Finding common ground is the true democratic process!!!

Those with serious mental issues are not being dealt a fair deal neither are those that do not have those issues. Sometimes pushing them into the mainstream and making them think they are fine does more damage than the truth. Think that’s what happened with Cho.

That’s basically what I did that dark, dreary night so long ago.

“The only thing I would lobby for would be to be able to check on the nutcases. That is priviliged information but would be darn useful during a gun check.”

Applause! We agree!

I want to add… Seung Hui Cho shot up Virginia Tech, but he should NOT have been able to get a gun in Virginia. There are checks for ‘nutcases’ buying guns in Virginia, but somehow he fell through the cracks [I haven’t kept up on how/why he was able to get them]. A very sad thing, but IMHO answering that tragedy with more strict gun controls isn’t the answer. Fixing the problems with the current system (in Virginia) is.

PS. The only thing I would lobby for would be to be able to check on the nutcases. That is priviliged information but would be darn useful during a gun check.

My 7:18 post was prior to your 7:00 post and in response to your 6:40 post (think I was making supper in the middle of the response which caused the delay!)

Anyway…. you wrote….
Good point. I truly wonder what the result would be if someone surveyed victims of muggings and asked them something like “Now that you’ve been mugged, what will you do?”

a) lobby for gun control
b) get a gun, learn to use it safely so I can defend against future crimes against my person

That was my original point, that victims do become active with the gun control lobby but you indicated you thought they were being used by them. It’s likely some of each.

My husband has guns and is quite skilled. I’ve shot a few times, but would not think that I would be able to defend myself with a gun. Waving one around is likely to end up with bad consequences for me and those around me or my neighbors. I know that I would never be accurate enough to aim for a head shot. If someone was pointing a gun at me I think the most productive thing I could do at that point would be to pray and try a little screaming, ducking and running.

You are paranoid!

A National ID card would solve a lot of our present illegal alien problems. What’s the big deal with being required to have one? You have to have a driver’s license to drive (most people anyway,) you have to have a passport to travel most places outside of the U.S. (most people anyway,) and you need a SSN to work (most people anyway.) So what’s the big deal?

Pass.

They need more practice at the firing range! Head shots are effective as well (though not center-mass).

“When Reagan’s press secretary became actively opposed to certain gun issues, I figured out that victims do things that they might never have considered previously.”

Good point. I truly wonder what the result would be if someone surveyed victims of muggings and asked them something like “Now that you’ve been mugged, what will you do?”

a) lobby for gun control
b) get a gun, learn to use it safely so I can defend against future crimes against my person

I wonder if anyone has done such a thing.

The perp would make me angry, not the gun. He perp could use a shank, nunchakus, ice pick. etc. Ban those as well?
BTW, I have been on the bad end of a gun. The only thing that made me angry was that I, at that time, couldn’t own one as well.

The point is you have just GIVEN her the power to follow through. DUH!

“If there were better laws regarding…” OMFG! Haven’t you heard a word I said? Now you want more laws?

If there were better laws regarding obtaining a driver’s license, entering schools or getting jobs requiring proof of citizenship we wouldn’t have to walk around with stamps or papers. This is a case of addressing the issues instead of the problem.

HSM should really focus on the Legislature this winter and make them pass some of these laws so things are properly, effectively and efficiently handled at the front end of the situation instead of in the middle or at the end.

The federal legislators can make decisions about war and the lives of thousands of American soldiers/marines in 20 minutes. They can handle this if they are forced to.

HSM and others need to push state legislatures and then push congress. Keep it up!!! I want to walk around freely and without a wallet or pocketbook!!!!

The principle here is the same it’s always been. Those who sacrifice liberty for security lose both. Tell me that’s not what we did on Oct 16…

Regarding victims, I cannot imagine how your kalaidascope changes when you become one, I would not presume to comment on what they do or if they allow themselves to be used.

When Reagan’s press secretary became actively opposed to certain gun issues, I figured out that victims do things that they might never have considered previously.

Victims are rarely used by pro-gun organizations to promote legal gun sales; while they are certainly used by anti-gun organizations to argue against ANY (legal or illegal) gun sales…

Have you considered that perhaps you haven’t heard of a victim who supports legal or illegal gun sales because those who do support legal gun sales are less likely to be victims than those who do not?

Just an observation on how people react when bad things happen in their neighborhood which are fiananced or supported by someone else’s.
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Exactly, just like we feel about how Mexico finances and supports their citizens to break our laws.

He’s probably just making an unpopular stand for a particular group of constituants. You will admit that between licenses and guns VA does have an interesting reputation?

That’s like blaming Ted Britt Ford in Fairfax for someone who gets drunk and kills somebody. He sells a legit product that may or may not be used properly. Unlike the illegal drugs that come from New York to Virginia.