced is a good thing!
Anon,
I didn’t call you anything. I just asked questions of which you did not answer. I’m not a judge but God gives us his word to judge right and wrong and He commands us to do just that. If you have a Bible you need to read Romans chapter 13. Pay particular attention to the first verse. You would do well if you read the whole book of Romans. Our founding fathers established our government based on what God says in his Word.
Has the MJM reported the attempted abduction in Masassas? And if not, why not? Because it doesn’t fit their agenda of protecting illegal aliens!!
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0907/456168.html
When the lord was asked about the main thing you need to do, What did he say?
He talked about one commandment: Love
The story of the ggod samaritan is about thinking about the person first and not race.
I am not Christian anyway and even if I were that doesn’t make my opinion less important.
Anon, that is right! Love. Therefore, we are showing those law breakers how to do the right thing out of love for all of us and them (so that they don’t continue to break the law). Once they are deported, they are more than welcome to come back legally.
ALERT: CONTACT SENATOR WARNER AND WEBB TO OPPOSE THE DREAM ACT! THE VOTE IS NEAR!!!
“Local governments have always had the authority to obtain the immigration status of individuals presented for incraceration and to turn those individuals found to be in the country illegally over to the proper immigration authorities.”
That’s true anon…but without 287(g) they didn’t have the means.
“Local agencies ALWAYS had the right to request immigration status of an individual.”
That’s also true anon…but without the “Resolution” they were not inclined to take the trouble.
State law actually states that legal residency is a requirement for receiving social welfare benefits and services, yet that requirement has been continually overlooked as illegal aliens have fed voraciously at the trough. It has been continually pointed out on this very blog that the primary purpose of the resolution that the illegal alien lobby is screaming so loudly about is to DEMAND that the county agencies properly enforce the laws that they should have been enforcing all along! It’s like I, and many others here, have been saying all along…THIS IS AN ISSUE OF LAW, and the proper enforcement of the law. The sad, and perhaps even scary, part is that the law is held in such low regard that such a thing should be necessary.
I don’t think that many people were actually deported - physically returned to whereever. I think the numbers mean how many were turned over to ICE to be deported.
if you look at the ICE website it says that with 287g authority, police officers can arrest based solely on illegal status. Those that don’t have that authority need to find another reason to arrest them.
I have never seen an MOU with ICE — and I’ve seen four so far — that allowed police officers to arrest a suspect based solely on their immigration status. The Section 287(g) Program only allows officers to process for deportation criminal illegal aliens who have committed a crime listed in the MOU. Typically these include felonies, Driving While Intoxicated, violent misdemeanors, and repeat serious misdemeanor offenses.
Anon, I think you’re making it up that 287(g) allows officers to arrest based solely on immigration violations. If you have a citation to demonstrate otherwise, I would be very interested to see it, as Chairman Corey Stewart was asking Congress for this authority last week. If he already has that authority, I’m sure he’d want to know about that yesterday.
AWCheney: You’re wrong. 287(g) is not what gives local authorities the means to obtain immigration status. 287(g) gives local authorities the ability to determine immigration status for themselves, detain undocumented immigrants and make arrests based on for the criminial activity listed by Greg L above.
The ability to request verification of an individual’s immigration status has always existed, it was local law enforcement who were repeatedly choosing not to make those requests.
Sure, the fact that a particular locality has requested an MOU and wishes to implement 287(g) means that local officials will be paying more attention to whether they have undocumented immigrants in their facilities or presented for incarceration.
But Greg’s suggestion that the verification of immigration status never could have happened without 287(g) is just flat out wrong and misleading. The local government didn’t need 287(g) to do that, all they needed to do was make the request of I.C.E.
Let me explain it this way: the fact that cities have the right to make the request is exactly why some cities– who have openly stated they WILL NOT check the immigration status of individuals in custody– are considered to be “sanctuary cities.”
If a city like San Francisco (which has not requested an MOU and has no intention of implementing 287(g)) didn’t have the authority to request immigration status, why would they go out of their way to publicly state that they will make no such requests? Get it? You don’t need 287(g) to verify immigration status. Period. full stop.
Greg is spinning this to make it seem as though 287(g) does something it does not, so he can claim 287(g) is an absolute must for the region. There may be reasons that PWC and others would want an MOU, but verifying immigration status isn’t one of them. Greg is just completely wrong, or he’s getting misinformation from ill-informed local officials who have no idea what they’re talking about. Either way, Greg is engaging in a campaign of misinformation.
The problem with local authorities failing to inquire about immigration status has nothing to do with the federal government, it came from the fact that many local and state governments passed ordinances barring public employees from inquiring about immigration status. Those restrictions have been imposed by the locality, NOT the federal government. If a locality does not have restrictions, there is nothing preventing them from inquiring about immigration status, and they don’t need 287(g) to do it.
Then, anon, it has the same effect as the Resolution (see my previous comment)…and it’s working!
Without the 287(g) program, local law enforcement would not have had the tools and access to ICE databases to conduct the screening that has made such a difference. Since the program has been implemented at the Adult Detention Center, jail personnel have been able to screen individuals using ICE systems that had never been done in the past. Jail officials were unable to perform the detailed questioning that the ICE training made possible, they were unable to take every incoming convict and check their status, and just didn’t have the tools or training needed in order to identify which prisoners in their custody were illegal aliens.
Previously, IF they really thought someone was an illegal, they had the option of contacting ICE, which MIGHT have come out to take someone. Now, they can KNOW whether someone is illegal or not at intake, process them for deportation themselves, and ICE is pretty much required to take custody of them when their confinement is complete. The huge jump in deportations we’re seeing now is entirely due to this program. If you don’t believe me, call Col. Skip Land who runs the detention center and ask him. What I’m telling you is coming directly from him.
Localities can inquire all they want without 287(g), but they cannot effectively detect evasion without the training and support, they cannot use ICE databases to obtain the information they need, and they still require ICE to do something out of the ordinary to take custody of an illegal alien, which they usually only do when it’s a really major crime.
We adopt 287(g), and deportations jump considerably. I’d say that’s pretty compelling proof that the program works. It’s done everything we’ve expected it to, and more.
To clarify a point made above, local authorities have had the power since 1996 to run a name through ICE to determine whether a person had legal status.
The problem with that was that there’s no effective way to use the mechanisms provided under that act quickly enough to get an answer back before the suspect would have been released on bail. Law enforcement personnel need to get the response to their inquiries immediately in order to be effective.
Another problem is that if for some reason local law enforcement did get a timely response that indicated that someone was an illegal, it was up to ICE to take the time to process them for deportation and actually remove them. Given their resource constraints, this just didn’t happen a whole lot. Having local law enforcement personnel perform the screenings and deportation paperwork, we remove a significant number of those constraints and make the system much more effective.
Hence, the positive results were seeing.
Spin it all you want Greg, but the only that’s happening different from what was going on before, is that local law enforcement is doing it’s job. The job they should have been doing the whole time.
If you want to be honest about this, you should ask the local law enforcement how many requests they actually made prior to 287(g) and whether they ever encountered the delays in processing you are suggesting.
287(g) was designed to over-ride sanctuary cities by creating federal law that takes precedent over state and local laws. That’s what 287(g) was about. Your claims are bogus.
The local authorities could have been doing everything they are doing now the whole time with the exception of accessing the data base directly.
But the increase in deportations is not a causal result of 287(g), it’s a causul result of local law enforcement checking people’s immigration status, that’s all.
Actually, I know a number of local police officers and folks who work at the ADC. They tell me this program is making a big difference, that the training they’ve gotten from ICE has been great, that the equipment they now have access to takes what used to be a 15 hour ordeal and makes it a ten minute job, and that all sorts of folks they were sure were illegals are now getting identified that previously were not.
I doubt Mecklenberg County, NC, an early adopter of the program, had any sanctuary city problems. They reported dramatic positive results from the program, and here in PWC we’re seeing the same kind of results. The notion that sanctuary cities were going to have their policies changed by 287(g), which is a VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, is utterly ridiculous. 287(g) doesn’t change anything with sanctuary cities in any way.
How about the next time you spout some of these bizarre claims, you at least bother to cite a source.