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Ron Paul Sets A Record
By Greg L | 21 October 2007 | National Politics | 62 Comments
…for getting booed during a Republican Presidential debate, and for good reason. This guy is a clown.
It doesn’t escape my notice that not a single question on the illegal alien problem was asked. Apparently there’s a lot more work to be done with those folks who have their eye on Washington, with one notable exception, Tom Tancredo, and one probable exception, Duncan Hunter.
My take is that this debate didn’t really help voters make their minds up. I’m starting to think that these debates are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and voters are going to have to look elsewhere for information that will help them make a decision about who to support.
Thoughts?
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Ron Paul is a bit of a fringe I agree, but it’s evident that he is not bought and paid for like most of the other candidates. I think the country is in desperate need of someone like Ron who can shake things up and kick these corporations/lobbyists the hell out of DC once and for all. It’s too bad the guy will never be allowed the nomination.
It did not escape me either that there were no questions asked at all re: illegal immigration. In fact, it disturbed me greatly and told me that there is still a huge disconnect between these guys and the desires of the American people. Iraq wasn’t really mentioned either, save for a few comments here and there. Fox News is worthless and all those hosts should be beaten across the head with a sock full of oranges for flubbing this debate in this manner. Mike Huckabee is my front runner for now.
Dave
I’ve known that Ron Paul was a clown from the first time I heard him debate. I am disturbed that the best the Republican party has to offer is Rudy.
The audience was rude to Ron Paul. I expect better out of an audience at a national debate.
Ron Paul is hardly a clown.
Ron Paul is fighting for the border to be sealed and wants to cut benefits for illegals.
“Ron Paul is the Thomas Jefferson of our time.” - Judge Andrew Napolitano
Thomas Jefferson was such a clown.
Greg,
I didn’t hear or see all the debate, because I was on the road, but why would you blame the candidates for the questions? Fox asked the questions. You have to give it to Tancredo for not letting a question go by without trying to answer it with an illegal immigration twist. I heard him tonight try to convince people he could solve the Social Security/entitlements problem solely by cracking down on illegals. Oh, and I heard Duncan Hunter try to answer another issue with his world trade tirade also. I also got to hear my man Thompson give out his whole resume in response to a simple accusation of his being lazy. That was a cool ending to the debate. It was almost as good has his slam of Chris Matthews at the last debate.
Oh, IMHO, Ron Paul is not a clown, but an idiot. That’s assuming he is not a “plant” from the anti-war leftist.
Only a ‘clown’ would obey the constitution. . .
Those who attack the constitution are the real enemys of America.
Ron Paul is a “plant” for the Founding Fathers sent to save the Constitution!
Ron Paul is simply following the founding fathers advice ie. our former neighbors right up the street like George Washington, George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison.
They all expressed caution when dealing with foreign alliances because they had scene too many countries dissolved trying to maintain large empires.
Ron Paul is simply following the founding fathers advice ie. our former neighbors right up the street like George Washington, George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison.
They all expressed caution when dealing with foreign alliances because they had seen too many countries dissolved trying to maintain large empires.
Here is video follow up on Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsXLf_w_0fs
Hearing people call somebody who abdicates strict adherence to the Constitution a clown illustrates just how much the neoconservatives have liberalized the Republican Party.
That clown got booed by a stacked audience, but won the debate with 34% on Fox’s own cell phone poll. Rp said himself in the post debate show that he didnt get 1000 tickets like the other candidates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsXLf_w_0fs
Nuff said.
Friendly advice, were a bit above name calling at this point. No one is buying it.
What makes Ron Paul a clown again? You need to back up your assertions with evidence.
Here is debate footage for Ron Paul.
Viewers can decide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46hDZvME7Oc
Yes I’d only like some evidence as to why advocating peace is something only clowns do? Was Reagan a clown for getting out of the Middle East? Was Eisenhower a clown for taking us out of Korea and not getting involved in Vietnam? Did Richard Nixon get elected solely to get out of Vietnam?
Maybe I’m a little too old for this debate as I remember much of this history of Republicans that I actually admire.
Ron Paul is the most idiotic presidential candidate I’ve seen yet(not including any of the Dems) why do we let the cut and run people in our debates?
if by idiotic you mean most conservative, then I agree.
Obviously you have no idea what Ron Paul’s stances on immigration are since you seem to think it’s a huge issue but don’t give him any credit for where he stands on it. If you actually knew anything at all about him, you’d probably like where he stands on immigration. Since we’re calling people names, it’s retards like you that suggest people do research in places other than debates but obviously haven’t done any of your own. Take your anti-constitutional agenda and shove it. You’re just another typical moronic neo-con sheep.
Hillary will win because America does not want this pointless war.
The ironic thing is that the war is a liberal idea - “Let’s spend HUNDREDS of BILLIONS to help another country and secure its borders! Spending taxpayer’s money is good! Spending it on other countries is good!”
America first and small government. This is what American’s want. That is why Ron Paul is the only way a Republican can win.
If you don’t support Ron Paul, you are giving Hillary the Whitehouse. This is a FACT.
You know, I’ve been a proud, conservative Republican my whole life. The first vote I got to cast was for Reagan in 1980. There was only one candidate on that stage tonight that could even hold a candle to Reagan, and that was Ron Paul. Old Ronnie has to be turning in his grave at the rest of those liberal (yes, I said liberal) fools running as Republicans. If you think any of those other clowns are conservatives, you’ve either been hoodwinked or you’re dumber than dirt.
This party has lost it and it makes me sad. The thought that my party could nominate Guiliani or Romney to carry the torch makes me physically ill. When the cards are on the table, there’s not an ounce of difference between them and Hillary. Those are your real clowns.
I Highly recommend you do some reasearch !
The single greatest threat to america is not terrorism it is our $10 mill deficit http://www.jointhefightforfreedom.com/node/88
When we are broke we won’t have to worry about terrorists
the 2nd video on the page is from David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States No other candidate no matter which party has a workable solution to the REAL problem except Paul.
Art, Ron Paul is still polling poorly (except in straw polls and phone-in & internet polls, where there is an organized effort to make Ron Paul look like the winner) in among all voters and likely voters. He is the fringe, as his support is made up only of younger voters (who are less likely to vote in the first place) and the fairly rare libertarian voter. If Paul only polls at 4% among Republicans, what hope does he have against a candidate who is blowing away her primary opponents by 15% or more? Then again, Hillary can have the Whitehouse. It is the White House that this election is about.
Fred Thompson holds the values that the majority of conservatives hold. He consistently polls well, at second place or better in almost every poll he is a part of (first place tends to vary, even though Rudy fills that spot most often, but this does not tend to look at likely voters, instead looking at the general public). The base comes out at the primary; I’m certain Fred Thompson will come as the Republican candidate. The question will be how strong his victory will be.
Come on, Art, if we don’t support RP than Hill gets the WH??? Plueeze!!! And who the heck do you listen to to say America does not want this “pointless war”??? CBS and ABC??? Everyone I talk to DOES support the war…but then again, the people I hang around are either former Marines or Active Duty types who have just returned from Afghanistan and Iraq.
What we need to do is get rid of the Phil Donohue type of debates, the Youtube debates, etc. and get back to old school - let’s do radio debates, that way people cannot be judged on looks (Edwards) and will have to rely on substance (Reagan). And if we are going to REALLY try something “on the edge”, how about the cadidates all write questions posed to the other candidates and they are randomly drawn, now THAT should be interesting.
And let’s bring back Alan Keyes…now THAT guy could debate!!!
Dean: Are you smoking crack??? I will take this country being broke over this country being DEAD!!! I will take the President saying, “We have decided to hold a national lottery to bring down the deficit” and the dollar worth what the Pesos is now over the President saying, “”.
It’s time we go Medieval on these bastards in the Middle East, assist them in running their country (how many years did it take US???!!!!), and then call it a day. Oh, and the NEXT 3rd world country that gets hit by bad weather who has even ONCE bad mouthed us…well, we tell them that life’s a … and then you…
Man, is this the best that the Ron Paul folks can do? The last time I mentioned his name, a bunch of folks from all over the country came out of nowhere to defend their guy. This time the response is relatively weak.
Is the “Ron Paul Revolution” losing steam here. or what? I’ve only got one commenter from Colorado, three from California, and one from New York. This is pretty weak for the Ron Paul kool-aid guys who have typically tried to dominate any discussion where their candidate is named.
I think he’s losing his clown brigade. They’re not showing up like before.
They are busy building a national organization.
There is saying in politics. “Don’t stop to kick every barking dog.”
In blogging, I’d say the rule is somewhat opposite.
Last night’s debate clearly showed how leftist the GOP has become. Once, the GOP were strong advocates for peace and limited government. Now they act like pigs at the trough.
Like it or not, Ron Paul *is* the only traditional conservative in the race. He follows in the tradition of Taft, Goldwater & Reagan.
If you guys wanna be like the Democrats, I suggest joining the Democratic Party and support Hillary Clinton. She represents your Trotskyite vision.
Last night wasn’t a debate it was a Hillary Clinton bash fest. This might work in the primary cycle but if we actually want to win in 2008 we need to actually address issues at some point. One of the purposes of a primary is to force the candidates to become smarter for the general election. If anything I think the candidates are regressing and sometimes outright pandering in desperation for primary voters. If Hillary Clinton wasn’t running its hard to imagine what these candidates would be talking about.
If I didnt have to go to work I’d write a long reply defending Ron Paul and proving the other candidates (including Thompson) are not true conservatives.
Wake up people!
According to a Florida Republican who tried to get tickets to the debate:
“This was hardly the “Republican base”. So who was in the audience? As a Florida Republican I tried to get tickets, but I couldn’t. Why? They were almost all given to the campaigns who paid $100,000 = Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain. That was THEIR SUPPORTERS booing the American people for wanting their troops home. That was THEIR SUPPORTERS wanting to start another Cold War.”
Over 70% of the American people want this war brought to an end and our troops brought home NOW, including a growing number of Republicans (soon to be a majority). If the Republican nominee supports continuing this unpopular war, he is going to lose to Hillary in November.
Greg L - I still haven’t seen you post any explanation of why you think Ron Paul is crazy. Please site specific policies. I bet you misunderstand (perhaps intentionally) his platform and previous record.
There IS an explanation to the rude booing delivered to the Honorable Ron Paul at this Fox News debate. Rumor has it that *some* of the candidates paid the $100 entrance fee to get into the debate audience–to the tune of 1,000 tickets! Most of Ron’s supporters would probably prefer to donate the $100 to his campaign.
And you’re right. The most important issue facing America–illegal immigration–was barely mentioned. In case you’re left wondering where the GOP candidates stand on this issue, please do some research of your own here, compliments of NumbersUSA:
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html
And don’t forget to look at GOP Page 2. This information is a real eye-opener.
And BTW, Greg, ad hominem attacks on a candidate are hardly debate tactics to be proud of. Surely you can do better than that….No?
“He is the fringe, as his support is made up only of younger voters (who are less likely to vote in the first place) and the fairly rare libertarian voter”
Actually, although he has a large number of younger voters, his support is far broader than that. Of his supporters who are active online, about half are 29 or under. I’d guess the percentages could be somewhat different offline. He has supporters of all ages. (I’m a woman in my 40’s.)
He also has supporters all along the political spectrum. There are traditional Republicans, Democrats registering as Republican to vote for him, third party members (Libertarian, Constitution Party), Independents, and also people who have not voted for many years because they did not think there was anyone worth voting for.
At every rally he has, there are 1000-2000 people. I have no doubt he will have a higher percentage of his supporters turning out to vote than the other candidates.
Honestly, as a fellow blogger, I’m surprised at you. Ron Paul has spoken out against regulation of the speech and the internet. This is precisely the medium that allows you the freedom to efficiently and clearly speak your mind without fear of political recrimination.
Bloggers all over, you included, should be strongly in support of this guy.
Best,
James
Gregg, using Liberal Democrat tactics now? This is typically what they do when they are unable to debate Conservatives or Republicans on facts.
But I suppose the Republican party is so far to the left these days this is what we can expect. Just look at the phony Republicans like Guiliani and Thompson. If this is what you represent it calls into question whether you actually believe in the causes and values stated on your website.
He’s hardly fringe - just look at his supporters. I’m an MD, my father is a mortgage broker, my brother is a restauranteur/bar owner. My Mom - she’s an immigrant, legally that is, and one of my favorite stories she tells is of coming to this country in 1968 and hearing democrats say how they wanted to give this and give that, all for free. She registered republican when she became a citizen, because she knew then, as she knows now, you don’t get anything for free - including liberty. I’m saddened to see that the republican party is trying to convince us that which the democratic party has been saying for years - just vote for us and we have all this free stuff for you. There is now, no difference b/w the two parties — just look at the SCHIP debate. The debate isn’t should we fund it, but just how much. That’s not the Republican party I grew up with, nor the one my mother registered with in 1973. The party has left us in the pursuit of satiating it’s lust for power. I and my family will support Ron Paul, not because he’s perfect, but because he gives us the best chance of having our country back with liberty and justice for all - not just elite few.
I’m not really sure why, but I generally expect more from this blog. I still read it because it’s local and the primary issues are close to my heart. I guess there’s the entertainment factor, too, but the whole “Ron Paul is a clown” thing just seems like you want to be another blog-based Sean Hannity, Greg. That’s disappointing, because there are enough Republican sycophants out there chirping their same thoughtless messages over and over without paying attention to what the people really want. Sure, it’s entertaining, but why not do something more creative (or are you preparing to ask for Party support in a future campaign?)
This makes me think back a few days to the Republican party survey that was mailed to me again this year. Ever since I gave financial support to the party, they keep sending me these year after year. My only response was apparently not received — I complained that all of the questions are loaded and it appears they really don’t want to hear what voters want. Pitiful.
[Ed note: Gee, I didn’t know I had a following in Pennsylvania.]
The Paultards are going to spam the hell out of you.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=27613
I swear, these people are like a cult.
How much did you make from Ron Paul’s ad that used to appear on this site?
I don’t recall how much I got from the Ron Paul folks. Probably about $50. Ads on BVBL are pretty inexpensive. As has been demonstrated, ads don’t mean you automatically get a pass.
As far as getting spammed, it’s looking pretty weak. There’s only 348 page views right now, which is about the same level of traffic we got when discussing who had whose yard signs out in front of their houses. Even with them getting folks from even California to post comments on this thread, my guess is their little army is being stretched pretty thin trying to provide cover for what happened last night.
What is a conservative? Strengthening our borders, ending entitlements for illegals, reducing government spending, ending the IRS, George Bush’s own humble foreign policy of no nation-building from 2000, getting the federal government out of medicine and education, respecting states rights and federalism, actually declaring war as the Constitution demands…. these are conservative principles, and by calling Ron Paul a clown you only go to show how politics has degenerated into a name-calling shouting match which always results in unprincipled leaders who sell out America to corporate and foreign interests.
There is nothing more painful to see than the so-called conservatives bashing the only man on the stage who actually adheres to pre-Bush conservatism. If you don’t understand the difference between the neo-conservatives and the Taft-Goldwater-Reagan conservatives, no wonder you would boo the idea of a non-interventionist foreign policy (the Republican foreign policy for most of the 20th century). The neo-conservatives come from the LEFT! They promote government spending and entitlements (medicare expansion?), nation-building and policing the world (Iraq, Iran), submitting to UN and regional governments (going to war to enforce UN resolutions), and open borders (doing nothing to enforce our laws). These are all positions that Bush and the majority of Republicans have adopted over the past few years. Yes, the Democrats and Liberals are wrong about most things, but that doesn’t automatically make anyone correct who labels themselves as conservative. The true reason conservatism is superior to liberalism is the philosophical foundations of limited, constitutional government. The Republican party has lost that which made it great, and Ron Paul is doing his best to remind us of this fact.
Ron Paul is a clown? Nice name calling, glad to see the come
back of ad hominem attacks.
Might want to start attacking his ideas instead. I (A RP supporter) would be willing to listen to attacks upon his ideas, but just dismissing him as a clown is dumb and makes
you look like a 10 year old.
I’m a “clown” for OUR Constitution too. I make mistakes sure, then I figure out what went wrong and correct the situation. If I don’t learn from my mistakes or ignore the problem I am worse off and hardly being responsible. Admitting mistakes and personal responsibility is’nt very popular, who likes to be wrong? OUR Constitution and Bill of rights give all “clowns” from total left to total right an equal playing field, Liberty & Freedom. Start chipping away at Liberty and Freedom and we tilt the field and shift individual responsibilities. Not good for any of us. I am responsible for getting informed about OUR Constitution. I am responsible for helping others learn as well.
“My take is that this debate didn’t really help voters make their minds up. I’m starting to think that these debates are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and voters are going to have to look elsewhere for information that will help them make a decision about who to support.”
Very good, I’m glad you’re thinking, now think a little harder. Learn from a mistake and correct the situation. Help your Country. Thanks for the platform.
Be careful about blowing off the young voters and the old voters. Check out the demographics of the past 4-5 presidential elections.
I don’t support any of the presidential candidates, Republican or Democrat. Too early in the ball game for an Independent.
However, Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo were the only 2 in the debate last night who did not sound like they had been wound up and put on auto talk.
Perhaps not having the big bucks behind them made them work harder and with more conviction.
I still think the behavior of the audience was poor form for a nationally televised debate. Clapping and booing just wastes time and turns a serious issue into a sporting event.
Too bad none of these televised debates put the speaker’s name up while they are speaking. That would be extremely helpful to potential voters.
None of you should be surprised at the lack of substance in Greg’s attack. If he tried to debate on ideas, he would have his clock cleaned and he knows it.
He is using a debate technique where he sets the standard of success as something nonsensical like needing tons of hits from ron paul supporters on his web site in order for Ron Paul to continue to prove his viability.
I prefer the standard of viability and legitimacy that Ron Paul set this last quarter. 5$ Million dollars.
Losing steam? Hardly…
Greg has finally revealed his true colors. He finally shed his conservative diguise and assumed his true neocon self.
This ought to come as no surprise. After all, he just did a lot of heavy lifting when it came to organizaing the passage of this resolution that directly attacks our right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the constitution. Good work Gregg!
One of the most bizzarre things i saw in the citizens time was the long procession of americans (supposedly lovers of freedom and liberty) saying in essence, like duped sheep, ‘Thank you Corey, for tricking us into giving away some of our liberties!’
For those of you who supported the resolution…when you went home that night, and looked into your children’s eyes, did you tell them how you had just compromised their freedom to simply walk down the street without ‘official papers’?
Oh, yes, those of you who are not minorities will be comfortable in the knowledge that you and your family members will probably not be targeted for harrasment. However…the precedent has been set. You have given your government the right to treat you like a criminal simply for not having id. Today the issue is illegal immigration…but tomorrow the governement may very well use this precedent again over an issue that has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
If Hillary comes to power…do you think she will hesitate to use this new abusive power that you have given the government to justify further erosion of our liberties while she pursues her solialist agenda? Collectivists like her always justify their assualt on our freedoms by saying it is “for the common good”. Which is exactly how this resolution was sold to us sheep (Note the lack, in the resolution, of any penalties for employers of illegals who are the real traitors and the root cause of illegal immigration. Harsh penalties for employers would have dealt a big blow to illegal immigration AND preserved our liberties). Our liberties and freedoms and our willingness to defend them are the main things keeping the socialists like Hillary at bay. Congratulations on laying the ground work that she may very well build upon to trample on the rights of your children…
Greg…when you speak of clowns…you may come to find that the joke is really on you…
John Light:
How long did it take US to start running our country? No time at all, really. We established the Articles of Confederation in the Revolutionary War. Written in 1777, they were used in practice fairly immediately, though not officially ratified until 1781. They were replaced by the Constitution in 1788, as it was found that the Articles were not satisfactory.
How many countries held our hands while we established this government? ZERO. That is the important difference. You cannot FORCE liberty on people. They have to want it. They have to be willing to fight and die for it, or they will not have it, no matter how long we stay there and tell them to be free.
Besides, we don’t have REAL freedom or liberty in our OWN country anymore. Worry about your home before you worry about the rest of the world.
Greg,
“Gee, I didn’t know I had a following in Pennsylvania”
Pennsylvania? Oh, I get it, my client is headquartered in Blue Bell so you seem to believe IP addresses are an accurate measure of geography. Alas, I live in Fairfax, hence the .dc.cox.net source of this post.
Even if I weren’t in the county next door, why take the effort to disagree with the only part of my post that didn’t matter? And you’d need a new angle to develop a following more than a couple counties away. I wish you had it, too, because there are important messages out there that would be nice to be told to the number of visitors you get here. Commonplace entertainment only goes so far.
Ron Paul has very little support, as measured any way you could possible imagine. He is irrelevant in the race for President, other than being distracting.
One of three people will be our next President: Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani or Hillary Clinton.
Of them, Romney stands out as having the best record of accomplishments and the broadest experience – (although Giuliani isn’t far off). That may not be every thing, but it makes him stand out.
Candidates can say anything they want on the campaign trail. What they have done matters the most. Mitt Romney started and ran a very successful business, saved the Salt Lake City Olympics, and was a successful Governor.
On a smaller level, he led the fight against court-mandated gay marriages in Massachusetts. He did everything he could to repeal the decision, including putting the issue before the general public, which backed him up overwhelmingly. Any of you who are worried about the three or more Supreme Court vacancies our next President will fill should look into his record on interpreting Constitutions. He has experience with Judges finding social policy in them, and hates it.
With Romney, his actions speak better than anyone’s words.
Romney is a worse flip-flopper than Kerry and how do you say he was a sucessful governor?
http://romneyfacts.com/
He thinks his sons are serving their country by helping this campaign.
He’s just another rich guy who wants to put President on his resume.
Rudy is worse than Romney - I will give RHarrison that much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDGWlY38c0
Tancredo! Hoot…you really are a “hoot” aren’t you? Being able to provide legal “papers” if you are stopped by a cop is a requirement today anyway! What will happen is that the papers will be verified through a verification system (which happens anyway now). The system just might be a little better at tracking people who are not legal.
My proposal is to elect someone who represents and articulates the Constitutional precepts of “Less is better”. In the last 30 years there is a very strong trend shown in Republican (conservative) actions, to ‘grow’ control of its base by Corporate and government interactions either directly or by proxy. The Democrats are no better except by the implementation of voter base promises and selective manipulation of the media and people to their own goals.
Obviously, there is no simple answer and even if Ron Paul is elected, the change will not be overnight, however, “We the People” are no longer willing to be “we the sheepole” and need to move the this Democratic/Republic experiment back several decades. In an engineering or science environment the control of an experiment must be based on a valid and solid hypothosis. In this case, we are changing the experiment and chasing the results based on who is controlling the experiment. OUT OF CONTROL !!
Look carefully at the trend of where we were and where we are now. The government does not represent us anymore, and “they” are no longer “us”.
I am 53 and a previous Republican Navy/Vet. and the Republicans left me years ago to follow their own persuasions and promises.
Simply, its time to reset the experiment called The United States Government…..a revolution? Perhaps. Of course, our Constitution gives us this liberty to do just that. Take care my friend.
To all Ron Paul supporters. We are working on getting him on the Virginia ballot. We need your signatures.
Thanks for all those who put their names on the petitions. We are getting very close to getting Ron on the Virginia ballot.
Ron Paul is the only one & only one who will change us all for the better , he must be protected from the evil in this country & the foreigners & the UN,CFR,Bilderberg , he must get back our military & lock the borders down .
The IRS is illegal & un-constitutional , what candidate can debate one on one with this guy ?? Tell me , who Hillary ,,, she has a record a mile long & she could never promise anything close to what Ron Paul can ,, GO RON PAUL ,,Our last hope , LETS HOPE HE CAN WIN & GET IN before the UK & US governments need to attack us again like on 9-11-2001 .Do your research if you haven’t !!!! The facts of that day & science is unexplainable in relate to the official story , they made it happen & since then ,. we have lost almost all of our rights & continue to lose them , Hillary is for one WORLD GOVERNMENT ! They want to crash the dollar & become the rescuers with the merge of Mexico,Canada & the USA ,, yeah , we need no dollar,,an Amero & the North American Union , right ?? No , we need Ron Paul , he is our last hope ,,otherwise we will lose our country completely !!
Remember ,, George Bushcan declare Martial Law with no one’s approval , only his , no Congress , no House , only he can make the decisions if we are framed again .. See what your candidate stands for & then try & find a flaw in Ron Paul ,, think about it folks , you want your land or do you want tyranny by a facist governemnt ??
One hundred years ago we had the strongest middle class & no national debt . Now look at us !! We had Kennedy , they killed him , we has Reagan & George Bush tried to have him wacked ((look it up)) ,, now we need Ron Paul & we need him bad !!
You Go Ron Paul , imagine if they actually put you on controlled mass media TV , every TV station is owned by members of the New World Order , remember that too , why do you think this candidate is never talked about on TV ,,, THAT IS BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO HE IS !!!! SPREAD THE WORK & SEE YOU IN PHILLY SATURDAY!
John in NJ