Chuck Colgan’s “Biblical Justice” For The Retarded
By Greg L | 24 October 2007 | 29th VA Senate | 50 Comments
So far there’s no indication that Senator Colgan intends to re-introduce legislation that will permit mental health staff to inflict corporal punishment using straps and paddles on retarded children.
From the archives of the Washington Post:
Legislator To Drop Bill On Spanking Retarded
By Sandra G. Boodman
Washington Post Staff WriterRICHMOND, Feb 17 (1983) — Virginia state Sen. Charles Colgan (D-Prince William), facing what he called “an overwhelming outpouring of opposition” announced today that he would withdraw his controversial bill that would allow the staff of a home for mentally retarded youths near Charlottesville to spank the children.
Since opposition to the bill surfaced during a legislative committee meeting Tuesday, Colgan and other lawmakers have been deluged with telephone calls, telegrams and letters from mental health groups and angry citizens who urged the bill be defeated. Until then its passage seemed assured.
The measure, which unanimously passed the Senate without debate earlier this month, would have granted the Mennonite-run Faith Mission Home an exemption from state law that bans corporal punishment in state-licensed institutions. The Mennonites had pleaded that unless they were permitted to deliver “biblical discipline”, they would be forced to close the home.
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LOL! Where did you find THIS! Just unbelievable.
How low can you go? What does this article have to do with the current elections?
How odd that bvbl appears to be on the side of the ACLU. My but politics does make strange bedfellows.
So you have to go back 24 years to find any dirt on Colgan? For a politician, that makes him near divine!
I had always had high hopes for BVBL. Instead it looks like it is becoming just a repository for outdated partisan opposition research.
Ok, Greg, I have to say that this IS a stretch. Personally, I see nothing wrong with Corporal Punishment, especially since it is grounded in the Bible “spare the rod, spoil the child.”
On a different topic. Not saying that it is wrong as I do support it and think that Chris Royse IS the man, but it’s interesting that the banner is “paid for by Corey Stewart” - how often does THAT happen when a politican who is running for office pays for another candidates ad? Seriously, has anyone seen that before? I haven’t.
Corey sure is a good ticketmate!
I think it says a lot about Corey and EVEN MORE about his opinion of his opponent. Now THAT is confidence!!!
Hey, what’s this I have been reading about a rape by a Hispanic male on the Western end of Woodbridge??? Also, I have heard that in EVERY case of staph (?) that was found in Woodbridge schools, the common thread was that the classroom was used as ESOL in the evenings…is there truth to this? if so, has someone contacted the local church’s as well???
Greg, you do realize you’re violating copyright law by posting the PDF of the WaPo article on your site, right? ProQuest has the right to reproduce. You, on the other hand, do not (as clearly stated on the footer of each page).
So in addition to dredging up something over 24 years old I guess the “rule of law” is flexible?
John Light,
John Light said on 24 Oct 2007 at 10:39 pm:
On a different topic. Not saying that it is wrong as I do support it and think that Chris Royse IS the man, but it’s interesting that the banner is “paid for by Corey Stewart” - how often does THAT happen when a politican who is running for office pays for another candidates ad? Seriously, has anyone seen that before? I haven’t.
I have had this VERY discussion going on for at least an hour. I wanted to educate myself before I commented. I asked is this standard practice?
I NOTICED IT RIGHT OFF.
Question number 2: How is it that someone that is in such heated water over using the discretionary TAX payer dollars on the controversial mailer allowed or WOULD use ( IF allowed) money from their own campaign.
I will start with that as it is late, I am tired, I have already been trying to RESEARCH answers before just at will commenting.
Your headline makes it sound as if it’s happening now. You are surely scraping bottom now (but maybe not). Let’s hope nadir has been reached. - Greg, how can you look yourself in the mirror? Don’t you have any self respect? Sure hope you’re not a Sunday school teacher.
Hmm,
By the way that was the second party of my converastions question…copyright violation….. to be continued……
Say, whats it take to get politicians classified as “retarded”. Maybe this spanking thing could work.
mnd - or blog masters.
i support the right of parents to spank there kids… but NOT if their mentally handicapped
OK. So the rule is Colgan can’t take credit for anything good he’s done long ago, but he must be scrutinized for every little controversial bill he was asked to introduce several years ago?
In regards to campaign finance laws, it’s not unusual for one campaign to make an in-kind contribution to another. In this case, Corey wanted to lend some support to Chris Royse, and this sort of cross-candidate support is not at all unusual. Think of it as an endorsement, with a whopping $10 attached to it.
In regards to copyright law, I’m not aware that I’m violating any copyright. If the copyright holder contacts me and asserts an infringement claim, I’ll consider a request to take down any copyrighted material. I believe my use of this material falls under “fair use” provisions of copyright law.
While this is an old legislative initiative, it’s by no means out of bounds to talk about a candidate’s record, just as it’s not wrong to talk about how Colgan tried to make Virginia’s state song about Missouri a long time ago. When did it become wrong to talk about the legislation that a candidate introduced when he was in the office he is currently seeking re-election for? Everything else Colgan is talking about in his mailers is old news, and he’s trying to smear Fitzsimmonds for work he didn’t do for Cuccinelli back in 2002.
Why am I the only one who can’t talk about a candidate’s past? Is it because some folks are uncomfortable with what I have to say?
Not that John Light is a racist or anything, but hear about the Hispanic male rapist and staph infection was found in ESOL class rooms — I heard it, I heard it. You people are racists and idiots. And those are your strong points.
Anonyomus 11:49,
Believe NOT what you hear and half of what you see. Although I say that, your comment to those that do read , see and comment would agree with me saying , you skipped a beat. Go back and READ, SEE.
One more thing before I go to bed Anonymous at 11:49,
As YOU would not want to be GENERALIZED, the bloggers on this thread are not to be generalized. This blog is open to ANYONE who may wish to comment.
Hmmm…this is interesting, but does it mean that Colgan will have a mailer about FitzSimmond’s interest in [combating] porn?
That was only five years ago so maybe it isn’t old enough? I know that he spent a lot of time viewing porn that he FOIA’d from the county library system. I wonder where this election is headed next. As someone who claims to be a Christian I am constantly surprised by Bob and how he handles himself because it surely doesn’t represent his reported faith very well.
Let’s face it, Bob has lost three elections now and this is his fourth right? (House of Delegates in Charlottesville and then this seat 1999, 2003, and once more….)
[Ed note: comment edited.]
Anonymous at 11:59,
One more thing, it is not about hate,etc., I feel it is about MISCOMMUNICATION and could not myself go to bed with out posting this to help you out. ( it starts of with someone posting the stroy of the the invader found in the early morning hours of a 10year olds bedroom, whom the television reported to be Hispanic)
Keep searching
This is from the thread: Congress tries……
# redawn said on 24 Oct 2007 at 6:15 pm:
Madmom & Lafayette,
This is my number one reason and concern with the bunk houses, that are advertised by PROPPED open storm doors. The nomadic following this brings to our neighborhoods. There are a lot of storm doors propped open around that neighborhood, drive and take a look for yourself.
I want to make the clear distinction, that we do not know if the perp was illegal or not as the description is vague and very little.
I just want to prove the point of the dangers of the people that let nomads in to rent a room for a night are contributing to the unsafe conditions of our children and community, they are also putting themselves at risk.
It can be ANYONE renting these rooms for the night. How do they know they are not rapist, people on the run for murder, etc.
You can’t judge a book by it’s cover and the people that would have to resort to finding a place to lay their head at night this way should be an indicator.
Madmom,
There is a public website to check on cases. You will not be able to check juvenile and domestic cases online, you need to go to the courthouse.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/
# madmom said on 24 Oct 2007 at 6:51 pm:
Lafayette,
You can bet I will be out with the composite drawing to every house on my street and on Alleghany. I need to find out the house number of the family involved so I do NOT knock on their door. I can’t imagine what they are going through.
If you’d like to join me, I’ll hit your neighborhood with you, too. Maybe we should put the drawing up on every telephone pole and every propped open storm door!!
redawn,
Thanks for the information. I am trying to find out the name of the SOB who raped my friend and didn’t show up to court. (duh)
# redawn said on 24 Oct 2007 at 7:03 pm:
Madmom,
To find out the name of someone who did that very, very horrid act against your friend ( my sympathies are with her) could have also used and aka, what are the chances with all this identity fraud that you can see clearly reported in our paper.
Also, I think that it is a great idea to walk and post the possible sketch of the suspect in and all around the neighborhoods. With that said, I hate to say, there are MORE and MORE of missing child posters etc., all over our area. That alone says something and it is NOT to be tolerated.
It could have been you,your child, like your friend, a family member…..
# Dolph said on 24 Oct 2007 at 7:41 pm:
Madmom,
He can be found because someone knows something. I was involved back in the late 70’s with the Irongate rape case of a 3 year old. The rapist was caught because of a tip given to police at a community meeting that the residents held. The police were there along with various community leaders. Hundreds of people showed up. No one likes rapists.
It took a great deal of work between police, a reporter from MJM, and the community, but the perp was found. What happened after that is another story for another day.
This story makes me as sick today as the one did many years ago.
Lafayette and Redawn both know how to contact me if I can help you with this problem.
It is imperative that we know who our neighbors are. We need to get the nomads out of here for the safety of our communities. I don’t really care about their status or ethnicity. I care that no one knows who they are or anything about them. We all might as well live next door to homeless shelters. This is a job that the BOCS needs to tackle immediately.
It’s amazing where a thread about a 24 year old Colgan bill leads, isn’t it?
It is the difference in an objectively reported story and the National Inquirer.
Spin Spin Spin.
I have always felt if a candidate is that bad, then speaking the absolute truth about them without spin and taking what they say out of context ,should suffice. If you need to spin and distort, then the candidate you are left-handledly endorsing is weak.
It is also the reason I no longer particpate in campaigns. I feel most candidates and their managers are morally bankrupt in this regard.
Krutis,
Are you reading a rape against a 10 year old? This is important NEWS for those of us that have, and/or care about children. There really needs to be a thread on this rape!! Greg I’m sure will have something on it soon.
Why do you even bother to come on bvbl? Other than to piss most off.
Do you not think this is NOTEWORTHY news? This rape happened just a 10 minute walk from a fair amount of us(regular posters) live!!
Are you really that HEARTLESS? I keep the ignore button you. However, I feel pretty strongly about a 10 old being violated in such a manner. I think most do. Hell, I even think you could see this.
Get a grip, or get lost!!
Lafayette - I feel exactly like you, but I feel it should have its own thread. What I did was simply to point out how a thread starts with a certain subject and then grows into something totally different. -
It most certainly is NOTEWORTHY news. It’s a horrible, horrible thing that happened, and I hope the brute who committed that crime will be found and brought to justice. I’m far from heartless, I’m rather a softie. ( At least I have been accused of that by some of the bloggers, but on another subject). I have children and grandchildren I love, and I’m stand-in grandparent to some of the little ones in my neighborhood. I’m with 100%!!!!!
I’m with YOU 100%!
Krutis,
Well, we’ve agreed openly now, what twice? That shows openmindedness, and that’s something that is certainly lacking on here from time to time. I really couldn’t have imagined you would think this wasn’t newsworthy.
I do know Greg will have something up soon. I’ve forwarded him details on the media coverage, and nothing in MJM for two days. I have a several friends that live just 10-15 houses from this crime scene. BTW-Do you live in PWC?
I hope to see all of the comments already posted on the new thread. We must have a central location for this to keep the information updated by all concerned. I’m sure we’ll see you there.
All threads can get off topic, and guilty myself. The issues at hand so often getting you thinking about other things, and comments go up. Freedom of speech, and isn’t great? I love it!
Take care!
Just stupid.
Lafayette,
Did Redawn say there is a composite sketch of this predator?
If there is, we need a link to it and Greg needs to post something about this especially with all the gang graffitti we’ve been seeing lately.
“Why am I the only one who can’t talk about a candidate’s past? Is it because some folks are uncomfortable with what I have to say?”
1)If you were consistantly factual it would be acceptable.
2) If the structure of your arguements were consistant it would be acceptable
You swing more than Hiliary -
If this is one on the best shots the rabid right can throw
at Senator Colgan, then he is in great shape for
re-election.
Greg, where oh where are you this morning? I hope you
aren’t over there holding the sheriff’s hand. Where are your
comments re the escape yesterday? Certainly the rape of
the little girl (in Yorkshire?) is of utmost importance, so let’s
have some information, please.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html
OK, you want to talk about a 24 year-old issue? Fine.
Colgan’s bill was to allow a religious institution to follow what it believed were “Biblically-guided” practices for children in their care (”Spare the rod, spoil the child.”). It was a single exemption for one state-licensed institution based on the tenets of religious freedom. The Commissioner of Mental Health and Mental Retardation at the time supported the measure. The Senate had already passed the bill unanimously.
The bill actually was intended to get this Mennonite facility into the state licensing program. The facility was running unlicensed. They were already using spanking, a belt, and paddle for discipline. The bill would have set limits on when the *existing* practice could be used and actually would have *limited* when, where, and how corporal punishment could be used in the home. In other words, the bill would have worked to RESTRICT not PERMIT corporal punishment.
So, Chuck Colgan sponsors a bill (on the request of a Manassas parent with a child in the facility) that would have actually IMPROVED the conditions in the facility and you want to spin that as “Colgan Supports Beating Retarded Kids.”
And Fair Use under the Copyright laws usually frowns upon reproduction of the whole article. Quoting from it and using pieces is OK, but wholesale reproduction is usually a no-no.
Oh SNAP!
TC: I take it you watch “My Name is Earl” - lol
Anonymous said on 24 Oct 2007 at 11:49 pm:
“Not that John Light is a racist or anything”
Not that “Anonymous” doesn’t have a pair to post by its (obviously this person was neutered at a young age and thus holds a grudge against life) own name.
As far as copyright is concerned, I would think that Greg is correct here, otherwise no one (read bloggers) could link to the appropriate source when discussing items in the newspaper. Besides, this would be akin to showing newspaper reports of Senator Byrd of WVa attending one of his KKK meetings back in the day.
That Damn Chuck Colgan trying to give parents and a religious institution the right to follow their beliefs. I am so glad that the ACLU, Greg and Bob Fitzsimmonds are here to protect us from ourselves.
Greg, I sure hope you and Bob intend to use this in your continuing campaign to smear one of the finest public servants this area has ever known. I typically vote straight R and Colgan. However after the way the Republican Party has engaged in character assassination on Chuck Colgan, I am pulling all D’s this time, even for Roamelt. If Miller, Marshall, McQuigg and others don’t have the guts to stand up and say this is wrong they should be voted out.
I was wondering how far you would have to go to find something in Colgan, you went really far. I guess this proves you will go to any lengths to destroy someone who doesn’t share all of your ideals.
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It may be old news about Colgan, but at the debate (com. of 100) the only anti-illegal legislation Colgan could dredge up was something he signed in 1977 - 30 years ago. The spin is much more fine-tuned these days.
Why doesn’t he just want to spend his golden years with his family? And, give someone else a shot.
Don’t Understand,
I think it has been said on this blog many times. Bob Fitzsimmonds is a nasty individual and Colgan is not going to turn this community over to such a person without a fight. He tried to get Republicans, Dems and Indepentdants to run for the seat. Nobody wanted to get abused, lied about slimmed but a grease ball like Bob Fitzsimmonds.
Besides as Chairman on finance he would be the most powerful man on the sate. He who controls the purse strings controls the state.
Anonymous, Why on earth are you compelled to stoop to
such denigrating comments as the one you just used about
Bob Fitzsimmonds? Come on, you must have better use of
the vocabulary, admit it.
Oh great! First, I’m retarded; then, they’re going to beat the crap out of me!
Strange, some of the people seem to think that something from the past should not be brought up! I got an idea, let’s all forget that Pearl Harbor happened! Let’s all forget the Holocaust happened! Let’s forget the World Trade Center ever happened! If you deny the past, you will suffer again and again.
What he did then was wrong and should not even be considered, when there are more important things than one groups wish for special treatment…..
By the way, best read up on the Mennonites, then it even sounds stranger!
From Wikipedia.com
“The Mennonites are a group of Christian Anabaptist denominations named after Menno Simons (1496-1561), though his teachings were a relatively minor influence on the group. As one of the historic peace churches, Mennonites are committed to nonviolence, nonviolent resistance/reconciliation, and pacifism.”
NONVIOLENT?
Gone Fishing,
Check the facts, Bob Fitzsimmonds is a lying slim ball.
Chuck Colgan has served this community for more than 30 years. Fitzsimmonds overs the amount of money he took from developers by oh 9 times. He is not a creditable canidate.
Bob Fitzsimmonds is by no means a “slim” ball….I think we all can agree on that!