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Only One More Vote Needed On Crackdown
By Greg L | 15 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 82 Comments
Tomorrow the Board of County Supervisors is expected to decide whether to adopt the staff’s recommended list of county services that will no longer be provided to illegal aliens, and the level of funding it will provide to the Prince William County Police Department to implement General Order 45.01 which will permit law enforcement to check the immigration status of all suspected illegal aliens. So far, there are four Supervisors who have said that they will support both of these measures: Stewart, Stirrup, Covington and May. The remainder have not indicated how they intend to vote.
Readers should contact Supervisors Jenkins, Barg, Nohe and Caddigan and ask them the following:
Do you intend to support a proposal to provide the necessary resources to the Prince William County Police Department that will allow them to investigate the immigration status of suspected illegal aliens who are suspected of committing an offense or violating a law in Prince William County?
Do you intend to support restricting the provision of some taxpayer-funded county services to citizens and legal residents only, especially in those cases where illegal aliens are receiving benefits while our citizens are on a wait list for those same services?
You can email all of the supervisors at bocs@pwcgov.org, and/or contact contact them at these phone numbers:
Corey Stewart: 703-792-4640
Wally Covington: 703-792-6190
Marty Nohe: 703-792-4620
Maureen Caddigan: 703-792-4645
John Stirrup: 703-792-6195
John Jenkins: 703-792-4668
Mike May: 703-792-4643
Hilda Barg: 703-792-4646
While you’re at it, it’s a good idea to thank those who are supporting these measures that will discourage illegal aliens from unlawfully residing in our communities, and pledge your continuing support for their important efforts to defend the interests of county citizens.
Note: the above is not the official position of any organization or political party, but solely the opinion of the author. If you are looking for the official position of some organization, please check their website.
UPDATE: According to Jim Riley, we have our fifth vote, Maureen Caddigan. Now that there’s a majority, this is going to slide pretty quickly towards a unanimous vote.
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What happens if it’s a tie?
It would fail. There needs to be an outright majority.
Well, the vote can’t (shouldn’t?) really result in a tie, in this case anyway since there are 4 supervisors who have already said they would vote yes -Stewart, Stirrup, Covington and May. If the remaining supervisors Jenkins, Brag, and Caddigan all vote no, the issue is dead. However if only one of them votes yes, the measure passes. I think it’s a good bet the measure will pass - assuming Covington and May don’t change their mind tomorrow.
If it doesn’t pass, it just shows who are not (wo)men of their word when they voted the resolution in.
Is there a chance it will get postponed?
Even though I reside in Manassas, I plan on attending citizen’s time at 2:00p tomorrow. Whatever happens in PWC will greatly determine what will eventually or not eventually happen in the MC and MP. My HSM sticker will be pinned on (even though it looks a little worn).
question:
Since the Puerto Rican “education and defense fund” has already filed suit in the federal court, if this resolution passes and a judge puts the implementation on hold, does the portion of the resolution where the police are going to work with ice and do further checks when they stop someone for cause and then suspect they are in the country illegally get put on hold too or are they two seperate initiatives?
I still haven’t hear from 4 offices. The guilty parties are as follows.May, Caddigan, Nohe, and HILDA!! I did hear from her replacement Chris Royse though. He is candidate and responded. What are they thinking?
k.o’toole,
You are exactly right!! We the legal voting citizens WANT and DESERVE the resolution!! Let’s restore the quality of life and The Rule of Law.
PWCBOS,
Do the right thing!! All of you need to vote YES. Remember, each and everyone of you voted for the resolution. We must continue to lead our great nation!!! The “power of 8″, not that “power of 5″ bull we heard last Tuesday.
Greg-
Looking at your phone listing of the PW Supers –
when did Marty Nohe become “Mary” Nohe and how
will he/she vote?
Keokuk,
You bring up a very good point citizens in the two cities should certainly care!! They sit in the county!! You all have every right to speak there. We have to listen to the opposition speak, and they come in from Arlington, Alexandria, and DC!! They have no interest in our county or two cities. Be sure and get a new sticker tomorrow!!
Thanks for catching that typo, dog.
I would like to know if any of tomorrow’s activities will be televised. If so, which channel? Thanks!
Channel 23.
You can also to listen live and audio archive of the BOCS meetings:
http://www.co.prince-william.va.us/default.aspx?topic=040016
redawn,
Seeing the facial expressions tends to throw a different light on things, doesn’t it?
Keokuk-
I think HSM can give you a new sticker. I’m hoping to get off of work early tomorrow. If not I’ll be there as soon as I can.
Tell me why our elected officials keep going against the majority of the citizens?
Poll: New Yorkers oppose (72%) Spitzer’s license plan
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny–licensespat1015oct15,0,6313582.story
Dolph,
It does. That is why I like to look my kids in the eye to when talking to them, lol. Anyway, If people don’t have Comcast it is nice option.
Sent an email to the PWC Board this morning and received a reply from Corey Stewart. His email again affirms that only 4 members of the Board are committed to passage of the resolution. He requests that as many as possible come to the meeting to speak on behalf of its passage.
Maureen Wood:
The Fox News Channel reported last week that several counties in NY would refuse to issue licenses to illegals regardless of the consequences. Good for them. It might be that not all elected officials are hearing impaired.
I have only received a reply from Corey Stewart as well. He urges that we attend the meeting and continue to email the four “holdout” supervisors.
Please email the “holdout” supervisors again!
Question:
Can this be continued tomorrow?
redawn:
From my interpretation of C. Stewart’s email, it is possible that a vote could be postponed. See below, an excerpt of his email:
“In my view, the community is already paying for the cost of illegal immigration in terms of crowded schools, emergency rooms, jails and rising gang violence. I have insisted that the Board vote on this no later than October 16. This is the last meeting before the election on November 6, and it is imperative that the Board vote before the election to avoid losing momentum.”
Maureen Wood on 15 Oct 2007 at 4:27 pm:
The have the attitude that “I know what is best for you and therefore I will do it my way. Anyone give any thought why Guv Spitzer of NY would want to pull off something as crazy as giving licenses to illegals. As attorney general of NY he made his name prosecuting securities fraud. This got him a known name when he ran for Governor. Don’t you think he is looking at Hillary’s senate seat if she does manage to get elected next November. Spitzer is pandering for the illegal vote plain and simple. Given a driver’s license will get them in to register. A no-brainer!
Politically, they cannot put off the vote. Considering the funding issues facing the County as articlulated by the Finance Manager (see Friday’s Potomac News), they could pass the resolution, limit services and and fund additional officers for this year. Then the addtinoal officers could be funded each year as part of the regular budget process. That would allow this to kick off without a five year funding commitment at this time.
That’s what I would do. It would give them time to figure out what the real estate market is doing - that is unless you also agree that County staff don’t understand principles of budgeting, revenue forcasting, debt service and AAA bond ratings.
It would be a miracle to keep the bond rating during this mess.
I posted this under the Stafford thread.
IT is RAW( sorry for the errors of me NOT proof reading)just like the day I am talking about.
This is what a lot of people are talking about and the POINT is and has been getting lost in ways of zoning violations, who is in bed with who politically, who is real and not real.
Well, This DAY WAS REAL!
Does anyone remember? Is it so long ago?
# redawn said on 15 Oct 2007 at 6:53 pm:
It does not matter where you live, the ILLEGALS are here! They are everywhere! The REAL issue, not just local and where they reside is, WHO IS HERE? DOESN”T anyone remeber 9/11?
I do!
I lived in Fauquier at the time. I was driving into the parking garage of The City of Alexanria’s courthouse to do my job.
I was listening to Elliot in the morning, DC101. The same old hum drum and drinking my coffee trying to get motivated. I hear all of a sudden 0 BREAKING NEWS…they converse, we here that there is a plane reported to have flown into the WTC. I just took my keys out of my ignition.
I head up the elevators to Circuit Court. The clerks have the tv on and are watching. WE ALL gather around the tv and the second plane hits!
WE are all dumbfounded in so many ways, wondering what the hell is going on. after awhile everyone leaves to go about their daily duty but still talking and were going to check in from time to time to keep updated. DOES THIS TELL YOU SOMETHING? THIS IS HOW we were back then, oh nothing TOO big is going on but we will keep posted and see…..I was one of them thinking so.
I found myself standing in front of the tv, no one else around and damn if they didn’t come back on and show that the Pentagon was hit!
I am speaking only from my experience…I stood there and thought am I REALLY SEEING THIS? I felt PANIC but was more worried about calling everyone to the TV to see for themselves and that it was MY
Imagination.
Anyway, both land line and cellphones were DEAD!
Do you remember how that felt? The confusion? IS this real, it was early in the morning, asking yourself, AM I AWAKE? HOW do i get in touch with my family, friends, office?
I had a call come thru the clerks office from my office - THEY tried to get me, in case I didn’t know what was going on. I took the call and they said get the hell out of there but at the same time puzzled themselves as to what was going on.
I left with Ms. Lafayette, we work for different companies, but I remember she was there and we left following each other out of The city of Alexandria.
We had gotten on the hwy headed away back from the area towards Fairfax. All the while the cellphones and landlines are still dead and the radio stations ( ALL of them) were reporting different things, such as The Capital Building has been blown up, The white house has been blown up! There is a RUNAWAY PLANE ON THE POTOMAC!!!!!!
WE saw the smoke from the Pentagon!!!!!!!!!!!!
We lost each other on the highway and with NO communication between us ( cell phones) I headed to get my kids from school and the school was very silent and did not alarm the kids etc. they were just finding out by word of mouth as to what was going on….
ALL I ASK IS HAVE WE FORGOTTEN???????
WHY HAVE OUR BORDERS NOT BEEN SECURED? WHY ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT TRIVIAL BULL SNIT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION?????
THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. Does anyone remember how the air smelled and tasted different, The sky and clouds, looked different?
The feeling of being lucky FILLED WITH SUCH SORROW that you were alive and still wondering about your friends, family, neighbors? DAYS LATER???????
The acts of talking to your neighbors, the person at the store,etc….the feeling of everyone looking out for strangers and being protective, the pick up trucks flying the American flag around on the streets and highways, the bridges and overpasses with flags draped and signs hanging?
Where is everyone now??????????????????????
redawn
I WILL NEVER FORGET!! Let’s not forget Steve D. and Dottie both had spouses working at the Pentagon that day. I have a sign in my front window to this very day.(I got it the next day)
The sign has a picture of Uncle Sam, and it reads.
HOMELAND SECURITY IS YOUR JOB TOO!!
I live by these words. I encourage all to do the same. Fly your flag 365 days a year. Don’t just bring it out on Holidays!
Remember, bring the flag inside at NIGHT or turn your porch LIGHT on to illuminate it! Please visit this website for more on the American flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Redawn, yes, I remember it like it was yesterday! This
country (the greatest in the world) is quickly going down the
tubes because of the “political correctness” crap that has become the bull crap de jour. Secure the borders? Nah, let
us roll out the welcome wagon for the invaders who show
nothing but disdain for us and our communities! Let us also
turn the other cheek and provide “prayer rooms” at the air
ports, right? Where are all those American flags we saw
adorning so many front porches and autos? Where did they
go? Americans are a forgiving and compassionate people and
obviously, it doesn’t take long for things like 9/11 to fade with
time, but God, yes I do remember and I can only hope and
pray that our beloved country will not ever be attacked again.
Lafayette,
Yes, This is the REAL issue! This is the question that is getting SO LOST! We live here in the Nations Capital that was under attack and will continue to be under attack. Yes, I remember that Steve D and Dottie had spouses there and many other friends that worked there. This was part of the TERROR and agony that went on for days, not to mention the people that we knew that would commute to NYC, etc….
LET”S JUST HOPE THIS IS A REMINDER AND A WAKE UP CALL.
I know we all say, “Let’s Roll!” ( taken form 9-11 , the plane in PA, the heros there!)
WELL, I say it is ROLL CALL!
They’re right here!
Redawn, yours is a wonderful 1 minute testimony that you should deliver to the BOCS tomorrow. Remember Mohammed Atta? He used to get his hair cut at a barbershop in Manassas. Where are our leaders - worried about partisan politics, where their next vote is coming from, vengence on their fellow supervisor over a stupid mailer, appeasing the groups that want open borders and laws bent for their own greed?
“Homeland Security begins in the Hometown”
-Woodbridge Supervisor Candidate Chris Royse
You are all right on the money. Seeing my supervisor Maureen Caddigan exercising petty political spite to thwart Corey Stewart at our expense has totally enraged me. I have always supported her in the past but now, no more. She doesn’t represent me any longer. However, if she votes in favor, then I will eat my words both here and in the Potomac News. I really want to eat my words!
Gone Fishing,
You hit the nail on the head! We Americans are all to forgiving and we do turn the other cheek, pray for everyone ( AND BELIEVE ME I DO)
What is next, the turning of th cheek AGAIN? This has to stop.
Let us ALL remember! Didn’t we all come together and say “WE WILL NEVER FORGET”?
WE may never forget but it appear that those in charge, HAVE!
Bob Sentz,
Yes and that is the scariest part! WHAT DO THEY NOT GET? WHY have our borders not been secured?
Legal2,
I am still with the same company and they loved and cared about me back then and still do,
, I have someone out of the office on medical leave and cannot be there. I grant anyone permission to copy and speak on my behalf, if you think it will do good!
Funny thing, I used to be a hairdresser right here in good ole Manassas, you know that saying ” only your hairdresser knows”? ( speaking of Mohammed Atta) If I had been his hairdresser and had a clue / red flag , EVERYONE would have known.
A former Manassas resident used to go to the same barber and the day it happened, the barber said he “hoped Mo wasn’t involved.” Wonder if he had a clue??
Legal2,
That is a shame. No one wants to be the messenger ( as that saying goes, don’t shoot the messenger) or start trouble.
Well, They must have had the red flag to have said that statement. This is why we all must be aware of our surroundings. This is why we are all fighting to BE aware of our surroundings and to not let history repeat itself.
What time should I show up to be able to speak?
Anon@9:00
Get there early! Try to make it there by 1:30 if at all possible.
The Chambers fills up fast, and the Citizen’s time list should be long. Also, we are not sure how much time will be allowed for each citizen. Be prepared for 3, 2, or 1 minute(s).
WE MUST PREVAIL!!
[…] to Greg L. on BVBL earlier today, he noted that Chairman Corey Stewart along with Supervisors Stirrup, Covington and […]
THE FIFTH VOTE IS THERE!!!
I just received an email forwarded to me from a fellow constituent of Supervisor Caddigan. Marueen’s office sent the following reply to this individual:
Remember folks, let’s not give up. Keep calling. Let’s rally the troops. Let’s give all the supervisors offices the phone call meltdown. Let’s not let the illegal alien lobby’s fear tactics cause us to stop. Keep calling. Keep agitating. We can’t let Mexicans Without Borders run over top of us anymore. Mexicans Without Borders thinks they can bully us into submission. Let’s show them what the citizens of this United States are made of. Let’s send Mexicans Without Borders back to Mexico where they belong!
Mexicans without Borders must take Lyall, Jacinto & Steinbach with them so they can put all their energies into creating a better Latin America instead of pulling these United States down to third world status.
Great! Now let’s see if we can get Nohe and Jenkins on board. A really strong majority will help make sure we don’t have to re-fight this battle any time soon!
After some emails from co bloggers and friends, I sent my story via email to the BOCS.
Hey Jenkins, I have faith in you and I am actually routing for YOU! ( I actually see where YOU are coming from and the point you were trying to make!)
I filled them in (BOCS) about my screen name on this blog.
redawn: pronounced Red Dawn ( I changed it on purpose)
The reason why I chose the screen name is because of the movie back in the 80’s. It was about a SMALL town being invaded ( middle of America, nowhere) and it really showed the American spirit and when NOT looking for trouble, trouble found them and they fought as best they could.
redawn,
I’m with on Mr. Jenkins. I really am sorry I missed his call last week he took the time to call my house. He’s a true American and will do the right thing. I really think they all will. They sure did on 7/10/08. 8 YES’s PLEASE!!
All members of the board - take a look back in time - you touched the entire nation, and they all THANKED YOU for taking the lead on this crisis! Letters of thanks from WV, UT, IN, FL, LA, MD, PA, CA and the list goes on!
Now go back and read the comments in the attached article and remember, the nation is watching you! VOTE YES TO FUND THE RESOLUTION!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21703&page=4
mcr,
Will you be there tomorrow. We need you there!! Thanks for the above post.
Yes indeedy - I will be there!
mcr,
Bring your friends too! I’ll see you there!!
I think it doesn’t matter how much you want to bark., when the federal court says this can’t be implemented, it really doesn’t matter what you do or say. “that’s all!, stewart just want to be re-elect, after that he is going to kick your ass to the cliff.
you all know that this can’t be possible, I’m sure that you all know about hazelton. PA , people spent alot of money, for what ? for nothing” it’s just waste money and time.
give up.
manassascityresident
don’t think that viginia is for lovers”, like people and you suposse, at least not HSM! I’ll better say a bunch of haters.
I mean, suppose
If that is the extent of your ability to counter the policy positions of HSM, Anon 12:53, I think HSM has pretty much won the battle. Just dismiss the largest grassroots organization in the county, which is larger than the combined chambers of commerce plus the combined Democratic and Republican party committees as a “bunch of haters”, and it’s pretty clear you can’t argue the points than HSM has raised.
As for the Hazleton ruling, what the county did was entirely a different tact than Hazleton, and it’s ridiculous to claim that what happened at Hazleton has any bearing on what Prince William is doing. Besides, Hazleton is very likely to win it’s case on appeal. That court doesn’t have the power to re-write the Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Hazleton is going to go through a series of appeals, no doubt, and what is learned after that legal process is complete will do nothing but help localities to craft legislation to combat the problems associated with illegal immigration.
If Hazleton wins in the end, every locality that can will adopt similar measures. If they somehow lose, what is learned from the court’s decision will help ensure that what other localities will do is going to be legally defensible, as the eventual decisive opinion will likely provide a road map for localities to follow.
You may want localities to stop addressing this issue, but that’s not going to happen. The citizens have had enough, and one way or another they will find a means that the courts will allow to address these problems. It’s just a matter of time before definitive guidance from the courts on this issue will be established.
that’s the way how you see things but, don’t you think that it’s kind of twisted? in order to find a way for the court allow this kind of things, is a little bit of corruption, I think they have to change the constitution.
it will be not USA anymore.
gone!
I am just waiting for the first arrests for driving while brown.
BTW, what part of illegal do you Help Sink Manassas crowd not understand? Only the feds can enforce immigration regs. Besides, Reagan signed the act that decriminalized crossing the border without proper authority. The only penalty for improperly crossing the border is deportation. No arrest, no detention, no fine under the law.
No matter how it turns out, illegals, you have already lost. The county’s residents are fed up with you and your entitlement mentality. And unfortunately, when the legal residents include themselves, they, too, make themselves unwelcome, like ungrateful guests. We are a country built on the rule of law. All the boycotting, striking, protesting and suing doesn’t endear you to us.
Hazelton differed from Manassas and how it was worded. Still, the people in Hazelton will get another day in court. The people of the US have spoken, are starting to speak and nothing will stop us now.
“Attrition through enforcement”…VOTE YES!
The illegals and their “bleeding heart” supporters have awakened the sleeping tiger. Grrrrrrrr!
Jesus Was a NOT a Democrat on 16 Oct 2007 at 1:56 am:
Two strikes and see what it gets you/them!
(Anonymous: 12:33 & 12:53)
Hate? Yes, I suppose you may be correct, for we do indeed
hate and despise crime and the criminals who commit those
crimes. We also hate seeing crowds of drunks lying all over
lawns, amid their corolla bottles and trash (which never gets
cleaned up), over crowded schools which means catering to
your “anchors”, well, I could go on, but I think you get the
picture. Then, maybe not. You just don’t seem to get it…
period.
Gone Fishing
They also like urinate in the yards(front, side, and back) too!!
There are still children living here after all.
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 8:46 am:
Jesus Was a NOT a Democrat on 16 Oct 2007 at 1:56 am:
Second time you get caught it is a felony and a Federal offense with up to 20 in prison as your “reward.”
A week-long operation in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area last month netted 34 people from Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Somalia with ties to street gangs, Keegan said. Five people are charged with state crimes, nine face federal charges for re-entering the USA after previous deportations, and four are permanent U.S. residents who have previous criminal convictions, he added.
Jesus Was a Democrat said on 16 Oct 2007 at 1:56 am:
I respectfully request that you crawl back underneath the rock from whence you came.
If you cannot engage in reasonable conversation - please feel free to refrain from visiting this site and spout your pro-illegal agenda elsewhere.
Anonymous on 16 Oct 2007 at 12:33 am:
Apparently you know nothing of the subject to which you speak. Without any of the proposals that Hazelton, PA wanted to institute being enacted, just the THREAT of them has caused a considerable exedos of illegals from that town just like what is happening in PWC. Just the threat of enforcement is scaring the bejezus of of the illegals and they are “hitting the road” and will continue to do so as more and more communities take up the fight. If you haven’t reserved your U-HAUL yet, you better hurry because they are getting scarce!
anonymous 10:12 am
good for them! that means that they don’t want to see yor ugly and racist face., bastard.
your
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 10:35 am:
anonymous 10:12 am
good for them! that means that they don’t want to see yor ugly and racist face., bastard.
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Hey Anonymous at 10:35- You know what they taught in school about name calling: ‘It takes one to know one!!’
Go look in the mirror, you racist!
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 10:35 am:
anonymous 10:12 am
good for them! that means that they don’t want to see yor ugly and racist face., bastard..
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Hey Anonymous at 10:35- You know what they taught in school about name calling: ‘It takes one to know one!!’
Go look in the mirror, you racist!
Jesus was a Democrat…..you are a pathetic, liberal, illegal alien lover. You are in bed with the enemy of the U.S. Your predictable mantra of “it’s the federal government’s job to deal with the illegal aliens” is now worn , like a broken record. You make me sick. GO PW BOCS….ALL EIGHT VOTE YES!!!!!!!!! By the way your blasphemy of the name of Jesus is not appreciated.
That’s “Jesus was a democrat” I was referring to as blasphemous.
I wish one of the Anonymous would adopt a name so that we can follow your comments correctly and not be accused of addressing our remarks to the wrong person.
By the way, you didn’t need to use the B word.
Also, the courts don’t rule the country like you wish they would.
Furthermore, we will never, NEVER give up.
You know, Jesus had a great sense of humor and really liked to party. He’s probably laughing at what’s going on down here. I hope to have a beer with him some day. In fact he is neither Democrat or Republlican… he is a Libertarian.
He’s probably not laughing at what the BOCS is doing these days, though. You don’t have to go any further than the Beatitudes (which appear in both the New Testament and the Koran) to understand what is the right thing to do.
The “big guy” would tell you that none of this really matters because we are just passing through… and we should be nice to one another on the way. He would tell you not to worry about your property values… he would tell you to sell your house and give the money away. If you believe in Jesus and what he taught, don’t throw the illegals out, give one a hug, an old shirt, and perhaps a meal… and be particularly nice to the children. The “big guy” has a soft spot for kids and dogs.
I’m with Jesus on this one. Save your time if you think you can use anything he said to justify what’s going on in PWC.
Hey Jesus was a Libertarian!
Take a walk down some of the more unsavory areas of PWC, MC, and MP after midnight and you’ll get to meet “the big guy” sooner than later. The gang issue is for real. And they don’t care what color you are or give a hoot for the Beatitudes. There are no passages in the New Testament (or probably the Koran) that say being stupid/irresponsible is next to Godliness.
But the real question is WWMD…
What would Muhammad do?
What’s the big deal? No one gets out alive, that’ s ONE thing that nobody can change. Might as well enjoy the little glint of eternity we’re on this earth and do the best we can to let our co-human “beans” enjoy it too.
Hey “Libertarian..”Jesus advocated the rule of law…OBEDIENCE…the resolution is about ENFORCING the law. What is so difficult about that? America has ALWAYS welcomed immigrants….LEGAL. ILLEGALS are lawbreakers, butting in line in front of those immigrants who are being OBEDIENT to the law by following the LEGAL procedures to become LEGAL citizens. Our communities have been trashed by the ILLEGALS. We must restore what once was a clean, peaceful, orderly county and eradicate the gangs (spawned by MS-13), and lawlessness of your ILLEGAL ALIEN bretheren.
Reference what Keokuk said on 16 Oct 2007 at 12:00 pm
Keokuk,
Thanks for proving my point. I always wonder just what kind of people are wandering about the more unsavory areas of PWC, MC, and MP after midnight. You’re right, I won’t see you there. I guess I’m a coward as the gangs you refer to are the kind of people Jesus would have ministered to. He (and his disciples) didn’t mind being beaten for what they believed in.
I note your inference that I might be Muslim (your “or probably the Koran” comment). That would be incorrect. Just call me Reverend. I’m an ordained minister. That doesn’t make me smarter or better than anyone, it just means I spend more time thinking about the moral dimensions of what we do. I don’t mind being insulted. Who knows, I might be both stupid and irresponsible. It is kind of you to point out these possible flaws in my character from my clearly inflammatory note so that I may work on them. I’m sure you will find many more.
I’ll probably see you at the BOCS meeting. I don’t think I’ll wear a collar this time. It tends to imtimidate people.
Blessed are the peacemakers…
Yeah LOVISA, let’s just tip-toe thru the tulips , hold hands, and be merry during our short existence on earth. You have great wisdom , oh madame Lovisa.
Jesus was a Libertarian.
You seem to read into my comment more than I meant. “Or probably the Koran” was to indicate that I’ve have never read it and can’t attest to its doctines, etc.
Stupid or irresponsible are citizens that don’t care or are apathetic to the good of the community. If gangs continue to flourish, society will be severely harmed.
Yes, and after 31 years working for a law enforcement agency, I got to be around some pretty unsavory people.
I’ll be there at 1:30 and why not wear a collar. I’ll make it point to meet you.
Libertarian,
I think your Jesus is way too small. You must be what some folks call a “Red Letter” Christian, thinking that only the recorded, spoken words of Jesus are worth reading. Jesus is not only the meek and mild Savior, He is also the “Righteous Judge,” the One who comes to judge the nations. Boundaries are very, very important in God’s economy of things. If you read the ENTIRE Bible you would learn that God is the Lord of nations and that He is the One who actually set the nations’ boundaries. And, the Holy Scriptures actually instruct us to obey those in authority over us.
If the Christian God is going to be brought into our discussion of illegal immigration, let’s take the “whole counsel of God,” not just pick and choose the words that make us feel warm and fuzzy.
Poor Jesus! He is certainly being molded and reshaped to suit everyone’s purposes here today.
I think Jesus can take care of Himself. He doesn’t need you, me or anyone else to feel sorry for Him.
Let’s not resort to bringing Jesus into this situation. On another note, I was told to obey the laws of “The Bible and of The Land”!
Seems like some have totally disregarded The Laws of the Land.