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Mexicans Without Borders At The BOCS Today
By Greg L | 9 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 94 Comments
I’ve heard that Mexicans Without Borders is planning to show up in force again at today’s 2:00 PM session of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors and whine about the county’s efforts to restore the rule of law in the county. There are no scheduled votes during today’s session regarding the illegal alien problem, but we’re only a week out from what may be the final vote on the implementation of the county’s policies that were adopted on July 10th.
Since today is supposedly the day of the work stoppage by Mexicans Without Borders, that might mean a marginal increase in the number of illegal alien apologists that might attend. For those few citizens who aren’t fully engaged in productive efforts to support our local economy and feed their families today, this would be a good use of your time.
Picture at top-left: SubCommandante Zero, leader of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation in Mexico, which is the parent organization of Mexicans Without Borders. (reference)
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where i work it is about 50% hispanic [50-60 pretty good guys and legal] and they all showed up for work today, so that would lead me to believe that maybe the msf protest is not going to be very successful. also i registered to vote here yesterday.
Speaking of boycott, did anybody compile a list of the stores that displayed that ‘Green’ sign during the ecomomic boycott this past September?
Will ICE be there? THEY SHOULD BE!
It’s probably going to be the same people you see at any of these protests. A large number of them are transported from outside the area to “grow” their numbers. Check the video and see the same faces.
I Think the subcommandante needs to lay off the chow. He looks pretty stoopid in that outfit
I fight against the illegal alien apologists. Can I take a day off work today too? I need a rest…haha.
Today would be a good beach day.
I’m calling ICE now and hopefully they show up too! If we deport illegals daily then it is a start!
Time for ALL illegals to go!
If ANYONE here can get their hands on the latest American Legion magazine, it has a GREAT article with ways we can win the war against the illegals. The author makes a VERY good point comparing them to Al Queda as the 2 groups do exactly the same things to their “enemies”, just one does it in the Middle East whereas the other does it on OUR border.
Also, might I recommend they change their name to “Mexicans without JOBS!!!” or “Mexicans without LIVES” because IF they REALLY cared, they would be WORKING not PROTESTING.
I hope someone can go to the 2:00 pm BOCS meeting. We will try to make the 7:30 meeting.
Their organizational name could be “probable cause” to investigate those associated with the group to determine legal status…right? Afterall, illegal aliens and their supporters are the ones that say there are no borders.
John Light,
Excellent point. I will see if I can get a copy and post it.
How about Mexicans Without Brains or Mexican Welfare Burden? That way they can keep the same English acronym. All the efforts of the MWB do nothing but infuriate Legal Americans through insults and destruction.
Patriot, not in any remotely legal notion of “probable cause.”
http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN%2FMGArticle%FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353043354&path=!news
COREY STEWART IS pandering for votes from illegal alien apologist!
In Today’s newspaper Corey Stewart is seen with known sinister Islamic radical Faisal Gill at a press release.
Why would STEWART endorse someone with known terrorist ties?
Corey Stewart is using Illegal Immigration to STEAL your vote on November 6th. If Muslims come out to vote for Gill as Delegate in the 51st House of Delegates, he thinks they will also be voting for him. Not true.
In Faisal Gill’s latest flyer Chairman Corey Stewart was quoted, “ Faisal Gill has been with us every step of the way in our battle to control development and attempt to solve the growth and transportation crisis here in Northern VA.”
Stewart has accepted in excess of $20,000 from the Muslim community.
COREY STEWARTS WIFE IS NOT A CITIZEN but has lived in this country for over 13 years!
Do NOT vote for STEWART, please. We don’t need him to win the battle against illegal aliens. The BOCS with John Stirrups leadership will do the right thing.
Leila, please show me your reference. Not arguing with you…I just want to see the reference.
John Light,
I believe this is the Legion article you referred to in your post.
It is at:
www.legion.org
Home » Publications » Legion Magazine » Southern Discomfort
Or copy, and paste this location in your browser window.
http://www.legion.org/?section=publications&subsection=pubs_mag_index&content=pub_mag_discomfort_1007
“The BOCS with John Stirrups leadership will do the right thing.”
The sum of the parts is greater than the individual components, but not by much. They have accomplished very little together and the BOCS is likely to continue in that fashion without dramatic change in several seats. Stirrup would be effectively neutered if Stewart doesn’t win and all bets are off on many fronts if Pandak wins. I’m not fond or Corey’s pandering and posturing but he is definitely the lesser of two evils.
Mom
Patriot, I didn’t have a specific reference in mind when I said that, only my reading of lots of books and articles on the law with a focus on constitutional law. Probable cause is a concept that has been defined through case law, especially in regard to warrants and 4th Amendment protections.
I would guess that a request to law enforcement or a judge to investigate MSF on the basis of two words in its English translation, “without borders” would not be sufficient for them.
I can (after the fact) direct you to lots of legal references, dictionaries, case law online, but when I spoke, it was from my own understanding.
anonymous on 9 Oct 2007 at 1:19 pm:
He is probably the lesser of the evils. Pandak? UGHHHH!
Leila, I guess this matter should be further investigated…what constitues probable cause. There are facts that exist.
Fact 1: they support illegal aliens (their mission).
Fact 2: their organizational name suggests that people affiliated with the organization do not honor a country’s sovereign borders. Therefore, once could conclude that there is a high probability that illegals will be present as members of the group.
I’m voting for Stewart and so are MANY of the other African Americans in our area. We like the job he’s doing.
P.S.
I use the name Angry Blackman! to show
that HSM is not a racist organization for Caucasians.
I’m black…proud and support HSM 110% and then some along
with other African-Americans in the PWC/Manassas area.
Mom,
Did you just hear the “Power of Five” speech?
It is good to have Angry on our side! It is also good to have “You Don’t Speak for Me” types on our side too!
Keokuk: YES!!! That is the article…thanks for posting the link
anonymous said on 9 Oct 2007 at 1:19 pm: “Why would STEWART endorse someone with known terrorist ties?” - easy…$$$. There are MANY (Rs) who have sold their soul to Faisal for his money. I, along with NUMEROUS residents, have posted FAR too many reasons NOT to vote for Faisal - first in his race against Julie Lucas, and now in his race against Paul Nichols.
Principle before Party - it’s a concept sadly lost on too many people.
Angry Blackman,
Thank you, for you statement. The Patriot, way too many “You Don’t Speak for Me”, and anons too.
corr
“YOUR”
Patriot, I think you invest more power in MSF than it has. I think that group has shown itself strategically inept in the extreme. Their tactics have alienated people who might otherwise be supporters. However HSM does a good job of building up their importance.
Leila,
My pastor once told me that the most dangerous thing that Satan ever did, was to get people to believe that he didn’t exist. That way he could work his evil and corruption, and no one would blame him for it.
Now you are trying to tell us that MSF and WWC are not that bad, because they are ineffective? Get thee behind me Leila!
I will say this: I drove past the 7/11 on Coverstone today at 9AM. What did I see on this “Day Without Immigrant Workers” ? I counted 47 day laborers hanging out like always, waiting for work.
LOL! if this was the 60’s plus or minus a year, this angry black man would be singing a different tune, Don’t try to take sides with people who definately don’t respect or acknoledge you, and your race or any other for that matter.
If History has taught anybody anything, it’s that it’s time to move on to the next group of people, or did you all forget 9/11 so quick?
When was the las time a Mexican tried to kill an American with his taco or his hard work?
I take it you don’t travel, i speak several languages and i still have hard time at the airport, spanish is no longer a big problem, it’s what ever those people speak that is going to cause a lot more problems for the American people, meanwhile your worried wether Jose is legal or not, leave Jose alone! it’s Achmed you should worry about
Angry….hooray for your stance! I’m Hispanic (legal) and I say we all MUST deal decisively and swiftly regarding the Illegal Alien EPIDEMIC that plagues our county and cities. ARREST and DEPORT ALL OF the ILLEGALS …… AHORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fact 1: Chris Royse always SAYS he supports John Stirrup’s resolution and always SAYS that the Board needs to vote to fund it so that we can deal with the problem of illegals aliens.
Fact 2: Sharon Pandak has NEVER said that she supports the resolution.
If you vote for Pandak, there will be a Mexican flag flying over every PWC government building.
Hickspanic wants to know ‘When was the las time a Mexican tried to kill an American with his taco or his hard work?’
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SpomTIkv0V8
Hickspanic,
Don’t you get it? Angry Black Man stated in a post to the Outrageous Sign story that:
“I’m from Manassas, 40 years of age and still know the people who reside on Liberty Street which was once all African-American and these neighborhoods had occupants with pride…they took care of the lawns, homes, apartments and in comes this jerk with this stupid sign. Now while I don’t condone bad action, how many of you would have wanted this sign up in your neighborhoods?”
It doesn’t make any difference whether you’re African American, Native American, white, Asian, or Latino. If you’re trashing our neighborhoods, bleeding our welfare system, disrespecting our culture, and on top of everything else, breaking the laws, you are not really wanted here.
Thank you Angry Blackman! My husband is a member of HSM and he is not white.
Hickspanic, there are plenty of news articles from the Wash Times and The Wash Post to refute what you say. There was a man who was just recently murdered by an illegal alien. The man was strangled to death. I guess he didn’t have to use a taco. By the way, I hope you realize how angry you make Hispanics who are here legally. People who are here legally obey the law. People who are not here legally break the laws. It is that simple. We are talking about law and order not the color of one’s skin or where they come from. It is that simple.
If all levels of government are involved with capturing illegal aliens, terrorists will also be caught. The 9/11 terrorists were not here legally. Lee Boyd Malvo was not here legally. Do you understand?
Damn! i was really looking forward to a good laugh, i thought you had found a really funny video showing somebody being attacked by a taco, what is this supposed to do? make me believe that only Mexicans commit crimes?
get a life Bob Sentz, or are you living in candy land where white people don’t commit crimes, or black people don’t take part in their share in violent crimes.
Crime is something that occurs on a daily basis by large diverse group of people of all ages and backgrounds, from teenagers to senior citizens, school teachers to priests, housewifes to POLITICIANS, it’s the peole who get caught who make the biggest headlines.
Well thank you very much making my day, once again very interesting with your nonsense, i have really enjoyed it. See you all tomorrow. i have a life outside of work, unlike some people.
Batson, do you deliberately misread people?
You wrote: “Now you are trying to tell us that MSF and WWC are not that bad, because they are ineffective?”
First, I never mentioned WWC. Second, I never characterized MSF or bad, good, or indifferent. I said they were inept and that they are puffed up on this blog. Your suggestion that ineffective means “not that bad” is bizarre, at least in politics. I can think of many groups I feel are generally ineffective (thank God) and 100% bad.
I am not expecting any of you in HSM to miss even the smallest opportunity to attack MSF. It helps you gain supporters, and MSF’s tactics and rhetoric certainly leave them open for every barb. Plus, on your local stage, I guess it makes sense.
But you are elevating your own adversary. It reminds me of a notorious political figure recently who was described in the most public arena possible as exhibiting all the signs of a cruel and petty dictator. Hearing that attack, I thought, well yes, except for that one small matter of actually having dictatorial powers, dictatorial powers being the sine qua non of a dictator. Like MSF, the focus on this guy gave him vastly more strength than he actually has. Oh and he is both bad AND ineffective.
Hickspanic,
Why do you even read and post on this blog? You are obviously an illegal alien or an illegal alien apologist. Your arguments are without logic, procedural facts, or salient facts.
We are opposed to anyone who entered this country illegally - irregardless of race, creed, or religion. The USA has every right to decide who can become a citizen of this country.
We have enough crime, welfare abuse, overcrowding, traffic congestion, and poverty in the USA. Why would we want any more?
The 30-38 million illegals in the U.S. need to get out of our country and stay out (see new report from Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS))
This isn’t about Hispanics - this is about the illegal alien invaders - all of them -from whatever country they come from.
If you don’t like what you read here - stay off of the blog.
Correction
20-38 million illegals in the U.S.
Angry, Hicks is typical of the illegal supporters. They don’t respect anyone who wants to uphold the law or regain our quality of life. The try to polarize by lumping all immigrants together (illegal & legal) and by race-baiting. ALL legal citizens are welcome at HSM - please stay involved. I hope you will be able to attend the monthly meetings and show up at the BOCS meeting on 10/16.
“Batson, do you deliberately misread people?”
Not at all. I think I read you, and people like you, pretty straight. I have been at this sort of thing for so long, I can smell a flanking attack a mile away. Considering that the majority of the content of your posts is pro-illegal, liberal clap-trap, when you make the argument that Greg and HSM are overstating the threat of MSF (and their affiliated groups), because they are ineffective, I can instantly see what you are doing. You are trying to paint HSM and Greg as alarmists who are just trying to stir up trouble.
You are just like the people in the 20’s and 30’s who said that the Red Menace wasn’t real. Those people were part of the global marxist movement. Of course you wouldn’t characterize MSF as good or bad. That’s the idea. Get people to think Greg is making something out of nothing. Move along…nothing to see here. The frontal assault doesn’t work, try the flanking attack.
The main problem you face is that you are not as smart as you think you are, and we are not dumb, like you think we are. Everytime you post something here, you leave a permanent record. Reviewing that reveals a pattern. Patterns point to agendas. The picture becomes clear. I have a pretty clear picture of what you are trying to do, and I am going to expose it.
Rack, Wow, 20 to 38! Who uses this figure? In your movement, FAIR says 11 to 13, CIS says 8 to 11 I believe, Tancredo says at least 12. Folks here often ignore all of them and say 12 to 20. But 20 to 38? That’s new. I am curious what organization is making that estimate.
Thanks for the reminder, Bob S. We need to keep the petition going to Kaine at the top of this page.
PLEASE PWC Supervisors, we need full implementation of the Resolution! We need to do all we can to protect our lawful citizens before the Federal Government gets its act together. Love what Royce says, “Homeland Security begins in the hometown.”
There’s Citizen’s time again tonight at 7:30pm.
Most that spoke at 2pm, were in favor of the resolution and implementation. The PWCBOS must hear from the legal voting citizens.
Batson, You are incorrect about my comments. I have no trouble offering further opinions about MSF’s badness or goodness. I just didn’t do it in my response to Patriot, as you claimed. I wouldn’t claim for a moment that Greg is just trying to stir up trouble. The trouble is and was there.
Leila said on 9 Oct 2007 at 4:13 pm:
Rack, Wow, 20 to 38! Who uses this figure? In your movement, FAIR says 11 to 13, CIS says 8 to 11 I believe, Tancredo says at least 12. Folks here often ignore all of them and say 12 to 20. But 20 to 38? That’s new. I am curious what organization is making that estimate.
Ok..here is a Mexican UCLA teacher saying there are ‘40 million.’
And, this guy is on your side!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZMLUgvpFw
2:55 into this rant you’ll hear him say there are 40 million. also, I found it amusing he’d say that all latinos are the same including Guatemalans. hmmm. are these the same Guatemalans that mexico doesn’t want in their country.
Bob Sentz, I could never been on the “side” of a person who thinks there are 40 million illegal aliens in the United States. Whatever the biases of FAIR, CIS, the Tancredo campaign, et al, I would imagine they are far closer in an estimate than the UCLA guy or many on BVBL. Since Rack would presumably be sympathetic with the above groups and find them 100% credible in their analysis of the problem, I am just wondering where *his* outside number comes from.
I will listen to the youtube thing. Thanks for the URL. Unfortunately I don’t have my headphones at the moment, so my computer is mute.
Batson D. Belfrey on 9 Oct 2007 at 3:07 pm:
Hey, that was their breakfast break. They just got home after being out all night celebrating Colombus Day.
Leila…
(see new report from Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS))
Text from CAPS:
CAPS’ new study shows there are actually 20-38 million llegal aliens in U.S.
Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS) recently released a study that has been receiving significant national and local media attention. CAPS and The Social Contract presented the major findings at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. A video of this conference will soon be available on our website.
A Realistic Appraisal of the Actual Number of Illegal Aliens in the U.S., Implications for the Future, and Consequences for Public Policy Decisions and Citizen Response
In a just-issued report, the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Immigration Statistics, along with the Census Bureau, asserts that 11.6 million illegal aliens were living in the United States as of 2006. This conference presented findings of immigration experts from a number of disciplines who challenged the official data and concluded that the illegal population may be more than double the official Census Bureau and Department of Homeland Security estimates; that the number of illegals entering the U.S. every year is higher than the Border Patrol and DHS figures; and the costs associated with our illegal alien population, including crime, health care, education, and labor market impact, are far higher than the public has been led to believe.
Diana Hull, Ph.D., Behavioral Scientist and President of Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS). discussed why a more accurate accounting of the illegal alien population is essential for public policy decisions and clarified why the Census Bureau has underestimated the total number of illegal aliens in the U.S.
James H. Walsh, J.D., a former Associate General Counsel of the Immigration & Naturalization Service (INS), explained why he believes that as many as 38 million illegal aliens are living in the U.S. at the present time.
Philip J. Romero, Ph.D., Miller Professor of Business Administration at the University of Oregon and formerly California’s chief economist on business and economic operations and Chief Deputy Cabinet Secretary for Gov. Pete Wilson wrote an analysis of the cost of illegal immigration to California in 1994 that helped touch off a national debate. He discussed the fiscal impact of illegal immigration in California that has implications for the United States as a whole.
Fred Elbel, a computer and political consultant from the Denver area, discussed alternative methodologies to discovering the likely size of the illegal alien population.
Wayne Lutton, Ph.D., editor of The Social Contract, a quarterly publication of public affairs, served as moderator.
Hickspanic on 9 Oct 2007 at 3:14 pm:
How about Jose Padilla?? We should forget about him?
Jose Padilla, like Timothy McVeigh, is a 100% American, unless the place of his birth, Brooklyn, seceded from the Union while we weren’t watching.
Bob Sentz on 9 Oct 2007 at 3:31 pm:
A very moving video. Read that 12 U.S. citizens a day are killed by illegals.
Thanks Rack, strange how they depart from the other groups with their figures. Of course they also wildly depart from DHS, but that’s to be expected. I am more intrigued why they wildly depart from their allies as well.
http://www.cap-s.org/main.html
Maybe they have been smoking the same thing as that UCLA chap.
RE: UCLA chap.
Sounded a lot like Hitler.
Side note: Why is he against capitalism when it’s jobs and money that attracted the illegals here in the first place?
Because the jobs/money thing is a red herring. They DO have an agenda and it’s not in this country’s best interests.
“Leila said on 9 Oct 2007 at 4:20 pm:
Batson, You are incorrect about my comments.”
I call ‘em as I see ‘em.
All,
Whenever I see a post from Leila I just scrowl on down. It sure saves time and I know I’m not missing a thing.
Anonymous said on 9 Oct 2007 at 4:54 pm:
Bob Sentz on 9 Oct 2007 at 3:31 pm:
A very moving video. Read that 12 U.S. citizens a day are killed by illegals.
—————————————————————————-
That’s 12 mothers, fathers, sons, daughters dying everyday and not one of the pro-illegal group/person will acknowledge. Their pat answer is everybody commits crime. More than the war in Iraq. And, we don’t need to defend our borders?!
Just in case someone missed it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SpomTIkv0V8
Illegal alien enablers are always invoking the name of Timothy McVeigh. If Jose Padilla was American, he had a strange way of showing it. Was he an anchor baby?
“Fact 2: their organizational name suggests that people affiliated with the organization do not honor a country’s sovereign borders. Therefore, once could conclude that there is a high probability that illegals will be present as members of the group.”
That applies to Doctors without Borders too. A lot of them are French and don’t like us anyway.
Patriot you are a dummy!
It is good to have Angry Black Clarence Thomas on our side! Silly Patriot
“If Jose Padilla was American, he had a strange way of showing it. Was he an anchor baby?”
An achor baby like many of you who were kids of immigrants.
anon 8:34
Do not forget there is a difference between immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants.
Monticup presumed: “Illegal alien enablers are always invoking the name of Timothy McVeigh. If Jose Padilla was American, he had a strange way of showing it. Was he an anchor baby?”
I brought up McVeigh because he is a recent example of a fully home-grown terrorist as is Padilla, not for any other reason. McVeigh, like Padilla, had a strange way of showing it considering that he committed the greatest single act of terrorism on US soil prior to 9/11. Padilla is of Puerto Rican background, so even if he had not been born where he was, he would be a US citizen.
anon: My grandparents were kids of LEGAL immigrants (way before welfare and freebies, by the way) so no, I was not a kid of immigrants. But if I was, they’d be LEGAL immigrants.
I thought Padilla was Mexican, not Puerto Rican. Are you sure?
Monticup, I remembered Puerto Rican and I confirmed it with the New York Times. However I know you think anything in the NYT is false, including words such as “the,” “sky,” “is” and “blue.” Here are few sources picked at random from a potential of hundreds or thousands.
The BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2037444.stm
A Miami paper:
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-10-05/news/osama-s-thug/
Raw Story:
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Al_Qaeda_trained_Puerto_Rican_Talib_08132007.html
“It is good to have Angry Black Clarence Thomas on our side! Silly Patriot”
You know NOTHING of Angry Black Man, other than what the rest of us may have surmised. I’ve surmised that he is a long-time resident, perhaps native, of Prince William County…as many of the rest of us are. HE obviously remembers PWC as I do…as a great place to live where people generally got along with each other, regardless of color or ethnic background. When Washington was burning, we worked out our differences peacefully as neighbors should, despite the many vehicles with Washington, DC license plates filled with people who came here during that time to try to make sure it was otherwise. He and I have seen NOTHING like the insanity created by this unprecedented invasion, despite the many other ethnic groups that have settled in our county in large numbers in the past…PEACEFULLY! They’ve been good neighbors who are as adversely affected by this situation as the rest of us.
The current crop of illegal aliens has made it quite clear that they have no desire to settle peacefully and become good neighbors. Unlike their predecessors, they seem to believe that we owe them something and that they’re here to take everything that the rest of us, including our immigrants, have earned, over generations in many cases. THIS is why “Angry Black Man” is angry…and so am I!
(Note to ABM: I hope that I have not been presumptuous in my analysis. It is purely based upon what I have read in your comments and, if I’m wrong, please don’t hesitate to say so.)
” manassascityresident said on 9 Oct 2007 at 11:46 am:
Will ICE be there? THEY SHOULD BE!”
It has been asked too many times? I haven’t, but has anybody called and found out why? Has anybody called , period? ( I admit I have not)
Leila,a border patrol agent or ICE agent may question anyone any time and ask them if they are legal illegal or citizens. Probable cause is needed to briefly detain someone,a warrant or “exigent circumstance”(an emergency) or to witness a misdemeanor or felony or to have someone tell them of a felony to arrest someone. ICE agents need no probable cause to inquire immigration status. I hope that answers any questions of you about probable cause.
Carlos, thank you for the answer regarding probable cause! Leila, as far as your statements regarding making MSF bigger than what you say they really are….I stand by my statements. They have an agenda just like alot of the other groups associated with them have. Plenty of references have been provided (from around the country) that show similar PATTERNS.
redawn said on 9 Oct 2007 at 10:26 pm:
“It has been asked too many times? I haven’t, but has anybody called and found out why? Has anybody called , period? ( I admit I have not)”
Nor did I, but I will for the Oct. 16 meeting.
I.C.E. - Report Suspicious Activity:
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
1-866-347-2423
Yes. Whenever there is a meeting on the illegal immigration issue, ICE should be contacted so that they can be present to carry out their job duties.
The Patriot,
Have you called to tell them about the meeting on 10/16/07?
How are those responses coming along?
Vote Corey Stewart.!!!!
Yes, he may not do all things that we all want but he is very sincere in this illegal alien episode.
Pandak was trying to say something in her last disertation and used the “Power of 5″ several times. She does not know what she is doing and she’s a developers dream.
She knows how to wiggle & wag, for an answer.
She can not speak from the heart. She has to have a rehearsed speech.
She also will do as Barg says and Jenkins.
So we can not let them get “5″ on that board as we already have a couple that will jump ship.
When Corey gets in and Royse,that will give the other 2/3 reason to do what is right. Stirrup will make sure they will be on the right track.
Ideal Board will be Stewart, Stirrup,Royse,May,Covington,Caddigan and Nohe will fall in with the majority.
Patriot, I don’t doubt for a minute MSF has an agenda. Their website goes into great detail about their agenda. I am unclear what you mean by “bigger.” I meant importance, not size. As for your standing by your remarks, that goes without saying. I would have been shocked had you typed (or macro’d) anything else.
Carlos, that was interesting. You say that an ICE agent can question anyone at all at any time about being legal or illegal. However, is
that person required to reply or produce identification?
The United States has no required national ID card, and if a person is just walking down the street or similar, there is no legal requirement that have an ID on them, produce it to a police officer, or answer any questions. Are you saying that ICE has more power in this regard without reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Reasonable suspicion of criminal activity would have to be more than appearance or accent etc, according to the relevant constitutional law. Even the proposals in PWC predicate such questioning on having ALREADY broken the law.
There are many ANGRY Black men in Manassas and I’m talking those that are over 65. They are angry at how these illegals have trashed Manassas. Heck, I grew up in Point of Woods (80’s) and my parents still live there and are surrounded by illegals. One house was found to contain 20 people in one townhouse and this is why we are fed up.
Also, don’t EVEN try to equate the Civil Rights to the breaking of US LAW.
Help Save Manassas is needed in a huge way or else Manassas will soon look like Alexandria and Arlington. Hooray for the new jail being talked about for illegals…Hooray for Mr. Stewart and Hooray for HSM!
P.S.
Hooray for what ICE is starting to do along with our local police force.
Angry Black Man Have you heard of Ted Hayes?
I’d be interested in your opinion of Ted after viewing the video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nmgnxA8wbK8
Fed up 2,
My closing statement at Citizen’s time at 7:30 was… I don’t want to hear about the “power of 5″. I want to hear the “power of 8″, just like on 7/10/2007. I sure hope they were listening!!!
I couldn’t believe the nerve of Sharon and that “speech”. What’s wrong with her? A UNITED PWCBOS is what I want, and think most do.
What I really want to know is what “mom” thought of S.Pandering-act’s outfit yesterday…
Legal2
I want to know what “mom” thought of the “power of 5″ speech.
Angry blackman.
I think the guy who name himself “Angry blackman.,” I have a feeling that he is not “black” maybe it was picked from,somebody who just want to use the black race.
HSM, is trying to persuade black people , you all will not achieve it.
Anonymous said on 10 Oct 2007 at 6:02 pm:
Angry blackman.
I think the guy who name himself “Angry blackman.,” I have a feeling that he is not “black” maybe it was picked from,somebody who just want to use the black race.
HSM, is trying to persuade black people , you all will not achieve it.
Obviously, you’re an idiot!! But, thanks for sharing!! Oh, by the way, don’t let the door hit ou on the ass on the way OUT!!!!
Leila I don’t know if one has to provide an ICE agent with an ID when asked but feds have powers that local police can only dream of. Al Capone murdered who knows how many people,but the feds got him on tax evasion. ICE agents routinely hop aboard trains and buses and ask for ID and take into custody anyone who lacks it. Most people will blurt out the truth when suddenly confronted by authority figures so maybe the question of whether the feds have the right to demand ID is a moot point I know basic law as well as any attorney and have never been beaten by a government hack in an administrative court on disability or unemployment insurance appeals.
Leila,I forgot;you must show a valid driver license when stopped for a traffic violation.
Hooray for Ted and also the Minutemen. We need this in Manassas. ANYONE against Illegals…I’m all for!
Also, for the poster who think’s I’m not black…”you are wrong”! Little Black History for this ignorant poster who thinks I’m not black. What I’m doing now is spreading the word at the barbershops, Hair Salons, etc. that HSM is not just for whites but for those who are interested in saving Manassas from Illegals and there are so, so many more like myself…BLACKS I’m talking about!
Born in Fauquier County, moved to Fairfax and then to Manassas, went to Jennie Dean Middle School and then Osbourn, in case you don’t know it, Jennie Dean was a former Slave who is buried in Catharpin, Va. My family went to W.C. Taylor in Warrenton which back in the day was for blacks until the late 1960’s when Fauquier High was intergrated. My family taught us “Black Pride” however we treated all based on character.
I remember when Georgetown South was middle class and then fell somewhat…now it’s full of illegals…same for Point of Woods and Bristow Station. Go to places like Liberty St, Douglas St., etc. and speak to any black over the age of 60 and see how frustrated they are that these neighborhoods are now going to crap BECAUSE of ILLEGALS. These hoods once were predominantly black but the homes were immaculate, the neighborhoods were clean and “respect” was given to the elders.
NOW, things have changed and for the worse.
I agree with Angry! Our neighborhoods have really gone down hill since the later 90’s (when the invasion really started to pick up the pace). That says something.
Angry Blackman,
It’s nice to see someone knows some county history. I’m sure you are familiar then with what WestGate/Sudley were like back in the day. Did you ever attend school in PWC? We could ride our bikes or walk all over and our parents never had to worry. My daughter goes to the same schools I did. These are not the same streets I walked to school on. I’m sure you can say the same for childhood neighborhood.
I’m glad to know you belong to HSM. We always need more concern members!
Carlos, I agree that people will likely comply, but I don’t think they have to without reasonable suspicion. I specified in a situation of just walking down the street or similar. Once you get into transportation things change obviously. Although I would imagine by law only the driver of a car would need to show anything under the law. On a bus etc., I guess there has been some extension at times to the kind of ID requirement mandated at airports. But I was literally asking about a person walking down the street.
ABM, I so much agree with you. Since the 60s White-Americans and Black Americans, have done so much to merge and blend their cultures and heritages into a new culture just called AMERICAN. We have all prospered as a result (although not as much as EVERYONE wants, because individuals all have a wide range of different abilities and not everyone makes identical salaries. That is not possible, but it can be close). A few have still clung to the belief that they need to identify themselves as White or Black and belong to racially aligned advocacy groups whose leaders are continuing to lead them into poverty, crime, ethnic hatred, and break-down of the family, relying heavily on the government, while blaming everyone else for the individuals problems. These last ethnic hatred holdouts and their attitudes need to change and political groups like this need to be prohibited.
The last step this country needs to take to truly achieve respect for all individuals of different races, genders, ethnic groups and religious groups, is to probibit and disallow ethnic, racial, religious and gender group advocacy, and political alignment. Laws should require everyone to act and advocate on issues as “individuals” and join groups that are NEVER aligned along Gender, Religious, Racial or Ethnic group lines. This is how we will achieve harmony and prosperity together, unity and mutual respect, culturally blended similarity and trust, not diversity and division. If I could run for political office I would, and I would pick every talented person I could, who truely believed this, and who advocates BETRAYAL of their ethnic, gender, religious, and racial group, on the principal that NO-One is any different than another, and deserves no privilege above, or discrimmination below another individual. I would make those selections with no pictures, and NO language that identifies what race, religion, gender or ethnic group these individuals on my political team are from. The only criteria I would use to select my campaign team (hopefully including many different talents regardless of race, religion, gender or ethnic group), is intellect, ability, skill, and lawfullness (ethics).
The first thing I would create as a Bill in congress is a law that prevents any group association aligned and politically advocating along racial, gender, religious and ethnic group lines. People who are ethically unlawful, would be deported or put into jail.
The problem people just don’t get about “illegal” immigration is that it’s Illegal, and its spread across all racial, gender, religious, and ethnic group lines, and it is destroying our country financially, ethically and socially. These illegal groups are taking us back 20 years in our fight against privilege, discrimmination and ethnic group advocacy, by doing exactly what people in the 60’s did. This is why we must unit and remove them, taking in only those who have a higher sense of ethics and fairness, and an attitude of respect for all other cultures, races, genders and religious groups. These “illegals” do not thave that, and our current congressmen and politicians do not have that perspective either. They too have gone backwards advocating for special gender, religious, racial and ethnic group privileges and laws. I know ABM that is what you are fighting against and so am I. If we win this fight, this nation will economically prosper again like it did as we merged our cultures in the 60s, 70s, 80, and 90s, and treated each other with more respect as “individuals” and not “groups”.
“The last step this country needs to take to truly achieve respect for all individuals of different races, genders, ethnic groups and religious groups, is to probibit and disallow ethnic, racial, religious and gender group advocacy, and political alignment.”
Whoaa there Michael…we don’t live in a Fascist state as yet! People are still free to think and to disagree in this country! I have generally agreed with everything you have said, but this crosses a totalitarian line with which I am REALLY uncomfortable. If the day comes that laws are passed prohibiting and disallowing ethnic, racial, religious, and gender group advocacy, or any political alignment, that’s the day when we should move to one of the old Soviet block countries because we might be able to find greater freedom!
If this is not what you meant, I hope you will clarify.
I think what Michael was saying (correct me if I am wrong Michael) is that we need to prohibit ethnic-centric/religious type of groups from lobbying congress/senate in order to make policy on behalf of a particular ethnic-centric/religious group. Instead, policy should be made on behalf of ALL AMERICANS regardless of ethnicity/religious affiliation. I would agree to this…because it promotes equality across the board.
Exactly,
We need to advocate as Individuals, not groups, which is the exact opposite of facism, which tries to enforce one group policy (the facist policy of oppression by aligning and advocating by groups) on all others. Prohibiting this leads to advocacy only as individuals, and rights given only to individuals, based on some merit other than group characteristics. The country is going down the group privilige advocacy road (leads to conflict and facism), rather than individual freedom and advocacy, which leads to unification of a nation and democracy. The founding fathers knew this and prohibited religious group priviliged rights for this very reason. There was no law that could be made benefiting religious groups. We need to extend the concepts to no law being made benefiting gender groups, ethnic groups and racial groups. AND stop advocating for privileges based on these group identities.