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	<title>Comments on: Did Help Save Manassas Just Save Taxpayers Millions?</title>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35971</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35971</guid>
		<description>Lafayette, of course I have! In fact, there seem to be some on this blog...you know...the ones that talk a lot of nonsense (we all know who they are). The reason they get all crazy is because I am lifting up their smoke screen that they have been hiding under all this time. That is when they start calling people names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lafayette, of course I have! In fact, there seem to be some on this blog&#8230;you know&#8230;the ones that talk a lot of nonsense (we all know who they are). The reason they get all crazy is because I am lifting up their smoke screen that they have been hiding under all this time. That is when they start calling people names.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35965</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35965</guid>
		<description>The Patriot,
I think we have few hiding behind our Flag around here. Have you noticed this on the "Patriot Patrol"? This is sickening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Patriot,<br />
I think we have few hiding behind our Flag around here. Have you noticed this on the &#8220;Patriot Patrol&#8221;? This is sickening!</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35957</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35957</guid>
		<description>I embrace only those that want to assimilate into the American melting pot with us, actively learn to speak English, and are 100% loyal to only our Flag and Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I embrace only those that want to assimilate into the American melting pot with us, actively learn to speak English, and are 100% loyal to only our Flag and Country.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35927</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35927</guid>
		<description>Turn PW Blue,
Your comments on NCLB are correct. I'm in 100% agreement with you on this one. I hope all read and take note. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turn PW Blue,<br />
Your comments on NCLB are correct. I&#8217;m in 100% agreement with you on this one. I hope all read and take note. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ateacher</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35887</link>
		<dc:creator>ateacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35887</guid>
		<description>This whole debate regarding ESOL gets me, and my co-workers thinking.  When 65 percent of PWC's ESOL are born and raised in the US.  I say NO EXCUSE, down right  pathetic....5 years of living, watching TV, and we still can't speak English??????????  Yet at the same time I had more than 1 parent come to parent/teacher conferences with their  k childs' ESOL test results in hand and tell me that they do NOT want their child to ever be in an ESOL class.  So there are those that see the English to be impt. for their children, and they I can embrace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole debate regarding ESOL gets me, and my co-workers thinking.  When 65 percent of PWC&#8217;s ESOL are born and raised in the US.  I say NO EXCUSE, down right  pathetic&#8230;.5 years of living, watching TV, and we still can&#8217;t speak English??????????  Yet at the same time I had more than 1 parent come to parent/teacher conferences with their  k childs&#8217; ESOL test results in hand and tell me that they do NOT want their child to ever be in an ESOL class.  So there are those that see the English to be impt. for their children, and they I can embrace</p>
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		<title>By: Turn PW Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35677</link>
		<dc:creator>Turn PW Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35677</guid>
		<description>Let's also not forget that NCLB encourages mediocrity.  The goal is to get everyone to the passing line.  More concern is paid to those below the line than those who perform well above the line.  A 99% is just as good as a 71%.  The result?  Children who test in the top percentiles in math in 3rd grade are actually slipping by the time they reach middle school.  So, we are encouraging a nation of mediocre students.  Keep in mind that NCLB was based on the program Bush set up when in Texas when he was governor.  It's no coincidence that Texas ranks in the bottom quartile when it comes to education.  What a great model to roll out to the rest of the nation, right?

It also doesn't help that our School Board and BOCS have buried their heads behind the standing funding agreement when it comes to schools.  What a stupid concept.  Let's fund our schools based on a decade-old standing formula rather than on the actual budgetary needs.  Sure, it means less contention between the School Board and BOCS, but at what cost?  PWCS's per pupil expenditure is the lowest in the metro Washington region.  This year, the spending per pupil *decreased*.  Let's say 10% of the students in PWC schools are illegal or the children of illegals.  Taking them out of the mix still leaves us with a per pupil expenditure lower than any other jurisdiction in Northern Virginia, so getting rid of all the illegals (as unrealistic as that may be) is not the only answer.  While simply throwing more money at the schools is not a cure all, there needs to be a rational examination of what it takes to teach our children and prepare them for the future.  We have overcrowded schools because no one planned for or funded a realistic capital improvements program.  We are losing some of best teachers to surrounding jurisdictions because the pay is better in Fairfax or the cost of living is lower in Fauquier.  We are letting our best and brightest slip into mediocrity while making unrealistic demands on lower performing students to miraculously cross some line.  This isn't anything altruistic.  Today's children are tomorrows doctors, scientists, teachers, leaders, and soldiers.  Shortchanging them now shortchanges the future of the country we love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that NCLB encourages mediocrity.  The goal is to get everyone to the passing line.  More concern is paid to those below the line than those who perform well above the line.  A 99% is just as good as a 71%.  The result?  Children who test in the top percentiles in math in 3rd grade are actually slipping by the time they reach middle school.  So, we are encouraging a nation of mediocre students.  Keep in mind that NCLB was based on the program Bush set up when in Texas when he was governor.  It&#8217;s no coincidence that Texas ranks in the bottom quartile when it comes to education.  What a great model to roll out to the rest of the nation, right?</p>
<p>It also doesn&#8217;t help that our School Board and BOCS have buried their heads behind the standing funding agreement when it comes to schools.  What a stupid concept.  Let&#8217;s fund our schools based on a decade-old standing formula rather than on the actual budgetary needs.  Sure, it means less contention between the School Board and BOCS, but at what cost?  PWCS&#8217;s per pupil expenditure is the lowest in the metro Washington region.  This year, the spending per pupil *decreased*.  Let&#8217;s say 10% of the students in PWC schools are illegal or the children of illegals.  Taking them out of the mix still leaves us with a per pupil expenditure lower than any other jurisdiction in Northern Virginia, so getting rid of all the illegals (as unrealistic as that may be) is not the only answer.  While simply throwing more money at the schools is not a cure all, there needs to be a rational examination of what it takes to teach our children and prepare them for the future.  We have overcrowded schools because no one planned for or funded a realistic capital improvements program.  We are losing some of best teachers to surrounding jurisdictions because the pay is better in Fairfax or the cost of living is lower in Fauquier.  We are letting our best and brightest slip into mediocrity while making unrealistic demands on lower performing students to miraculously cross some line.  This isn&#8217;t anything altruistic.  Today&#8217;s children are tomorrows doctors, scientists, teachers, leaders, and soldiers.  Shortchanging them now shortchanges the future of the country we love.</p>
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		<title>By: ElemTeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35631</link>
		<dc:creator>ElemTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35631</guid>
		<description>NCLB is another example of the federal government mandating something and then it falls of the local government to pay for it.  NCLB certainly damages housing values because of labeling neighborhood schools as failures when the ESOL students (or any other subgroup) can't pass the test.  ESOL costs are staggering and you know something else is not getting funded.  There is only so much money to go round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCLB is another example of the federal government mandating something and then it falls of the local government to pay for it.  NCLB certainly damages housing values because of labeling neighborhood schools as failures when the ESOL students (or any other subgroup) can&#8217;t pass the test.  ESOL costs are staggering and you know something else is not getting funded.  There is only so much money to go round.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35583</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35583</guid>
		<description>Long time resident,

I totally agree with you.  It is one of the most horrible pieces of legislation ever passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time resident,</p>
<p>I totally agree with you.  It is one of the most horrible pieces of legislation ever passed.</p>
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		<title>By: long time resident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35580</link>
		<dc:creator>long time resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35580</guid>
		<description>Good lay explanation of NCLB Dolph.  I've heard some say that No Child Left Behind has become no kid gets ahead.  Kids with potential (and even average kids) are potentially stagnated because the law says 100% of all children in all sub groups must pass (meet the minimum passing score).  The bureaucrats in DC (on both side of the aisle) have meddled far too deep and usurped both the State and local authorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lay explanation of NCLB Dolph.  I&#8217;ve heard some say that No Child Left Behind has become no kid gets ahead.  Kids with potential (and even average kids) are potentially stagnated because the law says 100% of all children in all sub groups must pass (meet the minimum passing score).  The bureaucrats in DC (on both side of the aisle) have meddled far too deep and usurped both the State and local authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35577</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35577</guid>
		<description>Bridget,

Thank you.  I barely scraped the surface.  

I love your last sentence.  I think that just about says it all!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>Thank you.  I barely scraped the surface.  </p>
<p>I love your last sentence.  I think that just about says it all!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35571</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35571</guid>
		<description>Dolph, I think you did a fine job of explaining what is virtualy unexplainable and beyond surreal!!! 

I recall someone on the Hill commenting on NCLB that "It was a damn shame nobody bothered to read it before signing it into law." 

To me, it is like setting up unatainable goals for a game while ruling that failing to make said goals will result in severe penelties. In a word, torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph, I think you did a fine job of explaining what is virtualy unexplainable and beyond surreal!!! </p>
<p>I recall someone on the Hill commenting on NCLB that &#8220;It was a damn shame nobody bothered to read it before signing it into law.&#8221; </p>
<p>To me, it is like setting up unatainable goals for a game while ruling that failing to make said goals will result in severe penelties. In a word, torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35569</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35569</guid>
		<description>Bridget,

Your last paragraph speaks volumes.  If the Feds are enforcing the law on others....then the boot heel comes out.  If the Feds are asked to enforce their own laws...well....you know what happens.  Seems as though it is a 'do as I say not do as I do' situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>Your last paragraph speaks volumes.  If the Feds are enforcing the law on others&#8230;.then the boot heel comes out.  If the Feds are asked to enforce their own laws&#8230;well&#8230;.you know what happens.  Seems as though it is a &#8216;do as I say not do as I do&#8217; situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35562</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35562</guid>
		<description>Just as NCLB is a federal mandate that should be removed, so is Plyler vs. Doe. 

Is education a right under our Constitution? No - yet that is what the Plyler legislation claimed. 

Plyler vs. Doe can never stand as settled law as it has no sound basis in the 14th Amendement.

Plyler is way overdue for reversal.

The "Dream" act amnesty is nothing more than the natural and predictable extention of Plyler ... giving foreign nationals the right to masquerade as citizens. 

Every attempt at "Immigration Reform" i.e. amnesty for illegal aliens is driven by the fear factor fact that someone will wake up and notice that we have  current immigration laws that are being ignored. 

Funny how that works ... while it is hard to imagine any school or school district choosing to ignore the current on-the-books law of Plyer without severe penalty, equaly on-the-books immigration laws are treated as if they don't exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as NCLB is a federal mandate that should be removed, so is Plyler vs. Doe. </p>
<p>Is education a right under our Constitution? No - yet that is what the Plyler legislation claimed. </p>
<p>Plyler vs. Doe can never stand as settled law as it has no sound basis in the 14th Amendement.</p>
<p>Plyler is way overdue for reversal.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Dream&#8221; act amnesty is nothing more than the natural and predictable extention of Plyler &#8230; giving foreign nationals the right to masquerade as citizens. </p>
<p>Every attempt at &#8220;Immigration Reform&#8221; i.e. amnesty for illegal aliens is driven by the fear factor fact that someone will wake up and notice that we have  current immigration laws that are being ignored. </p>
<p>Funny how that works &#8230; while it is hard to imagine any school or school district choosing to ignore the current on-the-books law of Plyer without severe penalty, equaly on-the-books immigration laws are treated as if they don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35561</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal aliens and their ESOL student kids are parasites!  If that's inflammatory, let the inflamation begin.  They were sent here by their failed governments and they're sucking the blood out of this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal aliens and their ESOL student kids are parasites!  If that&#8217;s inflammatory, let the inflamation begin.  They were sent here by their failed governments and they&#8217;re sucking the blood out of this country.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35558</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35558</guid>
		<description>Learning a language is the sole responsibility of the person needing to learn the language. It should never be placed on taxpayers. It is called willingness. If you want to reside in another country, you must take full responsibility in getting educated and learning the language yourself. There are plenty of books, etc. to do this. There is NO excuse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learning a language is the sole responsibility of the person needing to learn the language. It should never be placed on taxpayers. It is called willingness. If you want to reside in another country, you must take full responsibility in getting educated and learning the language yourself. There are plenty of books, etc. to do this. There is NO excuse!</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35557</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35557</guid>
		<description>Patty,

When I was in school there was no special ed, esol, no special classes of any sort that I was ever aware of.  But that was back when dirt was forming on the earth.  

Seriously, as to NCLB, it is so comprehensive, so complex, so government regulated, I cannot educate you on it.  I would simply have no idea where to begin.  I also do not know probably 1/10th of its implications.  

Basically it is federal legislation that hi-jacked education standards from the state and local governments of this country.  There are some 29 subgroups who must make annual yearly progress (AYP).  The 'big 4' groups that seem to affect our area are:  special ed, ethnicity, poverty and LEP.  

Each year schools must demonstrate that x % of their students in the subgroups have passed the sol tests in reading and math.  Each year that number rises.  If the school doesn't meet the standard,  it doesn't make AYP. If the school doesn't make AYP for a certain number of years (3 I think) then the school is basically labeled a failure.  It doesn't matter how well the kids do who aren't 'members' of the 4 sub-groups.

This is a gross over-simplification of what NCLB is all about but this is what is driving the entire educational system these days.  Fear of not making AYP.  The school systems put the heat on the principals and the principals put the heat on the teachers who are tap dancing a mile a minute to attempt to make sure all the kids labeled in these sub-groups pass the sol tests as well as the non special group kids.  

I hope this helped answer your questions.  I don't think I did a very good job.  When something is written in both government-ese and educational-ese, it becomes unreadable so I will not give you a website.  Volumes have been written on this subject and very little of it makes sense to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty,</p>
<p>When I was in school there was no special ed, esol, no special classes of any sort that I was ever aware of.  But that was back when dirt was forming on the earth.  </p>
<p>Seriously, as to NCLB, it is so comprehensive, so complex, so government regulated, I cannot educate you on it.  I would simply have no idea where to begin.  I also do not know probably 1/10th of its implications.  </p>
<p>Basically it is federal legislation that hi-jacked education standards from the state and local governments of this country.  There are some 29 subgroups who must make annual yearly progress (AYP).  The &#8216;big 4&#8242; groups that seem to affect our area are:  special ed, ethnicity, poverty and LEP.  </p>
<p>Each year schools must demonstrate that x % of their students in the subgroups have passed the sol tests in reading and math.  Each year that number rises.  If the school doesn&#8217;t meet the standard,  it doesn&#8217;t make AYP. If the school doesn&#8217;t make AYP for a certain number of years (3 I think) then the school is basically labeled a failure.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how well the kids do who aren&#8217;t &#8216;members&#8217; of the 4 sub-groups.</p>
<p>This is a gross over-simplification of what NCLB is all about but this is what is driving the entire educational system these days.  Fear of not making AYP.  The school systems put the heat on the principals and the principals put the heat on the teachers who are tap dancing a mile a minute to attempt to make sure all the kids labeled in these sub-groups pass the sol tests as well as the non special group kids.  </p>
<p>I hope this helped answer your questions.  I don&#8217;t think I did a very good job.  When something is written in both government-ese and educational-ese, it becomes unreadable so I will not give you a website.  Volumes have been written on this subject and very little of it makes sense to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35551</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35551</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

I just know parents are angry.  When you know there are limited resources and bigger slices of the pie go to ESOL, that can create anger with parents. 

Please educate me on NCLB.

By the way, back in "the day" when my husband and I went to school, there were no ESOL classes.  My husband learned English through school and home.  I guess you could say "the old fashioned way". My friend's family also had to learn English this way.  I will say they speak English better than the ones taking ESOL.  Just something to add to the conversation.  I'm also curious if other countries provide special language classes for people who speak English but need to learn the native tongue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>I just know parents are angry.  When you know there are limited resources and bigger slices of the pie go to ESOL, that can create anger with parents. </p>
<p>Please educate me on NCLB.</p>
<p>By the way, back in &#8220;the day&#8221; when my husband and I went to school, there were no ESOL classes.  My husband learned English through school and home.  I guess you could say &#8220;the old fashioned way&#8221;. My friend&#8217;s family also had to learn English this way.  I will say they speak English better than the ones taking ESOL.  Just something to add to the conversation.  I&#8217;m also curious if other countries provide special language classes for people who speak English but need to learn the native tongue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35550</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous 1:38

Why would you want to validate their comments and accusations by using language that reinforces exactly what they are complaining about?

I have no clue who you are but surely you grasp the concept that when you use derrogatory language to describe an entire class of people (or students,  in this case) , there is going to be some fallout.

Monticup, 

I do try to show by example when I post here.  I do not care how whoever it was thinks...but since this is a public blog, I will ask people not to use inflammatory language about others.  If they chose not to comply with my request, there is certainly nothing I can do about it.  However, one should also not be surprised with undesirable outcomes from reckless speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 1:38</p>
<p>Why would you want to validate their comments and accusations by using language that reinforces exactly what they are complaining about?</p>
<p>I have no clue who you are but surely you grasp the concept that when you use derrogatory language to describe an entire class of people (or students,  in this case) , there is going to be some fallout.</p>
<p>Monticup, </p>
<p>I do try to show by example when I post here.  I do not care how whoever it was thinks&#8230;but since this is a public blog, I will ask people not to use inflammatory language about others.  If they chose not to comply with my request, there is certainly nothing I can do about it.  However, one should also not be surprised with undesirable outcomes from reckless speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35549</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm the "anonymous" who referred to the illegal aliens and their progeny (whether born here or not) as "parasites" and I stand by that moniker.  I'm not referring to any particular race.  I'm referring to organisms who, according to our laws, are not supposed to be here and through their presence are sucking our schools, our community's, and our country's economic resources dry, and will eventually kill their host.  You call them what you want, I'll continue to call them parasites, or parasitos, or parasitskies, or ... .  If you can't stand calling a spade a friggin' shovel, go to another blog that hides facts behind benign euphemisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the &#8220;anonymous&#8221; who referred to the illegal aliens and their progeny (whether born here or not) as &#8220;parasites&#8221; and I stand by that moniker.  I&#8217;m not referring to any particular race.  I&#8217;m referring to organisms who, according to our laws, are not supposed to be here and through their presence are sucking our schools, our community&#8217;s, and our country&#8217;s economic resources dry, and will eventually kill their host.  You call them what you want, I&#8217;ll continue to call them parasites, or parasitos, or parasitskies, or &#8230; .  If you can&#8217;t stand calling a spade a friggin&#8217; shovel, go to another blog that hides facts behind benign euphemisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/10/29/did-help-save-manassas-just-save-taxpayers-millions/#comment-35545</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous 1:58

Please read the statement in its entirety: UNDER THE CURRENT LAW….Ricardo is just as entitled to be in school as Jane. Ricardo’s status is irrelevant.   

I am not stating my opinion here.  I am telling you the way things are.  

You make valid points about multiple families living in single family homes.  I do not disagree with you.  However it has nothing to do with the above statement that I made.</description>
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<p>Please read the statement in its entirety: UNDER THE CURRENT LAW….Ricardo is just as entitled to be in school as Jane. Ricardo’s status is irrelevant.   </p>
<p>I am not stating my opinion here.  I am telling you the way things are.  </p>
<p>You make valid points about multiple families living in single family homes.  I do not disagree with you.  However it has nothing to do with the above statement that I made.</p>
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