Colgan Endorses Abortion In Recent Mailer
By Greg L | 26 October 2007 | 29th VA Senate | 69 Comments
This is part of a campaign mailer sent out by Chuck Colgan today (click here to see the whole thing) that again complains about Bob Fitzsimmond’s positions, based not on what work he has done in the past, but for what Senator Ken Cuccinelli did after Bob Fitzsimmonds stopped working for him. What’s worse is that Colgan, who has always been thought of as a pro-life Democrat by voters in the 29th District, is now apparently endorsing the “pro-choice” policy position.
Does Colgan want to throw this election, or what? This isn’t the kind of campaigning you see from an eleven turn incumbent. You don’t see someone with this kind of political experience tell voters during a debate that the solution to school overcrowding is “birth control”. You don’t see slapdash mailers that wrongly hold Fitzsimmonds responsible for votes that Ken Cuccinelli took after Fitzsimmonds stopped working for him. You certainly don’t see a challenger raise nearly as much money as a longtime incumbent. And never, ever do you see an experienced politician decide that twelve days out from the election for term number twelve that he’s going to switch from opposing abortion to supporting it.
Colgan pretty clearly didn’t want to run for re-election and failed to recruit someone else to take on Bob Fitzsimmonds for him. Now he’s running a campaign chock-full of rookie mistakes, far less than the performance one would expect from the such a senior elected official. This underwhelming effort is suspiciously intentional, which only leaves one question: if Chuck Colgan somehow manages to win this race, how long will it be before he announces a mid-term retirement?
H/T: Citizen Tom
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Tonight Colgan was campaigning with Russ “2%” Potts. Potts is responsible for killing several of the proposed pro-life reforms in recent years.
Vote Pro-Life, Vote FitzSimmonds.
Chuck Colgan is not endorsing abortion. This is pure spin. Chuck Colgan has always been a moderate pro-life senator.
I am glad to see him take a stronger postion against anti-abortion extremists who want to make deeply personal decisions for everyone else.
I feel like Billy Boy and my household will produce the power of 4.
The flyer that came to my house attacking Fitzsimmons is anti-life. I called the Colgan campaign and asked if the Senator was still pro-life. I was told that he was and that the flyer was from the Virginia Democratic Party and not Colgan. I explained to the campaign worker that an 81 year old senior senator from the Democratic party should be in control of his own campaign and that I, as a voter, took the flyer as Colgan’s abandonning the pro-life cause and joining those who believe that killing unborn babies should be viewed as a highly personal choice in which the government should play no role in protecting the weakest and most defenseless members of the human race.
I know that the literature in which Colgan attacks Fitzsimmons for being pro-life is being distributed widely in pro-life circles. There are many highly religious people in this district who believe that voting for a politician who supports unfettered abortion makes the voter complicit in the resulting deaths of the pre-born babies. They will not vote for such a politician.
The only way for Colgan to retain these voters is to very publicly and very explicitly distance himself from the democrats.
[…] Colgan campaign is blaming (see comments) the mailing, and presumably the many recent attacks on Fitzsimmonds, on the state […]
Where does Bob really stand on the abortion issue?
What about Rape and Incest (abortions due to)?
What about the morning after pill?
What about the morning after pill due to Rape or Incest?
Greg,
Please get that You Tube of the Colgan Fitzsimmonds debates posted. Some Colgan Disciples need to face reality.
Colgan is not as pro-life as some would believe.
I can’t understand how good people in this community have turned a blind eye to what Colgan does and says. It seems like he would be able to get away with murder. It amazes me how gullible people can really be.
If you want something done about illegal aliens in our community then vote for Bob Fitzsimmonds. If you vote for Colgan then you have no right to get on this blog and complain about illegal aliens.
If you don’t like the gang activity, the murders and the rapes then you better vote for Bob Fitzsimmonds because he will do something about illegal aliens.
If you vote for Colgan then I don’t want to hear your complaints about illegal aliens. You’ll get what you asked for, more of the same - gang activity, murders and rapes.
Patty, I was just wondering how Chuck Colgan is going to face
his confessor? Oh, he’s in for one big chewing out, I would
think!
Yes, Bob Fitzsimmonds is the one who will help us out of this
illegal alien mess. I also think that voting for Louis Dominguez
will show that we are sick of the gang activity, etc. and want
to eliminate this scurrilous activity from our community…I
just had to get that one in, Patty!
This is awesome. It shows that Colgan is scared and the Bob is on the verge of pulling a huge upset. Colgan is desparate for Kaine/DPV money, and the only way you can get that money is to sell your soul to the extremist, every woman should have an abortion wing of the party (not really a wing, more like the foundation).
dolph @12:53
Uh Oh…you have just “outed” Billy Boy!
Colgan would have been much better off if he had a way to keep DPVA mail out of this campaign, which I don’t like. Their stupid mail in target races has been a disaster this year in every other campaign they are trying to help in too, which I DO like.
Part of the abortion argument that the “pro-choice” crowd does not like to address is the funding issue. I mean, yeah, you can be “pro-choice” and keep the taxpayers out of it (which some might view as libertarian), or you can take the official Democratic Party view which is that not only should abortion be unrestricted, legal, and available, but the government should fund it repeatedly for those who claim not to be able to afford it (and, of course, for illegal aliens too). With the Dems’ government-funded health care, of course, the government would essentially fund all abortions.
I was wondering with the headline if the mailer came from Colgan or on his behalf from DPVA (like the anti-Cuccinelli ones we get in our box). Maybe you can post the other side of the flyer. Does it say that it was “approved” by Colgan at least?
It seems that the DPVA is seriously lacking in adult supervision.
I don’t know what that means, but I don’t beleive I have been outed, nothing to out.
The facts are clear Colgan is now and has always been Pro-life. I agree Colgan would have been better off if he could have kept the DPVA out of his race. However the Republican have given Fitz $200k to challenge Colgan.
Had Colgan even seen the ad it would have to state “approved by”, it does not. He is a victum of friendly fire.
If Cogan is truly pro-life, he needs to clearly and unequivocally disassociate himself from the DPVA flyer and what it says. It is hard to believe that the party’s senior senator cannot control what is sent out with respect to his race for senate.
Billyboy, no disrespect intended here, I assure you. Just
musing about the volley between you and Lafayette and
when dolph mentioned you w/her household, that sort of
gives it away. I hope that Lafayette has read dolph’s comment.
If she has, she’s out of the dark now about Billyboy’s identity.
Gone Fishing,
Sorry, I don’t know Dolph and not sure she knows me, I actually was unclear as to Dolph’s gender until just now. But we do sure seem to have a lot in common.
Ron, the mailer would have to by law indicate “approved by” if Colgan saw and/or approved it’s content. I am not sure the dumb a___ at the DPVA even know Chuck Colgan’s view on abortions. The mailer clearly says NOT APPROVED BY THE CANIDATE OR HIS COMMITEE.
Chuck Colgan is Pro-life. He and Fitzsimmonds are not far apart on the issue. I am not sure about eithers position on cases Rape and Incest. If they differ I think that would be the only issue.
Chris “I’m a Catholic ” Brown is doing the same thing to Jeff Frederick.
Gone Fishing,
You misread my comments. Billyboy has nothing to do with my household. I do not know him and I do not believe he knows me. I was agreeing with him about the comment he made about voting in another thread.
Sorry Billyboy. I did not mean to imply anything about you other than your comments about Senator Colgan.
Lafayette knows I do not know Billy Boy.
Sorry, Dolph….I completely misread your comment and I
apologize to both you and “Billyboy”.
Gone Fishing,
Accepted. I have no problem with Billy Boy but he probably doesn’t want to be accused of being my husband or my son.
Billy Boy and Gone Fishing,
After re-reading my middle of the night comment, I can see where the confusion came from. Sorry to both of you all for any misunderstanding, especially to poor Billy Boy. I am sure he doesn’t want to be accused of being one of my crazy household.
Dolph, I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Don’t be so hard on
yourself.
Lafayette and I are waiting to get Billyboy’s take on the
sheriff’s race, but thus far he’s been as mum as Greg on the
subject.
And I am with Lafayette on the sheriff’s race. Grin
Gone Fishing,
I know Mr. D. from his days at the hospital and when he lived in West Gate. I like him but don’t think he has what it’s going to take to beat Hill. I will likely vote for Louis. Lafayette actually drove me in that direction. I thought Hill was doing a relatively good job. Unfortunately I got a speeding ticket, went to court and the Deputies treated everyone like hardened criminals. I think public servants, need to show some respect for those of us tax payers who pay their salaries.
Lafayette had made a comment on bvbl several days earlier about going to the court house often and how troublesome it had become. After going myself I could not agree more.
By the way, I think Greg got his hand smacked for endorsing Nichols over Gill. You see in the GOP you have to agree with the party or your out.
If Colgan were truly Pro-Life, he wouldn’t associate with a political party which prevents any meaningful Pro-Life legislation from being considered. His vote for a Democrat Majority Leader is a vote against Pro-Life legislation. It’s long past the time when Pro-Lifers allowed him to pay mere lip service to their cause when his back-room behavior does harm to it.
I should not be the only person in PWC driving around with a “DUMP COLGAN” bumper sticker. Get yours today at “Makestickers.com.”
From everything I know about Senator Colgan, he votes his personal beliefs rather than ideology of any movement. I respect that more than a person who sits there with a check list to appease the followers of some group.
Billyboy, I couldn’t agree more (agreeing with the party) and
as a Republican, I can honestly admit that at times I have
crossed the line (like voting for Colgan) Hill has never really
been a true Republican (until he decided to run for sheriff).
Louis is not a Republican, but he has my vote. I will not be
crossing that line again to vote for Colgan, that’s for sure.
I can’t for the life of me understand why, with all the hanky-
panky going on at the sheriff’s office would folk opt to vote to
keep this going for another 4 years.
I am happy to hear that Dolph (and you perhaps) will be
voting to rid the courthouse of the bad behavior which is so
prevelant. At least, Louis looks you in the eye when talking to
you.
Billyboy,
Thanks for the clarification on the mailer. Since I did not receive it (because I do not live in PWC), and that side of the mailer was not posted, I didn’t know.
re: Dolph 12:53 am
‘I am glad to see him take a stronger postion against anti-abortion extremists who want to make deeply personal decisions for everyone else.’
I would like to retract my own statement. Chuck Colgan did not take this postion. I WOULD LIKE to see him take a stronger position against anti-abortion extremists who want to make deeply personal decisions for everyone else. While he has not done so, he still will get the power of 4 from my house because of his past achievements in the senate representing our area.
Chuck Colgan’s name is not on the political flyer highlighting this thread. I had not seen the actual flyer. Now it is in my hand, I revise my middle of the night statement. That will teach me to respond to an issue based on what I read on this blog. I need to get the facts first.
Chuck Colgan’s approach to advancing pro-life legislation is very similar to George Allen’s approach when he was Governor — finding the areas where you can realistically get something done about it legislatively. Rather than a shrill “all or nothing” approach, reality dictates that sometimes you have to do things incrementally in Richmond to accomplish your goals. In Colgan’s case, he goes about it by forming a majority with those who will help advance the needed improvements in Virginia law to finally make abortions rare in Virginia.
Chuck Colgan IS now and has always been pro-life during his entire political career. His deeply held pro-life convictions are common knowledge around Prince William County and have been since I was a little kid. If you think differently you’ve either been hood-winked by badly researched and written campaign mail or you’ve just dropped into Prince William County from Mars on your spaceship.
- Chuck Colgan and Jackson Miller are experienced
state legislators who have also served in local
goverment. They know how to get things done and,
especially in Chuck’s case, will have the benefit
of seniority to help accomplish the goals of our
community.
- Bob Fitzsimmons and Jeanette Rishell have never
served a day in public office at any level and,
in comparison, are poorly qualified to perform the
positions they seek. Their core skill, so far,
seems to losing every election they enter.
- Vote for Excellence and Experience.
Vote Colgan and Miller
The Fitzimmonds, Marshall, Lingamfelter, Cucinelli, O’Brien, Frederick position on abortion is clear — never except when the life of the woman is at stake. Otherwise, it is murder. And, at least some of them regard birth control that prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg as abortion, i.e., the birth control pill. Now Colgan has always been moderately pro-life. Most people are either moderately pro-choice or moderately pro-life. Our merry band of anti-choice fanatics listed above do a lot of dog whistle politics, but tend not to put a lot of emphasis on those particular views when not speaking to their base. DPVA is just calling them on it. So, you guys can have the fanatic anti-abortion votes, that gets you about 20%. Colgan will go after the rest.
What does Golgan have to “distance himself” from? No where on the mailer does it claim Chuck Colgan is pro-choice or for unfettered access to government-funded abortions. All it states are the positions Bob FitzSimmonds is on record for supporting. The leap you all are making is that a position mailer from the DPVA about Bob FitzSimmonds somehow sets Chuck Colgan’s positions in stone. I’d rather rely on the man’s actual record than a nuanced assumption made based on a sound bite mailer.
Colgan’s record is pretty clear on this. I don’t think a single mailer changes that. If anything, it is pro-choice voters who should feel duped by this mailer. FitzSimmonds is so far to the right on this issue that pro-choice voters need to cast their ballot for Colgan (who certainly is NOT a banner-bearer for the pro-choice Virginians).
“never except when the life of the woman is at stake. Otherwise, it is murder.”
This statement does three things:
1) Puts the value of life of the mother higher than that of the embryo. (Why not let it go to term, and not interfere with God’s plan?)
2) Introduces the concept that exceptions can be made based on presumptive reasoning of evidence (How can doctors be sure the mother will die? What of divine intervention?)
3) Recognizes abortion as a medical procedure.
Given this, and given that doctors take courses in medical ethics, why not treat an abortion as any other medical procedure. If it is contraindicated for the particular case it can be adjudicated in a court of law, either as malpractice or wrongful death. We don’t laws specific to abortion any more than laws specific to breast enlargement.
oops
We don’t NEED laws specific to abortion any more than laws specific to breast enlargement.
Dolph
I hate to pop your ballon but Colgan would vote for a pro-choice candidate based on democratic ideology than on someone who is pro-life. I heard him say that at the debate (by the way the big time pro-choice people were there and cheering for him, Colgan). So in effect he is pro-choice since he would vote for a pro-choice democrat.
Gullible, Gullible, Gullible, Guillible. Oh, if I had a penny for every fabrication Chuch Colgan spews out of his mouth that people believe. I would be rich!
I suppose if Colgan told you that the sky was green with pink stripes, you would believe him.
Advocator,
Where did you say one could get a Dump Colgan sticker?
@Peter:
1) It is. A mother is a fully functional, sentient, independent person with rights and an identity. A fetus is, ultimately, a blob-of-cells that for a long part of its gestation has no significant neural network, is not conscious, has no identity or personhood, and may not even turn into a human being. It has the potential to one day become a person. Hey, I have the potential to knock up Kathy Ireland, but that doesn’t mean I should or will.
2) “Presumptive reasonings of evidence” are used consciously to make medical decisions, investment decisions, decisions about going to war (which ends up killing actual people), decisions about how to live one’s life. But doctors make these decisions all the time: treatment X has this possible outcome but these risks, whereas treatment Y has these outcomes and risks. Your point is meaningless.
3) It is.
The very last thing we need is another anti-abortion fruitcake in government. I’m really sorry that some of you have a problem understanding how to not interfere in other people’s lives. But just because you subscribe to some warped moral outlook, quit forcing your delusions on the rest of us.
Or, I’ll be willing to make you a deal. See, my wife and I have no intention of ever having kids. If an “accident” were to occur, it’s off to the friendly neighborhood abortionist for her. Now, you’re more than welcome to outlaw abortion, as long as you’re willing to pay all her medical expenses while she’s pregnant, buy her maternity wear, recompense her for lost wages, recompense us for emotional distress, etc. What, not interested? Then sit down and STFU.
Turn PW Blue - We also have Colgan’s own words to incriminate him. At the Committee of 100 debate he was asked “given a choice between a pro-life candidate and a pro-choice one who would you vote for. He said he might vote for a pro-choice candidate. Bob FitzSimmonds said he would not vote for a pro-choice candidate. A “true” pro-lifer could not compromise and vote for a pro-choice candidate. Therefore, Colgan is NOT pro-life.
@ Dude
“exceptions can be made based on presumptive reasoning of evidence”
The point was that they are making an exception to the moral argument against abortion, not that there is a concept of presumptive reasoning.
If they were true to the moral/religious view no exception would be allowed. If not true to that argument, they are merely controlling someone else’s business and advancing there own selective interpretation of religious beliefs.
I agree with everything else you post, except your potential to knock up Kathy Ireland.
Thanks G Man!
I sure wish Greg could get a hold of that debate and post it. Eyes would get opened except for the ones who belong to the Chuck Colgan cult.
G-Man –
I would and I have voted for Pro-choice candidates over Pro-life candidates and I am a “true” Pro-lifer and all this convenient rationalization and parsing of terms to suit your short-term electoral purposes can’t change that.
G-Man (and others)…
Could the fact that he said he would “maybe” vote for a pro-choice candidate mean that he is a man who looks at more than one issue when determining how to cast his ballot?
Let me give you a pure hypothetical…
To candidates running for office. One (Candidate A) says he’s for raising taxes and wants to “get guns off our street.” Candidate A is staunchly pro-life.
Candidate B is a strong proponent of gun rights. Has a record of fighting illegal immigration. Believes in limiting the size of government. Candidate B he’d support a pro-choice candidate who agrees with him on everything else over a pro-life candidate who doesn’t (say one like Candidate A).
Who do you vote for? Elections are about more than a single issue (or at least they should be). Rarely are we offered a candidate who meets each and every one of our criteria for perfection. Some times you must make concessions.
My guess is that Colgan was being pretty honest and straightforward when he said he could vote for a pro-choice candidate. I think it’s irrational to boil down an election like this (or any election for tha t matter) to one issue (whether it’s abortion, illegal immigration, taxes, transportation, etc.).
Bob Fitzsimmonds would endorse a Pro-Choice Canidate if they are Republican, he has signed a pledge which requires him to
do so. Fitzsimmonds asked the question at the debate about Colgan endorsing Senator Ken Cuccinelli opponent. Cuccinelli
is an obstructionist leglistator who own agenda is more important than the business of the State, Fitz would be no different. Cuccinelli endorsed Fitzsimmonds, so what Colgan should endorse Cuccinelli. We need someone in Richmond with a realistic approach, Fitzsimmonds is not that guy.
Life begins at the moment of conception, that is Chuck’s position. He is not an extremelist and will not tie abortion amendments to every budget amendment just to grand stand.
Once again, Turn PW Blue brings reason into what is rapidly digressing into an emotional, mean-spirited discourse.
As the election draws closer, I am seeing the sheep’s clothing shed on so many levels. I understand the schtick much more than some folks would like. I also didn’t just fall off the political turnip truck. Bullying and name calling certainly aren’t going to get me to change my votes nor the’ power of 4’ in this household. In fact, it has had the opposite effect.
While illegal immigration is a serious issue in this region, it is not the only issue. Education, transportation, and responsible growth remain on the front burner for many of us. I am not going to box myself in by voting for people I consider extremist just over this one issue or any other single issue.
Gone Fishing,
Call Chuck Colgan and discuss your concerns about immigration You seem to have known him or his family for a long time. If nothing else he is an honest man. Ask him the truth about his voting record. You may find your view has been clowded by the hard core Republican Agenda that lies below the HSM surface. His home and office numbers are listed.
I hope HSM will purge itself from that agenda and become a legitimate civic organization. The cause is truly a good one.
Thanks, Dolph.
Now, if we could just get Greg to realize how disingenuous the headline to this post is, we will have gotten somewhere. Note that no where in this mailer does Chuck Colgan endorse abortion. No where in the debate did he endorse abortion.
Billyboy, I honestly believe that HSM is a legit civic organization
with a worthy cause. As for your suggestion that I call Chuck
Colgan about his stand on illegal immigration, based on your
perception that I have known the Colgan family for a long time,
well, I haven’t. However, I have seen enough literature placed
in my mailbox to know that Mr Colgan has flip-flopped on some
issues and is now riding on the band wagon created by Bob F.
My view hasn’t been clouded by the Rep agenda and it has
nothing with the philosophy of HSM.
BTW, I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out The Dude’s
acronym “STFU” (@3:55). I am still laughing!
Is this a great site, or what?
Gone Fishing,
I had to cheat and look it up. Thanks The Dude, for some new vocab!
You guys crack me up!! Isn’t George W Bush and the Republican Party Responsible for Immigration? Didn’t your boys Reagan, and George W Bush support Amnesty???? Come on now, those are the cold hard facts.
said this in 1979…
Customs and Immigration are in a sense token services. Any plausible-looking person can find many ways to come and go unimpeded. Anything that can be flown or floated can be brought in or taken out. We are a wide place in the road in the middle of the world, and they wander through, back and forth, marveling at the lack of restraints. It is … a paradox. The openness which endangers our system is the product of the policy which says that to close our borders and enforce all our rules and back them up with guns would change the system just as completely as any alien force.
Wasn’t that well into the Reagan era?
I look around me and just picture George Bush’s nephew George P. Bush ( Jeb’s Boy) saying “viva la Bush” I had no idea what he intended to do to our neighborhoods. If I had I would not have voted for him twice.
As for Colgan flip flopping that is such a crock. Bob Fitzsimonds is the one who told people he was for amnesty not 6 months ago. Greg and Corey Stewart dragged him tho the right side of the issue. 90% of the time Chuck Colgan has voted the way I would on immigration. UNlike Fitzsimmonds he tells the truth.
I have a question. Colgan voted to make it illegal for an illegal
alien to get a drivers license. Then they voted to make illegal
aliens check a box that said they are illegal when get a drivers license to make sure they could not vote. Okay well if they can’t get a drivers license they cannot use motor voter.
Gone Fishing, sorry I assumed you knew the Colgan family.
Billy Boy,
Bob answered that question at the debate. He said he would vote for a pro-life candidate. You either are lying about being at the debate or you are so brainwashed by Colgan that you didn’t hear what he really said.
Boy, and I thought Rev. Jim Jones was good at brainwashing.
So I guess you are a charter member of the Colgan Cult.
Hey Billy Boy, why don’t you prop open your screen door at night and see who comes knocking….especially around 11:00 pm and after. Do you have the guts to do it? And when these “El Salvardoran legals” (as ol’ Chuck likes to call them) show up, you can thank Chuck Colgan. They should know ol’ Chuck real well since he says he converses with them on a regular basis.
I guess you would still vote for Chuck Colgan even if he was holding a gun to our heads. And he really is holding a gun to our head because he has done NOTHING about ILLEGAL ALIENS and he will continue to DO NOTHING ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS.
If any of you out there would like something done about illegal aliens VOTE BOB FITZSIMMONDS because he will do something and not just say it.
Patty,
Oh I know what Bob said. I also know less than 6 months ago he told a friend in Bramear he was for Amnesty. Tell me, is it the Bush administration that allowed 500,000 El Salvadorian nationals to have their visa repeatedly extended. The original visa should have expired in 2001. That ma’am is fact. Chuck Colgan doesn’t have that kind of authority.
Greg is the one passing the kool aide around and you have had plenty. Next year your going to wake up and the resolution will have changed nothing, then who will you be mad at.
Colgan Straight Talk
• I do NOT SUPPORT any increase in the gas tax
• I do NOT SUPPORT allowing in-state tuition for
illegal immigrants
• I do NOT SUPPORT allowing illegal immigrants
to obtain driver’s licenses
• I do NOT SUPPORT allowing employers to hire or retain illegal immigrants
• I do NOT SUPPORT the proposed powerline through western Prince William County
• I do SUPPORT new and stronger laws allowing local governments to get tough on overcrowding and related neighborhood land use issues
• I do SUPPORT increased State funding to train local police to detect and detain illegal immigrants
• I do SUPPORT changing the State transportation funding formula to return more money to our region
• I do SUPPORT new laws giving local governments better tools to manage growth and development
• I do SUPPORT higher teacher pay and smaller class sizes
• I AM Pro-Life
Senator Chuck Colgan
“Colgan Endorses Abortion In Recent Mailer” - Greg/BVBL
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it.” - Goebbels/Nazi
Greg, you are starting to pull Rishells - just making
things up - thought you were better than that.
It certainly seems that the DPVA thinks that Colgan is pro-abotion and that is why they sent out the mailer indicating that abortion rights would be in danger if Fitzsimmons were elected. The folks at DPVA at least think that the election of Colgan would be good for the anti-life cause.
The DPVA is sending out the same time of literature on behalf of Rishell who at the debate stated that the decision to have an abortion was like the decision to go to war, i.e., that it was a decision of deciding whether the unborn child was a dangerous enough enemy to justify killing it. That Colgan is part of this anti-life party indicates to me that he is not serious about being pro-life.
slh,
This is the most ridiculous spin I have ever read. You obviously haven’t seen the flyer or you would know that it was about reproductive rights in general.
Sentator Colgan is not obsessed. You apparently are. He is pro-life. Game over.
BOB has a new endorsment,
The sex offender on Strasburg has a Fitz sign. Maybe they met at a gun show.
Way to go BOB.
Dolph,
I did see the flyer, it came to my house. I know and like Colgan and was nevertheless very offended that flyers were going out on his behalf that were pro-abortion. BTW, when people talk about reproductive rights, they are talking about abortion.
For a delegate, at some point, saying you are pro-life does not mean much if the delegate is no longer willing to do anything about it. I called Colgan’s campaing, and they assured me that Colgan was looking for ways to reassure the pro-life voter that the message from the DPVA did not accurately reflect his views. I have not seen anything yet that reassures me.
slh,
Senator Colgan’s entire voting record reflects a pro-life position. I don’t know anything else the man can do other than stand on his record.
The DPVA flyer did not use Colgan’s name. Colgan did not authorize it.
When I talk about reproductive rights, I do not necessarily mean abortion. Reproductive rights run the entire gamut of reproductive choice which includes when or if to have children, what type of birth control to use, making sure safe reliable birth control is available, having emergency contraception like the morning after pill, and yes, abortion. The list is extensive and my examples certainly are only a sampling of what can be included under the topic of reproductive rights.
Until the 60’s, women had very few reproductive rights and even fewer options. Talk to some of the grandmothers and great-grandmothers. They can tell you some scary stories.
Right wing extremists will not support a mainstream candidate like Senator Colgan, despite his voting record. Fortunately, Senator Colgan has never locked himself into this agenda but has instead, looked to major issues that affect most mainstream Virginians. Education, transportation, state money allocations, are the issues most of us are concerned with and we will continue to support the man with a proven track record– Senator Chuck Colgan.
Who is flip-floping now?
From todays JM
FitzSimmonds denied several of the assertions made in the Democratic ads, including those regarding his position on abortion laws. He said the accusations in the mailing and in television ads are complete fabrications and called on Comcast to “stop airing these lies.”
“Let me be clear, neither I nor my former boss have ever taken a position that women should be arrested for having an abortion …”
Okay so you think abortion should be illegal but people whi have them should not go to jail. So what he advocates amnesty as he did for illegal aliens. Get a grip Bob, stand for something, this is supposed to be your big issue.
Roger Snyder,
how in the heck can you say that Senator Colgan does not support an increase in the gas tax??? I have heard him over and over and over and over say that he wants to increase the gas tax for transportation funding.
I like Senator Colgan very much, but making statements like this borders on the absurd. Do you think people simply never listen all year until election time?
I either agree with or simply dont know about his views on the other 10 bullet points you posted, but to say that he does not agree with an increase in the gas tax goes against everything I have heard the Senator say about this tax for the past couple years.
Mr. Snyder, could you please elaborate or justify your first bullet point that says “I do NOT SUPPORT any increase in the gas tax”.
Unless the Senator changed his position on this last week, I know that this is an un-true statement.
Roger Snyder,
I concur with Colgan voter (maybe). I actually like Colgan but this latest set of “I am” statements are absurd! I know Colgan has been for raising the gas tax to pay for transportation fixes. And I have to say that most of the other statements seem to be of the “week before election” types that he really doesn’t believe but must state to be reelected. Well, not with my vote! Colgan has done a lot for us here in PWC but I am willing to give somebody else I trust a chance to build the same type of resume of service to PWC.
RoyalWillie & Colgan Voter (maybe),
Get real! You have never heard or seen Colgan say he
supports a gas tax on top of the Transportation bill.
Is there a forum with people who will actually listen to the truth?
Anonymous said on 30 Oct 2007 at 11:19 pm:
Okay the “Chuck Colgan Gas Tax” as Bob Fitzsimmonds likes to call it
See the two articles below. One points out Ken Stolle is helping to fund FitzSimmonds campaign. The second shows it is actually the Ken Stolle Gas Tax.
Chichester Supports Democrats In Election
GOP Senator Sends Signal to Conservatives
By Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 18, 2007; Page B01
With Chichester retiring, moderates are being forced to support several conservatives so Republicans can keep their majorities. Chichester’s political organization, now led by Sen. Walter A. Stosch (R-Henrico) and Sen. Kenneth W. Stolle (R-Virginia Beach), is paying for Stall’s campaign manager and making direct contributions to FitzSimmonds.
By CHRISTINA NUCKOLS, The Virginian-Pilot
© February 22, 2007
RICHMOND - Hampton Roads lawmakers hope to announce a regional transportation plan, which could include a gasoline tax, late today or Friday morning.
Legislators warned that final details could still change today as they seek support for their proposal from other members of the House and Senate. The regional plan also is dependent on separate negotiations, which are ongoing, over a statewide plan that would generate money for road construction and maintenance.
Hampton Roads legislators held a morning telephone conference with local government leaders seeking feedback on their proposal.
“My message to them was: ‘I don’t care if you hate this package. This is your opportunity to get transportation this year. If you don’t like components, you can try to come back later and make some changes,’ ” said Sen. Kenneth Stolle, R-Virginia Beach, one of the negotiators on the regional plan.
Stolle predicted a vote on the final road proposal likely will not occur until Saturday - the final day before the General Assembly is scheduled to adjourn for the year.
Norfolk Mayor Paul Fraim and other local officials on the conference call said they favor a regional gas tax of approximately 8 cents per gallon. They asked lawmakers to incorporate a fuel tax in their final proposal and eliminate proposed tax increases on hotel rooms and commercial real estate.
“We really believe the gas tax is the way to go,” Fraim said.
Stolle and other lawmakers said they are sympathetic to local officials’ preferences but will not include a gasoline tax in their plan unless they are certain they can win majority support in the House and Senate.
“There’s a lot of support for it back in the community and there’s growing support among the General Assembly members, but we’re just not there yet,” Stolle said. “I’m not sure we’ll get there by Saturday.”
House Speaker Bill Howell, R-Stafford, has previously resisted proposals to include gasoline and sales taxes in a final transportation deal this year. However, he was careful to avoid criticism when asked about the Hampton Roads idea Wednesday, and noted that his legislative district is included in a regional 2 percent gasoline tax for Northern Virginia.
The Hampton Roads regional authority will need to generate about $200 million annually to pay for top-priority projects, including improvements to U.S. 460 and Interstate 64.
In a letter Wednesday to Stolle and Del. Chris Jones, R-Suffolk, local government leaders said support for a regional transportation authority is uncertain if they are forced to rely on hotel and commercial real estate taxes to pay for road projects.
The proposed regional plan calls for at least six of the 11 Hampton Roads cities and counties to join the transportation authority before it would have the power to raise revenues.
The regional taxes and fees would then be imposed on all the region’s localities.
In their letter to Stolle and Jones, local leaders said they want the law to be changed so that the six affirmative votes should have to include cities that collectively represent 50 percent of the region’s population.
Fraim, who signed the letter on behalf of the cities and counties, said there is broad agreement among local governments that an increase in the hotel tax would be a “poison pill” that could block formation of an authority.
Raising the commercial real estate tax could cost the authority support from some of the region’s largest localities, he said. Virginia Beach officials have been the most vocal critics of the commercial real estate tax increase, but the levy also could have a significant impact on Norfolk’s ability to attract new businesses.
Reach Christina Nuckols at (804) 697-1562 or christina.nuckols@pilotonline.com.
Anonymous, 30 Oct 2007 at 11:00 pm
“Get real! You have never heard or seen Colgan say he
supports a gas tax on top of the Transportation bill.”
What are you talking about??!!
Colgan sponsored legislation that would have increased the gas and diesel taxes by 7 cents per gallon. ( SB 357 , 2004) Colgan voted for an additional 5% tax on gasoline. (2/17/06 Floor Vote on SB 708 , 2/14/06 Finance Vote on SB 708) Colgan said “I would place a 5-percent sales tax on the wholesale price of gasoline and diesel fuel.” (Gainesville Times) “Colgan said a gas tax would be a much simpler way to raise money for roads.”( 7/27/07 Potomac News )