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Colgan Steals Fitzsimmonds Plan, MJM Drives By Without Noticing

By Greg L | 17 October 2007 | 29th VA Senate | 66 Comments

The Manassas Urinal Massager, which has never failed to take an editorial position aligned with the illegal immigrant lobby, has blacked out Bob FitzSimmonds in today’s issue while attempting to give cover to their good buddy Chuck Colgan after Colgan failed to sponsor a single bill addressing illegal immigration in the last 32 years. The one-sided “article” discusses Colgan’s new found support for Bob FitzSimmonds’ plan to penalize government contractors who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Of course the “article” does not mention that FitzSimmonds articulated this idea at the debates the MJM failed to cover or that it has been noted in FitzSimmonds’ campaign mail as recently as yesterday because the article never mentions FitzSimmonds at all.

The article does however make note that Governor Kaine and the manager of a Chantilly company that has donated $2,500 to Colgan’s campaign think Colgan is tough on illegal immigration. Colgan can try to steal portions of FitzSimmonds platform, but the records of each candidate are clear. Chuck Colgan has voted for in-state tuition for illegal aliens, opposed denying state benefits to illegal aliens, opposed closing a loophole that allowed illegal aliens to register to vote and not been able to find the time to sponsor one bill addressing illegal immigration, perhaps because he was too busy fighting about the state song.

But now he’s on “the cutting edge of the solution” to a problem that he said recently doesn’t even exist, because all those folks we might think are illegal are actually Salvadorans, according to Colgan, who have applied for and been granted Temporary Protected Status. Don’t get me wrong — this is a good proposal. It’s just one that his opponent, who understands that the 21% of inmates in our prison who are illegal aliens didn’t just land in the Adult Detention Center courtesy of the illegal alien fairy, has been talking about for weeks.

Great drive-by journalism, guys.



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66 Comments

  1. Line Breaker said on 17 Oct 2007 at 7:21 am:
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    After obtaining the right to vote back in 1973, and having always voted Democratic, the times they are a changin…..

    My vote, which DOES matter, is going to the candidates that are vocal and instrumental in controlling illegal aliens. At this point, it doesn’t matter what party you are in, what you did 20 years ago. What matters, HELLO PEOPLE, is the noise you are making RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

    Here is your opportunity to make a difference in our area, our Nation. If you choose to sit on the sidelines and take a “SAFE” approach, to see which way the wind does blow, you will be missing the boat.

  2. The Patriot said on 17 Oct 2007 at 8:15 am:
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    Fitz has the voting record…which means he walks the walk. Colgan only talks the talk (due to his “conversion on the way to damascus”).

  3. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 8:21 am:
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    Fitz has the voting record? Could you send me a link of his “votes”? Voting for Fitz is swallowing a bitter pill. Anyone who has seen him operate in his previous failed bids for office, knows this guy is all about self-glory, not public service. He is a dirty operator and will say anything if he thinks it will get him elected.

  4. The Patriot said on 17 Oct 2007 at 8:51 am:
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    I support Fitz with his following positions (which are clearly stated on his web site and are measurable):
    “Immigration:

    Immigration has historically been a great blessing to this country and we should continue to welcome all who come here legally. Some of our finest citizens are those who had the courage to leave their native lands to seek the opportunity that we uniquely enjoy as Americans. But no one should begin a new life here by breaking the law.

    It is fundamentally wrong to look the other way while some “push to the head of the line”, leaving those who have followed the rules waiting in their home countries for approval to immigrate.

    This issue is one that ultimately must be decided at the federal level through stronger border enforcement and reform of our outmoded immigration system. The current “reform package” making its way through Congress, falls far short of what is really needed. Even so, there are things that we can do at the state level to discourage illegal immigrants from coming here. Specifically we should:

    - Deny state benefits to illegal immigrants, wherever allowed by law
    - Punish employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants
    - Deny in-state tuition benefits at public universities to students who are here illegally
    - Provide immigration enforcement training to state police
    - Require information on legal status for all public school students and other consumers of public services, to create a true picture of the impact illegal immigration is having on public services in Virginia.”

  5. AWCheney said on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:00 am:
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    Patriot, he has conveniently forgotten to add that, prior to the public outcry and subsequent rise of Help Save Manassas, Mr. FitzSimmonds had been telling people that he supported amnesty. His sudden conversion was very convenient.

  6. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:27 am:
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    AWCheney-When do you allege he supported amnesty, was it when he was helping pass laws addressing illegal immigration with Sen. Cuccinelli or was it when he had the early support of resolution writer John Stirrup?

  7. Patty said on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:37 am:
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    It doesn’t surprise me that Colgan would steal Bob Fitzsimmonds plan. If he is that serious how come Colgan hasn’t sent a letter to Governor Kaine asking him to enter the state into the 287g program?

    It doesn’t surprise me that Colgan would stoop to such tactics. After all, he puts up his signs at vacant houses that are up for sale. He especially likes to put his signs at houses up for sale that have se habla espanol. Oh, that’s right he does like to converse with the “legal” Salvadorans that hang out at the 7-11 and he encourages us to do the same. Just don’t pay attention to the cat calls at women, the trash and public urination.

    Of course, he would SAY he supports cracking down on illegal immigrants and at the same time he says he isn’t going to make any promises he can’t keep.

    When are you PWC citizens going to realize that this man has become a career politician and will say anything to get elected, while he really doesn’t give a crap about your concerns.

    If you do elect Colgan and he gets his gas tax, you only have to blame yourself when you go to the pump. You already have a horrible commute thanks to him and then he will make you suffer for it by raising the cost of gas.

  8. Manassasinsider said on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:54 am:
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    Jackson Miller is the only political candidate in any party that I know of around here that has been pushing the illigal immigration agenda for more than the last 18 months.

  9. cprofits said on 17 Oct 2007 at 10:40 am:
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    Can someone explain the context and give examples of when Bob FitzSimmonds supported amnesty?

  10. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 10:42 am:
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    Jackson Miller has certainly been a leader on this issue on the city council, but Bob FitzSimmonds was working toughening the penalties on human trafficking and closing a loophole that allowed illegal immigrants to register to vote in Ken Cuccinelli’s office in 2005 and 2006.

    Last year when Jackson Miller faced off against illegal alien fundraiser Jeanette Rishell, Chuck Colgan gave her campaign $500. Additionally Chuck Colgan has been voting to give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants since 2003, voted against denying state benefits to illegal in 2006 and against Cuccinelli and Lingamfelter’s bills to close the loophole that allowed illegal immigrants to vote.

    Jackson has certainly been at the forefront, but other candidates also have pre-resolution records, some good like FitzSimmonds and some bad like Colgan.

  11. Clean it up in '07 said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:12 am:
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    It is Fitzsimmonds who has the “Johnny-come-lately” position. It was not that long ago in this campaign that he responded to a someone’s complaints of the illegal alien problem with “why don’t you move?” His “handlers” got him spoutig the position he has now.

    It doesn’t matter anyway. He won’t be able to get anything done for PWC anyway. You tell me who is going to be more effective in Richmond? Fitzsimmonds who is known around the General Assembly as a pest, wannabee, bafoon even….who if he pulls this off will go in as a Freshman member of the Minority party (yes folks…that’s the reality) or Colgan….who will go in for his final term….and respected on both sides of the aisle as a key player on every major issue, especially the budget?

    The choice seems obvious. I’m supporting the Colgan, Miller, Marshall ACTION team. The team that is RESPECTED in Richmond!

  12. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    To the best of my limited recollection, Bob Fitz first took a public stand on this issue back in January at a fundraiser attended by former Gov. Gilmore when he said that people starting a new life in this country need to start it with a legal act, not an illegal act. Prior to that, he did not address the issue on his website. He didn’t build the bus, but he jumped on it. That’s a helluva lot more than Senor Colgan, who just wants to avoid being run over by it.

  13. Big Dog said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    FitzSimmonds has never served a day in public elective office
    and, consequently, has never made the tough decisions
    required to help pass quality legislation. Neither has Rishell.

    I’m supporting Colgan and Miller, in no small part,
    because of the knowledge and experience they
    gained serving in local government prior to
    going to Richmond.

    Suggest Bob might look at a seat on the county board
    and Jeanette for a spot on the Manassas Park council.
    That would be a good start and proving ground for
    each of them.

  14. AMY said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:34 am:
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    To comment on Fitz supporting amnesty. I know for a fact, when he began going door-to-door, he talked to a resident on Granary Place in Braemar and stated that he supported AMNESTY! He will say whatever you want to hear to get a VOTE! And he has these grandious plans but cannot clearly define how to carry them through! Come on people, wake up!

  15. Advocator said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:54 am:
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    I don’t think Colgan has ever carried anything but a paycheck.

  16. Bill Scott said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:07 pm:
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    Big Dog–I’m sure Senator Colgan would appreciate knowing that you have enjoyed that he has sponsored zero bills on illegal immigration in Richmond. Colgan would also be glad to hear that you appreciated that he:

    -Voted to give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants (Saslaw Substitute to HB 2339, 2003)

    -Voted against closing a loophole that allowed illegal immigrants to register to vote (HB 170, 2006 and SB 313, 2006)

    -Voted against denying state benefits to illegal immigrants (HB 1798, 2005 and SB 1143, 2005)

    Colgan has been there 32 years, so who cares if wastes time fighting for the state song and supporting what he even called “lously legislation” instead of sponsoring a single bill on illegal immigration?

  17. dolph said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:11 pm:
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    Has Rick FitzSimmonds ever held public office? If he has, it has been so undistinguished that I have forgotten.

    Chuck Colgan has a long distinguished record of helping Northern Virginia. He is well-respected in Richmond and is seen as a senior statesman, known for working well with both parties. He and I do not see eye to eye on several issues that are very important to me. However, overall, I respect his service to our area and will vote for him again.

    I see nothing wrong with anyone in public office telling the voters he will not make promises he cannot keep. To me, that is the paragon of honesty and integrity.

  18. AWCheney said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:27 pm:
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    Advocator said on 25 Jul 2007 at 9:34 pm:
    “Fitz Simmons may be just jumping on the bus, but at least he’s finally getting on board. I tried kicking him in his ass (couldn’t miss) several times to take a stand prior to the July 10 resolution, but he did not until he realized if he didn’t get on the bus, he might get run over.”

    All American said on 28 Aug 2007 at 4:17 pm:
    “Agree. This is a guy who supports Gill and up to a few weeks ago told someone to move if they didn’t like it. He is/was an Amnesty supporter.”

    Anonymous said on 19 Sep 2007 at 5:24 pm:
    “To be credible you must be objective…..

    Seems to me everyone wants to forget FitzSimmonds support of amnesty a few months ago…remember he said if you dont like it move.”

    To respond to your question Anonymous, I pulled the above comments from various threads, although I was unable to find the specific comment which I was seeking. I thought I recalled (aside from those which I just quoted) a comment from someone specifically stating that FitzSimmonds had spoken with a friend or relative in his/her home and stated his support for amnesty. Because I was unable to find that one, it is possible that I remembered it wrong, in which case my statement may well have been in error.

    Regardless, FitzSimmonds gave us Steve Chapman here in the 50th District and was one of the authors/strategists of that person’s campaign, utilizing tactics against Harry Parrish on the pro-life issue (they nit-picked and took out of context a record on pro-like that had previously rated Harry one of the staunchest supporters in the GA) very similar to those I see utilized against Chuck Colgan now on the illegal alien issue. In fact, Chuck DOES have a considerable record of support of bills addressing the illegal alien situation going back much farther than the following examples.

    Virginia General Assembly Immigration Bills 2002 - 2007:
    HB364 (2002), HB384 (2002), HB632 (2002), HB637 (2002), HB1313 (2002), HB1562 (2003), HB1610 (2003), HJ587 (2003), SB735 (2003), SB 767 (2003), SB1058 (2003), HB79 (2004), HB156 (2004), HB570 (2004), HB838 (2004), SB493 (2004), HB1543 (2005), HB1718 (2005), HB1789 (2005), HB1798 (2005), HB1837 (2005), HB2908 (2005), HB2910 (2005), SB1143 (2005), HB186 (2006), HB262 (2006), HB487 (2006), HB892 (2006), HB1046 (2006), HB1048 (2006), HB1050 (2006), HB1051 (2006), HB1067 (2006), HB1135 (2006), HB695 and HB1050. Incorporated by Education in HB695, HB1460 (2006), HB1570 (2006), SB180 (2006), SB629 (2006), HB1618 (2007), HB1906 (2007), HB1918 (2007), HB1921 (2007), HB2264 (2007), HB2322 (2007), HB2328 (2007), HB2435 (2007), HB2448 (2007), HB2605 (2007), HB2622 (2007), HB2623 (2007), HB2687 (2007), HB2688 (2007), HB2751 (2007), HB2826 (2007), HB2924 (2007), HB2926 (2007), HB2930 (2007), HB2931 (2007), HB2932 (2007), HB2933 (2007), HB2934 (2007), HB2936 (2007), HB3006 (2007), HB3206 (2007), SB815(2007), SB1027 (2007), SB1045 (2007), SB1227 (2007), SB1421 (2007)

    If you want to see the summaries of the bills, you can go to the following link:
    http://colganforsenate.org/?p=96 (at Sen. Colgan’s web site) or to the General Assembly web site to look up the complete texts of the bills…many, if not most, which did not pass.

    I’m sure that Del. Jackson Miller can attest to the fact that Immigration bills have been nearly impossible to get into the Senate intact, and then they generally fade away in the Senate Committees…or wind up bearing no resemblance to the original. Sen. Chuck Colgan does, indeed, have a considerable record on the illegal alien issue despite the fact that it has only become a major issue in the public perception (at least here in Virginia) in the past year. Passing controversial legislation of any kind at the State, or National, level is not cut and dried…it takes a sense governance, and often compromise (you don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater). Claiming that Chuck Colgan is pro-illegal alien is absolutely unfair and another of those “Chapman Methods” at work.

    Sorry it took so long for me to respond Anonymous. Obviously it took a while for me to pull all this together.

  19. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:29 pm:
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    It’s clear the MJM is going to endorse Colgan and give him a free pass regardless how little he has done about illegal immigration or transportation. Who knows maybe they really think Shenandoah should have been the state song.

  20. Brian Murphy said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:31 pm:
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    Colgan is senior “statesman” who has done nothing and has no positions other than what the pollsters tell him. His sole function in life is to get reelected.

    It took Bob FitzSimmonds and 32 years for Chuck to figure out that he needs to talk tough on illegal immigration. Or, it may just be that phone survey I participated in last week paid for by the Dem Senate caucus, you decide. But just two weeks ago at a forum Chuck declared that there was no immigration problem in our area. Amen, Brother Chuck has found religion!!!

    Chuck has now sunk to making promises he has no intention of keeping with the exception of funneling our money to SW Virginia to replace 40,000 outhouses. (another quote) I am afraid he is all too willing to keep that promise.

  21. Gone Fishing said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:47 pm:
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    Brian Murphy: “Amen, Brother Chuck has found religion!!!”
    Are you kidding? At his age, one would think Chuck would be
    honing his skills with the goal of meeting his Maker instead of
    stooping to this lowest of low political ploys!
    Shame on the MJM and double shame on Chuck!

  22. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:48 pm:
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    AWCheney- I would suggest you use the General Assembly website instead of relying on Colgan’s website. That of course is if you want the facts instead of Colgan’s misleading information. A few notes on your copy-paste though…

    -Colgan didn’t take a position on several of the bills you mention because they didn’t appear before the entire Senate or his own committee. Many of them died in the Courts of Justice Committee which Colgan does not serve. Of course Colgan did not co-sponsor these bills either.

    -The bills that Colgan did vote right on were ones that passed with 35+ votes, hardly profiles in courage.

    -Several of the bills are the same bill, meaning that they were identical and initiated in the same house so they were incorporated in to the bill with the lowest number and thus Colgan only voted on them once.

    -Colgan sponsored zero of the bills discussed.

    Regarding your own material- I’m not so sure Jackson Miller would say that considering Colgan has donated 500 dollars to his opponent who is a staunch advocate of illegal immigration. Jackson probably also doesn’t appreciate that Colgan didn’t co-sponsor one of his bills .

  23. Brighter Future said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:52 pm:
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    It is to bad that all we ever get is Fitz for a office seeker. He has not followed through in any organizations he has been involved with for quite some time.
    He showed many people what he was in the Repb. meetings.As he put forth Resolutions that was on paper that did nothing. He would talk one way and then turn around and do just the opposite.

    Can he be trusted at his word? I and others do not think so. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

    Are we better off with a Democrat in there? It’s hard to say,but at least he has experience and will listen to what you have to say.

    Fitz has a history of backing some odd candidates that have gone no where,and now he needs to go nowhere.

  24. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:54 pm:
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    dolph said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:11 pm:

    “Has Rick FitzSimmonds ever held public office? If he has, it has been so undistinguished that I have forgotten.”

    Naw RICK Simmonds has never held public office. Bob FitzSimmonds however has served as legislative director for five years to General Assembly members.

  25. Big Dog said on 17 Oct 2007 at 12:57 pm:
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    The massive wave of illegal immigration didn’t start
    to hit here until 4/5 years ago (look at all the data -
    ESL classes in our schools, etc) and,even then, most
    people in local and state office thought the Federal
    government under Republican George W. Bush would
    live up to its responsibility and take action. Of course,
    it didn’t - so state and local governments, by default,
    are now attempting to deal with the issue. To
    rattle on about Chuck Colgan not doing something about
    illegal immigration 32 years ago is stupid. Who, of
    either party in Richmond, focused on this 32,22,12
    or even 6 years ago? Por favor.

  26. dolph said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:02 pm:
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    Sorry about that. Again, hard to remember much about him. I will correct.

    BOB FitzSimmonds

    Thanks.

  27. Brian Murphy said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:03 pm:
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    Big Dog: Bob Marshall

  28. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:20 pm:
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    Big Dog–Clearly you don’t read Colgan’s campaign mail. He said was down in Richmond when others addressed the issue back in 1977. Now the mail doesn’t get into specifics, but according to Colgan others have been sponsoring legislation on the issue since his first term.

  29. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:24 pm:
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    I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would back Fitz. He has accomplished nothing (unless you count token positition given to him for tacking the most signs in highway medians). He has a proven history of outright lying about the candidates he opposes, both of the Republican and Democratic party. What in his career, both private and public, has he accomplished? So he talks a good game on immigration. So what? If the man is not trustworthy, what does it matter WHAT he says? He has the look of the Republicans that spent their way right out of Congress in ‘06; they promised one thing, then got power and did another. It’s easy to claim conservatism, its another thing to stand in the fire and stick to your guns.

  30. Advocator said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:35 pm:
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    Has Colgan ever been to a HSM meeting? He’s been afraid to show up and take a stand on the illegal alien issue until now. At least FitzSimmonds can tell which way the wind blows before Colgan.

    On a separate issue, Colgan is forever trumpeting about all the roads “he” built in PWC. Well, in 1990, it took me on average 35 minutes to get to the Pentagon. Now it takes, again on average, 75 minutes. Thank you, Mr. Colgan, for all the roads “you” built. Please don’t do me anymore favors, unless it’s your retirement.

  31. Bill Scott said on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:44 pm:
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    “Inside Truth”-Yeah FitzSimmonds was sure just claiming conservatism when he successfully worked to get pornography filters installed at public libraries.

    FitzSimmonds was again just claiming conservatism when he helped lead the successful opposition to the creation of a gambling parlor in Manassas Park.

    Same thing when he started three crisis pregnancy centers, started and implemented an abstinence based family life program in two school systems.

    You can probably discount all of that though because he worked as legislative director to those “lefties” Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Lingamfelter though.

    I’ve heard people say they disagree with FitzSimmonds before but you sir are the first to question his conservatism.

  32. Patty said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:01 pm:
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    Clean up in up in 07

    It was me that said that. Since then I had a chance to talk with him and I am more than satisfied with his answers.

    I will vote for Bob Fitzsimmonds.

  33. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:03 pm:
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    I question the authenticity of his conservatism. I don’t for a second believe he is conservative because that is who he is. I believe he exploits issues that are hot button issues and then takes the conservative side of those issues for the purpose of claiming the conservative mantle. I do not believe he takes conservative stands because that is his conviction but rather it is a pathway to gaining power and influence. My opinion is rooted in the fact that he is not trustworthy. I know how he treats his opposition, how he lies about them, and this brings into question who he is. My conservatism is rooted in my faith, which I think he claims as well. So, the moral of the story, I dont trust him or his motives for holding office….at all.

  34. Big Dog said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:22 pm:
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    Anonymous -
    Have looked at a list of bills introduced
    by Bob Marshall and, of course, found HB 1673 in 2007
    (which I support), but nothing prior to that focused
    on illegal immigration. The point is that is
    disingenuous to imply Senator Colgan has not
    acted on this issue while others in elective office were
    storming the barricades. He has and will do more
    than anyone else to serve our community. He always has.
    Do we citizens want to elect Chuck
    Colgan, a great Virginia State Senator, who will remain
    a ranking member of that body with the benefits
    that brings to all of us, or a new individual with
    no experience in elected office who will start out
    at the bottom in Richmond?

  35. Advocator said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:40 pm:
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    Well, Big Dog, I don’t think this area could take any more politicians as “great” as the esteemed Senior Colgan.

  36. PWConservative said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:42 pm:
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    isn’t it funny that the roads Colgan claims credit for were actually funded thru the efforts of Del. Marshall

  37. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:46 pm:
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    Actually, the widening of RT 66 came from money being “found” (over $40 mil) by Mark Warner not long before the election between Mabie and Colgan. It made for a nice photo with Colgan and Warner side by side and traffic in the background.

  38. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:49 pm:
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    Legislative Director?

    Call 139 Memebers offices in the General Assembly and ask for the Legislative Director, they will say WHO? Bob Fitzsimmonds job was a
    Legislative aid, he made coffee and answered phones, not theres anything wrong with that, but it doesn’t qualify him for a damn thing.

  39. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:56 pm:
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    Bob Fitzsimmonds suggested using an electronic verification system, when?
    He was crazy ideas and no clue how to get anything done. The only canidate worse in than Fitzsimmonds is that nut Rishelle.

    The Colgan plan starts with companines doing business with the State however phase two is that every company in Virginia will be required to participate. It is a solution to the problem, not a sound bite.

  40. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:57 pm:
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    Inside Truth,

    Check your facts on the date and participation. Colgan, Marshall and Parrish
    all worked to got credit for the road. Any by the way, I think your timing is
    off.

  41. Brighter Future said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:09 pm:
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    Bob Fitz was a helper,he ran errands and yes made coffee. Ho thought he was in power,but was not.

    He did somethings so he could get on the inside of having the School Syrtem take on his Faith Based Program. This should never have happened.Not that we did not need a Program,but his was the wrong one and he did not deserve to be paid. This is what alot of these so called conservatives do to promote themselves in order to have a stream of money coming in.

    I am conservative but some of these jokers are Far Right,claim they are christians and Faith Based but they are not,they lie out of both sides of their mouths.

  42. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:14 pm:
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    Anonymous:
    You are right about Marshall and Parrish. The announcement was made in August of 2003 (Source: WPost), which was during the campaigning. I am almost positive Colgan sent out a mass mailing with the Warner and Colgan picture (could be wrong)

  43. G Man said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:14 pm:
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    Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 2:03 pm: “I know how he (Fitzsimmonds) treats his opposition, how he lies about them, and this brings into question who he is.”

    I found at the Committee of 100 debate between Fitzsimmonds - Colgan that Bob treated Chuck with much respect, and I did not find any attempt to “lie about him”. Maybe the Rishell, Nichols, and Brown campaigns have brainwashed you into thinking every politician lies.

    It’s time to honor the old war horse for his many years of service, by letting him now rest. My vote is for Bob.

  44. Clean it up in '07 said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:26 pm:
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    Anon 12:54 — “Bob FitzSimmonds however has served as legislative director for five years to General Assembly members”.

    These legislative assistant jobs are for college students and for campaign hacks in between jobs (as anon 2:39 correctly stated..make coffee, answer phones, print out form letter, greet guests). Some members who have businesses back home bring their private secretaries — because they are glorified secretary jobs. These are hardly policy making/pre-GA membership positions. There are a handful of “older” assistants like Fitzsimmonds who hang around there, pretending to be a legislator (in their own minds) and end up being treated as oddities. He’s just been a wannabee for so long he convinces himself he’s some sort of assistant lawmaker or “Senator-in-waiting.” Kind of amusing for alot of folks around the General Assembly Building.

    Patty — “It was me that said that. Since then I had a chance to talk with him and I am more than satisfied with his answers”.

    That was my point. He said one thing early on, then saw the tide going a different way and quickly changed his tune. I think he was going around saying what he meant early on…then his campaign staff got him to say things that the voters want to hear. I REALLY doubt his sincerity on this issue.

    PLEASE folks…don’t give us 4 years of this guy. I promise you’ll regret helping make it happen. I don’t want to come on here in a year when you all are having a tough time getting through to him on ANY matter, and have to tell you..”I told you so.”

  45. Inside Truth said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:27 pm:
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    Well if it did not happen at the Committee of 100 debate then it has never happened (uh oh, my brainwashing must be wearing off….back to the water and electric shock torture)….

  46. PWConservative said on 17 Oct 2007 at 4:31 pm:
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    does anyone know why MJM didn’t call fitzsimmonds for comment

  47. Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 5:20 pm:
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    Why would they call him for a comment? The plan was about
    Electronic Verification. Your taking one part of the plan which is
    at first it will be aimed at business’s doing business with the State and claiming thats the plan. It is not.

    Besides which Bob Fitzsimmonds doesn’t have any plans so a comment would be useless.

    The plan is solid and workable.

  48. Billyboy said on 17 Oct 2007 at 5:29 pm:
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    Patty,

    A Virginia State Senator makes $18,000 a year. My kid works
    at McDonalds and makes more. Fitzsimmonds likely made more for answering the phones and making coffee. I don’t think you can exactly say Chuck Colgan is a carreer politician.

    Check the facts

    http://www.vakids.org/pubs/virginia_state_legislature_faq.pdf

  49. Big Dog said on 17 Oct 2007 at 10:53 pm:
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    Here is your choice -

    1) Va. State Delegate - $17,640 per year - two year term.

    2) Va. State Senator - $18000 per year - four year term.

    3) PWC/Manassas Clerk of the Court - $130,000 per year -
    eight year term. Core skill - get elected and be a
    decent office manager. Good benefits and no
    controversial issues. (And, oh yes, preside over
    marriages on Valentine’s Day).

    So, which one would you select?

  50. Billyboy said on 17 Oct 2007 at 11:15 pm:
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    Patty,

    Is this stunned silence?

  51. Anonymous said on 18 Oct 2007 at 12:05 am:
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    Just FYI-State legislators in VA do not make a lot, but their per diem and benefits takes it closer to a figure in the low to mid 30s annually.

  52. PWConservative said on 18 Oct 2007 at 12:11 am:
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    any idea what “coffee makers” earn yearly?

  53. Lafayette said on 18 Oct 2007 at 6:55 am:
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    Advocator,
    I’ve NEVER seen Chuck at a HSM meeting or a PWCBOS meeting either. I’ve seen Bob, and many others at one or the other if not both. Let’s not forget PWCBOS, is where it ALL got started for Chuck.
    Billyboy,
    You can’t silence Patty! It’s too late, and she’ll more than likely get back to you a later this morning. Stay tuned!
    Please take a look at this. I hope to see you and Chuck both there. I will have the membership form waiting.-lol
    Forum 2: Western District, Stonewall Middle School (Manassas) Friday, November 2nd, 7:30 PM
    Gainesville Supervisor, County Chairman, 13th, 31st and 50th House District, 29th Senate District
    Visit HSM for more facts.
    http://helpsavemanassas.org/index.php
    from, Little Ms. P

  54. Billyboy said on 18 Oct 2007 at 7:48 am:
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    Anonymous said on 18 Oct 2007 at 12:05 am:
    Just FYI-State legislators in VA do not make a lot, but their per diem and benefits takes it closer to a figure in the low to mid 30s annually.

    They also pay for food and lodging from the per diem correct?
    Even if the net was $35,000 it’s still not something anyone is getting rich from doing.

  55. Billyboy said on 18 Oct 2007 at 7:53 am:
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    Lafayette,

    HSM is hostle toward Colgan, all Democrats for that matter.
    I can’t say whether he will come or not. If it was me I would not. Further I don’t think HSM will ever be taken seriously for a legitimate legislative ageneda with Greg at the helm. He is not objective.

    Thats my opinion, I don’t know what Chuck will do.

  56. Lafayette said on 18 Oct 2007 at 8:19 am:
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    Billyboy,
    I’m not hostile towards Chuck, anyone or anything. There are many members of HSM that feel the same way. The are many PWC natives such as myself, and folks that have been here for decades that are very reasonable and responsible in their thinking and actions.
    Now, as for Greg..
    He has done so much to motivate so many(myself included). I think you need to remember we are group of citizens, and there are many that Greg nor anybody else could tell how to vote, etc. He’s the president and spokesperson, but remember the members of HSM are PWC, Manassas City, and Manassas Park residents first and foremost.
    I was taking pictures Tuesday of the non-sense I saw going on behind the McCoart building. A reporter from Telemundo, came over and asked me “Do you belong to an organization?’. I gave her the evil and then replied “I’m a PWC native, born and raise here”. She angrily asked again “Do you belong to an organization? I didn’t ask you were you raised here”. I told her once again “I am a PWC resident, that’s my organization”. The nerve of HER!! I would like to add I was with two other ladies, and we were all three stunned. The lady the procedes to inside and tell ole Ricardo Juarez what had just happened.
    Please have a nice day!~ Little Ms. P

  57. Lafayette said on 18 Oct 2007 at 9:50 am:
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    corr
    EVIL EYE.

  58. Anonymous said on 18 Oct 2007 at 11:17 am:
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    Billyboy, So what you are saying is that in addition to not sponsoring a single bill about illegal immigration, Colgan is also intimidated by meeting hundreds of citizens who are concerned about the issue? Perhaps he can read some more of FitzSimmonds campaign materials though and develop another “cutting edge” idea.

    Maybe I am being too harsh, he is probably very busy working on something important like making Shenandoah the song of the Commonwealth.

  59. Patty said on 18 Oct 2007 at 11:47 am:
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    Billy Boy,

    Colgan owned an airline. I’ve seen him drive around in his fancy car. He has plenty of money.

    To all,

    If you want Jackson Miller to be effective you will need to vote for Bob Fitzsimmonds because I guarantee you that Colgan will vote against everything Miller puts through. You can take that to the bank.

    As far as the Facts that I have posted on the other threads, they are all true because I heard them directly from Chuck Colgan and he said those things in front of a room full of people at the debate.

    If you want to turn and look the other way because of your friendship with Colgan, I feel sorry for you. Don’t get me wrong he is a likeable guy but he is dead wrong about illegal aliens.

    I’ll go through some of what Colgan said:

    Fact 1: He was chasting us (PWC). He said we are all mistaken. He said those gentlemen who hang out at the 7-11 are all legal. According to Colgan they are from El Salvador and are here legally. He said he converses with them on a regular basis. He suggested that we go talk with them. Okay, if they are here legally why do they take off when the police come? How come they don’t go to the Virginia Employment Commission and get a job? How come they don’t go to business establishments and ask for a job?

    Fact 2: He voted against the question that asked whether you are a U.S. citizen on DMV form. He admitted it. He said it was too confusing. What is confusing about a yes or no question? If someone can’t answer a yes or no question they shouldn’t be getting a driver’s license.

    Fact 3: He said he intends to increase the gas tax. Isn’t it wonderful that we live in PWC where we can afford to live but have to commute to Fairfax or D.C. and have a Senator, who should represent our interests, to penalize us because we have to commute. It is bad enough to sit in traffic and he wants us to suffer for it at the pump.

    Fact 4: He put up signs on a vacant house on my street. Two of them. I know someone who he has put signs in their yard when they didn’t request them or ask for them. He did it when they were away on a trip. I think that is terrible. He has been putting up signs at houses that are up for sale especially ones that say se habla espanol. I noticed one of his workers did come and pick up the signs at the vacant house this last weekend. I guess he finally realized people were catching on to this tactic.

    Fact 5: Now he says he is for cracking down on illegal aliens. Well, how come he voted against the House measures cracking down on illegal aliens last year? Now he is saying what measures he will take and they sound very similar to what Bob Fitzsimmonds has been saying all along. So now he is stealing words from Bob Fitzsimmonds. Bob Fitsimmonds wants to implement 287g for the whole state and so does Jackson Miller. How come Colgan hasn’t asked the Governor to implement 287g? He hasn’t and he will not.

    Fact 6: Colgan said out of his own mouth that he wasn’t going to make any promises he can’t keep. He doesn’t give a CRAP about your or my concerns. He just wants to keep his prestige as a state senator. Just look at his vanity plate on his car.

    Fact 7: I have not seen Colgan’s hide anywhere near my neighborhood. He just sends out his campaign personnel. I’ve seen Bob Fitzsimmonds come door to door in my neighborhood.

    I will not be silent. I know you have personal frienships with the man but he has lost touch with what is going on in the very neighborhood that he once lived in.

    If you vote for him everything Jackson Miller will try to accomplish will go down the tubes. By the way I understand Bob Fitzsimmonds has Bob Marshall’s support. If you don’t believe me, call him up. That’s what I do. I find out things and I don’t let personal friendships cloud my vote.

    Everyone who has been on this blog has read about the negative impact of illegal aliens in our county, especially in Chuck’s old neighborhood. To vote for Mr. Colgan is to ignore Mexican’s Without Borders, MS13 and SUR13.

    So I guess you would vote for Colgan and make your neigbors continue to SUFFER from the presence of illegal aliens.

    Shame on you!

    I’m voting for Bob Fitzsimmonds. He supports Jacskon Miller. Colgan DOES NOT support Jackson Miller.

    I’M VOTING FOR BOB FITZSIMMONDS!!!

  60. Big Dog said on 18 Oct 2007 at 4:45 pm:
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    Realize far right folks support FitzSimmonds,
    but he comes across to many moderate conservatives
    as a party hack - out of his league running againist
    a top flight person like Chuck Colgan.

    Neither will ever admit it in public, but Miller is
    doing the same party loyalty dance with FitzSimmons
    as Colgan is doing with Rishell. Smile for the
    cameras then run for the door. Forget the shrink,
    those “marriages” aren’t worth saving.

    Chuck Colgan and Jackson Miller - that is the
    winning team.

  61. Patty said on 18 Oct 2007 at 4:57 pm:
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    Big Dog

    You are so WRONG. I guess you are an illegal alien apologist.

  62. Advocator said on 18 Oct 2007 at 4:58 pm:
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    Big Dog: Bring Chuck to the next HSM meeting to address us and explain his anti illegal invasion plan and I’ll reconsider my decision to vote for Fitz. Otherwise, the “Dump Colgan” sticker stays on my vehicles.

  63. Anonymous said on 18 Oct 2007 at 5:01 pm:
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    Patty,

    You said Colgan was a career politician and only in it for a check. He started an Airline with $1500.00 source the Bar Debate. When he sold his company he had over 1000 employees, whats your problem there.

    You have not seen his hide but you have seen him driving around in his “fancy” car. The House your talking about on the corner of Woodstock and Loudon belongs to Tony B., who went to High School with a Colgan family member. Get over it.

    Good Republican don’t get upset because someone else has worked hard and earned a good living.

  64. Lafayette said on 18 Oct 2007 at 5:30 pm:
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    Anon @5:01
    True enough about who owns the house. You should’ve the last batch of occupants there, and I mean numerous ones and the storm door was propped opened. Now, I’m sure you know what open storm door means, don’t you?
    OSD=Room(s) for rent=FLOP HOUSE.

  65. Big Dog said on 18 Oct 2007 at 7:32 pm:
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    Unfortunate for Fritz and Rishell, but many Manassas
    yards have both Colgan and Miller signs. Citizens
    are smarter than you think. They know the good
    choice - Chuck Colgan and Jackson Miller.

    By the way, saw both of these gentlemen at the
    ground breaking for the Old Town/VRE parking garage
    this morning. They were both acknowledged and
    applauded for their help with the needed project.

    Didn’t see Fritz or Rishell.

  66. - said on 20 Oct 2007 at 9:29 pm:
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    I guess I’m confused…I’ve heard Fitzsimmonds (along with every other politician running for election) say that in order to combat illegal immigration they want to hold employers accountable. However, I never heard Fitzsimmonds talk specifically about the E-verify system that Colgan spoke of this past week in the Journal Messenger. Call me crazy, but the only reason Fitzsimmonds and his followers are saying Colgan stole his idea is because they obviously want to spin the issue in their favor. Can anyone tell me when and where Fitzsimmonds actually spoke of using this E-Verify system???? And frankly, if we’re going to talk about stealing ideas then let’s be real, Fitzsimmonds was not the first one to talk about checks on employers. Actually, Colgan voted 30 years ago to make it illegal for employers to hire illegal immigrants…too bad the government (federal and state) has not enforced the law.

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