Rule Of Law Resolution Implementation Passes Unanimously
By Greg L | 17 October 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 313 Comments
The atrium outside of board chambers at the McCoart Center, photo courtesy of S. Botello
In a truly marathon session of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors that lasted about thirteen hours, the supervisors unanimously voted to fully implement the rule of law resolution, providing additional funding for the police department and restricting eight county programs to lawful residents only that had previously been available for illegal aliens. Mexicans Without Borders is now zero for three in their efforts, and further embarrassed themselves by the way they acted at the McCoart center.
Mexicans Without Borders had about a thousand people show up on their side, and with a few hundred Help Save Manassas members managed to completely overflow the McCoart center. Fire marshalls took control of access to the McCoart center well before the meeting started, and a noisy demonstration outside by the illegal alien lobby went on for several hours. It was largely uneventful outside, although seeing the illegal alien lobby chant “USA” while waving Salvadoran flags was a little strange, and them dragging a large American flag (probably not intentionally, but out of ignorance) on the ground was a little disturbing. I heard about one minor incident outside, but never got the details.
Corey Stewart wanted to limit each speaker at citizen’s time to one minute, but was overruled by the board which kept the time period for each person to a full three minutes. Over three hundred and fifty people signed up to speak. Until about 7:00 PM it was pretty even, but after that most of the regular citizens had left, leaving much of the balance of speakers heavily in favor of the illegal alien lobby. A few citizens watching on Cable Channel 23 from their homes got upset enough to come out to the McCoart center, and with that kind of motivation gave some great statements to the board. As the evening wore on, the crowd of illegal alien advocates in the atrium became increasingly boisterous, loudly booing speakers they didn’t agree with and applauding those they likes not only when they spoke, but when they exited council chambers as well. Fairly frequently this happened inside board chambers, despite constant efforts by Corey Stewart and Marty Nohe to remind spectators what the rules are.
A couple of speakers worth noting was one woman who shouted “Viva La Raza!” at the board, and to top it off at the end of her statement told the board to kiss her ass, sparking a rather strong reaction, particularly from Supervisor John Stirrup. Another native English speaker decided to deliver his comments to the board entirely in Spanish. From the reaction that was plainly heard in the atrium, and even some in chambers, the hispanic community really liked what he had to say. Plenty of speakers required translators, many of whom said that they had been in this country for over a decade. The translators ‘helpfully’ cleaned up some of the intemperate comments (such as those about a “civil war”) made by some speakers who required their assistance.
Some notable speakers on the other side was a young man who was a legal resident who was outraged at the idea of people encouraging illegal aliens, a woman who talked about how her family — including one member who waited five years in a displaced worker camp in Germany after surviving the holocaust came to the United States legally, and several residents who spoke about the issues that they’ve had to deal with as a result of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in their communities. Plenty of speakers thanked Chairman Stewart for send out his recent mailer telling residents about the meeting, and indicated that it made the difference for them in knowing when it would happen.
When citizens’ time finally closed after 2:00 AM, there was some discussion about how the supervisors felt about the issue and the board’s approach to it, and Marty Nohe introduced a resolution that added some educational components to the policy and established a consultation and evaluation program to ensure that it’s implemented effectively and fairly. Mike May made a conciliatory statement, and then surprised most of us by delivering that statement again in Spanish for the benefit of the immigrant community. At that point, the same translator which had been most responsible for diligently “cleaning up” what some speakers had said in Spanish probably realized that Supervisor May had understood everything that happened, and got terribly upset, jumping to her feet and launching into a diatribe. She closed that diatribe expressing her wish that all the supervisors burn in hell before she was ejected from the board chambers. Class act, these Mexicans Without Borders people are.
If we weren’t going to get a unanimous decision before that outburst, we certainly looked like we might get it then. Sure enough, the vote was unanimous in support of Supervisor Nohe’s resolution. Supervisor John Jenkins complained a bit about being strong-armed on this, but apparently gave into the pressure over his concerns that things have moved too quickly, despite that it’s been more than four months since we started talking about this. Mexicans Without Borders then went outside, had their usual meeting with plenty of chants, and with the press that hadn’t left by that point crawling all over the impromptu demonstration and meeting. It was a little more subdued than previous rallies out in front of the building.
The Board then continued on with the agenda, adjourning sometime after 3:00 AM. They really deserve our thanks for suffering through such a long meeting, and in the end it probably was the right thing to do to allow the hundreds of speakers the full three minutes of time to speak, even if that meant that the meeting would go on far longer than anyone would have reasonably imagined. It should lay to rest unfounded criticisms that the board isn’t interested in hearing from county residents, as they sat through twelve hours of citizen’s time that could have been cut down to four hours had time been restricted to one minute for each speaker.
So now Mexicans Without Borders slinks off to lick their wounds, Help Save Manassas retains it’s unbroken record of unanimous decisions favoring its policy positions, and illegal aliens should certainly be getting the message that no one is going to effectively protect their legislative interests. Soon, we’d hope that the immigrant community also begins to understand that what Mexicans Without Borders has been telling them has been false, that they cannot be effective in pursuing any legislative strategies, and that they really don’t deserve any credibility as self-appointed spokesmen for the immigrant community. They’re a complete failure.
They deserve it.
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Greg -
Thank you for that great recap and for hanging in there all night!
THANK YOU to all members of the Board for listening to and hearing the voices of the citizens of this country above those of the illegal aliens!
Thank you members of Help Save Manassas!
Thank God for our Legal Citizens who take our laws seriously. Thank God for Corey Stewart for mailing the Meeting Notice about this vote about to take place. Thank God for our Board of County Supervisors who LISTENED to their VOTERS. Thank God for Help SAVE Manassas, without their help, this issue might have festered for far too long. Thank God for Greg Laticq for sacrificing his time and efforts to champion our cause. Thank God for all the people who emailed, called and rallied to this effort. Thank God I was brave enough to stand up last night and give my spiel. Thank God for people like Ebert who tries to throw a monkey wrench in at the last hour, and it ends up hitting him in his own face. Thank God Pandak has him in her court, because birds of a feather flock together.
Thank GOD for WEDNESDAY!
Line Breaker! AMEN!
We should all write to the Board , this time to thank them one for doing the right thing!
THE POWER OF 8!!! UNANIMOUS YES!!
Thank You, to all that contacted our BOS, and made the voice of legal voting citizens heard!!!
PWCBOS,
Thank you. Youv’e done the RIGHT THING!!! We must continue to lead the nation!!
Greg & HSM members,
Thank you, for all the efforts to help make a change for the better!!
The RULE OF LAW WILL PREVAIL!!!
Thank you to the board and Thank you to Help Save Manassas!
We all have “United” regardless of color and it’s time to rid the area of “ALL ILLEGALS”!
This is disgusting.
It seems everytime the mexicans without borders people “take the stand” in their own defense, it backfires. They prove they have not and do not intend to assimilate, nor appreciate America.
THANK YOU, HSM & BOCS, for your sacrifice for our county & for our nation.
Let the Exodus begin.
By the way, now would be a good time to go to www.helpsavemanassas.org and make a donation to keep the effort going!
Line Breaker,
Let’s give them maps to Maryland! It’s just a short trip over the Pomtomac. Let the storm doors close.
Thank you, thank you one and all.
I am ever so grateful, not only for the efforts of board members, Help Save Manassas, the citizen speakers but also to MWB and their minions for proving that the invasion of our nation is thoroughly and utterly indefensible!!!!!
This is fantastic news! The MJM didn’t do half as good a job at reporting this as you, Greg. Thank you, BOCS, for showing citizens the leadership needed. … Now I wonder when the first lawsuit from some bogus group files against the County …
YES!!! THIS IS HUGE!!
Excellent smithers! Fear not my illegal friends because Manassas Park still welcomes you with open arms. It’s time to start putting the ban hammer down on the park officials now if they don’t fall in line. Get a speeding ticket, jaywalk, spit on the street and can’t prove you are a citizen — get deported. They will leave by themselves and then maybe some decent folk will move back into the area; namely my family who all couldn’t take any more of this nonsense and moved out 2 years ago.
Now would be a great time join HSM, if you haven’t already. Be a part of solution. Please, join us. Look at how much has been accomplished in a short time.
http://helpsavemanassas.org/hsmapp2.pdf
Having read the story in the Post, a number of things are clear to me.
1. The supervisors had already reached consensus before the meeting began yesterday afternoon.
2. The resolution has far less teeth than it originally did, in that emergency care and education are still protected and legal, while Medicare and food stamps were never legal, and the areas where there will be increased enforcement — abuse counseling, in-home healthcare for the elderly and homeless assistance — they’re not sure how much these will be affected anyway. Drug counselling will be cut off.
3.There will be no immigration sweeps or checkpoints.
4. I saw no mention of going after landlords that rent to illegals, causing major overcrowded living conditions.
5. There will be an attempt to crack down on businesses who hire illegal immigrants through the licensing process.
6. They have created a Criminal Alien Unit to work with federal immigration agents.
7. It called for a public educaton program aimed at immigrant and minority communities.
8. It directed the county to couple with a university or consulting group to study the fairness of the resolution.
9. It committed only $325,000 to fund the measure at this point.
I think, all in all, the board of supervisors made an attempt to handle this issue fairly for everyone, but I don’t think this is a win for Help Save Manassas in that this resolution doesn’t seem to do much about overcrowding.
[Ed note: Items 2, 3, 4, and 5 were never in the original resolution.]
Regarding my comment above, it is also clear that the 6-2 vote by the BOCS to overrule Corey Stewart on limiting citizens’ time to 1 minute per person was a way of telling Mr. Stewart that “We’re bending over backwards to be accommodating to you and to be fair to everyone. Since you’ve invited the entire county to the meeting, you need to be fair and listen to what your guests have to say.”
The BOCS should be congratulated, with the exception of John Jenkins who by his own admission was dragged along. (Isn’t it great to have leaders who find it easier to follow than, well, to lead?)
Back on subject. When the distracters try to slam the Prince William BOCS for this effort, please remind them, Greg, that the Supervisors were complying with Virginia law.
Yes, Virginia, in 2005, the following law was passed:
HB 1798 Illegal aliens; eligibility for state and local public benefits.
Public benefits; proof of legal presence. Provides that no person who is not a U.S. citizen or legally present in the United States is eligible for any state or local public benefits. The bill defines state and local public benefits, and sets forth a series of exceptions to this eligibility rule. The bill also requires applicants for state or local assistance to provide proof of legal presence in the United States and establishes a process for temporary receipt of benefits when applicants cannot provide such proof. This bill is identical to SB 1143.
Here was the vote in the House (Albo was actually a “Yes” on this vote):
YEAS–Abbitt, Alexander, Amundson, Armstrong, Athey, BaCote, Barlow, Bell, Black, Bryant, Byron, Callahan, Carrico, Cline, Cole, Cosgrove, Councill, Cox, Dudley, Fralin, Frederick, Gear, Griffith, Hall, Hamilton, Hargrove, Hogan, Howell, A.T., Hugo, Hurt, Ingram, Janis, Joannou, Johnson, Jones, D.C., Jones, S.C., Keister, Kilgore, Landes, Lewis, Lingamfelter, Louderback, Marrs, Marshall, D.W., Marshall, R.G., May, McDonnell, McDougle, McQuigg, Melvin, Miles, Miller, Morgan, Nixon, Nutter, O’Bannon, Oder, Orrock, Parrish, Petersen, Phillips, Pollard, Purkey, Putney, Rapp, Reese, Reid, Rust, Saxman, Scott, E.T., Scott, J.M., Shannon, Sherwood, Shuler, Sickles, Stump, Suit, Tata, Ward, Wardrup, Ware, R.L., Watts, Weatherholtz, Wright, Mr. Speaker–85.
NAYS–Baskerville, Brink, Ebbin, Eisenberg, Hull, Moran, Plum, Van Yahres, Ware, O.–9.
ABSTENTIONS–0.
NOT VOTING–Albo, Dillard, Spruill, Van Landingham, Welch–5.
ABSTENTIONS–0.
The vote in the Senate was unanimous.
So when Mexicans without Borders or any other advocacy group for illegals accuses the County of “not doing its job”, remind them that the County was COMPLYING with the law that the General Assembly PASSED in 2005.
The real question at this hour is if Prince William County thinks following Virginia law is important, what the heck is wrong about Arlington and the rest of this state!?
Please take note that Democrat leader Brain Moran voted “No” on the final passage of this bill. And he wants to be your Governor. Viva law and order.
Thanks for making me aware of HB1798…NOW we will implement it!
On another note, I see more and more arrests of illegals in this area/state…in today’s Journal Messenger, 10 illegals without ID’s were arrested after a accident and turned over to the ICE!
Maureen,
Thanks for staying and making your voice heard!
I think that was “mom” that a point to say “bye Maureen”.
I really that WAS “mom”! What do you think?
Thanks for being there with the few legal eagles that remained until the bitter end this morning.
If anyone has videos from last night, can you post it to you tube and let us know?
GREAT JOB Everyone!!!! Let’s keep the pressure on! Do NOT get complacent.
Make sure to contact Senator Webb and Warner…I heard yesterday that the Dream Act may be coming up any time again!
Anon @ 7:33
“The People’s Republic of Arlington” et al are ALL in DENIAL!!!
I guess it hasn’t landed on their door steps yet. They will change their tune when it does.
The “red carpet” is rolling up. Woo hoo!
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/434494.html
The illegals will be pressing hard for the Dream Act read the article above. Also, contact our Senators about the no funding to Sanctuary Cities. Let’s keep the pressure on!
Why won’t the Federal Government pass a law like HB 1798 that prohibits eligibility for Federal public benefits! Come on America; follow the lead of the Virginia General Assembly (Republican controlled) AND Prince William!!!
Read Peace’s comments above.
From NumbersUSA:
“DREAM Act Amnesty Back on Table?
After the Senate completes action on the CJS spending bill, senators are scheduled to take up the labor, health and human services spending bill (H.R. 3043); this may occur as early as this evening. Some Capitol Hill sources are telling NumbersUSA that open borders senators may offer the DREAM Act amnesty as an amendment to that bill. Although we cannot confirm this, NumbersUSA members are nonetheless encouraged to contact their senators to stave off this possibility.”
ZAPATA has volunteered to lead all his ILLEGAL amigos out of the country…..don’t forget to take your push carts and taco trucks with you, ZAPATA…..
As one man said last night, only in America can you come home, turn on TV and see government in action, take a shower, go to the government center, and be on TV. This country is something special, and it’s worth our effort, our time, our sacrifice, our money, and if need be, our blood to protect it.
There is still plenty of work to be done. Once the Hazleton case is resolved in our favor, the laws that Peace mention above regarding renting to and hiring illegals will have to be passed. If you think last night’s marathon was something, you’all ain’t seen nothing yet. To paraphrase Robert DeNiro in “Scent of a Woman,” we’re just getting warmed up! Stay tuned, stay ready.
I agree with Advocator! We must NEVER get complacent again. We need to keep on top of things. Right now….start contacting your Senators to vote NO on the Dream Act. See my posts above. That is amnesty in disguise.
Advocator/The Patriot
We’ve only just begun!
Do you there will be less illegals at the Coverstone 7-11? Will either of you be able to report on this?
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Do you THINK there…
Lafayette, great speech last night! Where is the Coverstone 7-11? If I drive by it, I will report what I see. The Patriot Patrol is in full operation.
Does anyone think this paints the COP, Deane into a corner to stop not enforcing the law? I still think he needs to go. Without him refusing this order in the first place none of this nonsense would have been going on last night.
Can’t wait to see what his next excuse is for not enforcing the resolution.
Stilll think he needs to go……………………..
The resolution isn’t going to do a thing because it’s not being funded and there isn’t any statement about overcrowding.
The Patriot,
It’s behind the Pizza Hut on 234. It’s Coverstone Rd. Also, know as Williamson Blvd on the other side of 234. Near the Raceway.
Thank you very much.
Now we need to make Deane enforce the resolution!
Peace said on 17 Oct 2007 at 7:21 am:
“Having read the story in the Post, a number of things are clear to me…….”
“I think, all in all, the board of supervisors made an attempt to handle this issue fairly for everyone, but I don’t think this is a win for Help Save Manassas in that this resolution doesn’t seem to do much about overcrowding.”
You’re wrong Peace…this is very much a win for HSM. Every item that you noted (9 items) in the remainder of your above comment is PRECISELY what Help Save Manassas has been trying to explain to you and the rest of the community all along. Why do you think that the resolution was nick-named the “Rule of Law Resolution?”
That you, and so many of our local citizens and legal immigrants, have misconstrued this is because the illegal alien community and their apologists have intentionally portrayed this resolution as a racist, evil attempt to run all immigrants out of Prince William County…when this couldn’t be further from the truth. The purpose of this resolution was to firmly establish, and provide the proper tools, to enforce the State and Federal laws with regard to illegal aliens to the extent to which local governments have enforcement rights. That you and so many of your compatriots have bought into that disinformation circulated by the media and the well-financed illegal alien lobby should truly give you pause.
I believe the guy who said this at the meeting was the owner of the construction company that hires illegals. Only in American can admitted law breakers speak in public and not fear the law.
Don’t forget, Woodbridge Supervisor Candidate Chris Royse is hosting a press conference this evening at 6 p.m. in the Leesylvania Room at the Ferlazzo building. He will be commenting on the historic immigration resolution passage by the BOCS and his plans to strengthen the resolution within his first 100 days if elected. Light refreshements will be served.
Directions: http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=010011001170001675#2
“The resolution isn’t going to do a thing because it’s not being funded and there isn’t any statement about overcrowding.”
Cheer up Depressed…that was the purpose of the exercise in Democracy yesterday, and the subsequent vote in the wee hours this morning. The resolution itself had already passed…this last unanimous vote provided funding and actually implemented the resolution.
wtop has a very poor article on this issue on their front page. I wrote an email to the author
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To Hank Silverberg
Re: PW Co. Enacts immigration measures.
Mr. Silverberg,
I just read your article on the subject above and I am very dissapointed. Your article lacked substance and meaningful information. It really wasnt 12-hours of debate, it was 12-hours of time for citizens and illegal immigrants to speak. How much of that 12-hours did you listen to?
I listened to about 2-hours and I was appalled at many statements made by the pro-illegal speakers. Did you hear one called one county supervisor ‘Osama?’ Did you notice how rude many of the pro-illegal speakers were?
I dont live in that area and I just listened in out of curiousity, but when reading your article this morning, I could help but think that you are either biased or you really didnt pay attention to what happened yesterday.
Shouldnt be county board at least be commended for allowing 12 hours of comments from people, including those that are not citizens? I’d say they did give people a very fair shake to express their opinions and those against this bill proved themselves to be racist and disrespectful.
Please just reply with your justification for your short and substance lacking article. If you didnt get to listen to any of the 12-hours of speaking I can partly understand, but its still dissapointing.
Regards,
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I am very thankful that the resolution passed! Thank you to everyone who took the time to speak at the meeting, call and write to the PW Supervisors to encourage them to pass this resolution. The one item that we all need to remember is that the effectiveness of this resolution lies in the hands of those that are in positions to enforce it. Let’s hope that they do their jobs.
What we need to have now are regular status reports on progress being made at each BOCS meeting. This will hold everyone accountable.
Peace on 17 Oct 2007 at 7:32 am:
And listen he did.
Peace,
I think you are very confused.
1. Four supervisors went on record prior to last night’s meeting as supporting the resolution. Four would not commit. It’s impossible to say that there was a consensus.
2. The resolution never tried to cut off education or emergency medical care. Federal law mandates that these two things must be provided. There was never anything in the resolution that proposed to violate federal law.
3. Correct, there will be no immigration sweeps or checkpoints. This was never proposed.
4. Jay O’Brien has introduced legislation in the General Assembly that will rewrite the state’s residential overcrowding laws. The proposed legislation will limit the number of adults that can live in a home based on square footage (of bedroom space, I believe, not total square footage). This will prevent creating additional bedrooms by dividing existing bedrooms because the square footage would remain the same. It also does allow exemption by relationship, so people cannot make up relationships and keep illegal boarders. There will be no limit on the number of children in a home. The current law is unenforcable, as Manassas found out. This law, if passed, will correct that. The resolution never attempted to address overcrowding.
5. Again, Jay O’Brien has introduced legislation that, if passed, will yank the business license of any business that is convicted of hiring illegal aliens. Like #4, this is something that needs to be addressed at the state level, not county level.
6. A criminal alien unit that works with federal agents is an excellent idea. The only way to fight illegal immigration is with coopertion between local, state, and federal government.
7. I am not familiar with the PWC education program for illegals. What will they be teaching?
8. It is well and good that the fairness of the resolution will be evaluated at the university, since the PWC Human Rights Commission failed to do this task when it was assigned to them. We want the resolution, and we want it to be carried out in a fair and lawful manner.
9. The funding is light, only about 1/10 of what the cost is estimated to be. But they did immediate commit funds, so it can be implemented as soon as possible. Other funds can be allocated later, and perhaps can come from the savings derived by cutting off non-essential services to illegals.
Thank you to everyone. I and my family appreciate your efforts.
Thank you Board of County Supervisors! You really did listen to your consituents. You did a brave thing and we are behind you 100%.
Thank you, Greg, Chris and all those who live in Westgate, Sudley and the Gainesville district.
Thank you, to all of you in the other districts that joined us.
You all are heroes!
Depressed,
The vote was for funding and implementation. The vote was unanimous.
I think the biggest win for Help Save Manassas is the fact that the resolution was passed unanamously! This was done despite the court challenge, and clearly indicates that the PWCBOS is committed to the resolution and is willing to fight the legal challenge. That is a HUGE win!
I want to correct my earlier post at 9:09, 4. Does NOT allow exemption by relationship
By the way, I’ve always thought that those who make their off color and mean comments in Spanish should be careful because there are some (more than they realize) who understand Spanish.
Mexicans Without Borders again showed their true colors. ICE should come and take them all away.
Nancy Lyall, shame on you. You are the one who tried to make this a race issue. You should change your name to Nancy Liar. The name would fit you better.
Ms. Liberty had her 3 minutes of fame. What a fruitcake! I’m surprised MWOB didn’t have Uncle Sam there in his “I WANT YOU” pose at her side. Halloween came early this year!
Nancy Lyall (Liar)
Shame on you for taking money from these people, promising that if they work hard they can stay. I hope they realize that you are just scamming them for money.
Many thanks to all of the members of the BOCS! They can go home confident that they put aside special interests and acted on our behalf.
Many of us, including myself, became cynical about all of this. However, I am so happy that those concerns were unfounded!
Thank you again BOCS, especially Corey and John who were the drivers behind the resolutions and the Supervisors who took the biggest risks on our behalf.
You should all remember, however, that there is still a lot more work to do to reclaim our nation and communities. The crackpots, corporate interests who benefit from cheap illegal labor, and others who would steal our freedom will now be coming out in droves to file frivolous law suits, intimidate our BOCS and other County officials, and do whatever else they think might impede our defending our nation and communities. Supervisors and citizens – keep your resolve!
I must express my admiration for Greg and all of the fine work he has done. He kept the citizens informed. If we did not have BVBL and had to rely on the MJM, Potomac News, Washington Post, etc. we would have been in the dark as to what was going on in our community.
At the end of another very long meeting in 1787, the Constitutional Convention, someone asked Ben Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” Franklin responded, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Those who respect the rule of law, and who want to maintain the sovereignty and integrity of the United States showed that they want to keep the government bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers. With an informed citizenry, activists motivated to take up the cause, and elected officials who act according to the will of the people, WE WILL KEEP IT!
It was over before it started. The Post said that Marty Nohe wrote the resolution that actually passed. He has a history of brokering decisions that all of the BOCS can live with. The Citizen’s time was just for show (and what a show it was… I hung in there ’til midnight on-line).
A solution where everyone wins a bit is good Government. I think all parties (HSM, the BOCS, even MWB) won a bit last night. Now I hope the divisiveness can end and honest dialog can begin.
The county is fractured. A lot of legal residents who happen to be brown or Latino were caught in the crossfire. Now, we will see if Corey Steward has the leadership skills to bring the County back together again. If he can do that, he deserves another term as Chairman, BOCS (and perhaps more).
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Thank you to Mr. Stirrip, Mr. Stewart, Greg, HSM, The rest of the Board of County Supervisors, and all those citizens who spoke last night!! ~It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood!!! ~
I was there for 6 hours listening to what was said - and what struck me was that most of the pro-illegals all had their talking points, and really don’t know the truth about the resolution and what it means.
Those that don’t understand English would only know what MWB is telling them. I think Mr. Jaurez (whatever)
is only into self-promotion, and should now climb back into the hole he crawled out of.
Maureen - sorry I missed you - what time did you finally get to speak?
Well, I must eat my words regarding Maureen Caddigan. I am so glad that she supported the funding as well as the other members of the BOCS. I was getting so depressed feeling that we the citizens had no real representation anymore. I am so glad to know that I was wrong. Greg, outstanding job! Actually amazing, it is hard to find people who step up to the bat and hit a homerun. You did it, you led us and inspired us and you succeeded. I do feel though that only “citizens” should be allowed to speak at “Citizen’s time”. However, this just made the problem very clear. I couldn’t believe the arrogance of so many of the people. I think Mike May speaking in Spanish at the end was masterful. Actually quite funny. Way to go Mike! I really feel hope that we can win our country back. It also shows that there has to be a way that employers can get legal workers if they need them. Probably from the embassy’s in their native countries. Of course they can’t pay them slave wages, so maybe it will always be a problem. I am not sure how to solve this, but someone like Greg will rise up with an answer.
Congratulations Prince William County citizens.
Your grass roots effort in organizing Help Save Manassas has made a difference. Kind of restores my faith in democracy. Thanks to Greg for his organizational and educational skills. Supervisors in Loudoun and Culpeper counties have something to use as a model to solve their illegal alien issues.
It also seems that even Gerry Connelly is changing his stripes one month prior to the elections. This man loves to pander to the voters. This is the same politician who said “it’s the right thing to do” in funding the Herndon Day labor (Day Care) Site for more than two years and wanted to build more to help the county day laborers. The ComPost is reporting that Fairfax County is looking at Fairfax county funding to illegal aliens.
For any Federal officials reading this blog, you might want to consider what happens when the public organizes around a cause. Note to DHS and ICE—WE expect you to enforce the law. Get it done.
We have less than one month before we vote on our local and state representatives. Let’s take all of that grass roots energy and get out the vote out for the candidates who support enforcement of our immigration laws. Talk to your neighbors. Offer rides to those who need help getting to the polls. Phone your friends and encourage them to VOTE.
Thanks to everyone that took the time to go down and speak. Those of us that did not or could are grateful. Lots more work to do though, and lets keep it up. Together we can make PW the great place to live that it should be for everyone.
Bruce Springsteen’s MY HOMETOWN
“I was eight years old and running with a dime in my hand
Into the bus stop to pick up a paper for my old man
I’d sit on his lap in that big old Buick and steer as we drove through town
He’d tousle my hair and say son take a good look around this is your hometown
This is your hometown
This is your hometown
This is your hometown
In ‘65 tension was running high at my high school
There was a lot of fights between the black and white
There was nothing you could do
Two cars at a light on a Saturday night in the back seat there was a gun
Words were passed in a shotgun blast
Troubled times had come to my hometown
My hometown
My hometown
My hometown
Now Main Street’s whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain’t nobody wants to come down here no more
They’re closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain’t coming back to your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown
Last night me and Kate we laid in bed
talking about getting out
Packing up our bags maybe heading south
I’m thirty-five we got a boy of our own now
Last night I sat him up behind the wheel and said son take a good look around
This is your hometown”
Who is going to make sure only “legal” residents vote?
“retiredwildgoose said on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:51 am:
The county is fractured. A lot of legal residents who happen to be brown or Latino were caught in the crossfire.”
This is ridiculous! Why? I did not see anyone last night of hispanic/latino heritage speak out against illegal aliens and that what they are doing is wrong. Why did they not speak out like the legal hispanics/latinos in the “You Don’t Speak for Me organization”?!? This speaks volumes! Could it be that those that attended last night are “aiding and abetting” (which means that they are part of the problem)? What I did see was a legal lady of Indonesian heritage, a legal man of Indian heritage, a legal lady of Iranian heritage demonstrate how they did things the right and legal way and as such enjoy the privileges of that behavior! Additionally, they demonstrated their love for this country by learning our traditions, values, and language and embracing these things as true Americans!
“what struck me was that most of the pro-illegals all had their talking points, and really don’t know the truth about the resolution and what it means. ”
That’s great. That’s why they’re leaving PWC. Three cheers for Riacrdo Juarez and every activist who makes them think the resolution is some type of real threat to their lawless existence.
Patty, 9:17AM said:
“Nancy Lyall, shame on you. You are the one who tried to make this a race issue. You should change your name to Nancy Liar. The name would fit you better.”
Absolutely agree Patty, but she is certainly not the only one who tried to make it a racial issue. Ms Leila simply could not understand that “the issue” was “The Rule of Law,” not a “racial issue” at all.
Furthermore, for those who witnessed the meeting yesterday, based upon speech or conduct, if one side of the argument (pro-illegals or anti-illegals) were to be generally categorized as more oriented toward hatred and discrimination based upon race (I guess that’s what “racist” means) which side would best fit that description?
If the MWB crowd really wanted the hispanics informed, they would have their translator translate the English speakers into Spanish for them (accurately of course). This one-sidedness is what keeps their rank & file under their control, buying their spin.
Greg said: “The translators ‘helpfully’ cleaned up some of the intemperate comments (such as those about a “civil war”) made by some speakers who required their assistance.”
So do I understand correctly that an illegal threatened THEY declare a “civil war”?
Actually, I have been expecting this for a long time. I do not look forward to a time when THEY resort to violence. That said, I think we must all be ready to protect our homes and families.
K. O’Toole, you are presuming that most of the Hispanics present couldn’t understand the English just because they asked for translation for their own words. Lots of people can understand speech in a language other than their own but are too nervous or uncomfortable to speak it, especially in public.
Anonymous, it goes both ways…. apparently Hispanics presume that all Americans can’t speak or understand Spanish. The traslator “cleaned” up several comments “thinking” that she wouldn’t get called on it. Supervisor May cleared up the misconception that American ONLY speak and understand English. THANK YOU Supervisor May.
Anonymous, why presume most CAN? Obviously, after watching the pro-illegals speak, they REALLY DO NOT understand how we do things here OR what the resolution REALLY does, and continued the talking points/spin which were spoon fed them by Lyall, et al.
Hey Juarez, Lyall, Steinbach…..so much for the pitiful FAILURE of your much touted “massive march”, lame boycott, and ineffective work stoppage. YOU HAVE NO SHAME. PW BOCS…..THANK YOU for remaining steadfast and supporting the resolution UNANIMOUSLY! It was a LONG night and you conducted yourselves with dignity and fairness. Some of the detestable things that were said by the pro-illegal speakers were quite shameful and racist, yet you didn’t flinch. YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Austin,
Agreed. Much of the “civil war” will probably be witnessed over the next months and predominately conducted by the gangs. I expect to see more tagging incidences and violence directed towards the community. And the MWB group will state that it’s all our fault. MWB will insist that our racist hatred has given them no choice.
Hopefully, we will also see an increase in truck rentals, one-way.
If I might add, a unanimous decision by the Board really sent a blinding ray of hope to many communities around the nation. This may small “snowball” but it’s quickly turning into an avalanche.
4kidsnadog, I never doubted it goes both ways. The translator was behaving unethically if she did that. Although it was just her doing that presuming, not Hispanics in general as you suggest.
Corr:
This may be a small “snowball”…..
Stayed up too late last night.
retiredwildgoose on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:51 am:
They put themselves in the cross-fire. How many of them did you hear stand up against illegal immigration? None, NADA, zip. They will stand for their own no matter if they are right or wrong. La Raza! That’s what drives them.
Be vigilant and on guard when out and about. Pro-illegal alien kooks like MWB brethren may be up to no good. As for me, I’m packing heat everywhere I go. Yes, Mike, we must protect our families and homes.
Patriot brings up an important point about who is overseeing voting registration. I guess that is another topic for another day though.
There was a very articulate young man from Jamaica there last night who spoke directly to the hispanic community, from the podium. He said he had come here illegally, went home and came back the right way. He basically said once he did that, he was no longer looking over his shoulder at every turn. He was very impressive.
THANK YOU HSM !!!! AND THANKS TO ALL THE MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS.
THIS WAS A BIG WIN AND A FORWARD MOVEMENT.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY A GOOD START FOR A NEW BEGINNING IN WOODBRIDGE. NOV.6 WE WILL HAVE CHRIS ROYSE AND HE WILL I AM SURE PUT FORTH A CHANGE IN ORDINACES THAT HELPS THE POLICE AND PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT TO CLEAN UP THE MESSES IN OUR STREETS AND HOUSES.
iT’S NOT OVER BUT YOU HAVE MADE IT COME A LONG WAY AND NOW WE ALL NEED TO FOLLOW THROUGH FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. GREAT JOB.
retiredwildgoose on 17 Oct 2007 at 9:51 am &
The Patriot said on 17 Oct 2007 at 10:40 am
There were several self-identified Latinos that spoke in favor of the resolution. Mainly ones who legally immigrated and recognized how the illegals were line-jumping and laws need to be respected. But one that stood out was a Jamaican who spoke at about 12:30AM. He spoke more to the audience than the board. He had come to the country illegally and was being taken advantage of by the low wages he was making working for a florist. So he went back to Jamaica and went about becoming legal. He then returned and found things much better - no fear, well received, etc. He was great as he could speak from both perspectives - as an illegal and as a legal citizen. He was quite good and chastised the illegals to go back and do it the right way.
Great Job!!! Now who that illegal aliens are being “kicked out” of our Manassas, maybe now we have more quiet streets, cleaner neighborhoods and the crime rate will go down. Exellent job to all of you!! But now, who is going to do the job they used to do? Who is going to get a job for less than 6 bucks an hour? Who will accept to work without any benefits? are you “legal aliens” going to do it? Will you be able to support yourself with a salary of less than $10,000.00 per year? I guess we all have to put our part to make this town great! I am a legal immigrant and I came from a hispanic/latino background, Am I going to get stopped just because I look like one? this is insane!!
Wow!
This site is like hopping in the ‘Way-Back’ machine. It’s like a time-capsule of all that was wrong with American South in the 1950s. I haven’t seen such a clear case for liebensraum since 1933. This is a fantastically impressive group. I’ve yet to see such uninhibited race-bating in my entire life.
I wonder madly at a group that hides so cleverly behind ‘Law and Order’ — as if that is the real reason for the outrage. If laws were passed tomorrow making illegal immigrants legal, you’d go right on hating them and their ‘push carts and taco trucks’ — as somebody so elegantly put it.
So yes, let’s round them up, make them show us their papers; and if they can’t produce them, we will detain, ghettoize, and possibly put them to work in some sort of labour camp.
One question, tho: is this going to be targeted exclusively at persons of brown skin with surnames similar to Sanchez? Because if it’s not, I’d love to hear how you plan on getting around the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. How many Canadians walk around with expired visas? How do they plan on catching them? They’re just as problematic, I’d think… as long as you really are about ‘Law and Order’ and not about hating any particular race. Will this enforcement extend to checking the ‘paperwork’ of white people? I certainly hope so. I hope the cops knock on your doors at 3AM and ask you to produce paperwork for yourselves, your wives, and your children.
It’s a pity there are all kinds of civil rights laws that prevent your desires from really taking hold. And those laws are the reason I love my country.
God Bless America
Somebody,
Businesses will have to start paying higher wages for the legal workers (or go out of business…period). If you are legal (and not aiding and abetting those who are illegal)…you have nothing to worry about.
I will be more than happy to carry around my legal documentation! I do all the time.
Hey northerner….are you perhaps from NY?
To all the legal latino / hispanic readers, I’d like to say that the sooner you join this effort and help Manassas / PWC residents take care of this situation, the sooner you will feel like you are not being swept up in this feeling that all latino’s are looked upon as “illegals”. I have some friends and neighbors who have told me that they feel terrible when shopping, etc., when ‘looked at’ like they don’t belong here. These are good neighbors, and good peolpe!
We welcome all those who are here legally and obey the laws of the land.
Please, attend the next HSM meeting and become part of the solution.
Disguised Racism?
going once
going twice
SOLD!
Somebody,
I must stress that things that need to get done have a way of getting done. Maybe the number of house cleaning services will go from 700,000 to less than 100,000. Maybe construction business will not be able to make an 80% margin on their construction costs. If it is truly important, it will get done, one way or another. The notion that the local economy will collapse if illegal immigrants leave is really placing far too much importance their “contribution.” Maybe businesses that cater to illegals will go under. Maybe that won’t mean the end the world as we know it! Maybe property values will increase, maybe PWC will get more real tax base. We’ll get by just fine, thank you. And if we’re wrong, it’ll be our problem, the legitimate citizens.
As for you getting stopped because of the way you look, that’s not how this is going to work. If you get stopped because you were doing something else wrong…..well, that’s another matter. Think of what those of middle eastern descent have had to put up with. Life goes on….suck it up. Many of us that represent the real tax base of this county are so sick of political correctness that we’d kill it with our bare hands if we could.
somebody at 1:48 pm:
“But now, who is going to do the job they used to do? Who is going to get a job for less than 6 bucks an hour? Who will accept to work without any benefits? are you “legal aliens” going to do it? Will you be able to support yourself with a salary of less than $10,000.00 per year?:But now, who is going to do the job they used to do? Who is going to get a job for less than 6 bucks an hour? Who will accept to work without any benefits? are you “legal aliens” going to do it? Will you be able to support yourself with a salary of less than $10,000.00 per year? ”
The legal US teenagers and college kids.
@ Northerner
“So yes, let’s round them up, make them show us their papers; and if they can’t produce them, we will detain, ghettoize, and possibly put them to work in some sort of labour camp. ”
HAHAHAHA!!!
Isn’t that what you Yanks and Libs are doing to them now? LOL!!!! You’re mad because your supply of cheap labor is drying up… or God forbid!!! MOVING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!! Freakin lying hypocrits the lot of you.
It’s HORRIBLE that legal Hispanics may feel persecuted. The brunt of those feelings lie on the back of dimwits like Northerner that make this a race issue.
Many people here talk about obeying the laws of the land, to assimilate this culture and to become part of it. But let me ask you something? Do you guys remember what this country was based from? IMMIGRANTS!!! Who came in a boat and almost died here!! If it wasn’t for the REAL Americans who were compassionate and kind enough to offer shelter, food and tend to their wounds, they would’ve died and there wouldn’t be a country and you wouldn’t exist. You’d still be in England, rejected from society and isolated. And I also ask, where are the REAL Americans, the rightful owners of this land? Where are they? They were put aside and robbed from their land!! And you talk about assimilation??? Please!!!
http://www.examiner.com/a-993777~Fairfax_to_count_illegal_immigrants_and_identify_county_services_they_use.html?cid=rel-v1
I’m not sure that link comes out ok, but I happened across this article…I find it interesting that the Fairfax County Executive would want to count the illegal aliens living in Fairfax and then tally the services provided to them…all the while not disclosing this important and extremely relevant information to the public. Makes you say, hmmmmmmmmmm
I vote to ignore, really ignore those that use the following two words (in any form): 1. Racist, and 2. Xenophobic.
Those cards are extremely tired!!
@ ManexicoResident
Calling us racists and rubes didn’t work so now they’re scrambling because they don’t want their help moving into their neighborhoods.
There’s going to be a mass self-deportation from PWC and the sanctuary cities know it.
redawn, actually the legal US teenagers and college kids aren’t, at least not in this area and not in the numbers required. There aren’t even sufficient available for the relative cushiness of a life guard position temporaily in summer in this area.
The wages will go up and correct itself, WHEN the illegals leave. Much as I hate to say it, some of the illegals were taken advantage of/exploited however they brought it on themselves. Also, no one can make it on $10,000 a year UNLESS you live 20 deep in a house like the illegals did so this is another reason we need to rid the area of them.
I carry my ID around at all times and if the Police stop me, I have SUFFICIENT proof to show that I am legal and MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER MATCHES MY RECORDS and is not stolen. If the Police stop me and I have no idea, I can use MY SSN, illegals can’t do this since the SSN’s they have are stolen.
Believe me, once the illegals leave, the market will correct itself. Now, we all will see more towns/cities in Virginia and other states follow the PWC blueprint to rid it’s area of illegals which is even better!
Maybe when all of the illegals are gone then our kids will step up to the plate. It wouldn’t be the first time. And besides, the lawns will be cut, the homes will be cleaned, the burgers will be flipped, the french fries will be fried. And, if not, who cares!
So we might have to pay a little more for landscaping, cleaning and painting. We’ll just have to learn to deal with it.
As far as losing all of the low wage workers, you’re assuming that all the hispanics were illegal and will be leaving. There are many legal hispanics here who will want to work hard and they’ll take the jobs.
It will all even out in the end.
Im in college. and i refuse to get paid 6.50 an hour.
maybe you can take the jobs=)
I don’t think ALL the illegals will be gone. I think we will make a big dent in the criminal element of the illegal population. Chief Deane stated this fact again last night.
As for Ms. Redawn’s statement about teenagers and college kids, I agree. It is often difficult for kids that age to get the minimum wage jobs. Why would an employer want to have to work around such rascally things as scheduling for school attendance when he/she could just pull someone in from the illegal population who would work slave hours?
I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve always mowed my own yard and cleaned my own house… and I despise fast-food.
I can’t think of one way in which I’ve benefited from illegal labor.
collegekid,
You are so right. You should not be paid $6.50. You should be cutting your parent’s lawn, pitching in with cleaning house, and helping them paint and do repairs at no charge. Look at all they do for you.
Collegekid, not everyone has a life of privilege. Some students will take any kind of work they can get and they are grateful for the opportunity.
Pride goeth before a fall.
I made this a race issue? Maybe my dear friend ‘Mano’ failed to read the comments of comrades such as ‘go home, and take your taco trucks with you. There has been no mention of illegal canadians, and the requisit and hateful ‘go home, and take your delicious maple syrup with you’ — and I find that conspicuous. Mabye you don’t. I guess you’re ‘colourblind’ that way. My warm congratulations on not seeing this as a ‘race’ issue, because there’s all kinds of talk on this thread and many others on this site that indicate otherwise. One race has been singled out here. I didn’t do that. I merely commented on it. But somehow that makes me the liar and hypocrite. Fascinating…..
I might find myself saddened by this all, but the reason I find all of this so unconcerning is that similar, milder laws have been defeated in other parts of the country (e.g. Dallas). Immigration laws are not local domain. They are federal. Period. This is a settled issue. Go ahead and pump your fists and sing ‘We’re not gonna take it,’ but it’ll be nothing but pageantry.
To be perfectly honest, the only reason I read this stuff is the same reason I glance (occasionally) at Foxnews: I find it intensly amusing. But at the end of the day, be sure that these ordinances are letting legal and illegal immigrants know that they’re not wanted or welcome in PWC. In the intermediate and long run, I don’t see these laws and attitudes hurting anybody but PWC.
But don’t let me interrupt. I’m really enjoying the posts.
“Im in college. and i refuse to get paid 6.50 an hour.
maybe you can take the jobs=) ”
Awww crap… there goes the dollar menu. I think we’re fat enough. Probably wouldn’t be such a bad thing to see 99 cent artery cloggers go by the wayside.
i am with you Northerner.
justice 1:10 - “I’ll be packing heat wherever I go. We must be able to defend our families.” That kind of climate of fear is what this kind of action breeds. Does it make you happy, justice? Why do you feel threatened? Is there some distinguishing mark that says that you’re one of Help Sink Manassas? Things should be getting real peaceful now, shouldn’t they?
redawn - Surely you jest. American teenagers pulling weeds, cleaning motel rooms, washing dishes in restaurants, not to mention agricultural stoop labor! Their parents wouldn’t allow it. The kids might be considered losers!
As someone else said, there were a lot of imported life guards around this summer, because the American kids wouldn’t apply.
“Anonymous said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:02 pm:
redawn, actually the legal US teenagers and college kids aren’t, at least not in this area and not in the numbers required. There aren’t even sufficient available for the relative cushiness of a life guard position temporaily in summer in this area”
So are you saying that there is such a multitude of ILLEGALS in PWC? If I am hearing you correctly, that is what we have been trying to say…We have a HUGE problem with ILLGEALS here.
Time will tell.
Glad we’re amussing to you, oh conceitful one… but
“There has been no mention of illegal canadians, and the requisit and hateful ‘go home, and take your delicious maple syrup with you’ — and I find that conspicuous.”
I personally have pledged equal detest of Illegal Canadiens if they so choose to shack up 20 to a house in my neighborhood and leech off my tax dollars. No search function on this site that I’m aware of, so I won’t hold that against you.
Your tired arguments and conceitedness have been heard time and time again by countless anonymous’s, anon’s, and the occasional Howie Feltersnatch. Believe me, we are not amazed by your glorious appearence or knack for diatribe. Do us a favor and grace another forum with your greatness.
By the way.
i pay every single dollar
that goes to my college.
Not like the “privileged kids”.
not my PARENTS or my GRANDPARENTS.
ONLY ME
okay, so we have to suck it up.
maybe you can quit your 9 to 5
and start working at Wendys
Northerner
Re: Canadians walking around with unexpired Visas comment:
Have you done research to compare the estimated # of illegal Canadians to Latino/Hispanics #’s? If so, I would like to see this documentation. Legal citizens have become alarmingly concerned because the # of hispanics entering illegally has become so enormous, and their decision to do so is placing a financial strain on the school and healthcare systems. I would imagine that more U.S. hospitals are seeing a higher # of Latino/Hispanic babies being born compared to the # of Candadian babies being born.
Re: are they going to be rounded up and put in some sort of labor camp; how about sending them off to Iraq? I wonder how many would be willing to agree to that instead of being deported?
Northerner said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:22 pm:
One race has been singled out here. I didn’t do that.
No, you didn’t. They did it themselves by coming over the boarder in droves and a good number of them ending up in Northern Va. There have been Hispanic illegals in this area for years but during the past 2-3 years it has been an invasion that is hard to miss. 10-15 people living in a single 1700 sf house, 8 cars parked on the street and the lawns, pack standing at the 7-11’s and on stree corners. Gang activity escelating and neighborhoods being trashed. They had it good until they decided to move all of Mexico and Central America into this area. Sorry!
Krutis at 3:29 pm:
I am a mother of 2 teenagers and have no problem with them earning a dollar the good ole American way thru HARD work and EARNING respect in the work force to keep climbing up the ladder.
They have to start small, crawl before you walk. It is a lesson to
be learned called appreciation. I can’t speak for parents who would think otherwise and consider their kids loosers.
Once the illegal aliens leave , property values WILL go UP. There will be less trash in the neighborhoods, no parking of vehicles on front lawns, no overcrowding, less crime. Northerner and Somebody2: you are spineless bleeding heart illegal alien lovers…..cry, complain, spit out your usual racist, bigoted rhetoric….you just can’t stand it when the rule of law is applied because in your little worlds there is no law….its all grey, just like your tiny little minds.
“collegekid said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:36 pm:
By the way.
i pay every single dollar
that goes to my college.
Not like the “privileged kids”.
not my PARENTS or my GRANDPARENTS.
ONLY ME”
CONGRATULATIONS to you for doing it on your own. That is a wonderful thing and you will be greatful and learn so much from that to appreciate things in life- not take things for granted.
“okay, so we have to suck it up.
maybe you can quit your 9 to 5
and start working at Wendys”
What exactly are you learning in college to say this?
Collegekid:
Both of my daughters worked as lifeguards during their college summers. One met her husband who was also a lifeguard at the time. They made around $8 per hour and got as much time and a half overtime as they wanted. Granted, both have full ride tuitions because of their academic and athlete abilities, but yet, they got off their butts and went to work.
Maybe you think too much of yourself.
Woah, Brother Justice,
I never called you names. Why are you so full of hatred? I never said anything bigoted or racist, and never said I can’t stand the rule of law being applied, and you have no indication that my brain is any particular size or colour. I, in fact, currently posses a spine, my heart bleeds, but only in the function of pumping blood, as any normal human heart should.
Is there anything else you’d care to misrepresent?
If this is the extent of your logical argument, I think you should let some of your more informed friends speak.
some of you have a high ego, redawn do you always have an answer for everything? If you are a well educated person, how come are you on this blog all day?
Krutis, you just don’t get it. The “climate of fear” as you state, has been brought on by the MS-13 gangs , mothers and daughters walking into Wla-Mart , 7-11, malls, and on and on, that get heckled, insulted, and propositioned by hispanic men , going for a walk at nite and a car load of hispanics yelling “muerte a los gringos”. Yes, thanks to HSM and a board of supervisors that had the guts to uphold the law, things will get peaceful in our county. Why don’t you go and take you valium and cower under a table, close your eyes and hope that things get better for you.
Good for you, redawn! I only wish there were “respect in the work force” for all the different jobs our (il)legal Latinos do. As for “climbing up the ladder”. Most of their ladders have no rungs.
justice - you’re certainly full of venom!
What was wrong with the woman that fell out of a ?four? story window, then fell off of a 40 foot ladder? I don’t think she was very smart if she let this happen to her twice.
Keokuk said on 17 Oct 2007 at 3:46 pm:
Collegekid:
Both of my daughters worked as lifeguards during their college summers. One met her husband who was also a lifeguard at the time. They made around $8 per hour and got as much time and a half overtime as they wanted. Granted, both have full ride tuitions because of their academic and athlete abilities, but yet, they got off their butts and went to work.
Maybe you think too much of yourself
I’m with you collegekid!!.. Just wondering Keokuk.. who paid for your daughters car,rent, insurance , health insurance, and all other bills?? YOU!!!!.Be realistic nobody can survive with $8 an hour… I do pay for my bills, I go to college, pay my tuition, work 40 hours a week and I mother of 2. I do not have my daddy and mommy to pay for all my bills like your spoiled daughters!!!!
And Please do not erase comments!!!!
They have no rungs in their ladders because they came here illegally. Like the Jamaican said last night ‘ Go home and do it legal and they will welcome you!’ Then you get the rungs to climb!
“I’m with you collegekid!!.. Just wondering Keokuk.. who paid for your daughters car,rent, insurance , health insurance, and all other bills?? YOU!!!!.Be realistic nobody can survive with $8 an hour… I do pay for my bills, I go to college, pay my tuition, work 40 hours a week and I mother of 2. I do not have my daddy and mommy to pay for all my bills like your spoiled daughters!!!!
And Please do not erase comments!!!!”
That is great , you are doing everything you can do. Do you get child support? If not you may quailfy for gov. benefits as long as you are legal. That is who it is set up for. People like YOU, LEGAL citizens doing everything you can. That is when it is ok to get help.
Northerner on 17 Oct 2007 at 1:59 pm:
Something for you to ponder over:
http://www.heartheissues.com/illegal-immigrants.html
Kru, yes, it may sound like fear to you. Are the latinos the only ones who can claim fear? It works for them, so why not?
collegekid, your adolescence is showing. You lack a frame of reference for the things of which you speak. Give it a few years and hopefully you will have a little more experience in this area. My college-age dependent was happy to work for minimum wage when starting a job 4 years ago, in high school. Stuck with the company, did a good job, got raises, did not waste money on junk food, ipods, etc., and is able to foot the bill for some college expenses, does not have the “entitlement” attitude.
me-n-u,
what are you talking about?
No Kutis, not venom. Just completely fed up with the mess the illegal aliens have left our county in. Thank GOD for Help Save Manassas and the legal citizens that are tirelessly making the effort to clean things up.
donoterasemycomment!! I’m with you collegekid!!.. Just wondering Keokuk.. who paid for your daughters car,rent, insurance , health insurance, and all other bills?? YOU!!!!.Be realistic nobody can survive with $8 an hour… I do pay for my bills, I go to college, pay my tuition, work 40 hours a week and I mother of 2. I do not have my daddy and mommy to pay for all my bills like your spoiled daughters!!!!
And Please do not erase comments!!!!
Answers: They bought their own used cars. Paid their own “rent” while at college with the money they earned. Health insurance was covered under my Corporation at no additional expense to me. But I paid for their car insurance as long as they didn’t get a speeding ticket. They didn’t have any “other bills” that I know of.
Spoiled daughters????? Why would you say that? You’ve never met them. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. Wouldn’t your mommy and daddy help you if they could? Isn’t your husband helping provide income or do you have one?
Like redawn said, seek help if you are legal. Leave if you aren’t legal.
*****And besides, the lawns will be cut, the homes will be cleaned, the burgers will be flipped, the french fries will be fried. And, if not, who cares!*****
If this is the base understanding of a local economy, the entire county of Prince William has my sincere sympathy. Any business closing has a ripple effect that will eventually be felt by… forget it. I’m not your econ 110 professor. I’m just sad at such blind-faith that ‘everything’ll be fine’ when tinkering with HUGE cogs in the economic wheel.
Anon,
I’ve seen the statistics. But thanks for posting them. My point was not that Other illegal foreign-borns are equal in size to those from Latin America, only that they, too, exist.
My point is that the laws would change were it not for people who advocate rounding them all up and bussing them back to Mexico (which begs the question, how? midnight raids? separating crying children from their mothers? Man hours? Processing facilities? buses? do they dump them on the border with no food and water? where do these things come from? — Would we prefer to pay for all of this–which will be impossibly expensive– or do we let them keep paving our roads, building our banisters, and getting their kids into school to build better lives? — this was a longer aside than I intended) — These people would pay back-taxes and then would be responsible to pay in the future. If they don’t, they’d be delinquent, like you and me. Then they’d be paying for the resources they’re using.
So… To recap: round them up, bus them home = economic and humanitarian impossibility (Honestly… even if we could pay for it, would we want to be a nation with midnight raids, arm bands, et cetera?)
allow them to work/pay taxes = the only pragmatic policy proposed yet.
I’d love to hear an economically possible solution. I’m all ears and very open to the possibility.
I have been wondering about this. Why were their tee shirts green yesterday? Did it symbolize something like money or was it someone’s favorite color who had the shirts printed?
I would have thought they would have used red, white and blue tees because it would have created a better media opportunity for them and garnered more sympathy.
I 100% support the resolution but from a strictly marketing perspective, the pro illegals really screwed up with the color of the shirt, their message on the shirts, their spokespersons and the consistency of their message.
Keokuk said on 17 Oct 2007 at 4:25 pm:
donoterasemycomment!! I’m with you collegekid!!.. Just wondering Keokuk.. who paid for your daughters car,rent, insurance , health insurance, and all other bills?? YOU!!!!.Be realistic nobody can survive with $8 an hour… I do pay for my bills, I go to college, pay my tuition, work 40 hours a week and I mother of 2. I do not have my daddy and mommy to pay for all my bills like your spoiled daughters!!!!
And Please do not erase comments!!!!
Answers: They bought their own used cars. Paid their own “rent” while at college with the money they earned. Health insurance was covered under my Corporation at no additional expense to me. But I paid for their car insurance as long as they didn’t get a speeding ticket. They didn’t have any “other bills” that I know of.
Spoiled daughters????? Why would you say that? You’ve never met them. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. Wouldn’t your mommy and daddy help you if they could? Isn’t your husband helping provide income or do you have one?
Like redawn said, seek help if you are legal. Leave if you aren’t legal.
Keokuk:
You dont know anything about me !!!. By the way,I do have a husband or because I’m Latina I do not deserve to have a husband?? I am an american citizen!!. I work 40 hours and I do not depend on my husband like your daughters do!!! I dont have mommy and daddy to pay for my insurance, or free health insurance.. I pay my college tuition, my children daycare and every expense that I have. Do you still think that I can survive with $8 an hour??. Do you? What about your daughters? opss I forgot that they “do” have a husband to pay everything for them,right???..