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We Win Again
By Greg L | 2 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 124 Comments
Between the pressure readers delivered, some dealing among the Supervisors, and some strong warnings from constituents that they won’t tolerate a “catch and release” policy towards illegal aliens nor will they accept providing services to illegal aliens with taxpayer dollars, the Prince William County Board of Supervisors again, unanimously passed a resolution that begins the implementation of the county’s policy regarding illegal aliens. We went into this fight at the last minute, and amidst a huge effort by Mexicans Without Borders demanding that the policy be rescinded, and came out victorious.
The Supervisors approved a resolution that did several important things: it endorsed the Police Department’s proposed General Order 45.01 which details the standards of probable cause that officers will use in their interactions with suspected illegal aliens. It directs the jail board to enroll the Juvenile Detention Center in the Section 287(g) Program. Staff will pursue legislative initiatives that they identified during their worksessions. There’s a lot that’s good here. Of all of the components of this policy initiative, the most important of these clearly is ending “catch and release” for illegal aliens. That has moved from a policy idea, to an approved implementation plan, with hardly a hiccup.
Two items were deferred until October 16th. One, is the authorization for the Police Department to hire an additional seven staff members to help implement General Order 45.01. Second is the endorsement of the staff’s recommendations about which services the county currently provides to illegal aliens should be restricted to only those with legal presence. It would have been nice to get those items resolved today, but if we take a couple more weeks to lock down the handful of programs where it makes sense to restrict, that’s OK. We can wait a little longer for these actions, as long as we’re going to get them.
The illegal alien lobby is now zero for two this year. In a couple of weeks, their win-loss record is going to further degrade. Maybe at some point they’re going to realize they can’t win and just stop.
A couple of quick notes:
Ricardo Juarez again spoke in his broken English to the board and delivered a recycling bin full of petitions. How nice of him to package them so conveniently. I restrained myself from calling him out as an illegal alien at Citizen’s time and asking law enforcement officers present to arrest him, but unless he commits some offense, they can’t touch him. I hope ICE will sometime take action, as it’s pretty enraging to have someone who is almost certainly an illegal alien organizing illegal aliens to demand that we change our laws to suit the needs of those who aren’t lawfully in our communities.
Mexicans Without Borders had a huge presence again and packed the atrium and the Council Chambers. Again, this group consistently displayed inappropriate behavior. They sure know how to poison the water.
The press sure loves to hang out with Ricardo Juarez. He had quite a few reporters, many from the Spanish-language media, in orbit around him almost all the time. The press coverage on this is going to heavily feature him. I did some interviews with Channel 9, WTOP, and a couple with Spanish-language media. This was one of the lighter media days for me, despite all the activity.
Maureen Caddigan sure knows how to act with class. Calling me out personally when I don’t have the ability to respond? Sheesh.
Last of all, thanks to the folks who showed up to inject some badly-needed sanity into the public comments on short notice. It really makes a difference when actual constituents participate in the process, rather than allow the radicals entirely dominate the debate.
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Great news. Thanks Greg. Thanks to all of you who made it out there.
Tens of thousands of readers here, glad to see you call ICE out. Where are they? How and why do they sit and watch while an Elvira Ariello (sic - whatever her name is) or a Riacrdo Juarez make fools of them and of our laws?
You Won? What? You have a way about spinning the facts. Who is going to pay for this mess? The police policy will be challenged because it discriminates against one group. Soon you will see the ACLU and the county will end up paying a lot of money.
It doesn’t matter because you won! It is always great to score this MORAL victories. They are not real victories but in your mind you just got rid of illegal immigration in your neighborhoods.
The fact that ICE cannot even get rid of R Juarez should tell you about how big this victory is
“We can wait a little longer for these actions, as long as we’re going to get them”
This is all you have kept saying and nothing has been delivered.
“Two items were deferred until October 16th. One, is the authorization for the Police Department to hire an additional seven staff members to help implement General Order 45.01. Second is the endorsement of the staff’s recommendations about which services the county currently provides to illegal aliens should be restricted to only those with legal presence.”
So it is approved to get the policy enforced but without additional staff?
How about the restrictions; It went from not allowing illegal aliens to get library cards to nothing. It is just politicians playing with your problems. When are you going to learn?
Anonymous…go to hell. You must live in Fairfax or Arlington counties. You must not deal with abandoned homes in your ‘hood. You must not deal with schools that are overrun by kids whose parents don’t belong here. You must not be concerned about the disgusting “culture” that these people have infiltrated into our country and country.
Yeah, go to hell. We’ll win, you liberal bastard. And run those pieces of crap back across the border.
anonymous, most of us will gladly pay. You’ll see in November. A penny spent will be worth many dollars later. Oh and if you’re the same pinhead who denigrated black people from DC in another thread - take your racist crap somewhere else.
Manassas when I moved here 7 years ago was white black and Hispanic, among other things, and I look forward to it being that way again. But not full of slums and families living in sheds and people moving in illegally from Mexico who can’t even speak English and who belong somewhere else, lowering American wages.
A crook is a crook is a crook, I don’t care what La Raza tells them, what the rich elites who hire them as gardeners and nannies tell them, or what bleeding-heart liberals tell them. They’re here as scabs, to be exploited, and to depress the value of American labor. They do nothing good for most Americans, and merely help the rich exploit the poor. I will not - ever - welcome them to my community.
anonymous @ 10:13,
Why do you say this? Is he illegal?
Anonymous, I usually refrain from calling people names on here and I rarely say much but you my friend are an idiot. I was starting to lean a little more to the middle on this subject and start to believe that both sides were to far to either side of this issue. I was starting to believe that there had to be a middle ground, but I now realize there is no middle ground. Illegal aliens are a drain on my community. I read the paper about all the murders committed by illegal aliens. This alone should support the idea that all illegals must be sent home. And I do not mean just hispanics, I mean Russians, French, Chinese, Japanese and any other person who is not here legally. This country can not continue to take any person who wishes to come to this country illegally. I not even sure how you can support the idea that someone who is here illegally, who commits a crime, who then serves his sentence should be sent back onto our streets. Even legal immigrants should/have to support this idea. What should we do, put them back onto the streets. The resolution passed by the County only affects illegal immigrants if they commit a crime. If they stay out of trouble then they will be fine. But what are you worried about, that the illegals can’t stay out of trouble? That must be what you are afraid of. If you are illegal, then you must go, if you are a citizen, then you should go.
anonymous–calm down. If it’s not a victory then why are you so upset?
Congratulations to all for a job well done.
Anonymous. I can’t wait for the City of Manassas to follow suit. Because if they don’t, then they all have to go.
I hope the BOCS orders more strigent enforcement of Zoning and Building Code laws. This is a quality of life issue - not racism.
It’s fairly entertaining to watch the Pols play you guys. They left one more date before the election to ring your chimes, didn’t they?
NoVA Scout, those who wanted the vote today are the ones who actually have opponents. Those who wanted to delay the vote are unopposed or retiring. Get your facts straight and try to make some sense for once.
NOVA,
Since you have made a returned visit, do you care to answer how breaking the law and benefiting from it is a consevative value?
Or, it looks like your side is 0-2 in the Senate this year. Though I suppose y’all will wait to get more Libs in Congress before rewarding illegals with Citizenship.
Gary,
I agree with all you’ve just said. I think we should assess fines to these violations, when PCE comes back to property, and the violations aren’t fixed they should be fined. One PCE Inspector, doesn’t even go to the correct addresses. I have pictures just taken yesterday of one house here in WestGate, that had an inground pool. There’s now just a hole in the ground, with standing water, and trees growing out of what was once a pool. There was also another pool there with standing green water. Sr Chavez, has been to this property several times and said everything was upto code. This guy needs to be fired!!! He’s part of the problem. These are huge safety and health violations.
I can’t put a price tag on the quality of life. The time has come for the illegals and their supports to understand this is about
THE RULE OF LAW!!! We are a nation of laws.
Please call PWC Zoning, to report violations at 703-792-7018.
NOVA,
Do you even live in PWC, MANASSAS OR MANASSAS PARK?
MANASSAS, Va. (Map, News) - Prince William County’s planned illegal immigration crackdown was hampered by state budget cuts, with the board of supervisors on Tuesday delaying any real action until it gets a fuller picture of the county’s finances.
Supervisors unanimously approved a new police department policy under which officers could check the immigration status of those detained even for minor infractions. But they held off on authorizing an extra $2.5 million a year needed to implement it.
http://www.examiner.com/a-968293~Prince_William_postpones_vote_on_immigration_measures.html
This really doesn’t sound like much of a win.
I don’t understand why the police needs $2.5 million to implement the new policy. The police dept needs to go right ahead, check/determine immigration status as best they can and implement this policy with the resources available. No excuses.
LaFayette: I live in Fairfax, where, so far, the pols are far more attentive to the citizens’ concerns that hard-earned tax dollars not be wasted on the futility of trying to fulfill federal obligations. Who’dda thunk that Connolly would be the fiscally responsible one on this issue? Guess he’s worried that it will interfere with waste on other projects. In any event, I’m so glad I’m watching this show from across the Occoquan. I’d be furious if these were my supervisors.
CoM. Breaking the law is not a conservative value. Bad laws are not a conservative value. Ignoring laws is not a conservative value. Passing laws that don’t have a chance in hell of working is not a conservative value. Local governments usurping federal functions for political purposes is not a conservative value. Federal government usurping local government is not a conservative value. Disregard for the federal Constitution is not a conservative value.
We have a failed federal immigration policy that the Congress has not owned up to. Local governments have no authority or competence to fix it. They’re proposing to waste your money on a fairly substantial scale in response to near-hysteria. All the problems that people talk about can be addressed through equal enforcement of local laws. None of this anti-immigrant raving is going to make the problem better if it is not directed (after cleaning itself up) at the federal end of the equation.
While I don’t consider this a win-win for us who want to take back Manassas/Prince William County, I like how the board went about it. Do things that CAN BE DONE, study the situation and make sure the county doesn’t go broke when the implementation begins.
I do consider the action taken by the Police Department to be a HUGE win and if u start locking up illegals, then this is a start. Also, the idea of our state coming up with a jail just for illegals is even better and now the catch and release program is being done away with. My neighbors are now writing letters to ICE on companies which are knows to hire illegals and this is another thing anyone can do. Take away the jobs and these illegals will go away.
Most of them will never enter the IT force so once the contruction jobs stop hiring them then they will go back to their homeland since IT jobs require brains and most illegals are dumber than a pile of bricks!
Good job by our Supervisors and day by day, ARREST by ARREST means slowly but surely we will get rid of every illegal in our area!
Angry Black Man - This is what I said before:
Rashness will get you nowhere fast.
I guess NovaScout didn’t see the “wonderful” pictures of Fairfax County that were posted on this blog.
Rashness is what we need. The only thing that corrupt government seems to understand is an angry mob. Thousands of years of history should show you that.
Attrition and enforcing existing laws is the most cost effective way in solving our illegal alien problems. Cut jobs, cut benefits, illegals will not be able to operate successfully…therefore…they will self deport.
NoVA Scout
I heard on the news the other day in Fairfax County has folks living “low-incoming” housing make 6 figure incomes!!! Well, this sure is a waste of tax dollars. Do you think Connolly is worried about this waste of tax dollars. Anyone making that much money doesn’t not qualify for low income in my book, and think most would agree.
Well I’m glad to be on this side of Bull Run(I live in Western PW). We must be doing something right here in PWC.The resolution must be working, I was stricken from jury duty today in Alexandria (The Federal Court for Eastern Virginia). The case was a deportation case of an ILLEGAL ALIEN, from PWC!!! I told the PWCBOS this very thing.
I posted that comment regarding jury duty yesterday on another thread.
Angry - I agree with you. If it isn’t going to be effective, why are the pro-illegals still frothing?
Greg - Do you think you were set up by the WaPo?
The cost of doing nothing far outweighs the cost of doing the right thing!!
Ktool…..the illegal aliens and their supporters know that the resolution will be effective! That is precisely why they are using the racism, xenophobia, breaking up the families, arguments! Why? Because they have NO legs to stand on…that’s why (and they know it too).
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U.
S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin.http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “.
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whooping . $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR or
Some $16,915/alien.
Kick them out and give a $10,000/year incentive to USA citizen to do
their jobs and we would save $138.3 Billion per year.
If this doesn’t bother you then just delete the message, but on the
other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then
forward it to every human in the country including every representative in
Washington , DC four times a week for a
month.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
Bottom-line: the illegal aliens and their supporters have been scamming our system for a very long time! Now that we have caught on and are calling them out…they are freaking out! The gravy train stops NOW!
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
Bob, send all of those to the BOCS…since they don’t seem to have any idea of what illegals cost us (the legal taxpaying citizens…(those that pay more into the system than take out of the system)).
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U.
S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin.http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
Based on these general figures, certainly the cost of allowing illegal alien activity to continue is much more than the cost of enforcement and cutting benefits when conducting a comparative analysis.
14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “.
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whooping . $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR or
Some $16,915/alien.
Kick them out and give a $10,000/year incentive to USA citizen to do
their jobs and we would save $138.3 Billion per year.
I provided Snopes for those doubters.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp
A conversation between a Customer and Bank of America Bank:
The Bank: Bank of America , can I help you?
Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don’t want to do
business with you any longer.
The Bank: Why?
Customer: You’re giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don’t think
it’s right. I’m taking my business elsewhere.
The Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don’t want to see you do that, but we
can’t stop you. I’ll help you close the account. What is your account
number?
Customer: (gives account number)
The Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you
please give me the last four digits of your social security number?
Customer: No?
The Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in
order to help you, I’ll need verification of who you are.
Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason
I’m closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to
illegal immigrants who don’t have social security numbers. You are
targeting that audience and want their business.
Let’s say I’m an illegal immigrant and you’ve given me a credit card.
I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn’t be
asking me for a Social Security number, would you?
The Bank: No sir, I wouldn’t.
Customer: Why not?
The Bank: Because you would have pressed ‘2′ to speak in Spanish. We
don’t ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.
I have a question for a school administrator:
Why does the school ask for a social security number on the free/reduced lunch application when there is a check box to check if you don’t have a SS#? Why does anybody have to provide that info, if everyone is not required to provide that info?
Bob -
I agree with Patriot - the BOCS need to see those figures and those links. We are done letting illegals suck our country dry - ship ‘em out!
Bob S
The Patriot is right. Send those staggering numbers to all PWCBOS members. I want our “quality of life” restored, and there’s no pricetag for that. We must stay on the PWCBOS, just like the Senators in the spring and a couple of weeks ago. The Patriot is right self deportation is happening. Did you see my comment on me be stricken from Federal Jury Duty yesterday?
We need to let a Supervisors know we support the resolution, and let’s continue to move forward. The nation is watching PWC.
The Patriot,
The gravy train on biscuit wheels rolling over the red carpet, must come to a screeching HALT!!!!
I did not see the jury comment.
Bob S
Great question regarding SS#’s. This doesn’t add up in my mind. Maybe, some esteemed PWCPS Administrator or Board Member could explain this. I will not give my daughter’s SS# to the schools any longer. Why should I when a quarter of the students she attends school with CAN’T provide this info? Fair treatment for ALL, right? I don’t want her to be an identity theft victim. Utah, has a HUGE problem with SS#’s of kids and newborns that have already had their identy stolen!
Angry Blackman! has it right, do what you can now…the key word is now…it send a message, and maybe just maybe the rest of it will clean up itself…
Bob S
Look at my comments at 8:36 to NoVa Scout. Deportation is happening in PWC, self deportation and by the Feds.
hmmm…do you supose the jury thing was a result of your opinions or a natural selection process? I’d like to think it’s the latter!
MCR-I sent the info and links to each of the BOCS.
Bob,
I truly think it was the latter! I did have to answer several questions from the judge (sidebar). They had static running over sound system. They all were true professionals from the top down to the bottom. They do pull names at random and then selection is made from there.
I sent an email to the PWCBOCS about five minutes ago and Corey Stewart has already replied urging an email to each of the board members to approve the funding for the resolution. Also, now is a good time to make plans to be at the 2:00 board meeting on October 16, which is the last board meeting before the election. Politicians are like debtors: they have short memories!!
and convenient memories!
This is a win. Why? Because the opposition failed to get the original resolution rescinded, and there were steps taken towards implementation. Ricardo Jaurez can try to spin this, but they have put a lot of time and energy in, and all they managed to do was delay parts of this from being implemented. The real victory is the 287g program and the general order. Staff reccommended that the program be expanded to the juvy center as well. PWC has moved too far forward on 287g for MSF to turn the tide now. Illegals fear this the most, because it is the part of the resolution which has the most teeth. Get locked up for pissing in public, DUI, shop-lifting…get deported. This is what they are afraid of.
If anyone doubts this, go to any of the area commuter lots on Saturdays and Sundays. You will see scores of Hispanics trying to sell their vehicles. I pretended to be an interested buyer. I asked a couple if individuals (my Spanish is pretty good) why the were selling their cars and trucks at such low prices. two of them told me that they are worried that if they get pulled over for a traffic offense, they will be deported, and their vehicles confiscated(?!). They said they’d rather have the cash and ride a bike. If they get deported, all they lose is a bike.
I loved the part of the testimony where the parks and rec reported a drop in revenue, and they attributed this to illegals not using the public facilities. Signs like this are very encouraging.
Bob S. -
Thank you SO much! I’ve already penned in the 16th! I will definitely be there!
Thia is what happened when someone flew a Mexican flag over a U.S> one at a business:
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7156726
People are fed up with this crap.
Something I’ve noticed is that for the past few years I’ve seen at least one case every couple of weeks or so where a parked car got creamed overnight by a drunk driver (Manassas Park/Yorkshire/Sudley area). I was the victim of this too a few years ago. Haven’t seen any smashed cars in months.
Bob S & manassascityresident,
I can’t wait to see you there.
Batson,
The “trash truck” Patty and I have talked about is now on the market. Why don’t you come over here to WestGate and check it out. This damn thing has been moved to four different houses in the last month. Oh yeah, they tried moving it one Sunday, it started smoking, and they jumped out of it. They must have thought it was on fire. Patty wrote in detail about sometime ago. I wonder if they would tell you it’s a great running machine? It’s located in the low # houses on the 9700 block of King George.
NoVA Scout, I think we all agree that the Federal Government has failed us. However, we need to do what we can at a local level. PWC, the City of Manassas and Manassas Park can no longer support the number of illegals we have.
For anyone who does not have kids in the public schools check out the statistics. Some of our schools have reached or are nearing the 80% mark with hispanics. When you tour the neighborhoods and see the overcrowded homes you can conclude that more than a few of these 80% are illegal. After you are through with the school/neighborhood tour swing by Prince William Hospital -focus on the ER and maternity ward.
I assure you that NoVA Scout and anyone else that doesn’t understand why PWC and MC need to take action will change their mind.
Laf -
I agree, I will NEVER give out my son’s SS# again. I had to jump through hoops to provide documentation to transfer him into public school. I even asked the woman handling enrollment “do you make EVERYONE provide this information?” Her answer was yes, but really, all THEY need to do is sign an affidavit that they’re telling the truth (yeah, right) to get their kids into school! Once again, two sets of rules and from here on out I intend to question anyone requiring ANY type of information from me - no more nice girl.
You think there is a gang problem now? Wait till the second and third generation come around!
mcr
Atta girl!!! Same here!!
Affidavit my a$$, that’s not even worth the paper it’s written on.
Parents,
Protect your children. Do not give out your child’s SS# to the schools. This is confidential info. Not all students have SS#’s. So, why do they NEED my child’s SS#, just because she has one? Well, I don’t think so.
Batson,
Just curious but did you notice if any of the “for sale” vehicles at the commuter lots had a valid plate, inspection sticker, and/or city-county sticker?? Many of the boarding house residences in my neighborhood don’t seem to take the time to get these items. If they’re parked on the street, I call the City.
Lafayette, what about the children’s medical screening records (shots and such) for the “undocumented kids”? How many of them provide false information?
OK, I’m new to the commenting, but I have really appreciated
the hard working folks that go out every day and keep this
issue going.
My “neighborhood” is a joke. Out of 55 houses on my street, 44 now have Hispanic “famililes” in them. That doesn’t count the vacant, for sale or forclosure houses. These are 44 families that sold their houses in the last 5-6 years. ON ONE STREET!
A couple houses have these transient people, they come and go. I am so afraid of them. These men that watch my every move when I walk by. Some even watch my son. It’s a sick feeling I get when I see them. They leave the house a mess,
and trash/grass/bug/rodent problems make my street look like a slum.
Now, I want to know, what can I do to get rid of these people? I will start with my street, then go on to others. What can I do to let them know that I know what is going on there. That there are too many living in one house. That we know about the guys living in the sheds/garages. I just want them aware
that they are not going unnoticed, like they think they are.
Anyway, my new motto to the MWB crowd is: this is the price you pay, for the chance you took. You knew the risk in coming here illegally. So don’t get your panties in a wad now that your meal ticket has been torn up.
This is not THEIR country. This is not THEIR government. THEY will not dictate to me how I will live. And they shouldn’t dictate/bully/demand/threaten my government into keeping their illegal lifestyle here. Stay strong BOCS.
Keokuk,
Sorry. I did not take notice of the tags or stickers. I was too distracted by the low, low prices on these vehicles:
Come’on down to Loco Ricardo’s used cars, located at the commuter lot on Dale Blvd. in Woodbridge!
We have excess inventory and are holding our “deportation sale”!
We’re slashing prices on all trucks and cars on the lot!
Easy financing options available and cash get’s you another 10% off the sticker price!
Don’t miss this, ’cause our prices are just plain LOCO!
I meant to add that if we stop giving illegals all these benefits that they get now, won’t that kinda pay for itself? Are they taking into account the money they WON’T be spending?
Won’t that work out to MORE than a million dollars a year, the projected budget needed to implement?
Batson
Thanks for the humor. Now how about that truck on King George? It must be a steal too. There are lots of vehicles for sale in WestGate, along with houses. All bargain basement prices.
Madmom -
I feel for you. Are you a member of Help save Manassas? This group covers Manassas, Manassas Park and PWC. That would be a great starting point. Get your “legal” neighbors to join the group as well. Do you have an HOA? If so, stay on them! Don’t let up ! Keep calling and complaining.
Call the overcrowding hotline! Call anyone and everyone!
Don’t give up!
Madmom….they definitely need to consider the amount that public benefits cost so that by denying those benefits to illegals and their families it is actually a cost savings!
The Patriot
I know of a very concerned grandparent working on that very issue. We must and will get to the bottom of it. Incomplete and false immunizations could lead to serious public health issues. One child with a TB, would be exposing this too many innocent healthy students. We can NOT allow this to happen.
Madmom,
I think we met last night at PWCBOS meeting. I spoke after you at 7:30 if I’m not mistaken, which I very well could be.
We must keep on the Supervisors and encourage ALL we know to do the same.
Lafayette, yes…many of those “undocumented parents” probably don’t even know if their kids have anything (particularly if they are not medically screened). That is a disaster and should be brought up to BOCS as an issue. There are so many bad issues associated with this illegal alien problem!
I have a question maybe someone could answer for me -
Why are people that are not Prince William county legal residents given time to speak at the BOPWCS meetings. These meetings are supposed to be issues related to this county and it’s legal residents. Why is time given to people who are probably illegally in this country to oppose the points of view of it’s legal citizens.
Maybe a way to ensure that only PWC citizens are being heard is for everyone repeat everyone who steps up to speak to be required to state…..
My name is……. and I am a U.S. citizen (or U.S. legal resident) and a legal resident of Prince William County.
Just an idea.
Lafayette
Yes, we did meet outside last night. I am a member of HSM, don’t have an HOA, and what legal neighbors I do have left I’ve signed up for HSM already! (meaning - not many!) I am going out now to collect addresses of all the houses that I have concerns about. They might have to hire 3 more Zoning guys just for my list!
Madmom, are there any open screen doors on the houses on your street?
madmom
No HOA in WestGate/Sudley either. They need to fire one Sr. Chavez(PCE Inspector(or lack there of I should say), and who doesn’t seem to bother going to right address, and if does make it the right address, his standard response is “NO VIOLATIONS”. We have picture to prove this many is an all out liar and isn’t doing his job. How many open screen doors do you have. Three right now on my block. I’d like to see a big wind storm roll through here, and ripped those open storm doors right off of their hinges!!
corr
this man is an all out liar.
rip those open storm doors…
Concerned legal PWC citizen,
I do think the legal citizens of the City of Manassas and Manassas Park should be able to address the PWCBOS, the two cities are situated in the county. I appreciate the fact that the City of Manassas has allowed me to address them. I’m in 100% agreement it should be legal citizens speaking.
Good news !
Way to go HSM !!
I hope we in Loudoun can get the same kind of forward movement.
greg stone
Help Save Loudoun
greg(HSL)
Loudoun will be next, and the rest of The Commonwealth will get on board. Maybe then Gov. Kaine might consider a 287(g) program to include Troopers and DMV.
We the legal citizens will PREVAIL!!
Both of these video below are heartbreaking — each for it’s own reason!
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7162515
Anonymous 3 Oct 2007 at 3:16 pm:
Being facetious with the second video.
Lafayette said on 3 Oct 2007 at 2:06 pm:
I do think the legal citizens of the City of Manassas and Manassas Park should be able to address the PWCBOS, the two cities are situated in the county. I appreciate the fact that the City of Manassas has allowed me to address them. I’m in 100% agreement it should be legal citizens speaking.
Concerned legal PWC
I agree with above statement because of the unique location of both of those governments. However, it galls be to see people from outside this area (I.E. Arlington, Falls Church etc etc being allowed to speak about events that pertain to PWC and its legal citizens.
New link for last story:
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7162515
Concerned legal PWC
I thought that’s what you might mean. Not to mention the outsiders get way to emotional, clapping, cheering, and crying!
Thanks for you comments.
This is long, but worth reading. Please note that 1/2 of illegal alien children drop out of high school. This is put out by the pro-illegal alien lobby.
The DREAM Act: Whose dream? The Army or immigrant youth?
When the DREAM Act began, it was a bill most people praised: A path to “legalization” for undocumented youth. It allowed youth to become legal 3 different ways. 1) Successfully go to college for 2 years. 2) Perform 910 hours of community service. 3) Enlist in the armed services. Furthermore, if you went to college, you could pay in-state tuition.
However, since it’s start in 2003, it has been significantly changed. What began as a dream for immigrants was transformed into a dream for the military. Two important parts of the DREAM Act were removed: the option to do community service and the right to pay in-state tuition. The removal of these 2 things will force the military as the only option facing 1000’s of immigrants. Half of undocumented immigrants drop out of high school, and less than ¼ of latin@ high school graduates go to college. Therefore, since most undocumented youth will not go to college, and the few that do will have to try to pay for out-of-state tuition, most youth will have to go to the army to get permanent residency.
This is exactly what the government wants. The Pentagon supports the DREAM Act. Further, Senator Dick Durbin, pusher of the militarization of youth, has said: ” The DREAM Act would address a very serious recruitment crisis that faces our military. Under the DREAM Act, tens of thousands of well-qualified potential recruits would become eligible for military service for the first time. ” The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cut recruitment for the army. The politicians’ solution? Draft the innocent by telling them they are helping them go to college. And NO DEMOCRATS are demanding that the militarization of the DREAM Act stop. We are simply checker pieces in their political games.
We cannot be willing to sacrifice the lives of so many youth for the benefit of so few. The right to legalization is just, but accepting a hidden draft is inexcusable. The path to legalization should not cause dehumanization.
Demand the universal right to an education! Demand equal rights for all!
Stop the militarization the DREAM ACT!
Can’t the “outsiders” get tossed if they cannot even manage to comply with the rules during the meeting?
They should be thrown out on their butts for being disrespectful……then let ICE get a hold of them.
I’m all for tracking down the addresses (or lack there of) of the letters presented by the “other side”…..
I’ll get a count and be sure to let the BOCS know about it.
Just tell me who you think has them. The BOCS?
mcr
The PWPD was at the McCoart Building yesterday, along with the Fire Marshall. The only crowd control I saw was done by two young ladies that were posted outside the chambers.
The “outsiders”(people from outside of PWC, and the two cities), should NOT be allowed to influence OUR county’s policy. If they care that much they should worry about their localities.
I would love to be one of those “young ladies” posted outside of the chambers…….
mcr
It was so loud outside the Board Chambers this “young lady” went inside and stood. I explained to them it was impossible to hear out there. Then when outside to remind them to be quiet. Maybe, WE could get the job for meeting on 10/16/07-lol
In the eyes of God your voice is no more important than the immigrants in your community. Maybe it’s worse in Manasses, but in the 2 immigrant households on my street the neighbors are nicer and more willing to help than most natives.
Am I not a patriot because I do not share your values?
I do not support this war, but I’m patriotic towards our troops over there. I’m not going to complain I didn’t have a child ,but my tax dollars go towards educating children. I would never want to be the one who denies someone an education. I wish your group could step back for a moment and realize how hateful and unAmerican you sound to some of us. Your ideals are that of the KKK and if you don’t see that, you are in complete denial.
Hopefully, your resolution will rid our community of gangs and true criminals, I don’t have a problem with that.
Way to go! you just stopped grandma going to the Senior Center- that should make you feel really special.
Guerrita
What don’t you understand about the rule of law? Why should SOME people get SPECIAL treatment and not others? Why is it okay for some to walk over a border and start demanding rights in America when they broke the law to do so?
I bet that not to many illegal grandma’s go to the senior center anyway.
BTW- We are talking ILLEGAL’S not legal immigrants. Bet you don’t seperate the two either, do you?
Guerrita
Look at the Mexicans Without Border’s own tactics. At a meeting in a local Manassas Church during the last week of July, MWB leaders addressed it’s members on how to subvert the law and avoid cooperating with police. Then some members trashed the Church property. Is that nice???
Sounds more like the MWB ideals are similar to tactics used by the KKK.
Outsiders speaking at BOCS meetings has been brought up before and the county has steadfastly maintained that because of freedom of speech, those people have the right to speak.
How dare they come speak about my county’s policies! These people don’t pay taxes in our county, nor do they have to live with the ramifications of policies that they support or don’t support. There was one hearing I read about in the paper where the developer brought in busloads of people from other counties and even other states to speak in their favor. Disgusting!
I have been very frustrated in the past with the outsiders speaking, but I realized recently that at least the BOCS requires people to give their address. We know who is a PWC citizen and who is not. I think and hope that the Board and the public watching does differentiate between those voices and screen out those people who don’t live in the county.
The only way to combat this is to make sure at the next hearing that we have many people on our side that DO live in the county. When you speak, especially if you speak after someone who lives outside the county, make sure to say before your stated address that you “live IN the county, unlike some of the other speakers”.
You will eventually win and you will get in you hood all the angry blacks living in DC. Why? You live in a poor neighborhood. You are at the bottom folks. YOU have illegal aliens because ignorant fellows can afford to buy a place next to you. That’s it and live with it. It doesn’t matter who comes next, you are at the bottom of the food chain.
To call this a win for HSM is hilarious. With every day that passes the tide turns more and more against the HSM hysteria. The original and ridiculous resolution is gradually getting whittled down to nothing but a little more training for police and probably a temporary uptick in deportations. Within 6 months after the election there will be nothing new going on.
Stirrup is a follower, but Stewart has been playing things brilliantly. He sees the classic tin-pot loser in Greg L., someone who can’t hold a real job and whose only avenue for developing any self-esteem is to attack and blame others for his lot in life. As always, such bottom feeders like Greg attract and use for their own purposes the painfully ignorant who have never bothered to see if the world is any bigger than what they can see from their house, but suddenly feel important because they’ve got some attention attaching themselves to the self-marketing tin-pot who has given them someone to blame for all their troubles (Lafayette is the classic example–she’s in for a hard fall when the house of cards comes down, she gets dropped, and realizes she’s been getting used all along–I pity her). Stewart knows Greg L. is perfect for the role he has in mind–buy some votes until after the election, then when things have cooled down, suddenly or gradually disown Greg L. as being hysterical, troubled, over-the-top, disloyal, or suffering from some other political malady. Greg will continue to have trouble getting a real job because credible employers will research him on the net, see his blog rantings and ravings, and conclude that he’s at best irrational and at worst a little unbalanced. His ability to support his family will be impacted and he’ll eventually end up in therapy. Lafayette will do better. She’ll feel let down and betrayed, but will eventually recover to live a long life as a bitter, ignorant white daughter of the Old South in an increasingly brown world.
anonamom,
Goodpoint, we must get as many legal citizens of PWC as possible there on 10/16/07, and continue to call, email, fax, and visit the Supervisors’ offices.
Zapata,
I hate to tell you, this is not just happening in what you would like to call “poor neighborhoods”. One PWC resident spoke yesterday and spoke of an $800,000 house with for families living in it. Don’t remain in such denial. It will soon land on YOUR door step too!!!
IT WORKS!
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immig3oct03%2C0%2C1321056.story
Zapata,
Corr 4 families, and numerous vehicles. This is happening all over Virginia, and our great nation.
I’ll have you know that I’ve lived next door to legal immigrants from Guatamala and Germany my entire life. Yes, they are now and have been proud Americans for years now.
Anonymous
I bet they could do them same thing over in the Park or just about anywhere around NoVa.
Guerrita
How fortunate you are to have only 2 “immigrant”
households on your street. I have 44. On my street.
Out of 55. They don’t talk or interact with each other. They don’t smile when you look them in the eye and say hello. That is not neighborly, and I don’t think a one of them would have my back should something happen to me like an attack from a white, black or Hispanic person. I’m not even confident they would dial 911 for their own neighbor.
These people have stolen work from me, by underbidding jobs. They have been allowed to get a business license, and call themselves professionals.
My business has lost over 2/3’s of it’s income in the
last 5 years because they approach my (potential)
customers in Home Depot and Duron parking lots. And they get the jobs because people are always trying to save a dime. And still they cry that we are so unfair and hateful.
These people have made it so I don’t even allow my teenage son to ride his bike to 7/11.
I really miss my old neighbors. We looked after each others children and talked for hours after the bus picked them up. I look up my street one way, then the other way. I feel so alone, but I will be damned
if people like you or them will make me feel like I’m the bad guy.
If they truly came here with good intentions, by getting in line, and filling out paperwork so I know if you are a pedifile or have some contagious disease, then come on. Don’t tell me that I need to welcome them, to have a heart, that they add so much to our culture. They aren’t here to become an American, Guerrita. They are leaches, sucking the life out of our country. They’ve taken over my neighborhood, my community, and the way I provide for my family. And they don’t care. All they want is “to make money, to work hard, to do the work us Americans won’t do.” I’m tired of hearing that garbage - you didn’t build our houses, you stole a job from an American. You didn’t take care of my children, you are uneducated and aren’t capable of doing too many jobs. You are not coming here as college graduates - you are only doing the jobs that you are capable of doing - cleaning, landscaping, construction. Why do you feel that you have contributed so much to our country? If you weren’t here, the buildings would still be built, the houses would still be cleaned and my street would have manicured lawns like it used to before your invasion. You should see it now! It’s disgraceful.
But this is because I have kept my mouth shut for way too long. It’s alot my fault.
Next time you think we are “targeting Hispanics”, look at every single sign, prescription, instruction package, box of cereal, signs in any state building, fast food restaurant, car dealer - every single one says
“Se Habla Espanol”. I think that means that if you are Hispanic, we can talk to you if you haven’t bothered to learn English. Hispanics welcome. Hispanics are special. Hispanics will get by because this country has felt that THERE ARE MORE HISPANICS than there are Asians or Arabs or French people. People that won’t learn the language, so we have to translate everything.
So, I will not feel like I need to embrace my new neighbors. They can’t even say hello when they walk by.
Sorry this is so long, but too many things to say.
Zapata: Didn’t you already post this “bottom of the food chain” thing a few weeks ago? You need some new material.
Zapata: The illegal aliens don’t necessarily have to live in your community to degrade your environment. I was at a mall where I saw a carload of illegal aliens dump their lunch refuse onto the parking lot. They don’t have to live in close proximity to you–they still create blight. They still use our highways, schools, hospitals and put a burden on our services.
Anonymous, Oct. 3 @10:10, interesting attack coming from someone who said “only avenue for developing any self-esteem is to attack and blame others”. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
Rules of the land should be obeyed and this is final. If you continue to allow illegals rights of US citizens then you might as well let non-violent drug dealers sell narcotics so as long as they are not violent.
Overlooking one law can lead to other things and this should never be the case. Illegal means Illegal and what about this do the advocates for Illegals do not understand? Nothing is racist about wanting our laws to be enforced nor is there anything racist about HSM so you can throw this out the window. I’ve watched over the past 4 years as Manassas has gone to Sh*T because of the following:
1. Overcrowding of homes
2. The Sanitation in our area has gone down
3. Increasing Gang activity
4. Over crowded roads
5. They don’t pay taxes
6. The dumbing down of our school system because of their kids.
7. Report cards, interims now are NOT mailed home because the school system is losing money due to these kids.
I could go on and on but Illegals need to be deported and none should be arrested and released. A limited guest worker program I’m in favor off but those who are here illegal should NOT benefit from this. I’M ALSO ONE WHO WILL PAY HIGHER TAXES TO EXPEDITE THE EXPULSION OF ILLEGALS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
Angry -
You are absolutely right and we must press forward to bring this country back to what it once was! I too, would pay higher taxes if it meant we would be able to rid our country of these lawbreakers!
Get rid of the anchor baby loophole too!
anonymous said on 2 Oct 2007 at 10:13 pm:
“You Won? What? You have a way about spinning the facts. Who is going to pay for this mess? The police policy will be challenged because it discriminates against one group. Soon you will see the ACLU and the county will end up paying a lot of money.”
First off, I will NOT pay to see that these people get deported. We do NOT need ANOTHER tax!!! The revenue created thru higher zoning fines, as well as fines against those who employ the illegals will more than make up he difference. Make the fines HURT - think of the $100million fine McLaren just received from stealing the plans for Ferrari.
Ok, now to the above quote. This DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE against one group. That’s like saying the speed limit discriminates against those who drive fast. We are NOT after Hispanics. It is just that illegal Hispanics are the loudest that they get the most attention. We are against ALL illegals, regardless of nation or origin. Bring the Anti Christian Liberation Union to us!!!! We WILL fight that fight AND WIN!!!
It should cost us nothing to encourage the illegal aliens to self-deport. When the local gov’ts talk about the cost of implementation (blah, blah), they are just stalling. I still say taxing the remittances is the way to go. Kill two birds with one stone.
Guerrita said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:38 pm: “I do not support this war, but I’m patriotic towards our troops over there.”
By that very statement, you fail to support our troops. You have by that statement provided aid and comfort to the enemy. They, the enemy, can quote you, since you have posted it here on the Internet. They can pass this off as “one more person who does not believe in the cause you (the American soldier) fight for.
Thank you, Guerrita, for admitting that you are a traitor to our troops in the War on Terror and for your support of the illegal aliens.
You also wrote “In the eyes of God your voice is no more important than the immigrants in your community.” Somehow, I doubt even God listens to the illegal bringing drugs into this country as so many of them do. These illegals who have a family up here and another back home - somehow I doubt they are the type who go to church on a regular basis. God takes care of those who take care of themselves, NOT rely on the false god of government handouts or drugs, or lives full of illegal activities.
Nova,
Finally, you answered the question. Way back you said we should provide a legal path for some if not all illegals. You said that as a conservative. I said, how is breaking the law and benefiting from it a conservative value. Why, it took you so long to answer that it is not in fact a conservative value is beyond me.
Having sound immigration laws is a good conservative value. We are not a bad Nation for having immigration laws.
anonamom on 3 Oct 2007 at 10:05 pm:
Outsiders should not be allowed to speak at a county meeting. Whoever came up with the line of crap that is a freedom speech issue is feeding you a line. Try sending a e-mail to a senator or congressman (try Pelosi) for example and someone will come back and tell you she only accepts input from California citizens. Spector is another one that will not accept e-mails from non-citizens of PA. Try sending one yourself to either of these “officials” and see for yourself. So, whoever told you that outsiders have to be heard is giving you a “snowjob.”