It’s Show Time!
By Greg L | 16 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 860 Comments
Today the Prince William Board of County Supervisors will meet and decide on the final implementation of the resolution in support of the rule of law that was unanimously passed by the board on July 10th. If you can get to this meeting anytime between 1:30 PM and 5:00 PM, you will probably have an opportunity to have your voice heard during citizen’s time. Unless you want to cede the debate to the illegal alien lobby, which is going to be there in force today, you need to be there.
Supervisors Nohe, Jenkins and Barg have not indicated how they will vote, but the other supervisors — a majority — have indicated that they will support the final implementation details of this critical county policy. There’s still time to contact them before the vote, but being at the meeting should be your priority.
Here’s an example of why this vote is important:
I am coming to you with first hand experiences on some of the above items I have mentioned. 5 years ago I had my new car stolen out of a parking lot at work. Fortunately it was recovered, but unfortunately it was involved in a an accident while a state trooper was giving chase. Total cost to fix my car was approximately $12000.
Guess who stole it? An illegal immigrant, who had recently gotten out of prison & was charged with 4 felonies. The state trooper told me he was charging him with 4 more felonies for a total of 8 against him. Once the courts got through with him he would be deported by INS. Bottom line, he was released from jail due to the eyewitnesses not appearing for the court date and me not being summons to appear by the state trooper, due to having the eyewitness stating they would appear.
The state trooper then had to go back out to find this illegal felon who had no known address, arrest him again, summons me and other eyewitnesses again. Do you think he found Him? Hell no.
The policy being voted on today would, if it had been in place at the time this happens, have ensured that the illegal alien in question would be detained for deportation instead of being released back into our community. The Section 287(g) Program may have netted this criminal illegal alien, but if not the authority being given to the police department under General Order 45.01 would have allowed this criminal to be detained and deported regardless of whether he was successfully prosecuted for a felony offense.
This story is hardly the first one of these I’ve heard. Citizens regularly tell me of property damage they’ve suffered at the hands of an illegal alien and are outraged that the illegal alien seemingly got more lenient treatment than they would expect had they committed the offense, and was never deported after they’ve clearly demonstrated the risk they pose to the citizens. This has got to stop, and today we have the opportunity to see that it does.
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I have a 2 o’clock appointment in Rockville, otherwise I would be there. Good luck to all those that attend!
Vote Yes and also, I’d like to thank Mr. Stewart for mailing the flyers out! It’s time we rid this area of ALL illegals!
ALERT - ALERT - ALERT
I got this from another forum today:
“Amnesty Advocates Set to Bring DREAM Act to the Floor!
Call Your Senators Now! This morning, we heard from reliable sources that amnesty advocates in the Senate are poised to renew their push to pass the DREAM Act. Our sources tell us that the DREAM Act will be offered as an amendment to the Labor, Health and Human Services Appropriations bill (H.R. 3043) on the Senate floor, most likely late TODAY or TOMORROW. We understand things to be moving so quickly that even Senate staffers do not have the text of the amendment!”
I am listening to the audiostream for the BOCS meeting. 1 minute of Ricardo Jaurez is painful. 3 Minutes is making my ears bleed.
While your listening….contact Senator Webb and Warner to vote NO to the Dream Act (see my Alert above)!
It’s Saturday morning. You’ve been mowing your lawn, and you run out of gas. So, all hot, sweaty, and dirty, you hop in the pickup to get some more. Out of your everyday routine, you’ve forgotten to bring your wallet, and driver’s license with you.
A policeman stops you for expired tags, a clear violation of the law. You show the officer the expired registration card, and a photo work ID that you keep in the glovebox. This clearly identifies you as the owner of the vehicle.
Under the current system, the officer would likely write you a ticket for not carrying your license and allow you to enjoy the rest of your weekend. Under the proposed measures, the officer would be obligated to dig a bit deeper. Consider these scenarios:
1) You are an illegal alien of Canadian descent. You speak English very well.
2) You are an American citizen, but your last name mysteriously ends in Q, just like Iraq. You also have a history of making things difficult for the local constabulary, and have a public affinity for alleged drug dealers.
3) You are a legal resident alien of Mexican descent. You’ve got a Mexican flag decal on your rear window. You speak with an accent.
4) You are an American citizen of Iranian descent. You speak with an accent.
Which of you will the officer choose for a more critical review of immigration status? Which of the legal residents will be happy to spend the rest of Saturday, and maybe Sunday, in jail?
Peter,
Were you at the last HSM meeting? If so, then you would realize your post is wrong. I believe Deane answered concerns about that at the meeting.
In my 20+ years of driving I can honestly say I’ve driven without my license maybe twice. The first thing I check before I get into my car is my back pocket to make sure I have my wallet and my license is always in my wallet.
I too am listening to the meeting via the internet and some of these people are making me ill. They should have been checking the papers of some of the speakers. Bottom line is that this county’s resources are being choked by the ILLEGALS! Those bleeding hearts that are upset for the illegals need to take them home and put them on their insurance. This is not a migration issue it is an INVASION issue!
I will be more than happy to carry my id with me…you are supposed to anyway!
What URL?
Bottom-line….illegals are NOT entitled to ANYTHING! PERIOD!
Sorry, I wasn’t at the meeting. Which insignificant traffic violations will subject drivers to more critical review? And has it been decided how the police will identify people for immigration status checks without “profiling”?
I’m not as concerned with what’s on paper as how the policy is being implemented.
I suppose one could use the “profiling” argument for any crime now can’t you?
It is easy…it is called “criminal profiling”.
Mr. Rocha is speaking now. He thinks the illegals are being targeted because of the war in Iraq.
Sorry I can’t be there. Thanks to those of you who carry the flag (the AMERICAN FLAG) and show support for what’s legal!
It is not my assertion that this policy will not involve “profiling”.
It’s Corey’s
My question is, how will he be able to do that effectively without causing significant privacy and freedom concerns for all?
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 2:49 pm:
What URL?
http://www.pwcgov.org/bocs/audio/default.htm
Peter, a driver’s license is not proof of legal residency.
I’m pretty sure that the proposed system will consider VADL as proof, subject to certain restrictions. If not, it’s even more unwieldy. Is everyone going to have to carry a birth certificate and photo ID?
Is that how you want to live your life?
Does the resolution cover non-vehicular minor infractions like jaywalking? I ask because there is no law that says you have to possess or carry an ID.
PS: I mean for citizens. People with green cards are supposed to have them at all times under the law.
The lady from Catholic Charities is LYING!
Is anyone hearing the lady talk about the profiling in the 7/11 with the hispanic looking Asian woman? What a load of crap. Guaranteed that would have made the manassas-urinal messenger!!
I Like Ice-That’s exactly what I thought!
Some of these speakers should have spent some more time with their coaches!
When they say ‘Citizens Time’ does that mean ‘Legal Citizens?’ Should the speakers be required to provide documentation? Otherwise, this should be renamed to ‘Resident’s Time.’
Oh sure…the immigration attorney is against the resolution. I am SHOCKED (not).
“Is everyone going to have to carry a birth certificate and photo ID?”
No. A birth certificate is easily forged, anyway.
If I need proof of citizenship, which I doubt I will need except for when I start a new job, I have a passport. It does not have my address on it nor does it have my SSN. One can even use the passport number in place of an SSN for those organizations that have no business asking for your SSN.
In the scenario you described, where someone leaves their license at home, the police can check if someone has a licnese. It’s one reason why police cars are equipped with laptop computers.
slavery, racisim, xenophobia, sinful, unfair, blah blah blah
Shut up, sit down
Mark in Townes of Ashleigh
Did that guy just compare this to Rosa Parks refusing to sit at the back of the bus? Oh wait, Rosa Parks was a legal citizen, no? Nice try sir….
I loved the poem! Beat’s that 9-11 7/11 joke the pro-illegal guy told.
GET SOME GREG!
Good points Greg….
Can you imagine if they detained Ricky Ricardo!!
This is a classic example of the ignorant, uneducated, fearful masses being led by the nose by a few manipulative socialist Marxist snakes….YES…that means YOU Lyall, Steinback, Juarez (”the sweaty Mexican”), Jacinto. SHAME ON YOU! You cowards, you haven’t got the guts to go to these illegal aliens’ respective countries and mount an assault on THEIR governments for their BLATANT disregard of their own peoples’ human rights. YOU Socialists ARE PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MP Resident
“If I need proof of citizenship, which I doubt I will need except for when I start a new job, I have a passport.”
If you doubt you will need to prove your citizenship, why should everyone else?
People must purchase passports. Are you saying that acceptable ID should only be available to those who can afford it?
Do you want America to be a place where you need to carry documentation in order to pass freely?
Will the police officer who checks his computer for your drivers license choose to beleive your photo ID is not forged? Can he or she escalate the situation by asking for more proof?
48,000 American’s killed by illegal aliens since 9/11!!!
Hey Peter-Whatever it takes to secure me and my family!
In a nutshell: You didn’t close the border, you invited us.
Brother……
Peter, it’s quite easy. Exchange will probably go like this:
Peter you say your name is, who is the car registered to and what is address their address? It’s registered in your name, ok, what is your address? What’s your SSN? Do you have any warrants?
He walks back to car and verifies everything your telling him is true (he probably already knew the answers when we walked up) If everything you tell him checks out, then you will be on your way. If you make him question your motives, you get a free ride. VADL is required to be on you at all times while driving. To acquire VADL, you must be a citizen or legal resident and they do check it pretty extensively unlike say.. Maryland.
TDB:
Ditto. Whatever it takes.
as a kick i have mapping on google the address of people who are speaking, they are truly from all over the county.
These daytime meetings put legal citizens at a disadvantage. It makes it difficult or impossible for us to be heard since we actually have JOBS. Why aren’t meetings, that are of great importance, held at a time that is “fair” to everyone?
TDB do you have a government source on the 48,000 figure? Or a source on the figure you may be multiplying?
It’s on this blog somewhere. Have fun!
@4kidsnadog
Amen. That’s what burns me up. I just heard there are 2000+ Ricardo Juarez supporters there with more showing up.
That’s the rub. They’re there protesting while working schmucks like us are picking up the tab.
how can I listen to the PWC citizens comments via the internet?
Thanks
Never mind. I saw it above.
http://www.pwcgov.org/bocs/audio/default.htm
wah, wah, wah, wah
Shut up, sit down
Boo Hoo Hoo…My mom, the legal immigrant, will feel intimidated!
So, we should allow the drug runners that come here. Cuz they worked so hard to get here?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL
wow,
these illegal chicks are an angry group
She is illegal….she said her citizen kids…manassas dr
very smart also…
insult those who you are trying to convince to be on your side.
“Will the police officer who checks his computer for your drivers license choose to beleive your photo ID is not forged? Can he or she escalate the situation by asking for more proof?”
I don’t see why the officer would believe that the photo ID that has been presented to them is forged if their computer tells them that the person who presented that photo ID does indeed have a license, and the name checks out along with the address that person supplied.
I’m not sure how sophisticated their system is but they may even be able to pull up the photo on the driver’s license and use that to determine if you are who you say you are.
“People must purchase passports. Are you saying that acceptable ID should only be available to those who can afford it?”
People must purchase driver’s licenses and copies of their birth certificate, too.
“Do you want America to be a place where you need to carry documentation in order to pass freely?”
If you’re operating a motor vehicle you’re required to have documentation. If you want to walk, ride a bike, or ride a bus, you are not.
I’d like to remind you about the children in Appalachia!!
They were dragged here kicking and screaming!
I am sorry that your mother got raped while she was breaking the law, and crossing the border. Should we feel sorry for the thief who cuts himself and bleeds to death, while breaking into your house?
robi, you read my mind. No way is she LEGAL. Besides, Manassas Dr is in Manassas Park isn’t it? That is not PWC - the floor should only be open to PWC residents!!!
Someone now (on the pro-illegal side) is now asking for “amnesty”!!!!! JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!!
The thief’s next of kin could sue the homeowner and probably win.
Thanks TDB. Didn’t think you had any source. Why? Because law enforcement doesn’t keep statistics on the legal status of offenders. Plus for that to be available, one would also have to have the stats on the citizenship or other status of all victims to make a statement about Americans and rule out all victims killed in murders committed by illegal aliens against other illegal aliens.
Despite the fact this data isn’t collected by the government, people on this blog continually post such things, never of course with a source.
If the data were being kept then these folks, who I am sure you would applaud, would not be starting their new project.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/28476.html
Although again they will need to verify the citizenship of the victims as well as the offenders. Something they don’t mention.
I don’t care about this issue at all, but I’m glad Chris Pennell spoke. She is so hot!
How about making all of the illegal aliens wait until all of the LEGAL redisdents have spoken?
Ms. Lemus, pro-illegal, just said “we need more traditional schools” I couldn’t agree more….
She couldn’t be more abbrasive, also.
“Besides, Manassas Dr is in Manassas Park isn’t it? That is not PWC”
A very small part of Manassas Drive, on the west side of 28, is not in Manassas Park. The way to know is to look at the house numbers–the original cape cods in Manassas Park have 3-digit house numbers. So anything with a 4-digit address on Manassas Drive on the west side of 28 is in the county.
The newer houses/lots in MP, including everything on the east side of 28, have a 4-digit address. There are no residential addresses on Manassas Drive on the east side of 28.
“So anything with a 4-digit address on Manassas Drive on the west side of 28 is in the county.”
Excluding the Apex Mart, that is.
Who the hell is speaking now? Esteban Wright? This guy mumbling “we ain’t going nowhere!”
many of these folks should have paid more attention in school.. especially in regards to the use of the English language
Geez…now we have to listen to the lady with the “I have a Dream…” speech!
This dame is funny! Of course she’s a citizen…they all are.
These hispanic chicks are venomous!!
wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
bye bye
Now 7/11 is racially profiling people, according to the angry busdriver. Boo Hoo, the children are moving….
Bye bye school bus driver. I’ve had a lot of friends leave my neighborhood on their own accord also.
Peter -
Nice Straw-Man argument. If the police officer is doing his job correctly, the answer is (5) all of the above. Not only is ignorance no defense of the law, but badly-formed questions deserve bad answers. If you are driving without a license (§ 46.2-300. Driving without license prohibited; penalties.) If you forget the license at home, depending on the distance, then asking the officer to accompany you to your license is not a great deal. Otherwise, take the ticket, suck it up, go to court on the appointed day (with your license!) and watch as it (will most likely be) nolle prosque’d. You may get yelled at by the judge for not having your license on you, though.
go home…no fear at home
yes you are…civil criminal
Yes, they are doing the right thing!!
Lady…when you walk down the street, carrying a “si Se Puede” sign, we think you are illegal.
Such spew
Oh, now we have a translator.
Now we have to be translated…CALL ICE NOW!!!!
cuz I don’t want to go back!
Why do some of these Latinas sound so damned militant?
respect and dignity…lol
now the non-english speaking lady is trying to sell her “prick us, do we not bleed, curse us, do we not cry…” speech.
Well, I’m going to hell and being asked to “the front line” all at the same time.
We moved out of Dale City to get away from the Hispanics, parking cars on the previously well kept lawns, throwing trash in the street, playing that damn music all night (too loud), etc. Send every damn one of them back to where ever they came from, and smuggle the libs on the same bus and get them out of here.
Oh, we’re the threatening ones….. with our votes.
Don’t Argentinian’s have blond hair and blue eyes?
LOL! The Statue of Liberty is here!
sheeze we missed the statue of liberty speaker
I’ll wager that was our Lovisa
do the legal Americans get to speak after they get home from work?
Hey, did you call the KKK? I know I didn’t but someone thinks we may have.
The chicks are angry.. the men contort logic..
of course we need more of these folks in America. Future policitians
What was the deal with the dude with the MD flag?
Whoa, we channeling Satan now? Bad audio.
How is it all of these “hard working” folks have time to show up in the middle of the day to speak?
citizenofmanassas said on 16 Oct 2007 at 5:50 pm:
How is it all of these “hard working” folks have time to show up in the middle of the day to speak?
Unfortunately, the illegals may be better organized and feel they may have more to lose than the legal residents that depend on all this to just get better on it’s own.
Part of Manassas Drive in in the county.
How annoying is Sharon Pandak? They should send her to G’tmo to torture Terror suspects, just by talking to them.
Thumper said “To acquire VADL, you must be a citizen or legal resident and they do check it pretty extensively unlike say.. Maryland.”
Well Thumper for your information it is harder to prove legal presence or to prove citizenship to DMV than you think. Have you ever had to? I was mugged in Washington, DC. My wallet was stolen along with all my ID. I went to DMV with my SSN to get my driver’s license because mine was stolen. They would not issue it. I went home and got a copy of my certified birth certificate. I was born in Washington, DC. Guess what??? They still would not issue it. They had my picture and my file in their database, my original SS card and my certificate of live birth. Not enough to prove legal presence. They would not take my car registration and would not issue my driver’s license. Hope that never happens to you or any of you who are so hell bent on having this resolution passed. It is just going to make it harder on everyone. If you look different, have an accent, etc. then you will be questioned and detained even if you are a citizen.
Will the meeting be available on video and/or audio online afterwards?
Man, I love the anti-illegal Iranian lady. Do it right she says.
Sam, what DMV were you at? Virginia? What did you do to resolve the situation? What explanation did they give you for rejecting all your documentation?
I know someone who recently was at a Virginia DMV for a license renewal with all sorts of docs, including a passport, American born, no accent, and he couldn’t renew because their computer link to DHS was down.
Sam,
This resolution will have no bearing on how easy or hard it is to get a license at DMV. It doesn’t change the DMV policy. The DMV crackdown came after 9/11 because several highjackers obtained false VA DLs here in Northern VA. Sorry about your wallet, I went through the same thing.
Does anyone have an opinon about how long this will go on? My husband is now home to stay with the kids (unlike some who think it’s an appropriate venue to take your children to). I’m wondering if it would be worthwhile for me to drive over now. Does the board go into closed session at a certain time no matter how many are signed up and haven’t spoken yet?
Not sure if the close the sign up list to speak.
It will be going on for sometime. You should be fine. They will be there late 7 or 8 pm? Maybe longer…
this lady is trip.
As one aside, while I watch the play-by-play on Channel 23, this is cool in the sense that it is democracy in action.
As another aside, I wish they’d just go ahead and vote!
Channel 23 is live right now? This isn’t taped from earlier today?
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 6:02 pm:
“Will the meeting be available on video and/or audio online afterwards?”
You will be able to view it on comcast, they will re air it.
You will also be able to listen online as well as past meetings.
http://www.pwcgov.org/bocs/audio/default.htm
Also, The film makers on youtube at will cover this too.
http://www.youtube.com/9500Liberty
Hope this helps.
I think the statue of liberty idiot is louvisa. Sharon Pandak is on drugs
Josh,
Did you get to see your boy Ricardo sweating again?
Anonymous,
I believe what I’m watching is live.
Yes it is live
Yes, everything is live now but Comcast will replay it and it will be on the internet to listen to it later as well as past meetings.
The PWCBOS should only let legal PWC residents speak. Those are the people who vote and those are the people are who they are “suppose” represent. It is unfair to let illegals and residents from other areas to air their opinion.
4 hours later and Citizens’ Time is still going on. What a wast of time!!! The Supervisors have already made up their minds. Do any of the speakers really think they can change their Supervisor’s mind ?
This guy is number 150 on the list of 200 signed up…..it’s going to be a
long night.
redawn, will it be on the BOCs site after?
Now I know who Lafayette is.
4kidsnadog, it’s unfair to allow the people whom the resolution would most affect give their opinions?
Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 6:44 pm:
‘
redawn, will it be on the BOCs site after?’
Yes the tape it and you will be able to hear it later. You can listen to past meetings anytime.
I just wish I could WATCH it. I have Direct TV.
I have listened to many of today’s speakers on the web. I am proud to be an American. I hope that the illegals learn from the speakers, go home, imitate them, and make their own communities in their own countries better. Just like the citizens of Prince William County are doing today.
What did that Sharon Pandak have to say? I missed her non-sense. Was she spouting off the “power of 5″ BS? I told them I want to hear the “power of 8″!!
Lafayette,
By the way, did you see that comment you are hot? LOL
Was it the BIG circus outside?
Last two gents were great. I really liked the “bring it”!!
It was a sea of green shirts.
I have that song in my head ” We are the world, we are the children”
redawn,
Yes and yes. We are on way back down there@7:15. Do you want to go? I have pictures and video!
Nancy L was looking tired at about 4!
Where was John Steinbach?
I can’t go. I want to SEE the video and pictures, I am sure they are good!
The highlight of the 200+ speakers so far was a lady dressed in a Statue of Liberty costume who came to the podium. She began to speak and Steward interrupted her and asked for her name and address. She said she was Lady Liberty and her address was Manhattan, NY Harbor. He them asked her if she was a PWC resident. She said no, so she had to sit down since non PWC folks who want to speak will go last (maybe by midnight). And so it’s now 7:00 PM and it goes on … and goes no… and goes on …Theater of the Absurd, it is.
3 minutes per speaker, 20 speakers per hour, 200 people. Long night. Thanks to everyone who went from hsm.
Someone call Papa John’s for the board members.
Redawn, “I have that song in my head ” We are the world, we are the children””
The one in my head is Quiet Riot’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It”.
es_la_lay,
YES! Hah! Hah! Right now its “Round and Round” (Ratt)
Michael: “…She said she was Lady Liberty and her address was Manhattan, NY Harbor.”
ROFL! She also offered her “alter-ego” (her words) and gave her real name. Good grief!
“…Theater of the Absurd, it is.” Hopefully an exercise of futility!
I left the McCoart building at 4:15. I had arrived at 1:20 and was #110 on the list to speak. You would not believe the parking lot when I arrived - completely full surrounding the entire building. As soon as we signed in to speak, we were told to wait outside. Standing room only (outside).
At about speaker #56 they announced that they would listen to all residents of PWC before anyone else. Since I’m a resident of the City of Manassas, I knew I would thrown to the end of the list - somewhere around #200. I had to get back to Manassas by 5:00 - so I had to leave. I feel so badly for not being able to stay.
It was unbelievable…I am pretty confident that the protesters standing outside were bussed in for the meeting.
It was unbelievable….
ELL,
And her alter ego wasn’t a legal resident either. ho ho ho …to the back of the line!
I saw Miss Liberty walking around enjoying the odd looks. What a train wreck….holy smokes…..
I think this lady speaking is “ateacher”!
manassascityresident,
“It was unbelievable…I am pretty confident that the protesters standing outside were bussed in for the meeting”
When I went to the July 10th meeting. They were bussesd in.
It is shame YOU didn’t get to speak we have heard , self confessed ILLEGAL PWC residents speak.
IT is just a huge CIRCUS!
Where there empty water bottles scattered everywhere outside too?
mcr,
Maureen is still waiting to speak, and PWC residents are still signing up.
MCR,
How many people do you estimate were there (outside). I heard a couple thousand. Just curious.
Lafayette,
I don’t think so. The one who was just on was Stephanie Williams.
I believe she used to do court interpretations.
es_la_ley
Sorry, it Twisted Swister.
redawn,
The shots still and video are pretty good!
Lafayette,
Try and email them if you can.
dolph,
I only say this because someone told me today she’s ESOL teacher for the county(Adult). Could be possible. I’m on my way back down there now.
redawn,
Will do later. I’m off to get more footage and shots.-lol
redawn,
didnt get a chance to see anyone, I just got off duty and coming home to get some food and go to sleep
But I did listen to about 2 hours of the audio on my cellphone on the way home and a bit here…people were pretty passionate about what they were saying and it was awesome. the illegal alien crowd didnt make too much sense as usual. Cant believe these yahoo’s think they have rights as citizens when most are illegal..still havent figured that one out yet.
I did hear old ricky (thought it was him) and it sounded as retarded as usual.
Stephanie Williams has a quote at the bottom of the article (the last few paragraphs)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/11/AR2007091102255.html
Perhaps it is the same one……however it is a common name.
Josh,
Get a good night sleep, it may STILL be going on in the morining at this rate.
“Cant believe these yahoo’s think they have rights as citizens when most are illegal..still havent figured that one out yet”
Not mention the arrogance some have shown.
Did he just say, “we got to get through 350?” Good night, Gracie…
Wow, they just are hitting speaker #200 at 7:45. They have 350 total! This will be a looonnnnggg night!
@ Retiredwildgoose said on 16 Oct 2007 at 7:46 pm:
Yep, you beat me to it!
only murder constitues being a criminal…cheese and rice!
Watching this stuff on Channel 23, the one thing that sticks in my craw, and has always done so in the past, is that it is about legal vs. illegal. Too many folks aren’t making that distinction, but that is what it’s all about.
of course she’s a teacher
lafayette,
not the case.
sure let’s give them some money
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Spent a little over 2 hours today at McCoart today. A zoo. And I am guessing that the grassy knoll between the building and the Parkway will smell every bit of that tomorrow. Also, I would not advise anyone to walk from the building to the parking lots in back in the dark without some “legal” company. Uh, lots of legal company.
is that channel 23 on comcast?
what would happen if everyone came to America..would the earth’s axis tilt?…yes, getting tired.
this is mind numbing!!
shut up, sit down.
Let’s do the math… 150 minutes (for 150 speakers) plus new signups plus 10 seconds between speakers for another 3 hours… that’s 11:00.
her having strong morals is not the issue
a citizen that cannot speak the language of her adopted country
TDB,
yes channel 23 is on comcast.
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Just a suggestion, we need to be to be carefully about outting people we know from the blog who are speaking . Some people are very concerned about their anonymity.
my channel 23 isn’t showing the meeting
Dolph,
EXCELLENT POINT! This thread is a timeline! Thank you!
Not to pass judgment, but one lady just on 23 said she has here for 14 years… doesn’t speak English and had to speak through an interpreter.
Assimilation doesn’t seem to be an issue?
I am confused 150 min for 150 speakers? I thought they were still getting three mins? I stepped away for a minute, did they change the rules?
OMG, That kid needs a spanking…she is making devil horns behind her dad’s head. He is speaking on a serious issue and she is doing devil horns. LOL LOL
Nutball at 8:09!
case closed…no one is illegal
Good for this guy
Principi will be up (?)
My name is Jose Jimenez…
Dolph,
SEE it i so much better watching….bummer
TDB,
I know that in the Manassas, Comcast does not carry the meeting. Can only listen to it on the Internet.
I didn’t listen. I was laughing too hard at his little girl.
this now officially a circus
Ah, here comes big John. Let’s watch him get his pissed off face on while he waits his turn.
I’m listening to the internet feed
She is a terrible translator
oh, please can someone post the video of his comments here?
who me? sorry.
Uhm, did the current speaker just admit that she is illegal? Where is ICE when you need them?
Regarding Anonymous said on 16 Oct 2007 at 8:08 pm: - I am confused 150 min for 150 speakers? I thought they were still getting three mins? I stepped away for a minute, did they change the rules?
I think they did change the rules to 1 min per speaker… can anyone confirm? It was an issue when the public comments started.
So, who in the hell is stealing the ID’s, killing our citizens, trashing our neighborhoods, …
I wonder who is behind, the internet audio?
There should be an ICE rink out there
Amen to that TDB @ 8:17!
What tha?
yes they are..that should be sent back home
When they started the board overrode the chairman with a 6-2 vote to allow 3 mins still and to allow an unlimited people to speak.
OK, question. Has anyone thought to limit speakers to over 18 years old?
Sure they are human beings. Just follow the law and GET LEGAL and we’ll welcome them all. If you go leech off our emergency rooms and skip out on the bill, what do you expect us to do? Seriously. Give me a break.
re the 3 minutes
I believe Stewart was going to limit speeches to 1 minute. There was a motion to keep it at 3 minutes. A vote was taken and I believe 3 minutes won 6 to 2. It was confusing.
I smell a unanimous vote for the resolution.
Amen to that Mike @ 8:20, and how about no more of this translator nonsense, too!
Who wants to bet that when the resolution passes, the illegals riot?
Here’s Johnny~~
“So, who in the hell is stealing the ID’s, killing our citizens, trashing our neighborhoods, …”
Angry Black man
Bats:
“I smell a unanimous vote for the resolution.”
You do? I’m getting nervous!
“Who wants to bet that when the resolution passes, the illegals riot?”
I bet that you will riot when the whole thing goes against you
These are the people that make it a hispanic issue
Steinbach’s on!
Better get nervous es la ley. It won’t pass and all of you will cry
es_la_lay said on 16 Oct 2007 at 7:29 pm:
MCR,
How many people do you estimate were there (outside). I heard a couple thousand. Just curious.
I don’t know about a couple thousand - I’d say possibly just under 1,000. The bussed in protesters were all clumped together standing along the driveway-
Has anyone heard Maureen Wood yet? I can’t get channel 23.
It is not a Hispanic issue it is a problem of all your racist minds
I think it was confusing because they didn’t know how many votes they needed to pass the suspension of the rules, but it was a simple majority instead of a two thirds vote. Which is odd because under Robert’s Rules they would have needed that super majority. Robert’s Rule is the form of parliamentary procedure used here, along with the procedures. Funny the Chairman invited county, but wanted to limit their time to speak.
Actually, I may be wrong here….perhaps letting these folks stand there, and bumble through what they cannot effectively communicate to the BOCS is helping to bury them. I must say this is the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. I may have to join HSM after seeing this circus.
The chairman just wanted to use your taxes for self promotion
Zapata: If the vote for the resolution passes, you buy me a Sam Adams. If it fails, I’ll buy you a Corona. Fair?
8:36
what are you suggesting, they let all these goofballs speak as long as they want? get a grip, there has to be some limit. Think a bit before you type
I love this Indian guy!! Go Apoo (sp?)
“I may have to join HSM after seeing this circus”
Go ahead then! For sure you will join the circus
Maureen has not spoke as of yet.
I’ll betcha they don’t vote tonight.
Racism is among students…intersting comment…being called a mexican is now bad
mcr,
I have not seen Maureen. I might have missed her but I don’t think so.
Dolph
TBD,
The red neck anouncer! You are a racist nut head
do these people understand that they created this situation? It is not racism yet.. it is about ILLEGAL aliens.. If left alone it will turn into racism and balkanism and then we will have a BIG problem
Controlled, documented, orderly…unique concepts
“I’ll betcha they don’t vote tonight.”
They just wanted an audience and all of you fools thought that your voices were the one to be heard. Get rid of all of them in November!
Es La Let, I will buy you a Guiness. I am one of thos Illegal Irish
“I bet that you will riot when the whole thing goes against you”
Zapata,
We won’t riot. We have orderly ways of dealing with our disagreements.
Rioting is counterproductive, and not how problems are solved in first-world nations.
Balkanism! You just heard the word ignorant red neck. Read books and learn. Next find the time to use “Robust”
I agree with Zapata.. get rid of all the illegals in November.. sooner if possible..lol
Hear the HATE!!!
MP Resident,
Like joinng HSM? Read a book and you will do yourself a favor
I was just thinking that since everyone was invited that they should be allowed to speak.
LMAO!!!
what number are we on?
Hear the HATE? You are funny TB (tuberculosis?)
PROVE IT!
Southside?
Last woman at 8:36PM said at the end of her talk - “Kiss my ASS”. BOS wants to strike that out of the record.
Maybe he had to poop?
NICE! IS she being escorted out?
“I was just thinking that since everyone was invited that they should be allowed to speak”
AMEN! and then no vote. Stewart got what he wanted. $31,000 buy you some ignorant people
The lady on at 8:36 actually said “kiss my ass” to the board!
The lady on at 8:36 actually said “kiss my ass” to the board!
SIN!
What business does she own?
TDB: I loved your running commentary. Too funny! Oh yes, those chicas will get in your face. Very angry.
“Read a book and you will do yourself a favor”
I’ve read many books. Any you had in mind?
She owns the one that takes cares of old ladies like yourself
and not piss in the street
Red Necks for Dummies!
“The lady on at 8:36 actually said “kiss my ass” to the board!”
Wow, obviously this one didn’t read “How to win friends and influence people”.
Ms. Kiss My Ass certainly didn’t garner any sympathy for illegal immigrants.
“Red Necks for Dummies!”
Is that the best you can come up with? I can see I’m dealing with an intellectual lightweight here.
Zapata: Es La Let [sic], I will buy you a Guiness. I am one of thos [sic] Illegal Irish.
Noted.
Who is this guy speaking?
“Ms. Kiss My Ass certainly didn’t garner any sympathy for illegal immigrants.”
Some of them sure do seem to have a HUGE entitlement complex. They think they’re owed something.
ou live in Manasass and you are an intelectual. The books you read didn’t help you to make money. Reading Carnegie (old, old book) got you friends and a miserable neighborhood.
I would laugh it turns out to be that he spent the money to get the illegals there for 31k and have ice arrest them and show that it does not cost that much money to get rid of them.
Like they do the stings of you won a prize come on down…..
But, expect to be punished when you’re caught/busted
HALF way home / done…good night. Enjoy!
8:46
now that would be way too funny
For the guy speaking HEY M. Frye
I mean yeah…Mr. Frye
I’m actually pretty happy with my neighborhood, particularly since the construction industry started slowing down and the “migrant workers” started migrating right out of here.
You’d probably be surprised how much money I make, and yes, the books I read DID help me to make that money.
Dolph,
Email me the outcome if you are still up.
And, how is being asked if you are here legal or not is a problem?
I welcome the question.
I’m not happy with the ridiculous property taxes but that’ll get fixed in 2008, if not before…the gears in the political machine in this city are running out of oil and they’re going to grind to a halt.
With no help of government…socialist
Now they’re putting the anchor babies on display
I would not be surprised if the mindset of the average illegal alien that sneaks into this country is that they’re coming to take what is rightfully theirs… or they start thinking that after hearing talk of “economic justice” and the fringe groups that support illegal aliens that tend to have Marxist leanings which support that idea.
Hence the entitlement complex. They are owed what was stolen from them by the big, bad, evil USA.
notice how level, precise, to the point most of the speakers in favor of the measure are? Many of them finish before their time is up. contrast this with the venom that comes from the mouths of the illegals and other opponents?
where’s the tissue?
Wow, the ugly certainly is coming out tonight - from both Zapata and the other side. I am against illegal immigration (enter legally…period), but comments like “I love this Indian guy!! Go Apoo (sp?)” does nothing to serve the cause of legal immigration. It turns people off to the arguments, HSM, and what this blogger is trying to do in this community.
And Zapata, there are plenty of people who legally immigrated to this country in the past few years, such as my sister-in-law, and paid an economic price for doing so. She waited until she could legally enter this country to marry my brother. She waited until she could legally work until she did so, with my brother in graduate school (a pretty poor existence), passing the time studying English.
That is how it should be done.
Shut up, sit down!
Smoke some more weed!
is the board voting to pass slavery?..lol
ALWAYS FOR THE CHILDREN!!! YOU COULD GIVE THE KIDS ONE BILLION DOLLARS AND THAT WOULDN”T BE ENOUGH!!!
“Zapata said on 16 Oct 2007 at 8:26 pm:
It is not a Hispanic issue it is a problem of all your racist minds”
Zapata, you are living in the land of OZ.
Say hello to the Tin-Man for me.
I can’t stop laughing!! This is better than any FOX show!
The chilren’s
MP Resident at 8:57 pm,
There are groups out there that think so:
http://www.mexica-movement.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1Qqhx7xhI
Where the f is the translator?
oh..there she is
i can’t stop crying
would someone think about the childrens..lol and George Washington?..
Just once I would like to hear someone end with.. “and to my American brethren… God bless the USA and all who leaglly reside here. ” instead of something that is not understandable unless one speaks spanish
MP Resident at 8:57 pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO3MOVm3MkM
Loosely translated: Please deport me now.
“contrast this with the venom that comes from the mouths of the illegals and other opponents?”
They are angry and mad at their lot in life and looking for someone to blame. Right now, it’s going to be the people who want the law upheld.
Really, the people they need to blame are the politicians running the country they left to sneak into this one. The same politicians that encouraged them to leave, who run the same country whose flag they proudly emblazon the vehicles they drive.
isn’t that the idea…if you’re here illegaly you have to go…and if you love your family so much than do the right thing. If it’s worth having, then it’s worth working for!!!
9:02
If he is.. can he click his heels and go home?
Bless those six board members who voted to allow three minutes per “citizen” speaker. Stewart and Stirrup voted for one minute; the remaining six voted for three. Very productive use of time, huh?…:(
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dulles Airport…..Great
can you imagine what is going through the supervisors minds right now
If you KNOW you are entering the US Illegally, Why are you having children knowing the RISK you are already taking by being here and facing deportation? IS that responsible? Who’s fault is that?
Cry me a River! The reason why many of these pro-illegal speakers don’t want the funding of the resolution is…….drum roll please……they are probably aiding and abetting!!!!!!!!
For the love of God
Redawn, I have seen that video and others. I am aware of the desire of some for a “reconquista”.
So, hypothetically speaking–they get their “reconquista”.
What next? What are they going to do different with that land? What are they going to do with that land that they