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Colgan’s Support Of In-State Tuition For Illegal Aliens

By Greg L | 31 October 2007 | 29th VA Senate | 18 Comments

Recently, Senator Chuck Colgan’s campaign manager Roger Snyder made a comment giving us “Colgan Straight Talk” that is anything but straight. Today, we go to the second item on this list:

Colgan: I do NOT SUPPORT allowing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

If this is true, this has to be a recent development in Colgan’s approach to this issue, as in “this week” recent.  During the 2003 session of the General Assembly, HB2339 was sponsored by Thelma Drake, who was then representing the 87th House District.  It was a pretty simple bill, which read:

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 23-7.4:01 as follows:

§ 23-7.4:01. Alien in-state tuition.

An alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, and therefore ineligible to establish domicile pursuant to § 23-7.4, shall not be eligible on the basis of residency within Virginia for any post-secondary educational benefit, including in-state tuition, unless citizens or nationals of the United States are eligible for such benefits in no less an amount, duration, and scope, without regard to whether such citizens or nationals are Virginia residents.

In other words, you can’t give illegal aliens tuition benefits that you don’t make available for American citizens.  This passed the house by a margin of 88-10 (Delegate Bob Brink of the House Homosexual Lobby was among those voting no) and went to the Senate, which decided that this wasn’t good enough for them.  Senator Dick Saslaw proposed a substitute bill which added the following language:

B. However, subsection A shall not apply if such alien has:

1. Graduated from a public or private high school or received the equivalent of a high school diploma in Virginia;

2. Resided in the Commonwealth for at least five years as of the date the individual graduated from high school or received the equivalent of a high school diploma;

3. Registered as an entering student in an institution of higher education; and

4. Provided an affidavit to the institution stating that he has already filed an application to become a permanent resident of the United States and is actively pursuing such permanent residency.

This pretty much guts the intent of the bill that had overwhelmingly passed the House over Bob Brink’s objections and created a great opportunity for illegal aliens to qualify for in-state tuition rates as long as they graduated from High School in Virginia and falsified a few documents.

This substitute version didn’t pass the Senate, but Chuck Colgan voted for it. Then an amendment was offered that the original bill could only go into effect if the next session of the General Assembly again passed the same bill.  Colgan voted for that amendment, also.  Finally, after all of the attempts to weaken or gut this bill — all of which Colgan supported — failed, Colgan finally voted to pass the original bill as written by the House.

And now Colgan is trying to tell everyone that he opposes in-state tuition for illegal aliens.  He’s not telling the whole truth here.  He did everything he could to stop this bill from passing before it came to a final floor vote.

This past year the Senate had an opportunity to revisit this issue with SB1204.  This bill, as passed in the Senate had substantially the same language that had been rejected in 2003:

D. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection A, any person shall be eligible for in-state tuition who:

1. Has resided with his parent, guardian, or other person standing in loco parentis while attending a public or private high school in this state;

2. Has graduated from a public or private high school in Virginia;

3. Has resided in the Commonwealth for at least three years as of the date the individual graduated from high school;

4. Has registered as an entering student in an institution of higher education;

5. Has provided an affidavit to the institution stating that he has filed an application to become a permanent resident of the United States and is actively pursuing such permanent residency or will do so as soon as he is eligible; and

6. Has submitted evidence that he, or in the case of a dependent student, at least one parent, guardian, or person standing in loco parentis, has filed, unless exempted by state law, Virginia income tax returns for at least three years prior to the date of enrollment.

Did Chuck Colgan vote for this?  You bet he did.  Unfortunately, so did everyone else, so I have to assume that the intent by many here on the right side of the issue was to get something out of the Senate, have the House fix it, and then deal with this in Conference Committee, which is exactly what happened. A much better substitute, almost identical to HB2339 from years before passed out of the House of Delegates over the objections of Amundsen, Brink (again), Caputo, Marsden and twelve other disgraceful illegal alien apologists, and the Senate rejected the substitute.  In the 5-35 vote in the Senate rejecting the House version, Chuck Colgan was among the majority of Senators that demanded this initial language that would allow illegal aliens to obtain in-state tuition as long as they falsified a sufficient number of documents.  The bill went to conference, and never got brought to the floor of the Senate, dying an unceremonious death.

So here we have another instance of Colgan voting for in-state tuition for illegal aliens.  To top this off, in the 2007 Virginia Catholic Conference Survey Colgan affirmed his support for giving in-state tuition to illegal immigrants.

Cogan’s “Straight Talk” says he doesn’t support giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens, in defiance of his record.  This “Straight Talk” is a bag of horse puckey, and Colgan should be ashamed of himself for lying like this.  Does he really think his constituents are so stupid they can’t look up what really happened here?

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  1. ET said on 31 Oct 2007 at 3:24 pm:
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    not the only one seeing aliens


  2. Patty said on 31 Oct 2007 at 3:31 pm:
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    He just wants to make sure his friends over at 7-11 are eligible for in-state tuition.

    I’ll bet that if there is a bill requiring all kids to learn Spanish before they can graduate from high school, he will vote for it because he wants us to be able to converse with those men who hang out at 7-11.

  3. Patty said on 31 Oct 2007 at 3:41 pm:
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    For those of you who say Colgan has character. Well, in a way, yes, he is a character. Anyone who puts his re-elect signs up at vacant houses (known to harbor illegals) is definitely A CHARACTER.

    Ol’ Chuck doesn’t want to show his face in my neighborhood. I guess we are just not good enough for him. That is why he totally ignores the problems we have with illegal aliens.

    I’m sure we will see posts from the Good Ol Boy Chuck network. They are Chuck- aholics.

  4. Bill Manning said on 31 Oct 2007 at 4:20 pm:
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    You seem to talk alot about Chuck Colgan, and the Democrats. Who is the cause off all this immigration? How much did the Republican party spend on Iraq? Trillions? How much has your beloved Republican party done on immigration? Oh thats right…. They are supporting Amnesty!!!! Who else supported Amnesty? Ronald Regean!!!!!! So how is the Chuck Colgans fault? You may want to slow down on blaming Chuck Colgan. I wonder how many times HSM has blamed George W for this immigrant mess?????? And did’nt Bob Fitzsimmonds support Amnesty as well? Just a thought.

  5. Legal2 said on 31 Oct 2007 at 4:32 pm:
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    We aren’t defeating old chuck because of party ties. sorry to disappoint.

  6. G Man said on 31 Oct 2007 at 4:53 pm:
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    Way to try and change the topic ol’ Bill to take the heat off of tired, old Chuck. Sorry on this Halloween he is caught in his web of lies!

  7. Krutis said on 31 Oct 2007 at 4:53 pm:
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    While you’re on ET’s link, take a look at Barceloneta at the bottom of the page. Barcelona’s a beautiful city. Just a break from the prosaic reality in PWC.

  8. Big Dog said on 31 Oct 2007 at 5:48 pm:
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    Yes, it is Halloween and “Sideshow Bob” Fitzsimmons
    and his ghouls are certainly out to scare folks anyway
    they can. Expect plenty of tricks, but no treats from
    this snarly, snarky gang.

  9. One Voice said on 31 Oct 2007 at 6:02 pm:
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    Yup. You are definitely panicked about Colgan winning the election.

  10. Pat Herve said on 31 Oct 2007 at 6:07 pm:
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    What a shame.

    I cannot believe how RACIST and Stereotyping you people are.

    Just because one can speak a foreign language, does not mean that they are an illegal immigrant. I know of many western europeans who are here illegaly, but they do not get the same amount of harrasment as the Salvadorains or Hondurans who are here legally.

    Is illegal immgration a problem - Yes it is. But - how do you fix it? Reagan brought in Amnesty. Bush has floated Amnesty earlier this year, Fitzsimmons has towed the party line, and has promoted Amnesty himself. Does this fix it? I do not know. What I do know is that the immigration issue is very emotional for most of us - there are those that like it, like some small business owners, because it gives them a pool of un skilled cheap labor that does not mind doing manual labor. There are those that like to take advantage of those people. And then there are those that do not like the immigrant - legal or not, because of some feelign that the immigrant is taking something away that rightly belongs to them.

    Someone decided that immigration will be the differentiator. I for one, do not think that immigration reform on the state level should be the differentiator.

    So if you take that out of the way (Chuck is Anti Illegal Immigration, by the way), then what is different - really not much, other than the fact that Chuck Colgan has seniority, and has a good record. What does Bob have - oh, I worked for my boss ken, did what I was told, and am taking credit for what Ken did in the Senate.

    Who failed us on the illegal immigration front - why none other than our Federal Senate Members - While George Allen spoke about immigration, his actions are what really hurt us here in Virginia. Just like above, don’t like the immigrant, until it is helpful, like hiring a nanny, or gardner.

    No matter which way this election goes, I am going to be laughing my butt off, next year, when Rudy is your nominee - who are you going to vote for, Rudy the mayor that made NYC a santuary city for illegal immigrants, supports guest workers (illegal immigrant with paper work), handed out condoms, supports pro-choice, married his own cousin (thrice married), banned guns, partners with a person with mafia ties.

    Patty - did you know that Chuck Colgan tried to make English the official language of Virginia? Where has your Republican General Assembly been to do something about immigration? Funny that the DPVA as hitting marshal about not doing anything about immigration. Maybe you should go down to the local 7-11 and talk to these people, they are just people here looking to do better in life, just as your forefathers wanted (unless you are American Indian, then I apologize for inferring that you yourself are of immigration decent).

  11. G Man said on 31 Oct 2007 at 7:55 pm:
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    Pat Herve - no one is making you come to this site. If this blog is not your cup of tea, let your fingers do the walking. CU

  12. monticup said on 31 Oct 2007 at 10:10 pm:
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    Pat Herve- So are you saying that wanting to do better in life gives you license to break the law? Everyone wants to do better in life. Does that mean we can lie, steal and cheat? That’s what illegal aliens do when they sneak into our country, use forged documents and steal citizens’ identities.

    My forefathers came here legally. I don’t know about yours.

  13. Amy said on 31 Oct 2007 at 10:17 pm:
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    Greg Said

    Chuck Colgan was among the majority of Senators that demanded this initial language that would allow illegal aliens to obtain in-state tuition

    That is an ignorant statement, you certainly have no basis for this statement.

  14. Billyboy said on 31 Oct 2007 at 10:23 pm:
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    So Gregs preference would be no bill stopping illegal immigrants from obtaining in-state tuition. This thinking is exactly why Bob Fitzsimmonds would be an obstructionist.
    Bob will be stand on a soap box preaching instead of conducting the peoples business.

    Patty, Chuck Colgan was knocking on doors on Lomond Drive at the near Damascus on Saturday. Isn’t that your neighborhood. For God Sake get over the sign at Tony B. house.

    Lastly many people have made statements about Bob’s previous support for amnesty, why has he never addressed the issues?

  15. Billyboy said on 31 Oct 2007 at 10:27 pm:
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    Oh Snap as the kids say…

    • Allen Sponsored “Permanent Guest Worker” Legislation. George Allen has repeatedly co-sponsored and voted for flawed guest worker legislation, such as increases in H1B and H2B guest worker visas. And, Foreign Affairs Magazine has aptly said that, “There is nothing more permanent than temporary workers.” [S. 2109, 12/15/05; www.numbersusa.com, accessed 3/28/06; S. 2258, 3/30/04; Nation’s Restaurant News, 5/24/04; S.A. 387 to H.R. 1268, #102, 4/19/05; S. 352, 2/10/05; S.Amdt.2367 to S. 1932, 11/3/05; Business Line, 11/5/05; S. 352, 2/10/05; Foreign Affairs Magazine, Nov/Dec 2001]

    And who does big George endorse, BOB Fatzsimmonds.

  16. Bridget said on 1 Nov 2007 at 6:41 am:
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    Calling people who have legitimate concerns regarding illegal aliens racists, bigots, xenophobes or nativists is not an argument. It is slander.

    What you imply by calling us racists is that: In order for us to prove and attain non-racist status, we must allow illegal aliens to act with impunity.

    It makes as much sense as my accusing any man of sexism if he does not comply with my demands. Of threatening to cry “Rapist! Rapist!” if said man does not provide me with what I want. It is blackmail and coercion.

    But I suspect you know that, given that the invasion is indefensible. Slander, emotional blackmail and coercion are all you have.

  17. Dolph said on 1 Nov 2007 at 12:25 pm:
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    Looking around at the audience at HSM meetings on video, it appears that some folks here might be interested to know about senior issues.

    Chuck Colgan responded very favorably to issues brought up by AARP. Bob Fitzsimmonds either chose not to respond or did not check the box.

    Am I to assume that Mr. F doesn’t care about senior citizens or that he overlooked their questionaire?


  18. Legal2 said on 2 Nov 2007 at 7:16 am:
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    Dolph, you should maybe contact Fitz and ask him yourself. Then let us all know the answer to your question.

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