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By Greg L | 2 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 115 Comments
Today’s meeting of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors will feature a vote during Supervisor’s Time to endorse the police department’s recommended standards of probable cause for their interactions with suspected illegal aliens, (update: and also restrictions of taxpayer-funded services to illegal aliens) a week earlier than I expected. The illegal alien lobby has been hard at work and apparently has gotten their grubby hands on a couple of Supervisors who previously were pretty solid on this issue. Right now it’s time to pile on and make sure that these Supervisors vote the way their constituents would want.
UPDATE: Supervisor Wally Covington is complaining that actually enforcing the law requires too much of an investment. This is surprising, since he’s been the lead in demonstrating the costs that illegal aliens impose on the county, and should be among the first to grasp the positive benefits of having an effective deterrent to having illegal aliens unlawfully reside in our county.
Call Wally Covington’s office at (703) 792-6190 and tell him to keep his commitment to protect our community from criminal illegal aliens.
Supervisor Marty Nohe has sought to stake out a political middle ground on a lot of issues, and generally has been on the right side of this issue. Apparently there’s some concern that it might be too expensive to deter illegal aliens from unlawfully residing in our communities and using county services. He doesn’t seem to fully understand the costs that illegal aliens are imposing on the taxpayer, and the benefits that will accrue if we can encourage them to reside elsewhere.
Call Marty Nohe’s office at 703-792-4620 and tell him he needs to support the Police Department’s plan.
Supervisor Maureen Caddigan similarly is complaining about the costs of enforcing our laws and is joining in Supervisor Jenkin’s dire and ridiculous assertion that effective law enforcement will require a raise of the tax rate by $0.15 per $100 of assessed value. She’s been concerned about the illegal alien issue in the past, but apparently isn’t concerned enough to believe that it actually warrants directing resources to combat the problem.
Call Maureen Caddigan’s office at 703-792-4645 and tell her that she needs to support the Police Department’s plan.
Supervisor John Jenkins is compounding his math errors by continuing to cling to them long after many others have recognized they’re inaccurate. Since he has the least to lose by taking a position that is contrary to the wishes of his constituents, he’s taken up the mantle of ringleader for the illegal alien lobby on this. Although he supported the recent policy change, he doesn’t seem to be very interested in actually doing anything.
John Jenkins is pretty much a lost cause here.
Supervisor Hilda Barg has apparently determined that since her chosen successor Frank Principi has already staked out a position favorable to illegal aliens, there’s not much harm in continuing to demonstrate that the legacy she wishes to bequeath to him is one of being soft on illegal aliens. It’s not much of a surprise that she would want to oppose any reasonable attempts to actually address this problem.
Don’t bother with Barg, but remember that you have a choice in November between a strong supporter of reasonable efforts to reduce the number of illegal aliens in Chris Royse, or someone who wants to continue Barg’s nonsensical policies, Frank Principi. Make Principi pay for aligning himself with Barg’s defense of the interests of illegal aliens at the ballot box this November.
UPDATE: Here is the resolution that will be considered today. It not only covers the police department’s efforts, but the county services component as well. This is THE implementing vehicle for the policy that was adopted on July 10th.
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Is there any use in Manassas City residents calling? Although, the City has their own agenda, any steps PWC takes will impact the City. Many Manassas City residents are counting on PWC following through with their plans in the hopes that the City follows suit. PWC we are counting on you.
4kidsnadog. I called all three. The staff answering the phone for Covington and Caddigan took my name and residence (Manassas City) and said they would inform the Supervisors. I had to leave a message for Nohe.
Might be worth effort!
If you’re a Manassas City resident, this does affect you since the Manassas City Council intends to harmonize it’s policies with those of Prince William once the implementation details have been established. Leadership in Prince William County, or lack thereof, definitely has a strong impact on you.
Well, well, well! Just as I suspected! All talk and NO ACTION from our “pandering” supervisors! All those supervisors that turn their backs on us on this illegal alien issue will NOT get my vote! Maybe those of you that will be attending citizens time might mention this fact. I know some of you are sensitive in bringing issues up to our “so-called honorable” supervisors, but it is time to put pc aside and tactfully let them know we all mean business and that we expect results from the government WE THE PEOPLE own (not our pandering supervisors!).
Keokuk, Thanks for the info. If PWC is wise they will consider what Manassas City residents want. City resident often relocate to the county. Those who relocate will remember who caved and who didn’t.
What is the master e-mail list for the BOCs?
Greg, is there a way to publish location of their offices for those of us who are out and about can drop in and make them see us and deal with us.
I called and emailed Nohe.
I don’t get it. I’ve never seen a politician not want to spend [our] money. Now they’re concerned.
Good grief.
If the $$ was to implement more programs for illegals, they wouldn’t bat an eye.
For full contact information on the supervisors, you might want to check this out:
http://helpsavemanassas.org/electeds.php
Patriot: Hilda Barg , Maureen Caddigan , Wally Covington , John Jenkins , Mike May , Marty Nohe , Corey Stewart , John Stirrup
I’ll try again.
hbarg@pwcgov.org, mcaddigan@pwcgov.org, wcovington@pwcgov.org, jjenkins@pwcgov.org, mcmay@pwcgov.org, mnohe@pwcgov.org, cstewart@pwcgov.org, gainesville@pwcgov.org
Thanks! I just sent them an e-mail. I also let them know that all candidates up for election will be measured on how they handle the illegal immigration situation which is our nation’s number one issue.
Why is there not going to be a public vote on this? From the agenda it looks they will vote in a closed session on this at the end of the 2pm session.
Call and get your neighbors to call.
Go to the meeting! This is imperative!
On some national forums, PWC made headlines for being “tough” on illegal immigration! This will serve to make our county and supervisors look like fools! I think someone should mention this at citizens time! Someone should also mention that other states and localities are taking action….therefore, our county is nothing but talk and no action! That does not look good!
I WAS JUST AT THE MCCOART BLDG. THE PLACE IS OVERRUN WITH MEXICANSO SIN FRONTERAS SUPPORTERS! I GUESS THIS IS THEIR “ALAMO”!
Wow! I guess all of those “hard working” people are hard at work?
This is what I just received from Jenkins:
“Thank you for contacting me on the illegal immigration issue. I am working with my fellow board members to develop policies and legislation to help deal with this problem at the county level. I believe that the federal government must close our borders to illegal immigration and that all illegal immigrants must be returned to their homes of record as soon as possible. Please contact your State Delegates and Senators and your US Congressmen and US Senators and ask their assistance with legislation which will help us to deal with the problem. Contact information for your state and federal elected representatives is as follows:
…[list of Federal elected officials]
JOHN D. JENKINS, Neabsco District Supervisor”
Clearly passing the buck on this one!
Thank goodness cooler heads are beginning to prevail. We will never get this issue resolved unless we slow down, cool down the rhetoric, and work together to correct these problems.
This requires getting together and talking about illegal immigration in a forum — having a real dialog — allowing all sides to view their concerns. This has not been done except during citizen’s time at the meetings of the BOCS. If our BOCS is serious about this issue, they will act to create this forum.
This also requires representatives from various ethnic groups, community groups such as Unity in the Community, churches, and private citizens contacting our local congressmen and working with Congress to change the laws in the long term, and in the short term, provide funding to enforce the laws we now have on the books.
I urge you all to contact members of the board of supervisors and tell them you want a community forum on the issue of illegal immigration.
We can’t have a community forum because there’s no sense of community left due to the destructive auspices of illegal immigration.
Joshua, we don’t need a forum to discuss the devastation we know comes as a result of illegal immigration. Our existing laws are just fine as they are (the time it takes to go through the legal process is “part of the process”). We have moved beyond discussions. Now we need action. Other states are doing it, it is our turn to start walking the walk. 1986 amnesty should be a lessons learned.
Making it through the legal process should be a “prize” not an entitlement!
Hey Josh:
Move to Arlington or DC. They got fora for you.
You can see where we stand today. About a month ago the AFLCIO and the ACLU filed suit in San Francisco (9th circuit court) to stop the federal government (social security and homeland security) for implementing a program whereby employers had to check the ssn of new hires and if there was a dispute in matching the ss numbers, they employer had 90 days to resolve the discrepancy or fire the employee. The court (a judge) put a hold on implementing the program and yesterday (1 Oct.) extended the hold another 10 days. As you can see, now even the federal government cannot enforce the laws on the books against illegal immigration. Where does that leave this country? Last American citizen turn out the lights!
America is over.
Anarchy is coming.
Every man for himself.
Prepare.
Turn on channel 23 and listen to some of these clowns against the resolution. Very few are from Prince William County. I haven’t seen so many hippies since the Dead show at Nissan a few years ago.
What does it take to fire Gerhart and Deane?
Gainesville Resident:
“Turn on channel 23 and listen to some of these clowns against the resolution.”
I’ve been watching for an hour. What a waste of an hour!
I’ve been listening for 2 1/2 hours. All it has done is make me more mad.
We are getting very close to the point where the thinking people of society need to go on strike and let everything collapse around them.
Rashness will get you nowhere fast.
The Patriot,
I reminded the PWBOS, that they ALL voted for the resolution on 7/10/07, and to hear now that some might not be in favor of the resolution due to costs is not acceptable. I reminded them we can’t put a pricetag on the loss of qualitiy of life. I told them my family is 4 generations strong in the county, and I know many other families that feel the same way about the resolution(100% support of it). I told them they have the support of the legal voting citizens their constinuents that they were elected to represent. I’ll be back at 7:30Citizen’s time too.
All
The resolution must be working, I was stricken from jury duty today in Alexandria (The Federal Court for Eastern Virginia). The case was a deportation case of an ILLEGAL ALIEN, from PWC!!! I told the PWCBOS this very thing.
Gainesville Resident,
There were plenty of clowns there. It’s an emotionally charged issue for me, but to see grown men crying. Puleez!!
So what is the verdict is the resolution in jeopardy?
I heard someone say people are afraid to send their kids to school. I guess that’s why I see so many school aged kids running around during school hours. I told the PWCBOS, that there’s yet another way illegals continue to break our laws. We are required by law to educate children, and by the same token all parents/guardians are required by law to send their children to school. I’ll ask this again, where are the Truant Officers?
Nancy Lyall said there’d been 7,000 letters sent to the PWCBOS, and I told the PWCBOS, I wonder how many of those letters are from legal citizens and how many are from ILLEGAL ALIENS?Hmmm
What’s going on with Nohe? He needs to vote to pass this, if he has any aspirations of higher office, he needs to be on the right side of this issue. The NVTA thing is a millstone around his neck. He can’t afford another.
Good job Greg!
Caddigan (sp?) mentioned you by name and Nohe mentioned a ‘popular blog site in PWC’ (paraphrase). No doubt this one.
They’re backtracking.
THE BOC READS THIS SITE!
What I can’t understand is, WHAT THE DEVIL IS WRONG WITH THE CONCEPT OF ENFORCING THE LAW? Why is this so alien to these people who call themselves Americans with a straight face?
uh, that would be the BOCS (Board of County Supervisors). My bad.
AWCheney:
It’s all about money to them. Not legal vs illegal.
Illegal but not tender!
Well, you know what they say about what talks and what walks.
And what does any county board member get his or her feet held to the fire over? Increased taxes. I commend them for stepping back for a week or two to look at the fiscal reality of the situation before obligating us to huge increases in taxes.
Mmmm…tender. Like a 4 pound porkloin smoked for 6 hours at low heat with garlic and onions. Awwwwwwww.
Sorry, off topic. Heading to the smoker…
Huge increases? The huge increases we are currently facing are a result of the illegal influx. You’re really divorced from reality dolph if you do not see that.
This place either becomes a bilingual ghetto, or the illegals move elsewhere. People like me aren’t going to bear the burden of schools and emergency rooms for people living 10 to a house, i.e. 10 to one property tax bill.
I will not subsidize lawlessness, and the degradation of my community. It’s not an option.
Even if they increase our real estate taxes,(for example) the problem that I see, is that our assessments are falling big time. It will be reflected in our next tax bill. If they increase our real estate tax and the assessments fall (and they will) where would there be extra money?
Correction , not our next tax bill due December 5th…next years tax assessments, which do not come out until around May and due in July.
Rick, the math is the reality. It is a rather unemotional discipline.
As Ms. Redawn says, we are looking at some rather harsh economics country-wide. I would rather those we elect take some time to closely examine what is feasible and what is not rahter than fly off the handle and vote for something with no regard as to who is going to pay for it.
No where have I said the illegal situation isn’t important. It is. But the illegal situation does not exist in a vacuum.
You know what the problem is with all you jokers? You are just upset cause the lilly white faces of the Manassas area is changing. You are not against illegal immigrants. You are against all immigrants-Hispanic immigrants. The more urban the area becomes the more the face of the community will change. If you don’t like it and if you are all that upset then move someplace else. Everyone including illegals pay real estate taxes. If they own the home, which is not too likely, they pay. If they rent they pay taxes indirectly through their rents. They buy goods and pay sales tax and pay personal property tax. Many, many pay Federal and State tax. Why don’t you guys just roll up the crying towels? Looks like the resolution will be defeated or at least watered down.
If enforcement of this resolution is defeated, ANY supervisor who votes against it should be held accountable. It is only too bad that those who are waivering are unopposed next month…
Why have they not ALREADY thought about where the money would come from and have a solution, just as Charlie had his deadline?
Is this a ploy for votes? I am starting to wonder……..
Red pen coming out….
lily white faces…ARE…changing.
Everyone ….PAYS real estate taxes
Many, many pay Federal and State tax - not a sentence
Don’t come in here to kick my butt until you learn how to write correctly.
As for the resolution, don’t bet the ranch.
If the Smiths and the Johnsons of the world live 4 to a home … and pay $3000 property tax annually on their townhouse … and the Rodriguez and Garcias live 12 to a house … and pay $3000 also … and have the same number of kids in school … then the Smiths and Johnsons are paying 3 times as much property tax. because we don’t live 12 to a house in America. When 40% of a community starts doing it, it slides towards a ghetto where the inhabitants cannot pay enough tax to pay for their own services. Call it “white flight” or “urban flight”. Call it racist. Call it unChristian. It’s happening, and will continue to, inexorably. You cannot stop it - you can only pretend it won’t happen. Though all teh arning signs are there and your own politicians can’t tell you where all the money has gone.
Also when 40% of a community is mostly uninsured the hospital suffers.
The reality is that our property values have decreased because of these 6 month ARMs with ballon riders (sub prime loans) made to people who have no credit history (illegal aliens). They had no intention of staying in this community to assimilate. They milked as much out of their properties as they could and then they up and leave with no responsibility to pay their loan leaving their properties in utter disrepair. They never intended to pay their loans. We are now suffering the effects of illegal aliens in our county and it will not get any better. The board should have taken action two years ago to combat this but I guess it’s better late than never. Yes, we will have to bite the bullet and pay for this. The alternative is to do nothing and get even more illegals flocking here. They can still go to Bank of America and get a loan, credit card without a social security number. Yes, it will cost us but it will cost us more if we do nothing. If the county did something a couple of years ago it wouldn’t be as bad as it is now.
I went to an auction yesterday. The house across from me went up for auction. At one time this house was worth about $400,000.00. The auction for this house started at $259,250.00 with no bidders. So, the house went to the mortgage company. How much do you think the mortgage company is going to sell it for? I’ve seen my property value drop by over $100,000.00 and the year is not over yet.
Yes, we have to do something. Yes, we’ll have to pay for it. Consider it an investment for the future because if we let things continue the way they are, no one and I repeat no one will want to come to Prince William County and buy a home to raise their family. Then we will look like a third world country. You may laugh at what I just said but I have seen counties go down hill and it can happen here.
No, LTVAR…it’s because we are afraid that Prince William County will resemble East LA within a few years. In all the years that I have lived here, I’ve NEVER seen or heard of so many violent crimes here (rapes, child abduction, murders, gang violence, etc.) as we have had in very recent years. It’s not hard to do the math…it started happening with the illegal invasion!
In addition I should add that we owe this not only to ourselves (the citizens), but we also owe this to the many immigrants, whether legal or not, who previously settled in our county peacefully, wanting only what this current invasion claims that they want…the American dream, which is becoming a nightmare!
Patty,
I am not implying we shouldn’t pay for it. We are going to have to.
I do think that the BOCS has an obligation to tell us how we are going to be paying for it. That is just responsible government. Therefore, I commend them for taking the issue on financial retreat.
Patty, I understand that something NEEDS to be done and like YESTERDAY. I see the qualilty loss and know WE will have to pay to get out of this mess. I feel you are missing my point as far as ,our real estate assessments have dropped big time and will drop again BIG TIME!
My question is if they raise taxes on the real estate and the assessments drop- where is the make up money? I think they should have already discussed this and have come up with a solution and not be delayed again .I have not listened today to hear if they voted as of yet, I am going from the blog…I could be wrong
AWCheney,
You are right about in being concerned that we do not look like East LA, This is getting worse by the day. I have been trying to research and see what is being done out there? Why have we not heard them lead the way? They have a far worse problem but we are headed in that direction.
correction do not WANT to look like East LA ( sorry)
If I recall, BOS adopted this year’s budget knowing they didn’t have the money to support it in the future. There was a concern regarding the bond rating, which in turn helps attract business….which reduces PWC reliance on real estate revenue which are unstable at best. Think it’s like living on commission!
So, they need x million (I’ve heard as high as $20-25) to fund what they started last year and to balance the next year’s budget 2009-2010. That’s before adding anything new like immigration.
From what I saw on TV today, there is not a lot of money to be saved in PWC tax dollars from discontinuing illegal aliens receiving services. Maybe a million.
I would rather have a BOS that reivews facts not rhetoric prior to determining the immediate future as Mrs. Caddigan pointed out. Facts are a good thing. I think they will fund everything for immigration, they just have to figure out and agree what they won’t do.
Gee, maybe Adult Day Care will come up again….
LTVAR: Go away.
I think they have given up in East LA. On the feds anyway. That was apparent if you watched Pat Buchanans convention a few years ago.
Well, if you illegals pay taxes as you claim, then no problem…you’ll pay for enforcement of our laws and be pleased to do so…
Standing ovation for Freedom!
One Voice,
That is what I am starting to think. I DO NOT want that to happen here or anywhere. I understand that we are going to have to pay to get out of this mess but I would like to see some ideas. I am not that good in math per say, but it doesn’t take a wiz to figure there is a loss in raising real estate taxes when the assessments are going to drop, that is why I ask where will the make up money be…I know there are other taxes to raise, ok, how much and which ones? I am not against paying more. I want to know if PWC is leading the way and KNOW that they are making NATIONAL news, why have they not already come up with some solutions? My husband just came in and said he saw the news and the vote got continued until Oct. 15th? something like that…ok, and it could get continued again? So could this be a bunch of mirda to get votes? Just questions…watch, next I will be called the illegal alien apologist…..
Yes, way to go Freedom! We know that our insurance gets increased as the hopsitals, etc are taking care of the uninsured ( i.e)- somebody ALWAYS has to pay…..we keep having to have increases and that is fine but lets figure out how to keep that from happening.
To add more, just like our crimes increase ( i.e) shoplifting, what happens, prices go up, etc, etc. it is out of control and getting a bit pissed that we have to pay for it…the worse it gets, the more we have to pay.
First: LTVAR = racist
Second: Manassas Park WILL go bankrupt within 6-12 months. You heard it here first folks. Never before have I seen such a drastic change in a community for the worse in my life. At least 20% of the homes here are for sale or are in foreclosure. A new police station and elementary school which we can’t afford now will be the straws that break the back of this camel.
Third: The PWCBOCS will fold. I knew they would. Once the illegal aliens brought out the boo-hoo brigade and the HRC intervened I knew the days were over for this resolution.
Fourth: If we the citizens wants to take back our communities from lawlessness then we will need to wrestle it out of the hands of the illegals and the corrupt politicians by any means necessary. Until we are ready to march and picket and make our demands known then these criminals will always be able to kick lawfulness around. The squeaky wheel gets the oil folks as we can plainly see so far. If 2500 people marched on every city hall in PWC then I guarantee you that the media, the feds, and the local governments would get the idea that we mean business. The power really is in the hands of the people. The failure of this resolution will pretty much put the nail in the coffin of HSM in its current form. It’s time to start adopting the tactics of MSF if our corrupt politicians betray us yet again.
CLARIFICATION NEEDED.
Fell asleep watching the BOCS stuff on Channel 23. That’s not hard to do.
Thought I heard Stirrup thanking the board for their unanimous decision FOR the resolution. Was I still asleep?
Dave, I understand your frustration brother.
“I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”
“I would never invade the United States, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass.”
- Isoroku Yamamoto (Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) during World War II.)
The issue of this resolution is not about the money. I don’t care if I have to pay more money to protect my neighborhood and to protect my children from the effects of “illegal” immigration. The critical message the supervisor’s need to get is this… WE the citizens who vote will remember you, we will run against you next time, and if possible we will hold you accountable for any action that encourages “illegal” immigrants to remain in this community. That means a vote against adopting this resolution is a vote to provide sanctuary for “illegals”, a vote to allow terrorists to remain undetected in our community, a vote to allow just one more “illegal services” handed out for free to illegal immigrants by turning a blind eye to the legal status of an individual, and just one more cop-out to doing what is right for the citizens in our country, to prevent what happened in LA, CA from happening here. If you vote no, you lose the support you have in this community, and you lose face. You also lose in the eyes of the “pro-illegal” political force, and they will feel they have “bullied” you into submission, regardless of the small gain it is in reality it is a large gain in image, public perception and media attention to hold people accountable. This resolution must pass regardless of cost, as it is pivitol to other resolutions and other actions that must follow and be fought for just as loudly. If this resolution does not pass, you will have a HUGE fight on your hands (to include a media vengeance) that will only intensify with the passing of time until the community leadership gets it right (the majority will get its way, at your political peril), and people who fight long hard battles remember their enemies. Every supervisior who votes against this resolution will be creating sanctuary for “illegals” , including terrorists, and life time enemies of the general public for being concerned more for “illegals” not of this country, than for the good citizens who put you in office, and who are trying to improve their neighborhood, and who deserve the supervisor’s respect and support tenfold over those of “illegals”.
I need to have some of what you are having es_la_ley,
or cooking that wonderful sounding dinner, take a snooze, to get this off my mind, here I go, ONE more frustration:
So lets say that us legal , responsible citizens have to PAY for illegals and non responsible legal citizens. We are in a bad way economic wise and have to wait it out. So, we wait it out and keep paying and paying more to get out of this…in the end, where do WE get ahead?
Must have been sleeping. Anyway, this was posted on WTOP tonight (7:06 p.m.):
County Postpones Vote on Immigration Policy
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&sid=1259793
Anon 7:21: That’s a very good metaphor for where this country is headed if things don’t change.
I can’t help but think about an old internet tale by a guy named John Titor who was supposed to be a time traveler from the future who had an intimate knowledge of physics and things mechanical. He talked of civil war in our future and how the country begins to break down early in the 21st century. To this day he was never proven as a hoaxer and his stories all hold water from a technical perspective. I always just shrugged him off as a goof or a hoaxer myself but as I watch this country slip into anarchy, the economy go into the crapper, and endless wars for oil and money for the elite I can’t help but wonder if the guy was actually the real deal….
Dave B.,
Just want to ask you, do you think there is anything to the North American Union? I am still keeping researching but all things are leading this way……you don’t have to answer but I saw your frustrations awhile back and became a cheerleader as to things will get better and I don’t understand what the heck is going on and how DEEP your frustrations were. I am looking still to find out what makes sense.
I know sitting back and doing NOTHING = NOTHING, just wanted to hear your spin…..
New Zealand keeps looking better and better….
Redawn
I am sure the BOS will pay for immigration. They need to know what they are up against for paying for it. I can’t imagine any one of them not supporting this effort at this point - as Mr. Stewart said, they’ve been unanimous on this all along, no point in stopping now.
This is just a checking the barometer and getting the information Gearhart said was coming for them to review.
As far as other taxes, it is fairly limited to sales tax, commercial, business (BPOL) and of course residential. So when the largest portion is residential it is hard to make it up from those other sources and not discourage commerical development in the County. Increasing commercial tax base will reduce reliance on residential real estate tax like in Fairfax and Arlington…. That’s why attracting business to the County is so important and helps us with our taxes. That’s why the bond rating is soooo important. Not only does it reduce costs on loans it attracts investors.
I have confidence that the BOS will approve this, they just want to know what they might be giving up!
Cost savings might come from the feds at some point down the road - but not in time to pay for more policeman.
If they can remove the illegals and crime goes down then more businesses will want to come here and they can reduce the residential tax rate again.
That is good business.
AW
And according to Nevil Shute the last place the fallout hits……
Here’s how to deal with the “illegal” health care issue. Stop buying health insurance or accepting it from your company. Buy health catastrophy insurance only. Pay all your other health care bills on your own, with cash. You will do a better job of seeking the lowest cost care, with the best care provider. As a result of “shopping” around, health care, like your grocery bill will drop lower, than it is now, and the quality of what a doctor will offer will increase. Only people who don’t pay cash and expect the federal government to pay for them, will end up in long lines, inadequate outdated care, substandard physicians and poor cost controls. This is the ugly dirty little secret but major problem with the VA Hospitals,. Do you want all hospitals and clinics to look and perform like the VA? Some of the best health care you can get is now done by nurse practitioners in shopping mall outpatient clinics, for less cost than insurance coverage, by physicians and nurses who will not accept the overhead cost of insurance and can thus offer better, faster, more technical health care (insurance companies make more money when they can deny you better technology, for the same symptom, and get away with a just good enough substitute, or no substitute). Taking care of your own health costs in cash (save some for emergencies, and get catostrophic insueance only) is a smart way to save health care costs and increase better service and quality. This action will cause the insurance health care industry to fold and it will improve all of our lives and the quality of our health care. If their is no health care insurance for common health services, “illegals” will have to pay for those services themselves, just like you do, and your taxes will drop too, as a side bonus! Socialize medicine is the road to disaster, long, lines, poor care, cheap physicians and VA like hospitals. Don’t listen to the DEMS on this one! You have only to look at other countries with socialized medical systems to see how bad that is.
This is a joke, if it is expensive to pay for it, that just accentuates how severe the problem is, and that it is imperative that the county follow through. My house value has dropped 120k since i bought it, do you think i care if my property tax goes up a few hundred dollars.
Redawn: I can’t tell you what’s going on either. All I know is that things don’t feel right. To use a cliche, we all feel it on some level that there is a storm brewing on the horizon. I see wars for oil, I see absolutely no action from our government to secure its people from terrorists or criminal illegal aliens. A multi-billion dollar Department of ‘Homeland Security’ that doesn’t appear to secure anything from where I sit. I see billions of dollars a day being wasted in Iraq when we can’t even repair our city schools, fund basic infrastructure projects or help out our own citizens in dire time of need (New Orleans anyone?) Our priorities are so skewed right now that common sense just screams to anyone who is capable of rationale thought that there is no way that we can continue down this path for long. A person is an amazing, creative, loving thing that is testament to God’s will or millions of years of evolution, whichever you choose to believe. A person is capable of incredible creativity and ingenuity. Math, science, music, philosophy, discovery; all things of incredible proportions. People (in the plural form) on the other hand are destructive, disruptive, hateful, vindictive things that can’t continue to exist for much longer on our current path. We will burn through every natural resource if left unchecked. This is why the illegal alien issue is so paramount to this country. We just can not afford to accommodate the poor and unskilled of every country in the world without destroying ourselves in the process on an economical, cultural, and resource level.
It just saddens me to see so many sheep that go along on their merry way burning gas in their Escalades and Hummers oblivious to the path of destruction that we are on as a society. Deep I know, but that’s what I believe.
I find it incredibly ridiculous that our own BOCS would side with illegal aliens and their (aiding and abetting) supporters! Our BOCS are siding with criminals! Does that not speak volumes of their lack of integrity and lack of competence to lead our county?
Patriot, I saw no evidence that they were siding with illegal immigrants at all. Did you watch the meeting?
Dave B. - Deep, but so true. You have a way of writing that says it all - very well said, and yes, very sad.
AWCheney said on 2 Oct 2007 at 7:37 pm:
Americans aren’t cowards.
We run towards a fight, not away from it.
Remember, there are four boxes of Freedom.
Anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 8:20 pm:
Was actually from manassascityresident.
Government is a complicated process. You can’t just show up on the government’s doorstep because you are suddenly passionate about something and expect instant change. Public participation is a long term effort, partially because the policy process is cumbersome, and intentionally so. Even if a new policy is right, it’s still important to analyze all the options and impacts, and make educated decisions. Otherwise you wind up with nearsighted policy that has unintended consequences or little longterm value. Patience.
One Voice,
That is hopeful and you make sense. I agree with what you are saying.I don’t see the BOCS turning the other way, when they do have NATIONAL attention.
My frustrations are, the people that stick it out ( and/or stuck) are the ones who will PAY- we are paying and are going to have to pay more. ( it is just a little bit more of “salt in the wound” when I have lived here all my life and come from generations that have and WE get the bad end of the deal) We have seen changes and have welcomed them.
Life is not fair, I understand that ( can hear my dad’s voice..he is still here, just can hear his voice, luv him) and someone will have to sacrifice, to do good for the future.
I do not have a problem to pay to get the best results, it is just hard to REALLY see the quality of life go straight down and this feels like a slap in the face.( to see it first hand)
I do not see that just illegals have caused this problem, there is ALWAYS money behind things, I have seen people used their homes as ATM machines, etc..(to APPEAR to be better,live beyond their means whatever, false bs… keep up with the Jones )
With all that being said, I just HAD to ask the question, is it possible that this was for votes as they could once again delay the process.
I applaud the BOCS for looking into the math, I just don’t understand with all the attention and focus on them, it was not further looked into at this point. There have been citizens that have given up their vacation time, work full time jobs to keep the momentum going.
Michael, I think you may be on to something as far as health care, see what you are saying. My employer pays for my health care and honestly, I could not imagine, but understand why so many can’t afford and take the chance.
PWChomewoner,
your are right in saying it speaks volumes of the problem we are facing, I have NO problem paying more. See above to my response to One Voice.
Dave B.,
I am still searching, I really just don’t get it. I know AWCheney said, “WHAT THE DEVIL IS WRONG WITH THE CONCEPT OF ENFORCING THE LAW? ” and that is why I am still searching and asked for your spin.
AWCheney,
Can I ask you, what your take is? Do you think there is something to the North American Union?
I am a baby at this as you longtime bloggers have come to see for yourself, I am just asking questions and do not believe in a stupid question.
Redawn
If I recall correctly, three BOS members tried to discuss the math at the police hearing. Those three were pounded solidly here as “illegal alien apologists” (the term for not agreeing with a few 100% of the time!!) If I read the comment above correctly, now they are all siding with illegal aliens because they did not react. I prefer my representatives to act not react. Places like this are where those that have no responsibilities to constituants can react.
This is a mess and we can thank the loopholes afforded business and the feds for this mess. They spend 90% of their time trying to control what I do and should think instead of focusing on their main jobs - transportation, national security, environmental issues and tax reform.
I will not vote for any one regardless of party that tries to tell me what I should think about abortion, stem cell research, gays and so forth. They will NOT get my vote. I am an adult. I know what I think is moral already. I don’t need their help. I will vote for a sensible candidate that will address issues such as those listed above AND immigration.
I say we dump both parties - they really are not that different anyway and start looking at the person.
One Voice,
I agree with you totally. I can add nothing to what you have said. Thank you.
Dolph
You are welcome. Thank you.
TO: anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 8:32 pm:
“Government is a complicated process. You can’t just show up on the government’s doorstep because you are suddenly passionate about something and expect instant change. Public participation is a long term effort, partially because the policy process is cumbersome, and intentionally so. Even if a new policy is right, it’s still important to analyze all the options and impacts, and make educated decisions. Otherwise you wind up with nearsighted policy that has unintended consequences or little longterm value. Patience.”
This I understand, not showing up until the last minute ( as, I have admitted doing and realize, ok, I need to catch up fast but be patient) but I don’t understand why the longtime fighters feel the same way and are puzzled ( not just because people have waited) They have seen an UGLY tide turn……
There is no such thing as a stupid question, Redawn…one of the first things that I taught my kids.
This North American Union is very much a serious matter. Bush and his cronies have been pushing it hard…and NAFTA was the first step. The idea, of course, being to make the TRUE power money rather than political…which the citizens still would have some say over. It would give new meaning to the phrase, “money is power,” wouldn’t it? This is SO bad on so many fronts. If you think that the middle class (and even the upper middle class) is powerless now, just wait until something like that becomes reality. It’s a form of economic communism…redistribution of wealth from the middle to the bottom (which will, of course, change once they’re finished with that deluded “bottom”) controlled by multinationals at the top. Eliminate and/or absorb small business, and control “upward mobility” from the top, you have a form of economic communism…right? Everything that is happening right now fits into that scenario…and if you think that this is paranoid conspiracy theory thinking, just sit down and think about the many things over the past couple of decades that have led to the situation on so many levels that we’re in today. All they needed to do was keep us fat and happy with artificially controlled interest rates (giving us that “booming” economy) and keeping that deficit climbing. Suckers!
I am in that group of not understanding what the West’s EU was either. I am going to read a novel now.
The BOCS passed the resolution except they deferred, until Oct. 16th, the funding of the police department and what services the county will deny illegal’s.
If I heard correctly, Nohe has a problem with licensing businesses that make less than $100,000 a year. By not licensing ALL businesses, a good portion of them could be run by illegal’s. The point of the resolution was to make it undesirable for illegal aliens to live in the county and restricting business licenses would be a great deterrent.
BOCS, VOTERS will be watching you, even those of us who don’t live in the county. We can help make it so you are not re-elected!
A business decision was made to cut staff that license businesses that make less than $100,000 per year. Now they would have to add back staff or figure out another way to process these licenses at very low cost. Maybe they would just be required to register using e-verify and not pay a tax for the license. That’s what I heard.
TO:AWCheney said on 2 Oct 2007 at 9:28 pm:
“There is no such thing as a stupid question, Redawn…one of the first things that I taught my kids.”
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Thank you and I look at it as if you don’t ask, you either deny knowledge or you know everything.(never stop learning
EVERYTHING you said makes sense to me, and I am still searching for the truth, it may hit me in the face…ok, I will compromise
I guess I am doing my homework and catching up fast.
Anyway, the last statement you said :
“All they needed to do was keep us fat and happy with artificially controlled interest rates (giving us that “booming” economy) and keeping that deficit climbing. Suckers!”
I also feel that is WHY we are looked down on as STUPID, LAZY, ETC….and gives invaders the words to speak in argument, well at least part of……
Illegal’s cost L.A. 1 billion dollars yearly.
http://www.hometownstation.com/illegal-alien-welfare-2007-09-28-11-41-4.html
What happen with the sound vicotry you were waiting? I thought that since Greg “helped” all thse guys you had already won that battle. LLLLLOOOOOSSSSERRSSSS!
I am sick of hearing about what it will cost. As mentioned earlier - there is no price that can be put on ones “quality of life”. I and many others would be more than happy to pay more at tax time if PWC and the City of Manassas would rid the area of illegals. Can you IMAGINE how desireable PWC and the City of Manassas would be if all illegal aliens left? Legal citizens would relocate here in droves. The area would be a mini Oasis. We demand our quality of life back!
To back down now would be a HUGE mistake. We need to send a message NOW!
Dave B., you post was well written and dead on.
TO: anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 9:48 pm:
“What happen with the sound vicotry you were waiting? I thought that since Greg “helped” all thse guys you had already won that battle. LLLLLOOOOOSSSSERRSSSS!”
NO, it’s called : ROLL CALL, sound off, one, two…go back and read all the way through.
Well we shall see just how stupid the public is if they reelect Stewart, Stirrup, May, Lingamfelter Frederick or Marshal. Wonder if Greg is going to support them as much now ???:))))
Can you IMAGINE how desireable PWC and the City of Manassas would be if all illegal aliens left?
For poor Blacks from DC? You will get the same type of people because your neighborhood is nothing. Wake up! You will get americans but life won’t get any better.
redawn said “This I understand, not showing up until the last minute ( as, I have admitted doing and realize, ok, I need to catch up fast but be patient) but I don’t understand why the longtime fighters feel the same way and are puzzled ( not just because people have waited) They have seen an UGLY tide turn……”
What is the ugly tide? And I would argue that even most of these “longtime fighters” are new to the game. Anke Cheney has a long history of involvement, but I’m not sure I can think of many others here who can say that.
PAY NOW OR PAY LATER. WE’RE ALL GOING TO PAY SOMEWAY OR ANOTHER. PREFERABLY PAY TO COLLECT THE TRASH!
Rick Bentley: surely it is not “un-Christian” to live 12 to a house. Jesus and his disciples lived, as best we can discern from the scriptures, 13 to a house in Caepernaeum.
anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 10:40 pm
“What is the ugly tide? And I would argue that even most of these “longtime fighters” are new to the game. Anke Cheney has a long history of involvement, but I’m not sure I can think of many others here who can say that”
The ugly tide of our country being out of control. Yes, I am new to the game and so are others on this blog. AWCheney may be a long time fighter, but I am asking about the ENTIRE country of people being proactive and questioning what is going on.
If the vote for the resolution gets postponed until after the election, we have 4 more years of those who voted against it!
I got news for ya. We’ve got 4 more years of most of these supervisors, wether they vote for or against this, and wether it is before or after the election.
well folks, here’s the latest hot off the press:
Supervisors postpone action against illegals
By KEITH WALKER
kwalker@potomacnews.com
Wednesday, October 3, 2007
What do you think?
Worries about budget concerns led the Prince William Board of County Supervisors to unanimously postpone action this afternoon on the proposed resolution to crack down on illegal immigration.
The board approved, in theory the resolution directing county police to check the legal status of people if they believe there is probable cause that they are illegal immigrants. They will take up the funding for seven officers to create the criminal alien unit on Oct. 16.
The vote stopped short of denying some county services which included prohibiting illegal immigrants from participating in substance abuse programs in the Prince William-Manassas regional jail and preventing illegal immigrants who are homeless from receiving rental and mortgage assistance.
A majority of the supervisors weren’t ready to pass the parts of the resolution denying services until after the cost of implementing them until the board fully understood the cost.
Both sides are claiming victory.
Ricardo Juarez-Nava of Mexicans Without Borders, a group that opposed the resolution, said marches, demonstrations, a boycott of area businesses and more than 7,000 letters persuaded the supervisors to defer the vote
“Today we claim a partial victory in the immigrant struggle,” Juarez told a crowd of about 650 outside the McCoart Administration Center after the board vote.
Greg Letiecq, the president of Help Save Manassas which supports the resolution, also considered the board’s vote a partial victory because it accepted Prince William Police Chief Charlie T. Deane’s proposal .
The resolution also authorized the Prince William Juvenile Detention Center to explore having some of it’s officer trained under section 287(g) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act
“This is good ,” Letiecq said. “The juvenile detention center 287(g) is an excellent initiative.”
Supervisor W.S. “Wally” Covington, III, said he thought the board had been pulled away from its “central mission ”
“We’ve been pulled into the federal debate more than I’m really comfortable with. I don’t disagree with staff’s position that ultimately this is a federal decision,” Covington said.”i believe we’ve gotten into a debate of who America is.”
But Covington said the supervisors were on the board to count the cost.
“For me what this has always been about is what the cost is - the cost of illegal immigration in Prince William County,” he said.
Covington supported having the police enforce immigration law, but said he had “concerns about how we’re going to pay for it.”
Deane told the board that ICE training for police staff, extra work for police officers and farming out prisoners to other jails across the state will cost the county about $14.2 million over five years.
John T. Stirrup, R-Gainesville, proposed the resolution on July 10 and the board gave county staff 90 days to determine which county services could be denied to illegal immigrants.
Staff presented the resolution to the board today.
First, It wasn’t postponed until after the election. It was postponed until Oct. 16 and Chairman Stewart specifically said he did not want postponed any longer than the 16th.
Second, this resolution isn’t perfect and doesn’t solve all our problems but it is a start and no one can deny that all the supervisors were in agreement that SOMETHING has to be done.
Third, Yes, our taxes will probably rise, but heck, Caddigan, Barg, Jenkins and Nohe were all ready to raise my taxes last spring. Isn’t it ironic that the same people who claimed that keeping all our “services” were more important than lowering our taxes last April are suddenly all concerned about not raising our taxes? Where was that same fiscal conservatism last spring when Chairman Stewart needed their help?
I’m just glad they are coming up with a new jail JUST FOR ILLEGALS and I’m also glad that the PWC police force will now do away with the catch and release program.
This alone is victory for us who want to save Manassas!
Start locking up illegals and they will leave this area!
I agree Angry!
I sent them this :
Amazing. Just when I was beginning to have some faith in Democracy, some belief that maybe the average American could have a voice in local politics. Now I see that you all are collectively hedging on the issue of whether to discourage illegal aliens from settling here, hedging on whether to become a sanctuary city, hedging on whether you want our tax dollars to support citizens of another nation before Americans.
That might make sense to you but it makes little sense to me.
Please have some pride, please grow half a ball between the 9 of you, please do not disgrace the lawful residents of this community and encourage those who would have this become an overcrowded bilingual ghetto. Please respect those who pay the taxes that you spend, please respect the law of this land. Please fund fully any and all initiatives to discourage illegal aliens from settling in this region. Yes, I know the price of housing will go down. So will your (I mean OUR) expenditures. The alternative is not “growth”, it is urban flight of your tax base and it is your region becoming a ghetto where the residents cannot pay enough tax to sustain the services they consume.
Alarmist rhetoric? Maybe it looks that way where YOU effetes live. Not to most of us. It’s extremely serious and I’m judging each of you on it.