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Outrageous Sign Damaged
By Greg L | 8 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Manassas City | 80 Comments
Apparently someone has decided to vandalize the ugly and outrageous sign at the corner of Liberty and Prince William Streets that accused residents of Prince William County of being racists, slave traders and Indian killers. Damaging this sign was a really dumb thing to do, especially since the demolition permit for this site is soon expiring and this sign would have to come down very soon anyways.
I know how this outraged a lot of people, and I understand the passion that this sign has generated. I hear about this sign on an almost daily basis. The better response to this sort of over-the-top political tone-deafness is not to let your anger get the better part of you and want to destroy what’s making you angry, but to ensure that you do whatever you can to ensure that everyone you know gets the opportunity to experience what you’re feeling as well. Tearing this thing up is entirely counter-productive.
It’s far better to guard these things and protect them from harm than it is to damage or remove them. Hopefully whoever did this will someday understand this, and resist the urge to “solve” a problem in this fashion. Now we get to hear a bunch of illegal alien apologists start whining about how intimidated they are now that an impromptu neighborhood beautification project was initiated. Ugh.
Let’s play smart, OK?
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I’ll bet the Rishell and Pandak people were involved in this. Remember, Rishell had a whole bunch of her signs there and then took them away. Now, she will put them back and claim that she is standing up for free speech.
Oh Lord, put the sign back. It looked better than the side of that building! How do we know the sign isn’t being removed by the owners of the property? If that is the case, hopefully they will hop to it and get that ugly side of the house down real quickly.
What is the zoning on that piece of property?
Oh pleeeeease, Patty. That is just too much!! Whomever did it should be ashamed and I do not think it was any Democratic candidate. I was probably some ignorantRedneck.
The sign was on private property. The owner of the property is an American citizen. He has the right to free speech just like every American citizen. It is a shame that someone out there does not feel he is entitled to the same liberties as any American citizen. No matter what anyone thinks of the sign. It is his right!!!! All this action will do is fuel an already blazing fire!
That so-called sign was trashed? That’s a joke. It was trash the day the illegals put it up. It represents the class of the illegal, and anything done to trash won’t make it worse, won’t make it “prettier”. Trash is Trash.
Viewing this with my artistic eye, I am struck by the symbolism of this. First you have a notoriously over-crowded house (full of suspected illegals) that mysteriously burns down. Next, and contentious relationship between the owner and the City develops regarding disposition of the now condemned property. Then the banner shows up. Then the Rishell signs show up. Then the Rishell signs disappear. Then the mysterious “attempted” firebombing by molotov cocktails. Then the rallies/cookouts by MSF on the property. Now the shredding of the sign.
I am also struck by how much press the knucklehead owner has gotten out of this. Perhaps the City should use its powers under eminent domain to sieze the property. We could put one of those historic plaques in front, and pull it into the Manassas Museum system. Afterall, this is a bit of history where the 3rd battle of Manassas is occurring. The difference is, thhis time the invaders are from the South…way South.
What’s the large “stage” in front?
“What’s the large “stage” in front?”
It’s where the Mariachi band was playing during their rally/cookout on Saturday.
Too bad they didn’t rip the whole sign down.
FHL
Based on the lies she has propagated about Jackson Miller through her mailers, it would not surprise me if Rishell stooped to doing something like this. Why, don’t you tell Rishell “shame on you” for mailing out those bunch of lies.
I’m just upset I didnt get invited to their cookout
but maybe it’s good I stayed home, food probably would have given me the runs.
Dream on, Patty.
Josh
Perhaps you can make to her “Grid Iron Grilling” at The City Grill(Pargo’s was there), October 14th for the Skins game!-lol
Today’s MJM article…
“Immigrant work stoppage planned tomorrow”
http://manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353037834&path=
Mentions MSF, sign vandalism, “racism”, etc.
I hope it lasts beyond tomorrow …. and I hope they boycott their behinds right out of the state!
Correction to my above post (@7:23) … it mentioned “racism” in that the sign was “decrying racism”. My bad!
I wonder why they’re not organizing until 3pm tomorrow….probably have to wait everyone gets home from work.
madmom said on 8 Oct 2007 at 8:27 pm:
I wonder why they’re not organizing until 3pm tomorrow
Temperature is supposed to be in the 90’s. They can’t take the “heat.”
Work stoppage? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Are you saying that they might stop sitting on their behind and drinking beer for one day? That’s about all they do now.
Work stoppage means no stealing from stores for an hour
Does this mean we can order fast food in English tomorrow and get our orders correct?
Anon @ 9:12
Perhaps ICE could come and freeze them out of here!
Let’s make that work stoppage permanent.
I drove by the site at 410pm today and channel 7 news was all around taking pictures. Part of the sign was taken down, yet there were several pro-immigration signs there too. In the meantime I remember driving by this house every day for the past year and observing elec cords running from bottom windows to the top windows. I remember thinking…Now theres a fire hazard. When the house burnt I was not surprised.
the sign says that people from prince william are racist.,you guys approved it.
this is not what a normal american does,
if you all from “HELP SAVE MANASSAS, name yorself to be
Americans, just behave yourself. “that’s all.” show the viewers how smart american you are., show the best you are . do not be a L., THEY SAID FREDOM?. “WHAT? I didn’t hear you.
Was that “goodsense” or “nonsense”?
I’m trying to figure it out.
I didn’t get it either. Gibberish.
goodsense do you have some mental problem? I think your momma dropped you on your head one to many times as a baby
Earlier this year I attended a Manassas City Council Meeting where several residents from Liberty Street spoke against the demolition of this house in vain. I had the opportunity to speak with some of those people after the meeting, and even visit their homes, and in part, this is what I was told.
9500 Liberty was used as a boarding house by the current owner until sometime about June 10th, when all occupants were moved out via trucks and trailers in the middle of the night. Then on June 18, 2006 about 5 a.m., the neighbors were awakened by a spanish speaking man shouting statements that were determined to mean “fire”. That neighbor placed a 911 call. The fire can be seen at the link below.
The A word was mentioned several times during the conversation, as well as insurance, and the belief that the owner has plans to request rezoning to commercial, build an office building, and sell.
http://manassasfire.com/previous_headlines/june2006/2006_06_18_9500_liberty_st/2006_06_18_9500_liberty_st.htm
Was this not investigated by the fire dept. or insurance company?
Greg is absolutely correct! The sign should not have been damaged…and just look what the damage has done for MWB publicity. You don’t suppose it could have been an “inside job,” do ya? Sigh…:(
I have no problem with Mr Fernandez having this sign in his yard. This is freedom of speech, no matter how ugly it is. My problem is twofold:
1) He basically is promoting reverse discrimination and he forgets that the Spanish were very much involved in the slave trade.
2) This property is now a demolition zone! He has held two major parties there while this “braced wall” with the sign is standing. The party the day of the fall jubilee, had many little children playing on the property and around the wall. This has to considered a safety hazard.
Where is the city’s safety inspector’s during this. This porperty was posted and should still be posted. His demo permit should be pulled.
I took issue with the assertion that Hispanics never “killed Indians”. I learned in history class about the Spanish Conquistadors, and the havoc they wrecked on the Native American poplulations. I guess they don’t know their own history.
Well all the residents of the two overcrowded condos in my complex all went to work today, I guess that means they are not “illegals”… Boycott? What boycott?
jfk1: except the Hispanics here are not Spanish. They are mestizos. What they speak is not true Spanish, it is adulterated with their language. I doubt they would be understandable in Madrid and definitely not in Barcelona.
dont think the illegals are going to give up a day of work. They need to make money to send back to their third-world countries.
All the ones I saw in my neighborhood packed up their crappy trucks and headed off the work as normal.
Good point Monticup! ever wondered if you would be understood in England? Or better yet would you understand the tru English language?
MANASSAS CITY RESIDENTS,
and really ALL, as MCC allows all to speak at citizens time (unlike MP).
Reminder that if you have comments you want to share about all this, Monday October 22nd at 7:30 pm is citizens comment time at the council meeting, Manassas City Hall.
yeah, I say the same thing , when I speak with rednecks, I barely undertand., but when I talk to people from north, I really feel that I’m in usa.(understand)
I always say that north is the real usa.
good English , very intelligent people.
Austin: 10:00 am (not mike austin)
“…. many little children playing on the property and around the wall. This has to considered a safety hazard.
Where is the city’s safety inspector’s during this.”
This is a really good point. Make the call and ask.
Anon 11:09
Are you implying that the further South you go, the further South your IQ goes?
“…. many little children playing on the property and around the wall. This has to considered a safety hazard.
Where is the city’s safety inspector’s during this.”
OR perhaps all that “running around” the sign actually was what tore it and destroyed it. But, nevermind, we’d never hear that that was the reason it was ruined … how many illegals can you “entertain” on that size lot without some damage being done to the sign?
goodsense on 8 Oct 2007 at 11:09 pm:
Must have graduated from ESL.
Mike Austin: Anon 11:09 strikes me as being semi-literate. I wonder if English is his second language.
“ever wondered if you would be understood in England?”
I have had the occasion to speak with many people from England and they had no trouble understanding me nor did I have any trouble understanding them.
May depend on how far South he calls home.
monticup on 9 Oct 2007 at 10:25 am
You are quite correct. I lived in Spain for four years and the language that Hispanics speak is not even close to what they speak in Spain.
Anonymous on 9 Oct 2007 at 11:09 am:
Well, I park my cahhh in the yaaahd and proud of it!
I understand that most hispanics are a mix of native americans and Spanish “immigrants”. Just as I am not pure European, and to the best of my knowledge none of my ancestors ever owned a slave or killed and Indian. And, I don’t speak the Queen’s English.
usa—worer — england– woter.
“water”
I’m from Manassas, 40 years of age and still know the people who reside on Liberty Street which was once all African-American and these neighborhoods had occupants with pride…they took care of the lawns, homes, apartments and in comes this jerk with this stupid sign. Now while I don’t condone bad action, how many of you would have wanted this sign up in your neighborhoods?
I know I wouldn’t and it should have never been allowed to stay up in the first place!
Keep up the heat but don’t break any laws and Americans of all color need to come together and rid this area of ALL illegal immigrants!
Angry -
AMEN!!!!!!!!!! We will press forward, and keep the heat on! I refuse to let the illegal alien population continue to destroy our towns and neighborhoods….enough already!
BTW - any luck with ICE?
I agree 100% with Angry! We must unite to resolve this major illegal alien problem.
monticup - Wikipedia: ” Spaniards call their language “espanol” (I don’t have the tilde) when contrasting it with languages of other nations, but call it Castilian when contrasting it with other languages spoken in Spain such as Galician, Basque, and Catalan. ( Catalan is spoken in Barcelona, where I saw official signs and menus in three languages, Castilian, Catalan, and Basque.) Castilian is the official Spanish language of the State. The other languages shall also be official in their respective Automonous Communities”. To say that Central American Spanish is nothing like “real” Spanish is not correct.
As for English and understanding different dialects. Try to understand a macho matey fr Melbourne after a few beers! Or a Cockney in London!
We used to have firewood peddlers come around in old trucks, most seemed to be fr around Culpeper, and their English was almost impossible to understand. Deep Southern speech is still difficult for me after having learned the language in Massachussetts.
The spanish in Spain is Castillian Spanish….the Castillians view Central Americans as a sub-culture.
justice - what do you mean, sub-culture? Who knows, maybe the British view Americans as a sub-culture also since we don’t speak the Queen’s English, like the Central Americans don’t speak the regal Castilian language. They DO speak Spanish, don’t they, otherwise why would you all complain about Spanish being spoken “everywhere”?
Krutis, that,s EXACTLY what I mean….or another word would be INFERIOR. My grandmother was born and raised in Spain and spoke Castillian Spanish…she made it VERY clear that lst was not Latino, but Spanish. The “Spanish” spoken in Central American countries is considered inferior to the Castillian. The spanish spoken in Central American countries is, in many cases, comprised of several dialects not rooted in Spain.
“lst” should be “she”.
hispanics,don’t need to speak like people from spain.
spanish fron america “south” is 10 feet tall.
spanish from spain 5 feet tall.
but, we speak the same, we are amigos.
The sign should have been taken down by the government as an eyesore. But, as with everything associated with this issue, we trip over our own regulations and rules that the other side doesn’t feel any need to adhere to.
I’m a parishoner at All Saints, and the push is on to equate the struggle of illegal immigrants as a Social Justice issue. Our pastor even had the gall this past weekend to equate the plight of unborn babies to illegal immigrants. Both are equally helpless, and in need of protection, according to him. I sat there too stunned to walk out, wishing later that I had. I hope other Catholics out there feel the same way I do. I have tried to discuss this issue with Chris Core ( a fellow Catholic), but he apparently doesn’t want to have a radio show about the specific topic. Our church has really sold itself out on this issue; it makes me sick. Any other All Saints parishoners out there with similar feelings?
It’s interesting seeing Americans making negative judgments about the Spanish spoken in Latin American considering that many in Britain (and some of Britain’s former colonies) consider American English vastly inferior.
I have traveled a lot in Spain in regions where Castilian is considered an imposed dialect. In Galicia and Catalonia, for example, you see signs with the Castilian crossed out and the Galician or Catalan written in and there is a educational movement there to reinforce Galician with the young. Galician is very close to Portuguese and you can tell the difference with Castilian immediately. That’s even more true in Catalonia, not to mention the Basque country, whose language is totally unrelated to any form of Spanish. Asturias has its own dialect as well, though it is not receiving the same kind of support. Franco had a lot to do with enforcing Castilian as a national language even though he was born in Galicia. To think of Spain as linguistically monolithic is very odd.
greedy, not gready
We’re all pretty much of the same mindset on this issue. But, please, we need to restrain our speech. The good old days of unrestrained free speech are, sadly, over. US Code has been amended in recent years not only with respect to so-called “hate” speech, but also with regard to speech that could be interpreted as constituting speech that may incite violence or other criminal acts. We are individually and collectively under a very intense microscope now. We don’t want to endanger Greg or the cause of Help Save Manassas in terms of criminal or civil liability. Let’s tone it down people, for the sake of our arguments and for Greg personally, who provides this forum at some not insubstantial litigation risk. Greg is a citizen activist, not a lawyer… let’s police ourselves for his benefit, and for the benefit of this forum. Write every post as if an eagle-eyed government lawyer is reviewing it for any sense of criminal provocation.
jfk1 - I sometimes attend A.S. Never had the stomach to join (recall the previous scandal(s). The pastor has apparently been influenced by modernism and liberation theology. It becomes obvious when you find out who/what he is “generous” with and who/what he is not. He fits in very well with the diocesan immigration agenda. It is false charity. He has been told who MSF are and their affiliations, but he doesn’t care. He allows his hispanic populace to continue to be lied to by these pro-illegal groups, taken advantage of by them with their continuous propaganda that the resolution is aimed at ALL immigrants, spreading fear and pitting neighbor against neighbor by driving home the message that anyone wanting to enforce our laws are racists.
OSR - HelpSaveManassas official positions are at www.helpsavemanassas.org. Many people inside & outside the organization leave comments here on both sides of the issue. There are way wacky people on both sides of the issue, as well.
Someone on another thread posted in Spanish, I do not know Spanish so,I did the internet translator ( 3 independent source.. SAME translation)
It comes down to DIALECT….just as so many want to say squat about the English that is spoken here…some will call it Redneck bs… it is really getting petty.( ya’ll, you’ns, wash, warsh…. wtfe)
I went to Italy when I was 18 ( no other travel, language training at that time) I thought Italian sounded a lot like Spanish. I remember mentioning that there and they understood. ( Spain is close to Italy)
This was so many years ago. I remember being “corrected” that it was not the same even when talking about Spain.( same stuff we are talking about here…YEARS later)
IT COMES DOWN TO DIALECT
BOTTOM LINE: NO MATTER WHAT LANGUAGE YOU SPEAK: THERE IS RIGHT AND WRONG.
By the way, that was MANASSAS dialect.
All this talk about the Queen’s English, etc….I CAN ? HAVE proof of my heritage on the Mayflower and agree……..let’s talk slang…whatever….
tomato=tamato…..I can’t hear you…loosing the ARGUMENT of the small stuff ( NOTHING gets solved that way…lost in translation?)
Report on FoxNews5 tonight: ICE was HERE. They have been busy after all. http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4593803&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
jfk1 said on 9 Oct 2007 at 9:18 pm:
…”Our church has really sold itself out on this issue; it makes me sick. Any other All Saints parishoners out there with similar feelings?”
YES!
Legal2,
ICE was busy!! Still lots more to round up. I reported graffiti yesterday, and was told that it was MS-13. This was in WestGate, and it’s the second “tagging” here since 9/4/07!! Sounds, like ICE could round a few more up right here!!
Thanks for the link!
Lafayette - Is it feasible to report the gang graffiti to ICE? I believe the ones they arrested yesterday were in Loudoun County.
FaithHopeLove said on 8 Oct 2007 at 4:57 pm:
Oh pleeeeease, Patty. That is just too much!! Whomever did it should be ashamed and I do not think it was any Democratic candidate. I was probably some ignorantRedneck.
Looks like FaithHopeLove is an ignorant redneck and s/he seems to be confessing. Freudian?
ManassassResident…all saints catholic or episc.? There are two in this county.
Angry black man, I too understand the historical significance of Liberty St. and Lord knows we need no commercial devel on the corner. I do believe, or have experienced that not only does Liberty street contain the first “brown school” avail in PWC but the street houses some of the first YATES family members that have lived on the street for generations. Little do many people realize on this site, how prevelant the Gaskins, Tibbs, Ewell, Harris, Murrary, Yates, Bates, and Mills etc. surnames have existed in this town from it’s conception. As a white woman married into one of these families, I never realized the extent of which my husbands white family was inter- connected with the black families in Manassas going back generations. I would have conferences with parents and they would inquire…Mills? Are you related to so and so Harris? So and so Ewell? They would ask if I was a Woodbridge Mills or a Manassas Mills. Who knew?
all saints=”catholic”
The same all saints that provided a venue for Mexicans w/o Borders, Woodbridge Workers, et al, including Manes Pierre, candidate for school board, to speak after the July 10th unanimous vote for the Resolution.
I don’t believe “ignorance” of the situation is a defense for having a candidate speak on a tax-exempt church property, but that is what they claim.
Everyone keep up the pressure. In the Post today, Fairfax County now is another jail that will work with the ICE and it’s becoming a snowball effect. 33 local agencies (mostly in county jails) have formed partnerships with ICE and 70 more local agencies have requested to do so additionally. Mecklenburg County in NC, has placed 2,839 people into deportation hearings in less than 2 years.
Keep up the goodwork!
I just thought of some things that the creators of the sign left off:
1. We steal your identities.
2. We steal your social security numbers.
3. We steal benefits (like foodstamps, WIC, subsidized housing, etc.) that are meant for legal taxpaying citizens.
4. We steal medical care (by using your ERs as a free medical clinic).
5. We demand that things are put in our language not yours.
6. We throw trash all around our neighborhoods.
Don’t forget the 48,000 Americans killed by ILLEGAL ALIENS since 9/11!!!
I find it interesting that anyone would tear up a sign they did not like. You just advocate for removing Free Speech when you do that, and passing more laws to prevent vandalism of people’s private property. As long as it was not illegal, it should remain. If it was illegal (like flying another nations’ flag over our own) it should be removed by the law enforcement community.
The proper thing for good citizen’s to do is put up ANOTHER legal sign that explains and protests the stupity and racial, ethnic, religious, gender ethics violation of signs and political groups that only support one race, one gender, one religion, and one ethnic group over the rest of us.
This issue is about discrimminating legal behavior, from illegal behavior and illegal people from legal people (something I posted in a blog further back that Leila seems unable to do as she praises the “virtues” of one illegal group over another, while missing the far broader issue of the overwhelming destructive nature of the overall “illegal” population on our community. THIS we are legally entitled to discrimminate against unless the liberal idiots out there want us to support CRIME as a noble virtue in our community. Get a brain people!
I forgot, some people don’t have any. So much for DNA distribution equity.