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William Day: Border Patrol A “Waste Of Money”

By Greg L | 21 October 2007 | 31st HOD District | 35 Comments

The Fauquier Times-Democrat has an interesting policy position on illegal immigration, courtesy of William Day, who is challenging Delegate Scott Lingamfelter in the 31st District:

We have a border patrol now. It’s a waste of money…. The real issue is what are the issues that are making them come here?”

Calling any fight against illegal immigration that did not first address such underlying causes “backwards,” Day said increased foreign aid could help. (emphasis added)

So the Border Patrol is a waste of money, but it’s a good idea to increase our foreign aid to Mexico to the point where the illegal immigration problem abates? And that would cost what, exactly?

Where do Democrats come up with some of these people?



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  1. Anon said on 21 Oct 2007 at 2:44 am:
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    I think it is a waste of money, but only because we don’t give them the resources to do their job properly and we keep locking up our own when they do arrest illegals because of pressure from the Mexican government. The border patrol is nothing but the federal government’s token gesture to pretend that the are doing something about illegal aliens. The department reminds me of a house that has a home alarm system sign in front of the house but no actual alarm in it.

  2. Disgusted Veteran said on 21 Oct 2007 at 3:12 am:
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    The thing that really strikes me most about what is said at this website is over the issue of people entering this country illegally. In fact, for the over past 20 some years this has been the status quo and it is as if in this past year peope have woken up to some bad dream and want to know why?

    …Well, we as proud Americans like everything fast! We want all our products in our hands as quick as you can say cheap. If we don’t get our egg McMuffin quickly enough we’ll hear someone say: “It’s because they should master the english language before working in a place like this”…Well, we actually really speak American.

    I can fairly say, that if our country ran into really hard times like back in the time of the crash of ‘29 and we went into the same type of depression that the “Greatest Generation” had to survive through; we could find ourselves digging through dumpsters to find food. We would struggle with the same decisions that alot of these people would have to make to leave their homes and start a life elsewhere. If Canada who shows a strong thriving economy closed all its borders to our people and WE were the ones going over illegally, don’t worry, we would do whatever it takes to feed our families even if it meant breaking the law.

    There also is an arrogance in the air with people choosing to cut off aid where it is needed and orchestrating the idea of mass deportations the same way the nazis rationalized their wrong doings over some 60 years ago. Many died just from the journey alone. These people need our help not our hatred. And the thing that burns me up the most, is for those that fought shoulder to shoulder with me and my brothers in Iraq who died from an IED never realizing their citizenship yet… they, yes they you all spit on and to you I find no humanity.

  3. mnd said on 21 Oct 2007 at 6:55 am:
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    Disgusted Veteran said on 21 Oct 2007 at 3:12 am:

    Enforcing immigration policy is a legitimate power of the US Government.

    The problems that Mexico is having cannot be rectified by changing that policy. (Unless of course you’d like to see the rule of law in this country replaced with a culture of corruption.)

    One might argue that by providing foreign aid we are prolonging the economic and social injustices against the common native Mexicans. This strikes me as a more evil act than giving them false hope by failing to turn them back at our borders.

    You’d find a better argument if you’d referenced the “Trail of tears”. This situation has nothing similar to the NAZI treatment of the Jews.

  4. Bryanna said on 21 Oct 2007 at 7:03 am:
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    Disgusted Veteran said on 21 Oct 2007 at 3:12 am:
    Yes, Sir! Very well stated, and I am in full agreement with you.

    The Immigration resolution didn’t deliver a SOLUTION.

    The BOCS should have taken more time to gather info, meet with state and federal officials, and design a unilateral plan that delivers a humanitartian and economic solution to this issue.

    Mr. Stewart pushed the timeline so he could use this for what he believes to be his own political gain on November 6th. Anyone who places citizen’s at risk by way of instigating riots and a civil war in their own community is unfit for public office, I hope others will realize this soon.

    The resolution has no teeth. Mr. Stewart is a disgrace. He used HSM and swindled $30k of our tax dollars in the process as well.

  5. Legal2 said on 21 Oct 2007 at 7:17 am:
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    Disgusted&Anonymous - you blither on so much that your ignorance is evident.

  6. Clean it up in '07 said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:03 am:
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    Does William Day understand what office he’s running for? Last I checked the Virginia House of Delegates doesn’t deal with alot of foreign aid matters….haha…this guy is in the clouds.

  7. Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:41 am:
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    People are missing Day’s broader point. Transportation, communication, and mobility have made borders an interesting artifact of the past. They just don’t matter anymore. We may cling to them; however, anyone who wants in will get in. Ironically, the real threats to our security will get in through the front door with papers).

    The answer is Free Markets. We buy their stuff and sell them our stuff. This creates jobs and improves the economy at both ends. The Free Market is what brings illegals to PWC. We have jobs created the local free market. Jobs attract workers. Creating jobs in Mexico (actually, creating jobs and opportunity everywhere) is the key to reducing terrorism and economic inequality. The entrepreneurs of the world will organize its labor force to make a buck. The assistance that Day talks about will help mobilize the local infrastructure and Government to help create opportunity. People will be able to find jobs at home. Yes, there’s corruption along the way; however, the alternative is continued poverty and an environment conducive to war.

    Look at what is happening in China, India, and Vietnam. The Free Market is revolutionizing the Government and moving it towards a democratic model. If you have any doubts, start looking around where you are sitting now and see where everything is made (including your computer).

    The “bonus” is that folks who buy and sell stuff to each other don’t tend to go to war. The EU is an excellent example of economic interdependence and cooperation. No one expects Germany to invade France anytime soon because of their economic interdependence.

    I would suggest you read Tom Barnett’s book “The Pentagon’s New Map” if you want to see what is driving our foreign policy. You might also check out his website at http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/
    This is what your national level leadership is reading these days.

    This is actually the conservative model because it promotes free enterprise and small business, Republican bedrock issues (you remember the part about, “…they buy our stuff). Day is applying visionary national level thinking to local issues. Unfortunately, that doesn’t help with the overcrowded house down the block. It will take a Generation for the free market in Mexaco to work, but history is on its side.

  8. mnd said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:48 am:
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    Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:41 am:

    The free market says that scarce resources (citizenship) should command a higher price when the demand is high.

    The free market says that scarce resources (access to our markets) should command a higher price when the demand is high.

    Passing on legitimate costs of opening our borders to people and goods is NOT counter to a free market. In fact a free market does not exist when costs are hidden.

    We empower the government to act on our behalf and in our best interests.

  9. Retiredwildgoose said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:56 am:
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    Adam Smith,

    You got me thinking. A Hypothetical, would you rather have the police chase the house on your left with six undocumented immigrant families, 9 cars, an open screen door and loud music or the documented immigrant family on the right with two kids in local schools, a nicely trimmed lawn, a new Ford in the driveway, and a strap-on bomb in the basement waiting for the Christmas Holidays at Potomac Mills Mall (with a dozen other co-conspirators all with papers living across Northern Virginia).

    We live in a target rich environment for terrorists. DHS expects them to strike again one of these days. We know their model. I regret that we have diverted a significant percentage of our law enforcement resources to chasing illegals while terrorists will produce papers on their way home with a timer they purchased at Lowes.

    Ideally, we would like them to do both. Practically, we have to choose. I’m not sure we made the right choice. I hope we don’t need a disaster to re-order our priorities.

    We said we wouldn’t forget 9/11… I think we forgot.

  10. FHL said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:13 am:
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    Disgusted Veteran

    Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and views. You are absolutely right!!! I also want to also thank you for serving our country. I bet many of these people who post their hatred, biogtry and racism do not even realize just how many hispanic brothers waiting for citizenship have fought in the war and have given their life for this country. I bet many of them never put on a military uniform much less fought in a war.

    I wonder if anyone realizes legal or illegal men who reach age 18 are required to register for the Selective Service in this country. I know many people waiting for their papers who have had to register. Yes, they get a notice in the mail. If we go to a draft, guess what??? They will be drafted into the military and if we are in war no one will care about their status.

  11. park'd said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:54 am:
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    Disgusted Veteran:

    I’ve always said that if illegals join the US Army then they should be given the right to gain citizenship. It would prove their commitment to this country and its ideals. Your comparison between your ‘brothers’ in Iraq and the local Mexican hillbillies that live 10 to a house, hang out at 7-11 cat-calling women and pissing all over the side of the wall is an absurd comparison meant to bolster your idiotic belief that all the illegals here share the same idea of heroism and honor that your comrades in arms did in Iraq. This is simply not the case. The majority of the illegals in the country are here to make a quick tax-free buck to send home to their own countries all the while living off the public teet. They have no aspirations whatsoever to become citizens or to become Americans and learn the language and culture. They are selfish loafs whose only concern is for them and theirs. You shame your brothers when you compare these dregs to them and therefor you shame yourself. I expect more from a veteran.

    Anonymous 7:30:

    You are right about unrest and civil war, but it is the citizens that are ready to create the unrest and not the illegals. If you think that we are all standing by idle hoping the government does something to save our neighborhoods then you are crazy. Many citizens are ready to take up arms over this situation just as I am sure many illegals are too when they are rounded up for running a red light. The citizens of this great country aren’t going to just sit back and say, “aww shucks” if these people are given amnesty. The citizens are ready to riot over this so let’s not forget about us eh? If I were you, I would start worrying more about the reaction from my fellow citizens and less about the reaction from the illegals.

  12. Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:57 am:
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    FHL on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:13 am:

    Yes! U.S. male citizens are required to register for Selective Service when they turn 18 years old. Since when do we register illegal aliens? I’m sure that the first thing they do when they illegally cross the border is look for the nearest Selective Service office. Legal immigrants between the ages of 18-25 are required to register (as a basis for pending citizenship.)

  13. Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:14 am:
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    Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:41 am:

    The answer is Free Markets. We buy their stuff and sell them our stuff. This creates jobs and improves the economy at both ends.

    Just look at how much the “Free Market” is buying from us.

    http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/ticker_home.asp

    China owns a portion of this country. They own some of our ports in California, are trying to buy some of our financial institutions and now trying to buy into 3Com. Lockheed Martin has given them our satellite secrets. Our big corporations are doing away with the American work force and bringing in cheap labor to increase their profits (of course these are the jobs that Americans won’t do.) GREED, GREED, GREED!

  14. Retiredwildgoose said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:19 am:
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    Re what Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:57 am

    Are illegal alien males required to register?
    Yes. All immigrant alien males, other than those admitted on nonimmigrant visas, must register, whether or not they have a green card.

    Interestingly, it’s a crime not to register.

    What is the penalty for not registering?
    If you do not register, you could be prosecuted and fined up to $250,000 and/or be put in jail for up to five years. Registration is also a requirement to qualify for Federal student aid, job training benefits, and most Federal employment.

    Anyone else “connecting the dots.” I doubt if any if the illegal males have registered; therefore, they are all criminals. I wonder if anyone is pursuing this crime?

    http://www.sss.gov/QA.HTM

  15. Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:22 am:
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    FHL said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:13 am:

    I wonder if anyone realizes legal or illegal men who reach age 18 are required to register for the Selective Service in this country. I know many people waiting for their papers who have had to register. Yes, they get a notice in the mail. If we go to a draft, guess what??? They will be drafted into the military and if we are in war no one will care about their status.

    Do you really believe what you just stated? If they get a draft notice they will be heading back to Mexico. el Salvador, Honduras et al in a heartbeat. Get real!

  16. Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:27 am:
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    What Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:14 am re “Free Markets”

    Ironically, the more things China owns and sells us, the less likely they are to attack us. I notice you didn’t mention U.S. investment in China; however, I’ll assume you are familiar with the subject. Of course, I assume you are aware that China finances our deficit. Should they decide to stop buying our dollars, we would have a problem.

    Did you know Holland is one of the largest (perhaps largest, depends on the day) investor in U.S. equity. Why aren’t they a problem?

    Frankly, investing across borders generally enhances security for all (that whole don’t attack our customers’ thing) and entrepreneurship creates both jobs and wealth for investment. I’m kind of fond of peace as a policy and favor free trade to keep our children out of harms way (and I was a soldier for a few years during the “far east fling” so I have a little experience in this area.)

    I’ll take free enterprise over war any day. Sound like a fair trade (no pun intended)?

  17. Vigilant1 said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:48 am:
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    Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:27 am:

    What Anonymous said on 21 Oct 2007 at 11:14 am re “Free Markets”

    “Ironically, the more things China owns and sells us, the less likely they are to attack us.”

    They don’t need to attack us (yet.) Just keep selling us poisoned tooth paste, poisoned food and don’t forget all of the products with lead paint and God knows what else we have yet to find. No, at this point they are doing a good job and don’t need to attack!

  18. Herndon Bob said on 21 Oct 2007 at 12:18 pm:
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    The China Stragity

    Don’t worry about China, Worry about the United States.

    http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2006/05/cctv-planning-documentary-on-fall-of.html

  19. Adam Smith said on 21 Oct 2007 at 2:53 pm:
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    What Herndon Bob said on 21 Oct 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Thanks for the link… interesting (and useful).

  20. Legal2 said on 21 Oct 2007 at 6:39 pm:
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    “See and listen to a compilation of written and live recorded statements by elected U.S. officials and politicians, college professors, and pro-illegal alien activists whose objective is to take control of our country “by vote if possible and violence if necessary!” These speakers are not the “lunatic fringe”. They are some of the most powerful Latino leaders and politicians in America, whose allegiance is to foreigners of their ethnic group, not to the United States.”

    http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/info/illegal_alien_lobby.html

    Please pay attention and get active!

  21. citizenofmanassas said on 21 Oct 2007 at 6:50 pm:
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    Disgusted Veteran,

    Did millions upon millions of American illegally pour into Mexico or some other Country in the 30’s?

    Your continued support of law breakers is simply amazing. If the Mexico Government really cared about their people, they would enact real economic reforms, rather then let us take care of their people. There simply is no excuse for what the Mexican Government has not done to improve the economic situation. Mexico is a very rich Nation, yet they do very little for their poor.

    Stop blaming us, our Country, and our work ethic for the short comings of Mexico.

  22. manassascityresident said on 21 Oct 2007 at 7:42 pm:
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    COM -
    AMEN!

  23. George said on 21 Oct 2007 at 7:43 pm:
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    I find it rather amusing that there seems to be more and more illegal alien apologists on this blog posing as “conservatives” or “veterans” or someone else who would normally not cater to these leftist ideas. I suppose we are going to see these questionable characters more and more as the elections near. I only wish these folks were not so ashamed of their liberalism that they find it necessary to pose as conservatives. But, maybe they understand that most Americans have little time left for those on the left that want to turn our country over to the liberals and their latest cause the illegals.

  24. citizenofmanassas said on 21 Oct 2007 at 7:48 pm:
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    MCR,

    Thanks.

  25. sam said on 21 Oct 2007 at 8:18 pm:
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    I am so sick and tired of hearing about the immigrants in the 20’s and 30’s and about how todays immigrants just want work and now I have to read from a veteran who has served our country proudly compare them to what I would call real true americans serving our country who are not legal citizens. The immigrants of the past are nothing like the thoughless, illegal and disgusting immigrants of today. Disgusted veteran, did you get hit in the head or something while you were serving our great country? Park’d, thank you for a well thought post. You have put it completely right. Go home, apply, learn english, live like normal people and come when you have been approved. And I was taught when I was younger, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Disgusted veternan and the rest of you liberal democrats, if you don’t understand, I don’t expect you to ever change your mind, but don’t call me racist just because I want to keep my country clean safe and illegal free. And I don’t want to hear about how we have forgot 9/11, as a career firefighter I lost a lot of brothers that day and I will never forget. Please don’t compare the two situations, illegal immigration and terrorist attacks, you do that day a disservice and dishoner the memories of everybody who died that day.

  26. dolph said on 21 Oct 2007 at 8:30 pm:
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    If you don’t know who is in your country and if your borders are not secure, then you are opening yourself up more to terrorist attacks. I certainly do believe there is a potential correlation. I do not believe this statement dishonors anyone who died on 9/11.

  27. sam said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:09 pm:
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    Dolph, I agree, I just get so upset about both of these issues that sometimes I don’t make myself clear. I agree with you that we need to take care of our borders, that is why the liberal democrats piss me me off. There is no other country in the world that would just open their borders and say “come on in!” I and almost everyone else who is against illegal immigration is not against legal immigration. It is real convenient for the illegal immigrant apologists to forget to include the word illegal when they talk about this subject. And I also want to say to everyone else, you are not doing our cause any favors by referring to the illegal immigrants as cockroaches or any other derogatory term that you use. While I am 100% against illegal immigration, I do not think we should step down to their level by using terms like that.

  28. Fairfax Resident said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:45 pm:
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    Interesting article on William Day. Anybody associated with the Piedmont Environmental Council needs to be watched closely. They are a classic NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) organization. They want your money to subsidize their schools, they want your money to subsidize their public safety but they don’t want to participate in generating the money. They know that Northyern Virginia is taxed far more than its fair share. They know that huge transfer payments go from Northern Virginia to the rest of the state every year. Yet when NoVA needs new roads - what do they suggest? Toll lanes so that Northern Virginians can pay even more and get even less back. Their latest tirade is over the possibility that new electric transmission lines will be run over a tiny, tiny fraction of a percent of their land. The places that have the jobs and generate the tax revenues supporting the NIMBY’s schools, courts, police, etc. need more electricity to keep their economies going. But the NIMBYs don’t want to spoil the scenic beauty of their backyards with power lines. They want your money - not your power lines.

    http://www.pecva.org/anx/index.cfm

    Illegal immigration is not in their problem set. They represent lifestyles where economic growth is a no-no. Places with few jobs have few illegal immigrants. Why don’t you economic growth jerks just send more money to Mexico if you want to keep out illegal immigrants? Pay them to stay home. This makes perfect sense to the PEC. The PEC represents people who are paying for their no growth lifestyles with your taxes, why not apply the same logic to Mexico?

    William Day sure loves Clarendon (in Arlington County). He thinks PWC and Fauquier should be like Clarendon. Few cars, lots of walking and bike riding. The fact that Arlington has 8 times the population density of PWC and 100 times the density of Fauquier doesn’t trouble people like William Day. The county of Arlington even has 5 times the population density of the town of Warrenton. Get rid of your cars you polluting jerks - just walk. Be like Arlington. Do you wonder if Arlington has political wannabes like William Day who sit around comparing Arlington to Manhattan?

  29. park'd said on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:54 pm:
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    Sam: the behavior of some of these illegals would make a cockroach blush, so I think that some of these derogatory terms that are used are aptly applied.

    I thought it was very disturbing tonight during the Repub Presidential Debate that not ONE SINGLE question was asked re: illegal immigration. Tancredo interjected a blurb on them when he talked about the health care issue but no direct questions were asked on what these guys plan to do about this problem. This is very disturbing to me and tells me that these guys just don’t get how important an issue this is to the people and how it can affect their candidacy.

    Dave

  30. peace said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:06 pm:
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    “And I don’t want to hear about how we have forgot 9/11, as a career firefighter I lost a lot of brothers that day and I will never forget. Please don’t compare the two situations, illegal immigration and terrorist attacks, you do that day a disservice and dishoner the memories of everybody who died that day.”

    Who are you talking to, Sam?

    I don’t think you’re going to find many liberals that are going to remind you guys not to forget 9/11, or who will compare illegal immigration and terrorist attacks.

    That’s your party’s line, not ours. Not that we don’t honor the dead of 9/11 or any other terrorist attack, it’s just the Republican Party has used terrorism for the last 6 years to prove that they are the party that can “protect” Americans.

    Unfortunately, the evidence proves otherwise.

  31. sam said on 21 Oct 2007 at 10:52 pm:
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    Peace, your blog name says it all. You are a liberal democrat that probably stands at all the illegal immigrant rallys and pats them on the back. Don’t get me wrong, I think both parties are 100% wrong on this issue. However, the Rebublicans have kept this country out of another attack! I hate to get into another subject here, but I am all for secret detention centers and doing what we have to do. The Muslim religion leaders have failed to stand up and call out the radicals so they are just as guilty. Peace, peace dosen’t always work and it won’t work in this issue (terrorism). I was referring to retiredwildgoose 9:56. I do not think the liberal democrats should use 9/11 to justify not taking action on illegal immigrants as this person did. We should allow illegal hispanics to roam our country while we search out the radical muslims? Pleeeease! They are both important but should be kept separate. To everybody, I apologize for the change of subjects, but again, sometimes I get very pissed off and ramble on.

  32. Northerner said on 23 Oct 2007 at 3:52 pm:
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    I just love how far the ‘immigrant infestation’ goes. We can blame all of societies ills on them. I get the feeling that if illegal aliens were to go away, so would all of our problems.

    What should we do about surging oil prices? No Illegal Immigrants! How can we stay competitive with a pessimal education system? No Illegal Immigrants! How can we make NBC’s disappointing Fall line-up more interesting? No Illegal Immigrants! Truly, you all have a dizzying intellect.

    Re:

    *****I hate to get into another subject here, but I am all for secret detention centers and doing what we have to do.*****

    Would you back President Putin setting up camps and nabbing US citizens vacationing in Paris and interrogating them about alleged support for Chechen rebels? What’s good for the goose… How could we stop such a thing when WE are laying the precedent?

  33. Northerner said on 23 Oct 2007 at 3:54 pm:
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    (P.S. — I’ll leave it to all of you to perform the intellectual gymnastics necessary to rationalise those 3 societal ills. I have nothing but faith they can all be adequately pinned on illegal immigrants.)

  34. citizenofmanassas said on 23 Oct 2007 at 9:22 pm:
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    Northerner,

    Of course illegal immigration is not the only problem or issue we have. However, that does not mean we should just ignore the problem. Would it be wise to just focus on oil prices?

    What is that line you liberals love to use? Think Globally, act locally? Well, we can clean up one street at a time by taking care of illegals. Less illegals mean less traffic, which means less use of gas, which means less oil used, which of course will mean lower prices for both oil and gas, since the demand will not be so great.

    Take care of one street at a time, and we reduce the number of homes we need. Which means more open spaces, and less pollution and sprawl. Less pollution and sprawl means less traffic, which means less… gas….

    Take care of one street at a time, and we reduce the number of kids in school, which leads to not having to build more schools, which leads to less traffic and sprawl. Which leads to less traffic and pollution. Which leads to less gas use.

    So tell me again how the reduction of illegals is not a good idea for everyone? Well, everyone who does not support criminals.

    Would you support granting amnesty to people who kill or rape? What is good for the goose……

  35. Michael said on 30 Oct 2007 at 8:47 pm:
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    Disgusted Veteran,

    I am also a veteran. You failed to point out that their are no “illegal” immigrants in the US armed forces (or should not be if background and security checks are truthful), only “legal” immigrants who are waiting for citizenship. They and all veterans deserve the utmost in respect. You should not use that political bent you have to protect “illegal” lawbreaking immigrants, as an excuse to be mad at people who in reality do not hate any legal veteran. You make a mistake and bad assumption when you try to associate people’s anger here with lawbreaking “illegal” immigrants, with some implied anger that they are also angry with “legal” immigrants and even worse imply they are angry with “legal” immigrant war veterans. I can assure you that is not the case with the vast majority of people against “illegal” lawbreaking on this blog. You as an honest veteran need to re-assess your position. “Illegal” immigrant support provides amnesty and sanctuary to invaders and illegal entry terrorists, something no war veteran should ever support if he loves his country. I believe you have made a grave mistake in assessing the “real” enemy here. You might be on the wrong side in this war.

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