“Do you really not see the link between 9/11 and illegal latino immigration as fallacious?”

In a word, no.

http://www.vdare.com/malkin/testimony.htm

http://www.theamericancause.org/licencedto.htm

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=4220

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2006/05/17/911,_the_pentagon,_and_our_borders

Replace “for” with “versus” those businesses who do not follow the rules.

I have posted part 1 and part 4 ( you can click on the director of the video and get parts 3 & 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r50P4eH6HR0&mode=related&search=illegal%20immigration%20alien%20raea%20leinster%20virginia

There are 4 parts. Click on the director and it will list the other videos posted. Very interesting.

here is part 4 I love the last statements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WTzhF1peA

There are currently two sets of rules in play here…one for small, entrepreneurial business unwilling to break the law and another for high profit, rapidly growing to multi-national business who break the law routinely without consequence. The baseline for those businesses who follow the rules (hire people with legitimate social security numbers and pay their payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, and Workman’s Compensation, as well as offering industry-appropriate benefits for full-time workers) is at a decided disadvantage for those businesses who do not follow the rules (knowingly hire illegal aliens with either no SSN as “casual labor” or with stolen documentation who are operating under the radar and will never apply for Workman’s Comp or Unemployment because it runs the risk of getting caught, thus keeping their employers rates low and their profits high). Ultimately, the consequence of this double standard will see the disappearance of the small businessman and a rapidly increasing monopoly in the various industries of businesses who only care about the bottom line…not their employees OR their customers. This bears absolutely NO resemblance to a “Free Market” of which I am familiar, Mr. Northerner!

I’m asking anybody who can to defend their policy and agenda. Simply to explain how it will take place in the real world. Nobody’s even tried.

I, however, don’t think I’ve burst any bubbles by posting here, because many here live in a fantasy-land where democracy means legalised descrimination and state-sanctioned racism.

God Bless America, the land that will never allow these things to happen.

I’m bating nobody. I am asking what policies are going to be effective in solving the problem, I am offering my opinion as to why it won’t work, and I’m asking for a rebuttal.

I’m not sure what you expect. Is this merely a cheer-leading board for everything impractical and wrongheaded?

I have asked what policies are being supported, and I’m asking how they will benefit us, those who live in No. VA.

If this is ‘baiting’ or ‘trolling’, my friend, you have some unique definitions.

I like that, hadn’t heard it before.

There is no ‘artificially low’ in the free market. Are you familiar with the concept of a free market? A minimum wage is a known market-inhibitor, same as price ceilings and price floors, monopolies, etc. If you paid $7.25 to each strawberry picker, strawberry prices would increase by whatever the offset would be. For goods where demand is elastic, they will just price themselves out of the market. It’s that simple. Clothing would be similar. And business would not innovate, they would move to Cambodia and Bangladesh. Your area will lose the corporate taxes, (property, income) and the residential, individual taxes.

If a job is worth 4$ an hour, it should be paid 4$ an hour. If the labourer finds the price too low, they negociate for a higher price, or they find a job that meets their needs.

The economics on this board…. I’m saddened and repulsed, but yet I can’t look away….

I heard a good phrase to describe it, and what goes on with illegal aliens as well:

“Privatize profits, socialize costs”.

Obviously, that’s not working in a free market. Wal-Mart should pay for health insurance, take better care of their workers, and pass on the increased cost of doing business to the consumer.

I’m no fan of the Wal-Mart model.

How do those subsidies fit along with your ideal of a free market?

Let me make one thing very clear: You are in favour of PASSING laws that CIRCUMVENT the INVISIBLE HAND. Your position could not be further from the free market than it is. It is the invisible hand that lures workers here. That’s what makes our country so prosperous. The only way to de-insentivise coming here for low-wage workers is to have our economy shrink, all of us make less money, all of us spend less money.

This board has been so very educational for me. Your comment (the one quoted above) made me cry. But then, I realised something: this is probably how a lot of people understand economics. And that thought frightened me. I think I may be the only fiscal conservative on this board! Just because you don’t like taxes doesn’t mean you’re a fiscal conservative. I’m in favour of the market working out a lot of these problems. Not radically increasing taxes (which is what many here propose without knowing it) and pumping up the gov’t with huge initiatives to employ tens of thousands more police, more gov’t projects, higher budget. Mayor Quimby, of Springfield, upon hearing that the citizens wanted their services, but that they didn’t want to pay for them asks his aide: ‘are these people just getting louder, or dumber?’

You can’t have a policy you can’t pay for. I wish I could say it so you could understand.

These are the types of proud spokesmen who are presented as the representatives of your cause. I trust you are as proud of them as Juarez and the rest of the illegal alien lobby appear to be. This is the face that they give to their cause…and you’re surprised that people are angry?

It seems reading this blog the past couple of days that every single illegal alien in PWC has been here for decades and not learned English. I haven’t been able to listen to the meeting yet, although I intend to. My computer didn’t cooperate. But I find it hard to believe each and every person using the interpreter was a person here for decades who had never learned any English.

There are so many variations of class origins, age, education, time here, experience, need, etc. to take into consideration. I would be loath to make any kind of generalization except to say the second generation will be fine as second generations always have been. Plus adults will improve if given the right sort of encouragement.

In any case, the US government has lots of reasons not to interfere with remittance payments given their impact on other countries’ economies.