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Another Bizarre Attack Mailer

By Greg L | 3 October 2007 | 52nd HOD District | 40 Comments

Apparently the Jeanette Rishell campaign isn’t the only one running nonsensical attack ads that are easily proven as false.  Here’s one from the Chris Brown for Delegate campaign, attacking the fiscal hawk Jeff Frederick for his plan to raise our sales taxes by 34%.  They say that the Club For Growth, an organization known for it’s policies to keep taxes low, and which Frederick is a member, has some sort of secret plan to raise taxes and that somehow Jeff Frederick supports this plan.  Their proof?  Well, this time it’s a little worse than just not giving any proof.

This time they direct voters to a web page at the Club For Growth that doesn’t even exist.  This one.

Democrats are now the “let’s completely make s**t up” party.  This is pathetic.



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40 Comments

  1. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 2:58 pm:
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    Usually the Dems save their outright lies right before the election so the lies cannot be countered.

    Hopefully they can discredit the attack and destroy the credibility of the attacker and the voters punish the liar and their phony letters.

  2. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 3:08 pm:
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    Kinda like Corey Stewart (R) did last time, sending out lies about Sharon Pandak that could not be refuted in time for the election? Oh, yeah, he came back the next week and said he’d “made a mistake.” Yeah, right.

  3. Rob Smalls said on 3 Oct 2007 at 3:52 pm:
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    This mailer is likely talking (albeit disingenuously) about the FairTax. If Jeff Frederick supports the FairTax, that’s another great reason to support him.

  4. 800 pound gorilla said on 3 Oct 2007 at 4:26 pm:
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    It is not that republicans don’t lie they are just better at it
    Practice makes perfect

  5. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 4:28 pm:
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    Nothing comes close to a Clinton when it comes to lying - they OWN lying. And there is no “r” next to their name.

  6. James Young said on 3 Oct 2007 at 4:35 pm:
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    I hadn’t seen this one, and I AM in the district.

    Guess I’m not on Chris’ mailing list…..

  7. 800 pound gorilla said on 3 Oct 2007 at 4:36 pm:
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    yo yeah
    who had a black baby

  8. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 4:36 pm:
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    JJ Hensley and Sarah McLellan
    The Arizona Republic
    Oct. 3, 2007 12:34 PM
    Collisions are fairly common at Main Street and Horne, a narrow intersection in west Mesa, but residents were shocked at what happened after a pedestrian was struck and killed Tuesday evening.

    Bystanders reportedly looted the victim’s groceries as he lay dying in the parking lot shortly before 7 p.m. in front of a pawnshop near the intersection; they also stole items from a witness who was helping the victim, Mesa Police said.

    The driver who swerved up onto the westbound curb of Main and hit the victim fled in pickup truck. Police recovered the dark-colored GMC truck at a nearby apartment complex but the suspect escaped. The truck is registered to Alan Ricardo Flores-Ocon, 23, and police want to question him.

    More lovely behaviour from our south of the border “guests.”

  9. Peter Danlyn said on 3 Oct 2007 at 5:03 pm:
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    and how ’bout that Paul Nichols. Sending out flyers featuring faked billboards implying that Faisal Gill welcomes illegal aliens. Suggesting that his job as an immigration attorney makes him unfit to hold office. Pandering to haters of hispanics by using spanish language to further polarize people along racial and cultural lines.

    Gill is an immigration attorney. Nichols is a divorce lawyer, whose practice also handles criminal cases. Using Nichols warped logic, providing legal counsel to immigrants makes Gill pro illegal alien. Doesn’t representing parties in a divorce, and handling criminal cases make Nichols anti-family and pro-criminal?

    C’mon people. Can’t we make coherent arguments for our candidates and positions without resorting to defective invective?

    A vote against smear campaigns is necessarily a vote against Paul Nichols.

  10. Turn PW Blue said on 3 Oct 2007 at 5:20 pm:
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    Peter Danlyn said on 3 Oct 2007 at 5:03 pm:
    “and how ’bout that Paul Nichols. Sending out flyers featuring faked billboards implying that Faisal Gill welcomes illegal aliens. … C’mon people. Can’t we make coherent arguments for our candidates and positions without resorting to defective invective? A vote against smear campaigns is necessarily a vote against Paul Nichols.”

    This posted on a Republican-leaning site with a GoodbyeFaisal.com banner on every page that states “Potom. News: Gill & Gallinger ‘Helping Illegal Immigrants Avoid Deportation’.” Priceless.

  11. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 5:45 pm:
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    This is the website that supports Bob Fitzsimmonds who is one of Faisal Gill’s biggest supporters.

  12. Joshua said on 3 Oct 2007 at 6:07 pm:
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    Jeff Frederick has been endorsed by Club for Growth, which DOES advocate a 30+% sales tax, or “Fairtax” on everything you buy. You may read Club for Growth’s endorsement of Frederick at this address:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060114071142/www.virginiaclubforgrowth.org/pac/news/PR092305JFrederick.htm

    The page is no longer active, but luckily, it was in archives. I believe this is the weblink mentioned on the Chris Brown mailing.

    This tax is not fair. It would be a burden to working families of Virginia. Voting for Joe Frederick would help make this tax a reality.

  13. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 6:17 pm:
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    Do you want a copy of the nasty one about Chris Brown that I received from Jeff Frederick or do you only publish bad things about Democrats?

  14. Clean it up in '07 said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:00 pm:
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    Peter Danlyn — Please explain to us what the heck Gill’s stance is on illegal immigration. He’s made statements during the campaign supportive of amnesty programs. Sounds like his goals at work and his policy positions have some commonality.

    Enlighten us then. By the way….you just posted word for word what James Yound posted on another blog last week. Is this message in your campaign talking points for Gill?

  15. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:03 pm:
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    “A vote against smear campaigns is necessarily a vote against Paul Nichols.”

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  16. Clean it up in '07 said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:03 pm:
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    Young I meant

  17. Thumper said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:07 pm:
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    Rob is correct, it smells like FairTax system. FairTax is 34% sales tax on everything but it removes Social Security, Medicaid, Payroll, Capital gains, Estates Tax so your really only taxed on things you buy.

  18. Fairfax Resident said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:23 pm:
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    Speaking of taxes, I think you should read this:

    http://forwardfairfax.com//papers/withdrawals.html

    It’s written from the perspective of Fairfax County but the same story would hold in Prince William County too.

    Northern Virginia is being robbed blind to pay for artificially low tax rates elsewhere in Virginia. Our grossly incompetent and culpably negligent state representatves say nothing because support from the state Republican and Democratic parties is more important to them than their constituents.

    Let Prince William Counnty keep the taxes paid by residents of PWC and there is suddenly plenty of dough to fund the anti illegal immigration law enforcement effort. And solve the transportation crisis too.

    But that would require your state representatives to actually represent you instead of crawling around on their knees kissing the butts of every geriatric state senator from Hayseed.

    You are being robbed and that robbery is jeopardizing your safety and stealing from your children’s future.

    You pay plent of taxes already - you just don’t keep enough of what you pay.

    Where are your candidates on this issue?

  19. Jon said on 3 Oct 2007 at 7:44 pm:
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    Hey “One voice”, you mean the Frederick flyer that correctly points out how much money Brown has taken from developers??? Yeah, i got that one..how dirty of the Frederick campaign. I mean to look at campaign finance reports, how crude of them…..

  20. Truthseeker said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:05 pm:
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    Once again, you need to check your facts. The Web Site cited in the mailer took down their support of Frederick but you can easily find it by going to:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060114071142/www.virginiaclubforgrowth.org/pac/news/PR092305JFrederick.htm

    If you are interested in publishing the truth, you will retract your statements about Chris Brown being a liar. You were called to task by Maureen Cadigan during the BOS meeting about failing to check your facts and here is another case where you are doing the same thing. Enough of your “Swiftboating” tactics.

  21. Jon said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:31 pm:
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    Hmmm, who just “has” archives of random websites?!?!?!? Could it be the Brown campaign, or even better the losers at the DPVA??? And “truthseeker”, the page you list just shows the support of VA Club for Growth. I don’t think anyone is denying the Club’s support for Frederick. In fact I’d imagine that Frederick is proud to have the support of the Club for Growth which advocates for lower taxes, much like Brown is prob prould to have the endorsements **and checks** from developers. Hmm, lets see; Frederick = lower taxes, Brown = more development…we got a tough one to choose from……

  22. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:36 pm:
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    When Jeff Frederick recommended that BPOL tax be eliminated, he did admit that he had no suggestions how to handle the revenue loss and/or what should be cut. I’m all for great ideas, I’m even more for thorough ideas that include implementation.
    React away….

  23. Jon said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:38 pm:
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    One Voice -

    Where is the evidence of him saying that?? Not elimination of the BPOL tax, but that he had no ideas?? Just out of curiosity?

  24. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:42 pm:
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    It was a quote from him from last year during session. I didn’t keep it to show you, but I did read it. I recall his interesting explanation that it was created during the Civil War to support the war. I recall it because I did not know the history of the tax.

  25. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:44 pm:
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    Corr War of 1812 not Civil War. I wrote the wrong war. :)

  26. Jon said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:46 pm:
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    so really what you are saying is that you have no proof…I mean heck, you can’t even give us a source???

  27. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:48 pm:
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    You don’t believe me?

  28. Jon said on 3 Oct 2007 at 8:50 pm:
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    it doesnt matter…the point is, is that its a crappy mailpiece that in accurately claims frederick supports raising taxes, and it is simply not so. Now, you will say his mailer was just as crappy, but his was also based on facts…it had a few things on there, (can’t remembe them all). the only one i remember was the 40,000 cash from developers, and that is a factual claim from a website that actually exists with a link that actually works…..

  29. One Voice said on 3 Oct 2007 at 9:00 pm:
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    I would suggest you ask Mr. Frederick what he said. In my conversations with him he has always been very direct and earnest. I can only assume that a man of his character would answer you honestly the way he did last year in the interview. I admired him for that.

    I am on this site and contribute due to only to HSM’s mission. I will admit, I’m finding that more and more difficult to cull through the nastiness…!!

    I don’t love paying taxes anymore than the next guy. I am for a flat tax - corporate as well. Actually, if corporations licensed to do business in the USA paid a flat 10%, you and I would probably not have to pay taxes - and we’d probable all have free health care or at least free cable TV.

    Taxes like this should be temporary fixes for a problem. That way there is no scramble and more accountability.

  30. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 10:28 pm:
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    Joshua said, “Voting for Joe Frederick would help make this tax a reality.”

    What is Joe Frederick running for? I’d like to meet him some time.

    FYI, the Fair Tax does NOT penalize the poor because they are refunded any tax that they may pay. Granted, I think this makes it a bit more complicated than need be (which is why I support a 15 percent flat tax on families of four making more than $40,000 per year — anything less than that and you are exempt.)

  31. James Young said on 3 Oct 2007 at 10:43 pm:
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    Actually, most of this conversation demonstrates (as Neal Boortz and John Linder predicted) how the FairTax would be demagogued by those with a vested interest in the complications of the current tax system.

    BTW, isn’t Chris Brown, as a CPA, one of those people?

  32. Anonymous said on 3 Oct 2007 at 11:14 pm:
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    For enlightenment on the Fair Tax go here:

    http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/start.asp?wid=0840929073673

  33. Rob Smalls said on 4 Oct 2007 at 8:11 am:
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    The FairTax is the best idea to come around in a long time. I just finished reading the FairTax book by Boortz and Linder, and it’s the most effective way to return power to the citizen, bar none.

    Joshua,
    I’ll give you the book if you’re interested in reading it. I won’t argue with you here, but I’ll simply say you’re woefully misinformed on the particulars of the FairTax, and reading the book will give you some much needed perspective.

  34. Reston Resident said on 4 Oct 2007 at 8:45 am:
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    I second what Rob states regarding the Fair Tax. It makes more sense to tax what one spends as opposed to one’s income. This encompasses alot more taxpayers including the 50 million tourists who come to this country ever year and it also includes the 1 to 1.5 trillion dollars spent annually in the underground economy in this country.

    I’m not gonna start a lengthy discussion on this blog but, please either read the legislation (HR 25), read Linder and Boortz’s book, or go to FairTax.org . There is a wealth of knowledge and information there and an extensive FAQ section. It is better to be informed then to spew the talking points of the opposition. Who, by the way, have been debunked time and time again.

  35. Peter Danlyn said on 4 Oct 2007 at 10:51 am:
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    Clean it up in 07

    Your short response to my post seems calculated to minimize the impact of my statements. You have accused me of plagiarism, or mass posting of a canned political message. I can assure you that neither charge is true, and challenge you to produce this word-for-word posting from an earlier date. I’m not a political junkie, and couldn’t tell the difference between James Young and Neil Young! Since James has posted to this thread, maybe he can speak to the accuracy of your charge that I lifted his words.

    Faisal’s stance on illegal aliens? I am in no way affiliated with his campaign, so my interpretation wouldn’t give you the best picture. Surely you would want info from a direct source, and would not rely on random musings from a blog as factual representation.

    If my main concern is immigration, I would hope that the candidate is knowledgeable about our laws on the federal, state, and local levels. He should know what works and what doesn’t, and be cognizant of the so-called loopholes. (BTW, one way to identify and correct deficiencies in the law is to test it in court. If the outcome of a court battle brings forth a judgment that is not in the public interest, then the language or application of the law should be reviewed. The attorney can strengthen the law by exposing “loopholes”) I would not vote for someone who comes in with a blueprint, and an attitude that it is not subject to revision.

    A successful immigration attorney would seem to fill that bill.

    This thread arose from the original post about lamentable smear campaigns. It has degraded to an online mudfight, with opposing contributers trying to one-up each other with accusations and half truths. As evidenced by the Potomac News editorial, many people are fed up. Some on this site are apparently still in favor of inaccurate negative campaigns, as long as they are waged against the opposition.

    Is that your position? Do you want someone to overestimate your value, undervalue the contribution of others, and divide the community?

    A successful divorce lawyer can make that happen.

    As you can see, it is very easy to generalize and paint a picture based on associations. It’s also easy to edit facts and portrayals to manipulate meaning or intent. Candidates and bloggers use these techniques to divert attention from the weakness of their own positions.

    Both these guys appear to be moderate, and niether has a criminal record. If that’s the case, I’ll be voting for the one that tells me his ideas without sacrificing his ideals.

  36. Anonymous said on 4 Oct 2007 at 11:34 am:
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    The Virginia Club for Growth became aware of this false ad yesterday. Jeff Frederick is a committed fiscal conservative who, as a freshman Delegate, opposed the $1.6 billion tax increased forced on Virginia families by then Governor Mark Warner.

    The ad was paid for by the Democratic Party of Virginia, and authorized by Chris Brown. As Greg reported, the link on our website which was provided in the mailing, as NO content on it.

    Virginia Club for Growth has never, nor will it ever, advocate a thirty four percent tax increase on anything. Jeff Frederick has been and still is a very good friend of the Virginia Club for Growth.

    The Democratic Party of Virginia and Chris Brown will be held accountable for their lie. More information to come…

    Ray Wotring
    Executive Director
    Virginia Club for Growth

  37. Monica said on 4 Oct 2007 at 11:57 am:
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    More to come…I would enjoy seeing that.

    I find it funny that the democrats are so bent on trying to accuse Frederick of actually helping those in need. Democrats love to say that a reduction in budget increases is a “cut.” It’s not, try taking ECON 101.

    But more importantly, I also find it ironic that while Frederick as many others believe that a flat tax actually helps those that are less fortunate. Democrats believe that free hand outs are a right and that they advocate keeping a “lower class” because they can then syphon off supporters. The flat tax allows everyone to pay what they owe and nothing more, actually being reimbursed if too much was paid.

    If Chris Brown and his campaign want to try and make Frederick look like the bad guy, ummmmm take a little drive up and down Rt. 1 and you’ll see what all of Brown’s “campaign coffer stockers” hard at work. I enjoy my green space and I WOULD enjoy actually going 10 miles up the road and not taking 30 min…but thank you Chris Brown for once again proving that you are incapable of actually “representing” those of us here in PWC.

    Now, if the man could actually come out on an issue instead of floundering around with political rhetoric…Frederick actually talks on the issues and doesn’t sit around waiting for the DPVA to hold his hand and tell him what to say and when…try thinking for yourself once in a while-unless you have nothing intelligent to say.

  38. Bob Wills said on 4 Oct 2007 at 9:31 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 4 Oct 2007 at 11:34 am:
    The Virginia Club for Growth became aware of this false ad yesterday. Jeff Frederick is a committed fiscal conservative who, as a freshman Delegate, opposed the $1.6 billion tax increased forced on Virginia families by then Governor Mark Warner.

    Frederick knows nothing about being a conservative. He is as big a Liberal as there ever was. Saying you oppose taxes or increases does not make you a conservative. True conservatives say pay as you go and everyone pays the same amount for thier impact. Frederick supports the 30 year failure of Proffers. Frederick wants you to belive that someone else ( builder) is going to pay the 30 to 40K on each house and not pass it on to you. He wants to builder to get the tax deduction and cheat the home buyer out of the tax deduction plus make them pay at least 2% more in interest on that amount. He is a good lier but when he first ran for office he was asked what he thought of the Dillon Rule in VA. His reply was what is that ????? Keep on electing him and you will get what he has done in the pass and that is NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED to solve traffic in N VA…..

  39. Monica said on 5 Oct 2007 at 9:59 am:
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    Mr. Wills:

    Nothing for traffic huh? How about bringing a few hundred thousand dollars to his district for transportation. And what’s wrong with not wanting to hike up my taxes to pay for something that the state already has the money for? I respect him incredibly because he actually has kept his promise to me since the first time I met him-if Richmond can’t take care of my money and spend it wisely, then why should they keep getting more?

    As far as your comments on the builder/proffer situation, first off-the vast majority of that is controlled by the county, quit trying to confuse the voters by telling them he’s not doing anything when he didn’t have the power to do it in the first place-such a democrat. Second, he has stopped builders from building more and more homes everywhere because the roads can’t handle all the people. People with common sense understand that just because you build houses for people to move into (and then can’t move out because of the taxes that are laid upon them-and those are the taxes the Frederick voted against), doesn’t mean that all other problems will go away. In fact it makes the problem worse.

    Frederick has done something that very few legislators have done and that is believe that a problem can be fixed without just throwing more money at it. My taxes shouldn’t be sent to Richmond for politicians to decide where it’s spent-they should listen to the voters and recognize where they want their money placed.

  40. James Young said on 5 Oct 2007 at 11:04 am:
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    Peter, you have to understand that so-called “Clean it Up’s” point wasn’t that you’re a plagiarist — so far as I can tell, you’re not, since you didn’t try to pass off my words as your own — it was “Gee, we really don’t want to point out Nichols’ illogic here, since Faisal Gill is the enemy, so we’d better trash the messenger.” Note that he failed to address your point. And few things trash someone more around these anonymous/pseudonymous cowardly lions than association with anything that I’ve said.

    By the way, I am not Neil Young, nor am I related to him.

    And a brief tour here will demonstrate that smear campaigns are perfectly acceptable … so long as they are directed at the “right” people.

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