Hanoi Jeanette?
By Greg L | 1 October 2007 | Jeanette Rishell, 50th HOD District | 74 Comments
You’d think that anyone running for office would shy away from adopting the symbol of the Viet Cong as their campaign logo. There’s plenty of folks out there that fought in the Vietnam War, or who lost loved ones in that war, and who probably would recognize a symbol like this and react pretty negatively. Jeanette Rishell can count me among those disturbed by her appropriation of the flag of the Viet Cong (bottom left) for her campaign logo (top left) and then start noticing the eerie resemblance of a 1972 Hanoi Jane posing next to an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot at American service members (bottom center) to a 2006 Jeanette Rishell posing with Judy Feder and signing the utterly laughable “Declaration Of Energy Independence” (right).
Of course Jeanette Rishell might not see anything particularly disturbing about aligning herself with radical Vietnam War protesters who would wave this flag at their demonstrations. It’s kind of a popular thing among the Unity In The Community crowd which loves to advocate “peace through total surrender” at every opportunity. It’s probably a lot less popular among 50th District voters generally, which includes a significant number of voters who have a rather different view. A view that might look a lot more like this:
Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face–that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand–the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he would rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin–just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard ’round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well, it’s a simple answer after all.
You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, “There is a price we will not pay.” There is a point beyond which they must not advance. This is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater’s “peace through strength.” Winston Churchill said that “the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits–not animals.” And he said, “There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”
Hanoi Jeanette, or Jackson Miller. You get to pick one.
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THIS IS TRULY BEYOND BELIEF. You have lost all credibility with this absolutely atrocious accusation of an honest, American running for office! Red, blue and white are the colors of the American flag; stars and stripes are also part of it. You do not show the WHOLE flag, just one part of it. How you can compare and connect Ms. Rishell with Hanoi Jane is unbelievable. It seems you have a streak of cruelty that gets satisfaction from trying to destroy people.
Have you seen Macy’s logo? It’s a big, red star on their shopping bags. Now, that’s exactly what the commie Vietnamese flag looks like! Go after them! I dare you!
Greg, Im glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed how much Rishells campaign logo looked like the North Vietnamese flag. About two months ago I saw this huge Jeanette Rishell banner on top of the City Square restaurant in old town. I had to do a double take because I thought it was the Viet Commie flag.
This one puts her over the top as the worst candidate ever. How on earth could she have approved this as her campaign logo.
This is really over the top, Gregster. This race is too important and the issues are too well-delineated to devolve to the implication that Rishell consciously chose a symbol for her campaign that resembles the VC flag. Surely (note I did not call you “Shirley,” it merely sounds like it) you’ve got more reasons to give the electorate to vote for Jackson than this.
Did you read about the US Navy planning to spend millions to re-make a barracks complex because it resembles a swastika when its address is punched into Google maps?
Krutis, a small portion of that flag is obscured by the photo of Hanoi Jane, but I’m not mis-representing the flag of the VC (or more accurately stated, the National Liberation Front). If you don’t think this is the whole flag, you need to look at your history books a few more times.
If you look at Hanoi Jane’s public comments, and the positions that Unity In The Community has taken with their “Prince William Peace Project”, it’s darned hard to tell who said who, they’re so similar. Rishell was Vice-Chair for Unity In The Community, and has been their spokesperson.
I think the resemblance between Jane Fonda and Jeanette Rishell is pretty remarkable.
Greg,
All I have to say is she better not come to my house again. I’m sure my husband will give her more than an earful.
Does she realize that there is a significant number of Vietnamese that live in this area?
Judy Feder’s campaign is a joke.
Additionally, Krusty, your characterization of Jeanette Rishell being “honest” given her recent campaign mailers that included blatant, proven lies is pretty far out.
And for the record, I help “destroy” (as you put it) bad candidates for office, not “people” in general. Steve Chapman, Jeff Dion, and a few others come to mind.
C’mon man…
Greg - I said that your’re not showing Ms. Rishell’s whole flag. And why was it necessary to put in the picture of Jane Fonda? “I think the resemblance between Jane Fonda and J Rishell is pretty remarkable.” Are you talking about the way they look? If so, do you feel that because someone looks like someone, that person thinks the same way. Get real!
Give me your theory of why you think that ANYONE running for office in the USA would chose the NLF flag as a symbol! The Vietnam war ended 40 YEARS AGO!!!!!!! Tell me that you’re not out to destroy this woman any way you can!
You’re going to throw a fit because the words “for Delegate” are obscured? Give me a break.
How about you set up your own website? You can put up “the whole flag” (not that I’ve ever seen this logo printed on a ‘flag’ or banner) on it everywhere you want. I choose not to. Bite me.
Perhaps we should send in Colonel Crackpot with his rifle and National Guard uniform to protect us.
I am certain that the Rishell camp didnt create her logo to look like that flag on purpose.
It is however very ironic and just a simple misstep. Rishell is an incredibly hard worker but always seems to make simple minded mistakes.
Greg - I’m not throwing a fit or anything else. I just feel strongly that if you are referring to Ms. Rishell’s flag, you ought to show the WHOLE FLAG, not just the part that you want the antis to see. Isn’t that the honorable way to do it? If you know what that word means, that is.
P.S. Where do you want me to bite you?
This is absurd Greg. It’s not like there aren’t a hundred different legitimate things you could say against Jeanette but to come out and say she is aligning herself with the Viet Cong is absolutely beyond pale. What you are saying is that any candidate, anywhere, who has a red stripe, blue strip, and big star on their logo is a fan of the VC? How may Republicans fit in this bucket?
And everyone jumping on Greg’s bandwagon with this and not thinking critically about how ridiculous his comments are should be ashamed of yourselves.
Let’s just stick to the issues OK?
Matt - Amen to the word ABSURD!
Whatever turns her ‘ON’!
Matt,
If this was a mistake, and it could have been, it’s quite a whopper of a mistake. Who in their right mind would fashion their campaign logo to resemble the flag of the National Liberation Front of Vietnam?
This is a little wacky. Comparing anyone to Fonda is a very serious charge - not unlike the goofies on the left who screech out Brown Shirts and Nazis at every opportunity.
I don’t see the connection in the flags - and I am a Viet Nam era former Marine.
If you have Jane Fonda, Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar all in a room together and only have two bullets - what do you do?
Shoot Fonda twice.
Greg (to Matt) - Red, white and blue plus stars and stripes. If that isn’t American, what is? As for the design - wasn’t it Reagan who said “mistakes were made”. It happens and as the saying goes “to err is human”. Cut her some slack, for pete’s sake.
Greg, just like JM, you’ve jumped the shark with this deconstruction of Rishell’s sign (remember, deconstruction — like progressive taxation — is a Marxist exercise).
Oh, I forgot “… to forgive is devine.”
“If you have Jane Fonda, Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar all in a room together and only have two bullets - what do you do?”
Depends on the gun.
Greg:
I would agree that this would have been a mistake if her sign was an exact duplicate of the VC flag; same colors, same gold star in the middle, etc. This sign isn’t a replica; it is red white and blue - USA all the way. It is you who have made the whopper of a mistake and unfortunately have lost some credibility here.
Like I said, JR has made severe mistakes this cycle; focus on those and don’t invent others.
All I know is that I am going to put on my tin-foil hat so that the Viet-cong won’t be able to control my brain with their Commie Rays. Oh wait, it’s too late….
Now, could I interest you in a discussion about the Dictatorship of the Proletariat?
To those of us who had fathers, brothers, husbands, friends and boyfriends in harm’s way during the Vietnam War, this is just downright offensive and trivializes the damage done by the real ‘Hanoi Jane.’
Shame on me for leaving out the female counterparts of those listed above.
There are some of us who will never forgive and never forget, especially those of us who are old enough to remember, rather than just reading about her in a book.
dolph - You do not seriously believe that this candidate for office would knowingly have used the NLF flag, do you? You can’t be that dumb. Greg is so cruel, I can’t believe it, and I can’t believe that his followers, if they have any intelligence, would go along with his totally unbelievable opening statement.
Tell me why you think she would knowingly have done it? I asked Greg the same question. DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE IT?
Do you think she is trying to pander to communists, or what?
Greg has reached nadir (I hope).
I am not voting for her because she is not serious about eliminating the illegal alien issue. Still no response regarding endorsing 287g enrollment!
AWESOME! Bravo to Greg in pointing out that Rishell is Marxist not only in her positions, but in her symbology as well. Those of us who have known Rishell for years would agree, she is only nominally Democrat, more akin to socialist. She can’t show you how “red” she is on the inside, rather, she choses to come across as “pink”. She’s not fooling anybody.
Those of you who don’t see the ties of today’s hard-left dems to marxism need to pull your heads out of the sand. Communism didn’t die when the wall came down. It is alive and well in our universities, at the daily kos, and in our media.
Oh, the only “shark jumping” going on is being doen by James Young. James is the Evil Kenivel of aquatic creatures!
You disgust me Greg. I don’t support Rishell, but the fact that you would so ridiculously twist this and use the sacrifice of our men and women in the Vietnam War for your own partisan ends is reprehensible.
Of course I don’t think that. Perhaps I need to get out my baseball bat for those who don’t get subtlety?
For the record, I follow no one. I find the comparison a stretch and grasping at straws when there really is no need to do so. I see no reason to swiftboat Rishell. If her opponent is worthy, then his record should stand alone.
Why would anyone chose the Vietnam Flag as their logo? That makes absolutely no sense. Furthermore, why would anyone think to even check it out. A white star on red and blue is hardly an anomaly during the political season. Stars, stripes, red, white and blue? Sounds perfectly normal to me.
Mr. or Ms. K, perhaps you haven’t noticed but I have not been one of your attackers. You seriously do not want to mess with me. I am not going to get into the bantering that you seem to enjoy.
Game over.
I think Rishell is hot
Leave it to Josh to bring a little levity to the table when we all start taking ourselves too seriously. Thanks Josh.
dolph - I’m at a loss to understand what you mean by “You seriously do not want to mess with me.” A threat? I don’t want to mess with anyone, and I don’t really understand what you mean by “messing with me”.
We seem to be on the same wave length on this subject. And I’m not bantering one bit. I feel that no matter what you think about a candidate, you do not abase him/her the way Greg has done. It’s no game to her, I’m sure, nor is it to me. And I agree that Rushell’s opponent’s record should stand alone. Definitely!
I hope that, somehow, Greg will have to eat his words on this subject. He went beyond common decency, IMO.
I thin k this is Greg’s website so he can say whatever he wants. I think he is reading too much into this issue but hey he is paying for this blog (it doesn’t make it right but…)
One only needs to look at Rishell’s religion, as noted on her website, to see what they believe in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
They pride themselves on being liberals.
http://www.uua.org/visitors/index.shtml
I love this website because it reveals a lot. Haven’t you all noticed that the immigrant population in Manassas and Prince william County has stabilized? And, further, that not one of Jackson Miller’s anti-immigration bills passed in a Republican body? (I’m not talking about a study committee.) Isn’t it ironic that you all are so anti-Rishell when your own petboy is impotent! You all want a police action rather than any sense of creativity or civil discourse. You people are eager to act out and believe that Jackson Miller is your Messiah. Forget it. You need a reality check!
Well, let’s see, there are three elements to the NV flag — a light blue stripe, a yellow star in the middle, and a red stripe. Jeanette’s logo also has three elements, a blue stripe, a white star on the side, and a red stripe. Well, those red stripes align. One out of three ain’t bad. By Greg logic, Betsy Ross’s flag design also is dangerously close to the NV flag. Too bad George Washington didn’t pick this out — Hanoi Betty was anticipating what was going to happen and was working on advance subversion. There are only 8 million pollitical logos in the history of this country that have worked with the same elements Jeannett’s logo has worked with and, in all that time, only one peron has seen the NV flag. As for Matt, please shut up. I know that isn’t nice, but when you’ve managed a campaign, you are not supposed to go bad mouthing the candidate you worked for. Your half hearted attempt to defend Jeannett here was just an excuse to note all her other mistakes. I’m not surprised you’ve done this, but it is stil disappointing.
YOU people, YOU ALL, hmmmm, watch that broad brush. YOU are doing exactly what you are accusing the people on here of doing.
I do not recall saying I would support either candidate anywhere on this blog. Nor have I trashed either of them.
Dolph: I’m sorry but it is disturbing that the subject seems to be to demean Jeanette Rishell. Criticizing her views is one thing. By demeaning her, the argument loses its effectiveness. I have said many times before: The facts should speak for more than simple beliefs. I have asked this blog many times how many illegals are there in the 50th district? Why did Jackson Miller write and sponsor legislation that was dead on arrival? All of this is done to please the readers of this blog. You can’t expect to pass “illegal” laws. I think it’s time for a different point of view to solve the problem. I know the kinder gentler approach isn’t part of the mindset of this blog, but Jackson Miller has done nothing, nada, nil, zero. How could you possibly lose by voting for Rishell? Greg’s blog? Yes. He seems a little young to have been in Viet Nam or even exposed on a personal level to those times like some of us. Signs of a troubled mind and little self-respect.
Jackson Miller got his bills passed in the House, from what I understand. It was the Senate that zapped them.
If you look close you can see big foot in the back ground
Paranoia will destroy ya
This is what happens when the blog is bigger than the man
That North Vietnamese flag shown was the flag used in the territory of South Vietnam by the North Vietnamese government for a grand total of one year.
Of course she should have used better judgement. She is guilty of that and likely more. However, the level of cruel glee shown in this post and the one on Colgan is becoming a disturbing pattern….
Hope everyone read the buisness section today.
You can check out what happened to the bills. One passed in the house (churches/charities prohibited from providing assistance to illegal immigrants). The rest of all of the bills were all dead. Using the churches to gain support? Great idea! I can imagine a law that would make it illegal to sell anything to illegal immigrants. This is why another voice might be more productive. That’s all I’m saying.
“If you have Jane Fonda, Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar all in a room together and only have two bullets - what do you do?”
You line em up in front of each other!
patryot, most of Millers bills on immigration were rolled into more senior members of the legislature’s bills (as is the custom) as they were very similar.
I love the way you completely misrepresent what Millers bill did - “(churches/charities prohibited from providing assistanceto illegal immigrants).”
You know very well his bill did no such thing. His bill had no prohibition of churches or charities providing assistance to anyone. The bill simply stated that no organization may use “TAX PAYERS DOLLARS” for illegal aliens. Not such a radical idea really. Unless of course you are Jeanette Rishell.
You must be the one who designed Rishell’s mail. Its the same theme.
Is this really the best you can do to take down the Rishell campaign? Come on! The Viet Cong flag has a light blue stripe. Rishell’s logo use navy blue. The Viet Cong star is yellow/gold. Rishell’s is white. The Viet Cong star is centered on the flag. Rishell’s is flush left. Well, the red stripes match…
You do your credibility a great disservice when you sink to this kind of garbage.
Due to the nasty mail that little Vulcan/Elf hybrid has been filling my mailbax with, she deserves anything she gets.
You know, I looked at that an immediately thought she was trying to make some link to the Lone Star State. Is she a Texan? Does she think we should be Texans? I was puzzled. But I am quantum leaps more puzzled by the idea that this is a VC emblem. What the devil is the link between the VC and Texas? What am I missing?
I’m more shocked that she put black lettering on a red background. That is so gauche!!!
She looks like Bucky Beaver in that photo.
It’s a code…she’s really the VC manchurian candidate…she’s flashing the underground Vietnamese who have built tunnels all the way under the pacific into texas. They’ve been tunneling since the end of the Vietnam war and they’re finally ready. Remeber Vietnam is a poor country so they’ve had to dig with left over c-ration cans from the war.The plan is that the VC come out of the ground all over texas with these flags. Since it’s so close to the texas flag, no one will realize until it’s too late. She’s ordered the VC to wear oversized texas hats so they’re not easily noticed…and since everyone kinda mumbles when they talk in texas, no one will be able to tell from hearing them talk.
After the VC have taken over the texas capital, they will declare Texas an independent country. Deep down inside, Texans have wanted to be an independent country since forever, so they will quickly overlook the fact the the new guys in charge look kinda differnt and mumble in a more high pitched meowish kinda way.
But Then the real goal of her paln will come to light when Mexico, seeing Texas isolated, shows herself to be the bully she has always been and tries to reclaim mexico by force. This will touch off a war between Vietnam and Mexico with the fledgling Texas caught in the middle. The chinese will coome to the aid of Vietnam and nuke Mexico. The resulting drastic decline in population in Mexico will mean tons of jobs waiting to be filled in Mexico. Over night, all the illegals will go back to Mexico and Jeanette will be able to claim that she single handedly solved the whole immigration problem…unless Greg gets in the way and screws it all up.
While I agree the flag looks only slightly like the Viet Cong flag, I think that Rishell compares to Fonda in a more important way.
Like Fonda, she has given aid, in the form of fundraising for MSF, and comfort, by way on speaking publicly on behalf of MSF, to a large illegal invasion. Then she tells lies about someone who is trying to fight the invaders and make Jackson Miller out to be the bad guy, much the way Fonda told lies about supposed American atrocites and lack of torture by the VC. All the while she thinks she can hold onto her a wholesome, likeable all American girl image and we are just supposed to forget the way she has supported criminals. It’s obvious she has little respect for the voter when she works so hard against the laws we respect and lies to us about her record and Jackson’s.
I don’t care so much about the slight resemblance in symbols, but her actions are so outrageous.
Fact: Jeantte Rishell does not support 287g Jackson Miller supports 287g
Fact: Jackson Miller introduced bills to crack down on illegal aliens Jeanette Rishell only wanted to establish livability courts which does nothing except establish another level of bureaucracy that will do nothing
Fact: Jackson Miller is a police officer who cares about my neighborhood. He has done a lot to clean up my community. Jeanette Rishell is a member of Unity of the Community and helps raise funds for illegal aliens.
Patryot and Krutis wouldn’t know truth even if it bit them in the face. Patryot and Krutis are not worth responding to directly. They have nothing to offer except to propagate lies.
Patty said on 2 Oct 2007 at 9:12 am:
“Fact: Jeantte Rishell does not support 287g Jackson Miller supports 287g
Fact: Jackson Miller introduced bills to crack down on illegal aliens Jeanette Rishell only wanted to establish livability courts which does nothing except establish another level of bureaucracy that will do nothing
Fact: Jackson Miller is a police officer who cares about my neighborhood. He has done a lot to clean up my community. Jeanette Rishell is a member of Unity of the Community and helps raise funds for illegal aliens.”
Well there you have it folks! She won’t get my vote!
I don’t understand why continuously in this blog, Greg grasps at straws. The flag appears ultra-American, in fact it resembles the Texas state flag more than the VC. The star isn’t even centered as it is on the Viet Cong flag (at least as far as one can tell since Greg distorts the image by not showing it entirely). The color scheme is obviously Americana. As for the politician’s resemblance to a movie star in her prime, give me a break. She doesn’t look like Jane Fonda at all except for perhaps length of hair and isn’t posed the same way. And if she were, if she were a ringer physically for the actress, so what? How would that possibly be relevant unless she had plastic surgery to become a body double and therefore showed intent.
My question is why does Greg make such analogies. It almost seems like the fevered imaginings of a 3 am blog composition. It is so ludicrous to think that Rishell was inspired by the VC flag or even knew what that looked like. Her flag resembles a lot of other flags more.
For whatever reason, Greg seems to be unable to avoid impulses from time to time that damage the political, journalistic, and common-sense credibility of BVBL.
“If you have Jane Fonda, Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar all in a room together and only have two bullets - what do you do?”
Why, you line them up, shoot just once, then as the Soviets of old, you bill each of their families for the bullet that was used. The 2nd bullet? Well that’s a bonus since it was just one shot, one kill. Save it for either target practice of the next lib of the day - how about that scum fake soldier Rush talked about or any member of MoveOn.org or the ACLU???
Ok, people, come on now DON’T you all have a clue??? Instead of reading the Communist Manefesto back in High School you SHOULD HAVE been paying attention to your English teacher. What Greg meant was NOT that Jeanette looks like Hanoi Jane physically, but her action does. That’s like saying that Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and the like look a lot like the KKK, just the “Klan with a Tan”, so to say. And no, that was NOT a quote made up by me, rather by an esteemed Professor now (at least I believe he still instructs there) at George Mason University.
Jeanette’s flag is red on the top, blue on the bottom, and there is a star there…VERY similar to the VC logo. Remember girls, guys only see the PRIMARY colors so don’t tell GL or myself that one of the blues is Aqua or something like that
Another picture is HJ sitting at an anti-aircraft gun - if EVER there is a reason to hang/shoot her, THAT picture is it. Next to it Greg posts a picture of Jeanette squatting (and by the way holding her hands in very much the same way as HJs) by a sign that, though not as despictable, just as eye catching.
Greg did NOTHING WRONG in showing this. A lot of times people do things subconsciously and THAT is how we find out their TRUE beliefs and values. If THIS was the ONLY thing Greg ever got Jeanette on, THEN you supporters of Jeanette (Krutis and Leila, for example) MIGHT have a good argument, though it would fall on deaf ears as again, Greg is NOT a journalist, rather a Blogger…he writes about that which interest him and he believes will interest others and we, his readers comment.
Me thinks that there are some on here who just need to get a life as well as a sense of humor. Greg, good job in pointing these similarities out - maybe next time we should have numbers next to each item with it FULLY explained for the mentally/politically challenged.
Would that be the same ACLU that takes cases to make sure you have the right to say the repugnant things you just posted?
Advocating the murder of “libs”…yeah, that’s the height of reasoned discourse.
Leila–
Greg posts such things because it feeds the rabid appetites of those like “The Patriot” and John Light. Gotta give the fawning masses some red meat every now and then to keep them happy.
If you’ve never been to war, you can’t possibly understand what an insult a person like Jeanette is to veterans and anyone who understands the human COST of war. People who claim that war is unecessary (from the safety and comfort of their living room), that in some way associate themselves with war material for political gain are SICK, SICK people who only care about themselves. It’s an insult to anyone who paid the price for her freedom, for her to now reap the benefits of it while betraying what those lives really stood for as a demeaning campaign strategy. Jane Fonda never understood it either. War is sometimes necessary to protect even the sorriest excuse for an American from the misery of future harm and invasion, and oppresive dictatorial government. That is what that flag represents.
Jeanette you are an insensitive idiot.
Anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 4:07 pm:
“Leila– Greg posts such things because it feeds the rabid appetites of those like “The Patriot” and John Light. Gotta give the fawning masses some red meat every now and then to keep them happy.”
I am so honored to have been called out by someone who does not even have the cranal abilities to come up with a pseudonym, least of all use their real name. Yes, it is true, I am a meat eater. I also attended a once all male college and served in the U.S. Infantry as a Platoon Leader and am Airborne and Air Assault qualified, which means that my knuckles drag on my way to the “He Man Women’s Hater Club.”
Please, next time you wish you make a disparaging remark about “The Patriot” or myself, attempt to actually say something that would POSSIBLY give you credability. I mean, really, “fawning masses”??? Come on, we BOTH have been called worse by better people than you.
If you do wish to expand your vocabulary, I would suggest to first stop being a vegan. Then, volunteer for the Nation’s Armed Services - MAYBE one of them will take you, but you will have to do a certain amount of pushups (after seeing Faisal Gill, you may do well to try the Navy, they will take anyone these days, lol). Afterwards, while in Basic Training, keep mental note of everything you are called by the nice, friendly Drill Instructors. You will be taking your first steps towards being a LOYAL American.
If age prohibits you from becoming a Vet - you can’t be THAT old, otherwise you WOULD have thought of something better to call us, then wath the first 15 minutes of “Full Metal Jacket” or “The Boys from Company C”. After you are done, walk up to a Veteran, apologize for your up-until that moment wasted life, and then feel free to agree to disagree with Greg, “The Patriot”, or myself.
Have a nice day and don’t worry, I won’t charge you anything for this lesson. You are now a better person, Anonymous, than you were 2 minutes ago.
Anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007: That would be the same ACLU that does everything in its power to keep DOWN Christianity, American values, etc and espouse it’s own godless beliefs on the rest of us thru leftwing nutjob judges who legislate from the bench rather than interpret the Constitution.
The summary execution of traitors, in times of war, is a right of a just government. Last time I checked, the actions of Jane Fonda and most Liberals today fall under those lines. Unfortunately, providing aid and comfort to the enemy, as you are so willing to do, has become acceptable, thanks to your friend Bill “I never met an intern I did not like” Clinton.
John Light said on 3 Oct 2007 at 12:38 pm:
“The summary execution of traitors, in times of war, is a right of a just government. Last time I checked, the actions of Jane Fonda and most Liberals today fall under those lines.”
Speaking of interpreting the Constitution, please, sir, enlighten me as to which part of our Constitution makes this so? Article III defines treason very precisely and doesn’t include anything about “summary execution” (”Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.” Article III, Section 3). In fact, the Constitutional definition of treason was written precisely to keep Congress from being able to extend the definition of treason beyond the narrow scope laid out in Article III. Debate in the Constitutional Convention, during ratification, and public commentary from the time make clear that a restrictive concept of the crime of treason was imposed so that ordinary partisan divisions within political society were not to be escalated by the stronger into capital charges of treason, as so often had happened in England. English law made it treason to “encompass or imagine the death of our Lord King.” This element of treason is intentionally omitted from the US Constitution as it was used to suppress opposition and render simple political dissent as punishable by death.
It is, in my mind, those who believe that all must in lock step behind our leader who threaten the fiber of this nation. There is a world of difference between a traitor and a dissenter.
I, sir, love my country and am proud to be a citizen of the United States of America. I did not serve in the Armed Forces, but I would lay down my life to defend the American ideal of opportunity, equality, and justice espoused in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. I will fight till my dying breath to protect our great nation from any who would seek to do her harm, either from outside or from within. I, therefore, find your cavalier sentiment that all who do not ascribe to your limited world view are inferior and enemies of the state worthy of execution. Your blanket statement that most Liberals are traitors fully contradicts the tenets upon which this great nation was founded. We are a nation formed by people of all different creeds, beliefs, and backgrounds. We have long drawn our strength from being able to bring all those ideas together and moving forward. Our strength does not come from suppressing dissent and mandating compliance.
I will call to your attention that we live in a democracy founded under the tenet of government by, for, and of the people. I will also call to your attention that the Bill of Right guarantees a set of individual and personal rights that don’t come with strings attached or a requirement to never question those in power. Questioning one’s leaders does not constitute “treason” in a democracy. Espousing a political viewpoint contrary to yours does not constitute treason. In fact, reasoned dissent and its attendant discourse are the very foundations of the democratic ideal.
I thank you for your service and sacrifice while you wore the uniform of the armed forces of the United States of America, but that service does not entitle you to belittle or diminish the rights granted by our Founding Fathers for those you find in disagreement to your narrow point of view. Advocating the political dissent be dealt with through a firing squad is repugnant.
Oh, and it is interesting to note that in some countries your belittling of a former President would be consider treasonous as well. Funny how your logic only seems to work in one direction.
John Light, apart from always being gratuitously insulting (your reference to the mentally and physically challenged) you also seem to enjoy being inaccurate. I am not a supporter of Ms. Rishell’s as you have inaccurately claimed. Nothing in what I posted suggests that I am. I don’t live in the community where she is running her race and only have learned of her through this blog and other media.
Greg’s analogy is still ludicrous, as is your constant call for executing people who disagree with you.
Leila, unless you committed an act of treason against the U.S. govt, you do not have to worry about me wanting you executed. Or, if you are a child molestor or criminal, all of which I do not believe you are.
Turn PW Blue: You write “I will fight till my dying breath to protect our great nation from any who would seek to do her harm, either from outside or from within. I, therefore, find your cavalier sentiment that all who do not ascribe to your limited world view are inferior and enemies of the state worthy of execution.”
Ok, prove it, big boy. You SAY you will fight till your dying breath - do it. Enlist RIGHT NOW. The Taliban is doing all in their power to do us harm, both from within as well as overseas. I served my country proud, I have walked the walk and talked the talk. Been there, done that. What have YOU done.
As far as the Constitution, your limited capacity, as well as lack of knowledge in American History (you must be new to this country), prove you know not of what you speak. Traitors in time past HAVE BEEN EXECUTED. I know you do not like that because you share their beliefs, but it is true. I did not make those laws, go after the founding fathers, not me, buddy.
Again, I am NOT saying to kill those who do not agree with me…I do, however, believe in the death penalty and for its execution against traitors such as Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton. And trust me, I am in the VAST majority on that one. Just ask anyone who had a stay at the Hanoi Hilton.
BlueBalls, you also write, “Oh, and it is interesting to note that in some countries your belittling of a former President would be consider treasonous as well. Funny how your logic only seems to work in one direction.”
You know, you may be right, but we are NOT in “SOME” countries, my misguided friend, we are in The United States of America…or did you think you were still in your home country of Mexico???
John Light - Not everyone is able to serve in the same way. ‘ENLIST NOW’! There’s a hint in your comment that you feel superior to those who haven’t been in the military; a rather big ego, iow. As my kids used to say when a buddy got a big head: “Why don’t you fly to Miami!”
Since you’re so gungho on the military; Would you like to see the draft restored; not a lottery but for everybody, men and women? Equality! - As for liberals being traitors. I’ll forgive that statement. You must have been in your cups (coffee, of course).
Krutis - no thanks in Miami, am in Rio and much prefer here - more people speak English here. Alos, NOT feeling superior or big ego, I AM confident. The comment was directed because the commentor stated that he was willing to die for his country - I told him how he could serve, that was all.
So, what is wrong about being “gungho on the military”???
Krutis, as a follow-up. I believe it was Anonymous who had said those comments about willing to defend America if attacked, if someone else, I apologize. Anyways, it is REAL easy to say that and then when the time comes, do NOTHING (emphasis, not yelling). To me that is hypocracy. I have done something, I served, and proudly, I might add. It’s those people who SAY they will fight the good fight and then when provided the opportunity, instead of stepping up to bat, they come up with every excuse NOT to go.
Hey, how is Copacabana? Have you seen the Girl from Ipenema (sp?)? Loved Nat King Cole singing that one. Have been to Santiago and Buenos Aires but not Rio. How’s is your Portuguese coming along?
Krutis,
Have not “been” to Copacabana, just drive thru it to get to work each day. I am staying at Ipenema. That being said, nothing much going on here afterhours (at least in Ipenema), unless, of course, you are willing to go to the Mall and pay R$15,000 for a watch or US$9.00 for a Coke out of the hotel fridge - lol.
I have not been to Santiago or Buenos Aires, but a few years ago had been to Honduras. And no, unfortunately I do not speak Portugese other than “Bon dia” and “Obrigado”
I usually try and learn the language of the country I visit, but when my boys’ soccer team folded, that was put on back burner for the kids.
Weather down here is beautiful and of course, windy around mid-day.
Do you drive yourself to work? I’ve heard that traffic is horrendous in Rio, but after NOVA maybe it isn’t so bad! I’m curious as to your work down there. What’s you line? Do you get to any football (soccer) games? I had the good fortune to attend one in Buenos Aires. Storm troupers in helmets and carrying shields walked onto the field before the game started. My plastic water bottle was confiscated - possible missile! It was great fun though, and those So Americans can really play.
Thanks for the report!
PS What did you mean by “my boys’ soccer team folded”?
Sorry - they were RIOT POLICE.