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	<title>Comments on: This Might Be Called A Consensus</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28461</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28461</guid>
		<description>Concerned:  Thank you for the reality check.  I suspect the Mexican government feeds their uneducated masses myths about "Atzlan" to encourage them to come to the US illegally with their sense of entitlement.  This leads to money sent home and enables the elites so they can continue to ignore their indigenous peoples.

The corrupt governements of Mexico and Central America are dumping their social problems on the American taxpayer.  A few years ago there were riots in Chiapas, Mexico.  Peasants were demanding rights.  They seem to be quiet now--I wonder if they are now residing in the US?

The US can only absorb so much.  We have long passed our "tipping point".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned:  Thank you for the reality check.  I suspect the Mexican government feeds their uneducated masses myths about &#8220;Atzlan&#8221; to encourage them to come to the US illegally with their sense of entitlement.  This leads to money sent home and enables the elites so they can continue to ignore their indigenous peoples.</p>
<p>The corrupt governements of Mexico and Central America are dumping their social problems on the American taxpayer.  A few years ago there were riots in Chiapas, Mexico.  Peasants were demanding rights.  They seem to be quiet now&#8211;I wonder if they are now residing in the US?</p>
<p>The US can only absorb so much.  We have long passed our &#8220;tipping point&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28459</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28459</guid>
		<description>Barbara:

Share this with anyone you want.  I spent a lot of time researching and working on it in an effort to dispel the politically-correct myths that are interfering with our ability to find fair, workable solutions to our immigration problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara:</p>
<p>Share this with anyone you want.  I spent a lot of time researching and working on it in an effort to dispel the politically-correct myths that are interfering with our ability to find fair, workable solutions to our immigration problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28457</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28457</guid>
		<description>Thank you, Concerned. I'd like to give this to the supervisors tomorrow if you have no objection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Concerned. I&#8217;d like to give this to the supervisors tomorrow if you have no objection.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28442</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28442</guid>
		<description>The nonsense that illegal alien apologists have been throwing out as history is ridiculous.  The comment in this thread that Spanish is the true native language of the US is preposterous.  The notion that Mexico has a historical right to reclaim “Aztlan” is equally nonsensical.  This post is longer than usual but I want to clear up much of the politically-correct idiocy that has been used in support of the illegal alien agenda. 

The modern US states of California, Nevada, Utah, northern Arizona, western Colorado, and southwestern Wyoming were all part of what was known as Alta California.  Alta California gained independence from Spain in 1821 as one of the consequences of the Mexican War of Independence, and Spain’s decision to disengage from North America.  It came under Mexico’s control, just as the Philippines came under US control after the Spanish-American War in 1898.  Another historical parallel is South Africa’s receiving a League of Nations mandate to control the former German colony of Namibia after World War I.
  
Alta California was not, however, part of Mexico any more than the Philippines was part of the US or Namibia was part of South Africa.  Both the US and South Africa eventually restored self-determination to those nations.  Mexico’s occupation and control of Alta California in the 19th century were merely part of the crumbling of the Spanish Empire. 

The 1824 Mexican Constitution, developed after Mexican independence from Spain in 1821, claimed Alto California as one of Mexico’s territories.  This was, however, merely an unrecognized claim on the part of the newly independent Mexican government, as were South African claims to Namibia that the international community demanded with increasing concern after World War II that South Africa renounce.  

Mexican occupation of Alta California was incompetent and harsh.  During this same period that the United States was developing toward becoming a democratic, industrial economy with a strong middle class, feudal societies were developing around the “ranchos” in Alta California under Mexican rule.  The social structure was similar to Medieval Europe where a wealthy, landed class was surrounded by impoverished peasants and serfs.

The tyrannical rule of Manuel Victoria in Alta California spawned a revolt.  The protestors secured his removal but sectional rivalries and political instability did not end.  Another revolt broke out in 1844.

The 1824 Mexican Constitution was a generally progressive document that created a bicameral legislature similar in many ways to the US Congress.  Mexican President (dictator) Antonio López de Santa Anna rescinded that constitution and replaced it with the more centralized 1835 Constitution, which dissolved the federation of Mexican sovereign states, and consolidated power under his control in Mexico City.  Santa Anna’s power grab precipitated the secession not only of Texas but also of the Mexican states of Yucatán, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas.  Texans fought for their independence (Remember the Alamo!) against Santa Anna’s increasingly tyrannical rule.

Mexico was falling apart at the seams because of its own failure to liberalize its economy and build on the democratic government that its 1824 constitution envisioned.  Mexico faced revolts both domestically and in Alta California because of its dictatorial governance and economic incompetence.

In 1845, Texas was admitted as a US state with the overwhelming popular support of its citizens.  Except for slaves, all Texans, including Anglos and Hispanics, became US citizens.  Under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed by Mexico and the US after the Mexican-American war in 1848, Alta California became part of the US.  All residents became US citizens, including Mexicans who chose to continue living there, and retained all of their property rights.  Alta California, which had gained its own independence in 1821, but was claimed and occupied by Mexico, thus joined the United States.

Mexico’s economy and society today reflect the long-term impacts of its history of harsh rule, corruption and economic mismanagement.  It has no middle class, but only an incredibly wealthy, tiny elite living in the midst of widespread poverty.  The richest man in the world, according to “Forbes” magazine, is Mexican Carlos Slim, worth an estimated $67.8 billion in a nation where over half of the population lives on less than $5 per day.   This is a direct result of Mexico’s failure over history to create institutions that support property rights, economic opportunity for all, and a democratic society.  Had Alta California and Texas not been able to break off from Mexico when they did, their societies and economies today would almost inevitably reflect the current socio-economic mess in Mexico rather than the stable, democratic, prosperous economy of the US. 

The answer to Mexico’s problems today is not to export them by encouraging its people to leave and enter the US illegally.  Mexico has vast natural resources (i.e., oil), a rich history and hard-working, talented, ambitious people.  Mexico needs reform at home to take advantage of these assets but is hindered by the power of its wealthy elite, and increasingly by the malign influence of globalization.  It must resolve those issues.  The US can not intervene and do so for them.  Just as the US has overcome major flaws such as slavery and Jim Crow, Mexico must act in the best interests of all of its citizens.

Many Mexicans assert now that the territory of the former Alta California, which they label “Aztlan,” is subject to their plans for “reconquista.”  In effect, they aim to “reconquer” something that Mexico asserted a spurious claim on for about 27 years, administered tyrannically and incompetently, and was in fact never theirs.   Making such claims and stirring up emotions will not address the nation’s true problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nonsense that illegal alien apologists have been throwing out as history is ridiculous.  The comment in this thread that Spanish is the true native language of the US is preposterous.  The notion that Mexico has a historical right to reclaim “Aztlan” is equally nonsensical.  This post is longer than usual but I want to clear up much of the politically-correct idiocy that has been used in support of the illegal alien agenda. </p>
<p>The modern US states of California, Nevada, Utah, northern Arizona, western Colorado, and southwestern Wyoming were all part of what was known as Alta California.  Alta California gained independence from Spain in 1821 as one of the consequences of the Mexican War of Independence, and Spain’s decision to disengage from North America.  It came under Mexico’s control, just as the Philippines came under US control after the Spanish-American War in 1898.  Another historical parallel is South Africa’s receiving a League of Nations mandate to control the former German colony of Namibia after World War I.</p>
<p>Alta California was not, however, part of Mexico any more than the Philippines was part of the US or Namibia was part of South Africa.  Both the US and South Africa eventually restored self-determination to those nations.  Mexico’s occupation and control of Alta California in the 19th century were merely part of the crumbling of the Spanish Empire. </p>
<p>The 1824 Mexican Constitution, developed after Mexican independence from Spain in 1821, claimed Alto California as one of Mexico’s territories.  This was, however, merely an unrecognized claim on the part of the newly independent Mexican government, as were South African claims to Namibia that the international community demanded with increasing concern after World War II that South Africa renounce.  </p>
<p>Mexican occupation of Alta California was incompetent and harsh.  During this same period that the United States was developing toward becoming a democratic, industrial economy with a strong middle class, feudal societies were developing around the “ranchos” in Alta California under Mexican rule.  The social structure was similar to Medieval Europe where a wealthy, landed class was surrounded by impoverished peasants and serfs.</p>
<p>The tyrannical rule of Manuel Victoria in Alta California spawned a revolt.  The protestors secured his removal but sectional rivalries and political instability did not end.  Another revolt broke out in 1844.</p>
<p>The 1824 Mexican Constitution was a generally progressive document that created a bicameral legislature similar in many ways to the US Congress.  Mexican President (dictator) Antonio López de Santa Anna rescinded that constitution and replaced it with the more centralized 1835 Constitution, which dissolved the federation of Mexican sovereign states, and consolidated power under his control in Mexico City.  Santa Anna’s power grab precipitated the secession not only of Texas but also of the Mexican states of Yucatán, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas.  Texans fought for their independence (Remember the Alamo!) against Santa Anna’s increasingly tyrannical rule.</p>
<p>Mexico was falling apart at the seams because of its own failure to liberalize its economy and build on the democratic government that its 1824 constitution envisioned.  Mexico faced revolts both domestically and in Alta California because of its dictatorial governance and economic incompetence.</p>
<p>In 1845, Texas was admitted as a US state with the overwhelming popular support of its citizens.  Except for slaves, all Texans, including Anglos and Hispanics, became US citizens.  Under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed by Mexico and the US after the Mexican-American war in 1848, Alta California became part of the US.  All residents became US citizens, including Mexicans who chose to continue living there, and retained all of their property rights.  Alta California, which had gained its own independence in 1821, but was claimed and occupied by Mexico, thus joined the United States.</p>
<p>Mexico’s economy and society today reflect the long-term impacts of its history of harsh rule, corruption and economic mismanagement.  It has no middle class, but only an incredibly wealthy, tiny elite living in the midst of widespread poverty.  The richest man in the world, according to “Forbes” magazine, is Mexican Carlos Slim, worth an estimated $67.8 billion in a nation where over half of the population lives on less than $5 per day.   This is a direct result of Mexico’s failure over history to create institutions that support property rights, economic opportunity for all, and a democratic society.  Had Alta California and Texas not been able to break off from Mexico when they did, their societies and economies today would almost inevitably reflect the current socio-economic mess in Mexico rather than the stable, democratic, prosperous economy of the US. </p>
<p>The answer to Mexico’s problems today is not to export them by encouraging its people to leave and enter the US illegally.  Mexico has vast natural resources (i.e., oil), a rich history and hard-working, talented, ambitious people.  Mexico needs reform at home to take advantage of these assets but is hindered by the power of its wealthy elite, and increasingly by the malign influence of globalization.  It must resolve those issues.  The US can not intervene and do so for them.  Just as the US has overcome major flaws such as slavery and Jim Crow, Mexico must act in the best interests of all of its citizens.</p>
<p>Many Mexicans assert now that the territory of the former Alta California, which they label “Aztlan,” is subject to their plans for “reconquista.”  In effect, they aim to “reconquer” something that Mexico asserted a spurious claim on for about 27 years, administered tyrannically and incompetently, and was in fact never theirs.   Making such claims and stirring up emotions will not address the nation’s true problems.</p>
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		<title>By: dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28412</link>
		<dc:creator>dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28412</guid>
		<description>One Voice re: 7:51 polaring responses:

I totally agree with you.  

Parts 5,6 7 of WWII are on tonight, Monday and Tuesday.  I have thoroughly enjoyed watching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Voice re: 7:51 polaring responses:</p>
<p>I totally agree with you.  </p>
<p>Parts 5,6 7 of WWII are on tonight, Monday and Tuesday.  I have thoroughly enjoyed watching it.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28385</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28385</guid>
		<description>Good point Mr. Smith --


Aside from political shows -
And how many folks enjoyed The WAR last week?  Or, has WWI become liberal and I missed it?  Or how about Inspector Lynly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Mr. Smith &#8211;</p>
<p>Aside from political shows -<br />
And how many folks enjoyed The WAR last week?  Or, has WWI become liberal and I missed it?  Or how about Inspector Lynly?</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28379</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28379</guid>
		<description>corr
THEN when the children are of an age to support THEMSELVES...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corr<br />
THEN when the children are of an age to support THEMSELVES&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28377</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28377</guid>
		<description>UnMas,
The numbers are on the rise due to the illegal invasion, and then getting pregnant with "anchor babies", and keep popping out one kid after another. Are you an "anchor baby"? Also, the  illegal parents that make these babies are more than welcome to take THEIR children back to their(parents) country of origin. The when the children are of an age to support themselve they are welcome back to this great nation. Come here legally!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UnMas,<br />
The numbers are on the rise due to the illegal invasion, and then getting pregnant with &#8220;anchor babies&#8221;, and keep popping out one kid after another. Are you an &#8220;anchor baby&#8221;? Also, the  illegal parents that make these babies are more than welcome to take THEIR children back to their(parents) country of origin. The when the children are of an age to support themselve they are welcome back to this great nation. Come here legally!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.  Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28368</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.  Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28368</guid>
		<description>People who gripe about PBS being liberal evidently don't remember it as being the home of "Firing Line" with William F. Buckley, a man just to the right of Attila the Hun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who gripe about PBS being liberal evidently don&#8217;t remember it as being the home of &#8220;Firing Line&#8221; with William F. Buckley, a man just to the right of Attila the Hun.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28367</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28367</guid>
		<description>Thank YOU, Reddawn, you are amoung the thoughtful thinkers.  We need many more to not just start change but to implement fully.  It's the latter that takes the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank YOU, Reddawn, you are amoung the thoughtful thinkers.  We need many more to not just start change but to implement fully.  It&#8217;s the latter that takes the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28363</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28363</guid>
		<description>correct to read: i left you a message under the thread

http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/30/moran-kaine-and-warner-dist
urbing-ties-to-radical-islam

and that I am suggesting constructive criticism as we ALL can use. It works both ways.

Thank you ONE VOICE, I see you are with GOOD will and have NOT given up. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correct to read: i left you a message under the thread</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/30/moran-kaine-and-warner-dist" rel="nofollow">http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/30/moran-kaine-and-warner-dist</a><br />
urbing-ties-to-radical-islam</p>
<p>and that I am suggesting constructive criticism as we ALL can use. It works both ways.</p>
<p>Thank you ONE VOICE, I see you are with GOOD will and have NOT given up. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28360</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28360</guid>
		<description>UnMasMexican

When I first picked up on this blog last spring, I thought that this blog would be a good opportunity to pick up on some various opinions.  I am not young enough to know everything already.   In the early stages it was quite good.  Facts were ferreted out, presented and discussed intelligently and the persistance of the group was amazing and very effective.  

Toward the end of July there was a shift - facts in some of the most vicious posts are scarce, responses are polarizing and the whole experience has become one giant frustration and no longer a valuable tool to capture the thoughts of the community.  

There are some very thoughtful people still around, you can tell they actually think about their response prior to firing off a comment; unfortunately they are becoming scarce....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UnMasMexican</p>
<p>When I first picked up on this blog last spring, I thought that this blog would be a good opportunity to pick up on some various opinions.  I am not young enough to know everything already.   In the early stages it was quite good.  Facts were ferreted out, presented and discussed intelligently and the persistance of the group was amazing and very effective.  </p>
<p>Toward the end of July there was a shift - facts in some of the most vicious posts are scarce, responses are polarizing and the whole experience has become one giant frustration and no longer a valuable tool to capture the thoughts of the community.  </p>
<p>There are some very thoughtful people still around, you can tell they actually think about their response prior to firing off a comment; unfortunately they are becoming scarce&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28359</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28359</guid>
		<description>UnMasMexican,
I understand and that is POSITIVE! I just want to let you know, that I have been following you this evening to give you a message and that would be good intentions but it is how it is PRESENTED. ( just I left you tconstructive criticism, we ALL can use)http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/30/moran-kaine-and-warner-disturbing-ties-to-radical-islam/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UnMasMexican,<br />
I understand and that is POSITIVE! I just want to let you know, that I have been following you this evening to give you a message and that would be good intentions but it is how it is PRESENTED. ( just I left you tconstructive criticism, we ALL can use)http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/30/moran-kaine-and-warner-disturbing-ties-to-radical-islam/</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Arnold</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28357</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28357</guid>
		<description>96% holding after 136,000 votes.....

Bet these numbers never get published anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>96% holding after 136,000 votes&#8230;..</p>
<p>Bet these numbers never get published anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: UnMasMexican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28352</link>
		<dc:creator>UnMasMexican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28352</guid>
		<description>redawn: my intentions are simply to make some people on these boards realize there IS an alternative point of view and help them realize decent, hard-working people are being scape-goated for many of our nation's problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redawn: my intentions are simply to make some people on these boards realize there IS an alternative point of view and help them realize decent, hard-working people are being scape-goated for many of our nation&#8217;s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28347</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28347</guid>
		<description>UnMasMexican,

I thought they may have been what you were trying to do, not just assuming a threat. I was giving you the benefit of doubt. 
I am kind and have been kind to you on the threads we have been back and forth on for awhile now. I treat others the way I want to be treated. I still wonder what your intentions are ( since you are all over the threads tonight) I am trying to find out what you feel should be done. There are people here that can communicate to be problem solving with out name calling,etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UnMasMexican,</p>
<p>I thought they may have been what you were trying to do, not just assuming a threat. I was giving you the benefit of doubt.<br />
I am kind and have been kind to you on the threads we have been back and forth on for awhile now. I treat others the way I want to be treated. I still wonder what your intentions are ( since you are all over the threads tonight) I am trying to find out what you feel should be done. There are people here that can communicate to be problem solving with out name calling,etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28345</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28345</guid>
		<description>unmas, go home and improve your native country. it is in dire need of such productive people as yourself and the millions who want to "help" us so much. btw, just because illegals are here doing construction, doesn't mean it's being done correctly. These new developments that go up very quickly have serious flaws in basic workmanship. I hear people investing in these properties all the time complaining about the sloppy construction. 

They also don't seem to be learning anything from all the landscaping they claim to do. One latino guy nearby surrounded all his very tall trees with huge timbers, filled them in with dirt and within one year, they are all quite dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unmas, go home and improve your native country. it is in dire need of such productive people as yourself and the millions who want to &#8220;help&#8221; us so much. btw, just because illegals are here doing construction, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s being done correctly. These new developments that go up very quickly have serious flaws in basic workmanship. I hear people investing in these properties all the time complaining about the sloppy construction. </p>
<p>They also don&#8217;t seem to be learning anything from all the landscaping they claim to do. One latino guy nearby surrounded all his very tall trees with huge timbers, filled them in with dirt and within one year, they are all quite dead.</p>
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		<title>By: UnMasMexican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28343</link>
		<dc:creator>UnMasMexican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28343</guid>
		<description>No slang. It was analogous. Anyways. The white population is dwindling, that's all I meant. No threats. Just a reminder to be kind. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No slang. It was analogous. Anyways. The white population is dwindling, that&#8217;s all I meant. No threats. Just a reminder to be kind. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28332</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28332</guid>
		<description>I am not threatened I want to know your intentions and it seemed to me that you are saying you see the spanish population not being the minority. What do you see being the minority? 
We do not have pyramids here in the US, sound to me like you are using slang again, please explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not threatened I want to know your intentions and it seemed to me that you are saying you see the spanish population not being the minority. What do you see being the minority?<br />
We do not have pyramids here in the US, sound to me like you are using slang again, please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28329</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/29/this-might-be-called-a-consensus/#comment-28329</guid>
		<description>unmas said...."“la raza” is a sense of community that goes beyond race….something people as fixated on care as you are would not understand, patriot."

Right! That Funny! Your brethen in Mecha said "for those of the race, everything; for those outside the race, nothing". Is that inclusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unmas said&#8230;.&#8221;“la raza” is a sense of community that goes beyond race….something people as fixated on care as you are would not understand, patriot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right! That Funny! Your brethen in Mecha said &#8220;for those of the race, everything; for those outside the race, nothing&#8221;. Is that inclusion?</p>
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