Bi-Partisan Buffoonery On Illegal Immigration
By Greg L | 9 October 2007 | Faisal Gill, Prince William County | 44 Comments
It’s hard enough to engage in the debate over illegal immigration without having perhaps well meaning, but completely ignorant candidates running around saying things that are just completely ridiculous. This pollution of the immigration debate with false premises and campaign promises that are absolutely impossible given current federal law is completely irresponsible, and it’s happening on both sides of the aisle. Although any discussion of immigration is going to involve far more state and federal law than most voters can reasonably be expected to understand, candidates who depend on voters to buy into this shallow pandering in order to be elected are demonstrating that they are completely unfit to hold a position of trust in our government.
Let’s start with a Democrat, candidate for County Supervisor Sharon Pandak. She’s an attorney, and thus would be expected to display some degree of understanding of the law that surrounds her campaign statements. She’s telling voters on her website that “she supports holding businesses accountable when they knowingly hire illegal immigrants”, although she is not at all specific about how she intends to do that. Holding a business accountable would seem to indicate to me, absent any specifics, that she’s either intending to fine or jail employers who hire illegal aliens. States and localities are not permitted to do this under Title 8 of the United States Code, Section 1324a. It’s a fine idea, it’s just one that would be overturned instantly if it was ever passed into law, and Sharon Pandak should know this. An attorney proposing patently unlawful legislation should never be considered as someone deserving of public trust.
On the Republican side, 51st House District candidate and immigration law attorney Faisal Gill has stuck his neck out even further recently in the Manassas Urinal-Massager, which inaccurately describes him as a candidate in the 52nd District, a seat currently held by Delegate Jeff Frederick. He makes the same proposals as Pandak, as if he’s trying to adopt her campaign platform, even down to singling out developers for special unlawful treatment. But then he goes on to make proposals that would violate Federal Fair Housing Laws (isn’t he on the housing commission?) by saying that illegal aliens “don’t have a right to own a home.” In actuality, foreign nationals are permitted (and should be) to purchase real estate and are legally allowed to provide “taxpayer identification numbers” in lieu of a Social Security Number under federal law. TINs under federal law do not require proof of legal status in order to be granted.
Then Gill goes on to call for raising the penalty for hiring illegal aliens from a misdemeanor to a felony. As a potential member of the House of Delegates, he must understand that he has no power to enact federal laws. Besides, under 8 USC 1324 the penalty for hiring illegal aliens, as long as there’s a pattern of such behavior, is between five and ten years which even Faisal Gill should understand is already a felony punishment. Is it his intent to make this more of a felony violation than it already is? A super-felony, perhaps?
Candidates must be responsible in crafting their legislative agendas and while making promises to their supporters. If somehow they manage to pull the wool over the eyes of their prospective constituents and get elected, what they propose must be at least legally viable. To have candidates who make their living through the practice of law propose “solutions” that they should know are legally indefensible is either an indication that they’re too incompetent to hold office, or too reckless in their promises to be trusted as legislators. Because of their legal credentials, it’s also reasonable to conclude that these two candidates are well aware that they’re proposing unlawful solutions and looking for an easy way of explaining at some future date why they can’t keep their campaign promises. “The court said we couldn’t do that” isn’t going to cut it here.
Since both of these candidates are lawyers, perhaps at some future public event someone will ask them why they’re doing this. And maybe, just maybe, someone from a local newspaper will be there to listen and think for a moment about how interesting a story it might be to actually dig into the campaign promises of local candidates and see if they make any sense at all, rather than simply parrot the drivel that these candidates have been handing them so far. In the meantime, there’s precious few out there who are demonstrating any real interest in actually informing the electorate about the issues and the law that surrounds them. Candidates like Pandak and Gill are poisoning the debate with false representations of what the law says that not only make it harder to educate the electorate, but should demonstrate that they are entirely unfit for elected office.
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I am sitting here looking at Miller and FitzSimmonds campaign literature and letters and they say basically the same thing as Pandak and Gill. Let’s face it. Politicians will say whatever they have to to get elected.
You keep saying we need to do all these things but yet when they are purposed by the candidates you don’t like you say they should know better. So Greg what do you purpose as the “Final Solution” to the immigration issue. If like many people have said “this is a federal issue” why send tax payers money on things that will not work. I don’t like the situation any more than anyone else but I’m not willing to piss in the wind just to have it all return in few years when either the “legal children” grow up or the next housing boom. Reagan gave them amnesty in 84 and as long as there are jobs they will just keep coming.
Yesterday, Greg, you defended Mr. Stewart against Ms Pandak’s charges of ineffectiveness on 2I issues by indignantly pointing out the federal law prevents state and local government from penalizing employers for illegal hiring. And you were correct to make this obvious point. Why not make it again today?
Immigration is a strongly occupied field at the federal level. This issue is being shamelessly and recklessly gamed by people who either don’t understand it (a disqualifier for a position of public trust) or by people who understand it and are gaming it anyway (another more compelling disqualifier). What’s worse, it’s being pushed forward without accurate calculations of the dimensions of the problems or the costs of fixing them, particularly when the “fixes” are local. Even if this weren’t a constitutional and fiscal problem, there’s a huge political problem in terms of the relationships of local governments to the legal immigrant community. There an article in the Post today about negative impacts all this hollering has had on legal Hispanic families in our communities.
The security and economic prosperity of the United States depend on attracting the large numbers of immigrants over the next decades. All the protestations of making distinctions between legal and illegal status can’t hide the ugliness of the tone of this debate, much of which, whether intended or not, sounds like anti-foreign hysteria.
Federal policy is a mess, it needs comprehensive reform, and I’d stand by anyone who wanted to make a rational solution at the federal level the first order of business. This other stuff is destructive, is totally trashing the Republican Party and violates virtually every worthwhile conservative principle I can think of.
FaithHopeLove,
I doubt Greg will fall for the “Final Solution” bait.
The goal of HSM, and groups like them, is to make their various localities unattractive places for illegal aliens to live and work, to the point where they pick up and move on their own, to somewhere more attractive, like Montgomery County MD.
You give yourself away with that “federal issue” business. This is the cry of the crowd who do not want anything done about this. So, I assume that you are against localities participating in the 287G program, whereby illegals convicted of crimes in the community are handed over to ICE for deportation?
These candidates (Pandak, Gill, Colgan, Rishell) should and do know better. They are counting on your not knowing what is workable. The State can revoke a business license of a business owner who has been convicted of hiring illegals. However, the State and localities cannot levy fines against the business owner, because of Federal preemption. Miller and Fitz both know this, and both are proposing business license revocation, not fines. Rishell proposes fines. She knows that her solution is not workable, but is counting on the voters to buy her “get tough” lie. Colgan tried to convince us that most of the day laborers we see are from El Salvador, and since some people from El Salvador are eligible for “Temporary Protected Status” then most are here illegally. This is a lie. Very few are eligible, and even fewer approved.
Oh let’s just face it. The illegal immigration issue right now is an election ploy. All the Republicans except Gill are the good guys and all the Democrats, except Nichols, who is opposing Gill, are the bad guys. Anyone who voices any opinion at all, other than the prescribed party line, is an ‘illegal alien sympathizer.’
After the election is over, then we can get down to the serious business of looking at our community problems through a less jaundiced eye.
Gill has a position on illegal immigration? That’s news to me. Gill’s problem is that not a single legislator in the Republican caucus thinks he’s going to win, so none of them have wasted their time by briefing or coaching him on any of the key issues.
Let’s face it. If by some strange circumstance he actually wins, he’s going to be another one of those legislators that sits there and waits for everyone else’s vote to light up on the board so he’ll know how he should vote too.
How do we fine the IRS for giving out the codes which allow these people to work in the first place
illegal is just a big sick bird
Actually, the home thing is a good idea. Illegal immigrants do not have the right to own a home. Of course foreigners can purchase homes and other property in the united states, but they must be legally here. i.e. not residing in the US, so here on a travel visa, or here with some other temporary or permanent visa. The county clerks could potentially ask to see proof of legal status, i.e. visa before recording the transaction. That may very well be legal. I have opened a bank account in a foreign country before and i had to show my visa to get a non work allowed type of social security number to open the account with.
I have got to give politicians credit, they desserve every penny earned by their lies!
People, law enforcment agencies already handover illigal criminal to be deported. Illigals have no rights in this country. Nobody is going to do anything different than what is already going on, and has been going on for who knows how long.
What’s next they are going to proppose that they are going take money out of our income to pay for all goverment funds and social services…
Be honest and Be direct, don’t say something and pretend to say something else, by adding a bunch of words and US Codes, etc. SAY IT! we hate Illigals, ALL ILLIGALS, and while you’re at it why don’t you say, if we let illigals have the same rights, one day they will hold my current position bossing my children or grand children around, something unavoidable.
The Problem is the Border which makes it Federal. If I had a leak in my ceiling, I would fix the leak before I would paint over the problem area only to have it return. Once we fix the leaky border then we can clean up our neighborhoods. They are coming in faster than we can kick them out.
I am a small business owner with about 115 employee’s roughly 10% of them Hispanic. In the construction industry most of my competitors employ 50% Hispanic or more.
I use a Federal Government Website to confirm the social security number and names of my employees match. To date this is the best way I have found to ensure my employees are legal. I have 11 employees from El Salvador. Their documentation was set to expire September 9th, but the Federal Government (NOT STATE OF VIRGINIA) extended it by another 18 months. Last year the Government extended it by 12 months. I have pasted the Federal Information from uscis website. I didn’t see the debate Belfrey, but you’ wrong. Of my 11 employees everyone was part of this program.
As for Greg, it’s simple he only supports Republican and only if the not Hispanic or Muslim.
INFORMATION POSTED FROM USCIS
Announcements
DHS Announces Publication of Notice in the Federal Register for 18-Month Extension of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Nationals of El Salvador, 08/21/2007
Questions and Answers: DHS Extends Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for El Salvador for 18 Months, 08/21/2007
Please note: El Salvador was previously designated for TPS from 1991 to 1992, pursuant to section 303 of the Immigration Act of 1990. That designation expired in 1992, at which time TPS beneficiaries were offered Deferral of Enforced Departure (DED), a related form of temporary relief from removal. Those earlier TPS and DED programs are unrelated to the current TPS designation for El Salvador which began on March 9, 2001.
Billyboy, you might want to take a look at the “Do the right thing” program which might give you a small competitive advantage over your competitors who don’t follow the law:
http://helpsavemanassas.org/dotherightthing.php
“America’s elites don’t want the borders closed.
Businesses want low wage workers; intellectuals are
wed to global visions of cross border prosperity;
politicians want Hispanic loyalty and votes. It’s not
convenient for any of them to close the borders. If
Americans on the ground are enduring difficulties over this,
it’s … too bad.”
“America has, since 1990, experienced the biggest
wave of immigrants since the great wave of 1880-1920.
We have never stopped to absorb it. Is it any wonder
we have indigestion?”
“Why not give the latest immigrants time
to absorb our meaning, language, history and traditions?”
“Stop illegal immigration. Build a wall, but put doors
in the wall so when the problem is over, we can open the
doors.”
Peggy Noonan
Wall Street Journal
11-25-2006
Hickspanic said on 9 Oct 2007 at 9:26 am:
SAY IT! we hate Illigals, ALL ILLIGALS
We hate illigals, ALL ILLIGALS (SIC)
Now what?
The only people that should be elected are the ones that see PWC/Manassas as their only purpose. All others, regardless are not worthy of your vote.
If you vote party line, you are voting to either support business or bleeding hearts. If you vote for those that have started the work and would like a chance to finish it and have a demonstrated record of PWC/Manassas as their top priority we will all win. Now that the Commerce Committe appears to be on board with this issue, our folks who tried last year may have a better chance. Personally, I am voting all over the place party wise just to pick those that CARE FOR US.
Anyone who thinks voting for someone using this as springboard to something else is not thinking.
As you wish….
Billyboy on 9 Oct 2007 at 10:02 am:
Do you know why the “protected status” keeps getting extended?
The president of el Salvador claims that the economic climate there has not improved over the years (because of a hurricane) over 10 years ago, and therefore don’t send them back because we need the money they are sending “home.” It was in the paper last week that 25 percent of the Salvadoran population is living in the U.S.
Try getting the current elected officals from the city and county to work together now. They are from the same party but hate each other.
Anonymous
My point. The last group to figure out that party affililiation is meaningless are the voters. This is a rude awakening and increase in personal responsiblity as now they can’t just know what party you think represents you, you have to do some work and figure out which person represents you.
Do you think when Bush and Kerry see each other they think Democrat/Republican or Yalie?
Like i’ve said before there are bigger problems in this country, State, County, and City. Stop masking your racism with your wanabe political discussions, thank you Anonymous, thank you for being honest and showing your true face.
This only proves our theory correct, it’s not about illigals, it’s about intimidation. I encourage everybody, not just illigals, hispanics, blacks, whites, everybody! to further their education, do not be fooled by political BS, and especially do not be intimidated by people of HSM, or other similar groups, who can’t do nothing about anything, therefore all you can do is cry and bitch over insignificant things.
I encourage all ILLEGAL ALIENS to further their education in their country at their expense.
Hickspanic,
You criticize HSM…what about MSF, Unity in the Community and other similar groups? If any groups resort to intimidation these groups should be the FIRST to come to mind.
Yes, we have problems but many of them would be significantly reduced if the illegal aliens would return to their homeland. Being a parent of 4 children the school delma is very significant. Overcrowded classrooms, lack of funding and poor SOL scores would all improve if illegal aliens left and took their children with them. Lets move on to the state of our local hospitals? Swing by the maternity ward and ER. If you think for one minute that illegal aliens are paying these bills you are mistaken. I don’t consider education, healthcare, identity theft, crime, neighborhood deterioration,……and the list goes on as insignigicant.
What the people are hearing: (1) Immigration is a federal problem. (2) State and local governments are able to do precious little about immigration because it must be addressed at the federal level.
HOWEVER, (1) the federal government refuses to enforce the laws regarding immigration. Instead, it tries the old “I’ll gladly enforce the laws at some time in the (distant) future in return for amnesty for millons of illegal aliens TODAY. Plus their immediate families and lots of family reunification as time goes by.” (2) When state and local governments attempt to fulfill their citizens’ wishes for strict enforcement, they are sued or courts delay implementation of their laws. Even if these governments prevail in the long run - as I believe they will - they are forced to spend millions of dollars in taxes - money better used for other things - in order to fill in where the federal government has purposefully failed to enforce the laws.
So what does all of this mean: Are we citzens supposed to meekly accept the lawlessness that is destroying our communities because neither party seems to want to do anything and because they make it extremely difficult for third parties to be effective? Are we supposed to surrender? Accept complete and total defeat? What do posters like some of the above suggest we do?
Could Hickspanic please stop spelling “illegal” as “illigal”?
Por favor.
4kidsandadog:
“Overcrowded classrooms, lack of funding and poor SOL scores would all improve if illegal aliens left and took their children with them.”
That’s a line that some would have you believe, in truth the deportation of illegal aliens would likely have no significant impact on those issues.
The overcrowded classrooms are a direct result of poor or non-existant planning by the BOCS, School Board and the Planning Offices responsive to both (yes they each have their own planning offices and both do a miserable job). You can’t build thousands of new homes and then as a matter of policy underestimate the number of school age children those homes will generate. Talk to a few planners and you will find that the County Planning Office encourages them to lowball impact estimates, school age children, traffic counts, etc. If anyone has a real issue with overcrowded schools you need to take that up as a separate issue with both boards as they are directly responsible.
Lack of funding is a good one, its not the schools are underfunded, it is that several programs and administrative layers are overfunded and overstaffed. Unfortunately, just as the County Executive refuses to provide a detailed budget wherein you could drill down and find the excesses and waste, so to does the Superintendant’s Office.
Poor SOL scores we could probably argue endlessly about. I suspect the truth lies closer to cultural differences and disparties in formal education levels, differences and disparties that are not limited to any particular race, creed or legal status. What should concern you more is the dramatic decrease in SAT scores as ultimately they are of greater importance. Unfortunately so long as the PWCS teaches to the SOL exam and the School Board/Superintendant’s Office encourage/mandate that elementary teachers teach the basics such as spelling less (third grade teachers are not “allowed” to give their students spelling words) and focus more on making the students feel better about themselves, those scores are likely to continue to spiral downward. One needs look no further than the current elementary letter grade policy for proof that Walts is dragging the system down. If your elementary school child answers every question on his test/quiz correctly, scores a 100, he/she gets a “C” as the school system expects them to answer every one correctly and thus answering each one correctly only makes the student average thus the “C”. In order to get an “A” or a “B”, the student must do more than what is asked on the exam. What is more you ask, I have been told: color the answers, write additional information on the back of the test, draw a picture, etc. What a crock of Sh*t.
Mom
sorry about that “ILLEGAL” you happy now? i see you became the local spell-check rep. does it make you feel important?
My way of thinking, is everybody should be accountable for their actions, stop this sterotypical behavior that is so old fashion, it makes you look and sound ignorant than the people you are trying to attack.
Anonyms,
As a matter of fact I did know the reason. Shouldn’t the Federal Government encourage El Salvador to rebuild? At what point can we send these folks home. Let them go do the jobs there that nobody wants to do
Hickspanic, if I were the local spell-check rep, I would have called you (and others) on a lot more mistakes. It was just that that particular word, illegal, comes up a lot here. So seeing it several times in your posts misspelled consistently over and over was getting a bit much. And I wasn’t even the Anon who had to put (sic) after “illigal” when quoting you.
Anonyms,
As a matter of fact I did know the reason. Shouldn’t the Federal Government encourage El Salvador to rebuild? At what point can we send these folks home. Let them go do the jobs there that nobody wants to do.
Greg,
My customers are Builder who cannot understand why I don’t have more Hispanic employees. They believe Hispanic labor is cheaper. Skilled legal labor is all the same price regardless of race.
One of the things Pandak suggests is that we work with Congress to change the laws. One of the things she suggests is that the BOCS — not just Corey Stewart speaking on his own behalf — along with our regional congressional delegation, representatives from surrounding jurisdictions and others WORK TOGETHER to bring the issue before Congress and see that laws are changed.
All our politicians are basically saying the same things — enforce the laws that we can.
“So what does all of this mean: Are we citzens supposed to meekly accept the lawlessness that is destroying our communities because neither party seems to want to do anything and because they make it extremely difficult for third parties to be effective? Are we supposed to surrender? Accept complete and total defeat? What do posters like some of the above suggest we do?”
All I know is, the efforts of Help Save Manassas is pointing out a MAJOR problem in this area, and as a result, like it or not, the area is getting a bad reputation. People don’t want to move here.
Here is what I recommend:
1. If the BOCS funds the resolution:
a. We do NOT re-elect anyone who voted no during the vote.
2. If the BOCS does not fund the resolution:
a. We do NOT re-elect anyone (even those that voted yes for funding).
This is an all or nothing vote. Illegal immigration is our number one issue (and our BOCS knows this). Therefore, if they cannot all come together on this most important issue, none of them should get re-elected. It will prevent positional vote gaming.
Peace said on 9 Oct 2007 at 2:24 pm:
“So what does all of this mean: Are we citzens supposed to meekly accept the lawlessness that is destroying our communities because neither party seems to want to do anything and because they make it extremely difficult for third parties to be effective? Are we supposed to surrender? Accept complete and total defeat? What do posters like some of the above suggest we do?”
All I know is, the efforts of Help Save Manassas is pointing out a MAJOR problem in this area, and as a result, like it or not, the area is getting a bad reputation. People don’t want to move here.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to move forward!
Has anyone seen the Mexicans with Borders?
Anonymous said on 9 Oct 2007 at 1:10 pm: “The overcrowded classrooms are a direct result of poor or non-existant planning by the BOCS, School Board and the Planning Offices responsive to both (yes they each have their own planning offices and both do a miserable job).”
How wrong you are! There are area’s of prince william county that have not had any new construction, yet the schools are overcrowded. How do you explain that?
“How wrong you are! There are area’s of prince william county that have not had any new construction, yet the schools are overcrowded. How do you explain that?”
You obviously don’t pay much attention to land use applications before the board. I challenge you to find a magisterial district that hasn’t had multiple applications for residential rezonings or infill development over the past few years. When combined with school boundary adjustments designed to ease some of the overcrowding, land use decisions can have a ripple effect on seemingly unaffected areas of the county. Stonewall Jackson H.S. is a case in point, it has gone from overcrowded to under capacity and is now an option for those who don’t want to attend the overcrowded Brentsville High School. Can’t wait to see the boundary adjustments or trailer additions that will occur this summer to make up for the growth in Battlefield’s student population. Explanation enough?
Mom
“Has anyone seen the Mexicans with Borders?”
No, but I’ve seen Mexicans With Boarders.
Mom, why would you deliberately write that drivel about Prince William County Schools? I would go so far as to say you simply do not know what you are talking about, again. Must be that overly inflated ego.
Of course students learn to spell and take spelling tests. The grading system has not changed in years and it is the same one that was used under Dr. Ed Kelly. I called spelling words to the first grader last night. He has a spelling test on Friday. Perhaps the issue is with one particular teacher. Put away the broad brush.
If you misrepresent information that is so easily verifiable, why should anyone give you any credence as to who to vote for in an election? I think I will vote for Sharon Pandak just because you implied something was wrong with her.
Dolph, perhaps you need a remedial course in reading comprehension, I noted that the “spelling words” policy begins in the third grade, perhaps I did not make that clear enough. Similarly, the grading policy begins with letter grades in 3rd grade, it is easily verified so why don’t you do that before shooting off your yap.
Mom
Lets take up a collection to send hickspanic back to the country he loves, with the stipulation that he take dolph with him.
Mom, obviously if spelling tests are allowed in first grade and 7th grade, they are allowed in third grade. Pardon me for taking the issue a step further and not spelling it out explicitly which is probably what is needed with someone like you.
The grading system in third grade is the same as it was under Ed Kelly. I am not chosing sides on superintendants but why single out Walts? The real problem is that the grading system needs to be consistent with the high school grading system. Grades 3-7 use the 4 point system which allows students go get way too many zeroes. When the students hit the real grading system, they have many years of the bullets (zeroes) not being real.
Anonymous of 8:38-a free vacation! wow!
Muérdame
4kidsnadog on 9 Oct 2007 at 12:18 pm:
Did you happen to catch Lou Dobbs tonite. He ran a clip of Vincinte Fox on Larry King. A caller asked Fox why U.S. citiziens are paying the medical bills for the illegals from Mexico. He said U.S. citizens are not paying the bills. I guess Mexico is reimburshing all the hospital emergency rooms in the country only we don’t know about it.
Hickspanic on 9 Oct 2007 at 11:31 am:
I was just following your instructions. That is not my true feeling. I don’t hate anyone. I dislike a lot of the things I am seeing in the county and the city and would like to see the illegals pack it up and leave but I do not hate them.
“The grading system in third grade is the same as it was under Ed Kelly.”
Perhaps I’m not making myself clear or we just have a disconnect, I’m not addressing the grade scale itself but rather the manner in which grades are assigned to tests and quizes. Call me old-fashioned but it is my belief that if you answer all the questions on exam designed to your knowledge of a subject you deserve an “A”. If you can only get a “C” for 100% proficiency as measured by the test and can only achieve a higher grade by creatively adding to the exam then the system is either setting the bar to low with the exam or teaching to the lowest common denominator, neither of which is acceptable. I don’t particularly care how disparate letter grades affect the relative self-esteem of various students, I just want them to be able to read, write and survive without a calculator. It’s hardly a ground-breaking premise that declining standardized test are likely a result of less emphasis on the basics.
BTW, several teachers have placed the onus of this new grading policy squarely on Walts.
I do however agree that the grading systems need to consistent.
Mom
“States and localities are not permitted to do this under Title 8 of the United States Code, Section 1324a.”
Not exactly.
States and localities are NOT preempted by federal law in the areas of licensing and similar laws (1324 a.h.2). Any locality can use these tools for controlling illegal business activities if it wishes.
Also, true, foreign nationals are allowed to purchase property (else foreign companies couldn’t own any business prperties). Illegal aliens, however, who are NOT under the category of foreign nationals, are NOT entitled to use the instruments of buying property, such as loans and mortgages, are are NOT entitlted to ITINs.
The politicians may be fuzzy on the laws, but you have to brush up, too.
Anyone who accepts an ITIN as any sort of identification, particularly for a loan, is an idiot.
The IRS specifically says that ITINs should NOT be used for identification, because they don’t require much documentation.