Spanish Language GOTV Effort
By Greg L | 2 November 2007 | Virginia Politics | 150 Comments
I’m getting some reports that there’s an entirely Spanish-language GOTV phonebanking effort going on in Prince William and Fairfax Counties where people who are naturalized citizens are getting called. Some of the recipients aren’t happy at all about being told to go and vote in Spanish. If you get one of these, see if you can stay on the line until the caller discloses who is paying for them.
It would be very interesting to find out who is paying for these calls.
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“being told to go and vote in Spanish”….does this not speak volumes?
What about the Korean community, or the Japanese and Chinese or even Thai community in PWC and Fairfax County. Why not the Pakistani, Vietnamese, German, Russian, and Brazilian communities??? Are THESE people any less worthy than the Spanish community???
So, GOTV, when will it end???
If you have caller ID, write down the number and do a reverse telephone number search to see where the call is coming from. It may be blocked or a phoney name but it’s worth a try. Post the number the call is coming from on this blog.
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) on 2 Nov 2007 at 11:29 am:
Gotta find a Hispanic voting machine. Anyone know where they are at?
To vote, you must be a U.S. Citizen (see first link and bullet points). To be a U.S. Citizen you must have “an ability to read, write, and speak English” (see second link and bullet points). Therefore, something is NOT right with voting in Spanish!
http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Voter_Information/Registering_to_Vote/Index.html#To%20be
“To be eligible to register to vote in Virginia a person must:
- Be a resident of Virginia (A person who has come to Virginia for temporary purposes and intends to return to another state is not considered a resident for voting purposes)
- Be a U. S. Citizen
- Be 18 years old (Any person who is 17 years old and will be eighteen years of age at the next general election shall be permitted to register in advance and also vote in any intervening primary or special election)
- Does not claim the right to vote in any other State
- Not currently declared mentally incompetent by a court of law
- If convicted of a felony, your right to vote must have been restored”
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=ce2b2cd1f7e9e010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=96719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD
“Naturalization
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:
- a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
- an ability to read, write, and speak English;
- a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
- good moral character;
- attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
- favorable disposition toward the United States.”
They’re trying to Get Out The Vote,
To counter the hate you promote,
If fears they can banish, by speaking in Spanish
My friends, they’ll have you by the scrote!
The GOTV thing is just more evidence that this is really all about the hispanics. And they could care less about anybody else!
Here’s one for Rhyme Tyme-
Roses are red
Violets are purple
Drop dead!
Rhyme Time,
From the regular readers and posters here at BVBL, who are also members of HSM:
Ahem, BITE ME!
Rhyme that.
Who cares, Greg? This is a free country and if someone is out there encouraging Hispanics to vote, then they should be applauded for getting involved in the political process.
What I’m waiting to see is how many people with skin color other than white will be questioned at the polls. How many legitimate American citizens you and Corey Stewart will scare away from voting because these people don’t want to be hassled or harrassed by Republican thugs whose only concern is to win this election?
I have an acquaintance who is an American caucasian man married to a Hispanic, naturalized American woman. The woman is afraid to leave her home these days for fear of harrassment. Will she vote? I don’t know, but I certainly hope so.
Look what Stewart has caused, which I suspect was his modus operandi anyway — to frighten legitimate, American Hispanics away from the polls.
Peace,
No one has anything to fear unless:
1. They are illegal.
2. They are legal and “aiding and abetting” (they would be a FELON).
3. They are committing some type of voter fraud or encouraging that behavior.
“Truth” states your problem gigantic
“..it’s really about the Hispanic”
Batson says bite me, but you surely can’t fight me,
Cuz you’ll all go down like the titanic!
Best to keep your day job, rhyme thyme.
It wouldn’t surprise me that the libs here aren’t taken aback at the idea of trying to get people who can’t speak English (which is a requirement for citizenship, by the way) to go out and vote.
This would raise concerns about the possibility of illegal aliens unlawfully voting in any reasonable person’s mind, I would think. The libs apparently can’t fathom this. Surprise.
GOTV excludes other nationalities and ethnic groups because they are BIGOTS, HYPOCRITES,and RACISTS. They are the same as “LA RAZA”, MWB, and all the other RACIST hispanic groups out there. My vibes say we have a 3rd. battle of Manassas brewing. I think these hispanic groups don’t want rational discourse. Their aim is to take over. Well, I have a message for them: “Go ahead, make OUR day” and the invaders will be history.
I don’t really see this as any different then having Spanish language newspapers in the area publish endorsements of candidates in their editorial sections or urge people to vote. There is a long history of non-English language media in immigrant communities. If you object to this, then I guess you must also object, say, to the Forward in Yiddish addressing people who already had citizenship in the Ellis Island era, or to the masses of media in German, Italian, Chinese, etc. in our history getting involved in electoral politics.
There also are exceptions to the English proficiency requirements for naturalization aimed at older applicants. I assume you believe no such exceptions should be made, but it is the law.
http://www.uslaw.com/library/article/TNPImmigrationCol081700.html
I really, really have an issue when people start talking in terms and principals that are in violation of the underpinnings of our constitutional concepts.
If none of us can agree that a BASIC premise of the constitution is to prohibit privilige and discrimmination based on any labeling reference, derogatory comment, implied privilige, implied special right, ordained preference, targeted group, priviliged group, hated group, hating group, and genuine Human Rights principals of highly discouraging hatred toward anyone using gender targeting, racial targeting, religious targeting, or ethnic group targeting, we will NEVER become a stable and peaceful nation any of us would want to live in.
BOTH sides are wrong when they use ethnic group references and political deceit and slant that only benefits their own. This is so Facist it is unforgiveable in a modern society. BOTH sides of this debate are WRONG when they allow this.
Voters should be voters, not ethnic group targeted voters, not a society where only one “private and priviliged” language applies to only one special interest ethnic group and denies all others understanding.
We HAVE a universal language, USE IT! Encourage ALL voters to vote, not just a preponderance of voters of your own ethnic group.
If this type of activity is not made illegal, and people are not held accountable for violating basic constitutional principals, especially those that impact the well being and security of all members of society fairely and equitably, with the interest and security of all at stake, WE WILL FAIL as a nation. We will become a society of facists hating each other, trying to get the sheer numbers of one ethnic group to dominate and control the lives of another. This failure to stop advocating by racial, gender, ethnic, religious, group and expressing all manner of hatred toward another, while only loving your own kind is so fundamentally wrong it is worse than sickening. It is a crime against us all. The ONLY legitimate right and wrong here is whether an action by an individual is “illegal” or “legal”. If that “illegal” action hurts others while only benefiting the purpetrator, that “illegal” action is wrong and needs to be removed from the impact it has on the lives, security, stability and happiness of others. There is no other legitimate reason for doing this and no other argument for political debate than whether or not the GREATER wrong is prevented from harming all others.
peace said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
What I’m waiting to see is how many people with skin color other than white will be questioned at the polls.
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Most white AND black folk will have ID!!! Those without ID will be questioned. As they SHOULD be!! And, as it will probably turn out the greatest number of people being questioned will be hispanics. As they (i.e., hispanics) have already been instructed not to bring their ID. Tejada from Arlington County told the hispanics you don’t need ID to vote. Sounds like they are gearing up for a lawsuit because only the hispanics were questioned.
peace said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
I have an acquaintance who is an American caucasian man married to a Hispanic, naturalized American woman. The woman is afraid to leave her home these days for fear of harrassment. Will she vote? I don’t know, but I certainly hope so.
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Cry me a freakin river. If she is afraid of leaving her house, then I suggest she has something to hide. Maybe she’s not what she says she is.
How many LEGAL woman are afraid to walk into a 7-11 when there’s are gaggle of unkempt men lurking about. WAKE UP!!
I have no problembo with Hispanics being in this country as long as they are here LEGALLY. I have no problembo with Hispanics voting as long as they are doing it LEGALLY. I have no problembo with Hispanics doing anything, as long as they are doing it LEGALLY. This goes the same with any other nationality. Some Hispanics are here ILLEGALLY - and this is what it is all about, you stupids. Don’t you get it yet? To be here and try to take advantage and circumvent our system and tell us you are not going to leave and there is nothing we can do about it is RUDE and ARROGANT and DISRESPECTFUL. These 3 traits can cause resentment to whom they are displayed. To try to attempt to commit any type of voter fraud is ILLEGAL and to be coerced to do so by someone of the same race is blatant FRAUD. To come here illegally and to continue to commit further acts of criminality is the reason for Resolution such as was passed in PWC. It is the reason why groups like Help Save Manassas and Help Protect Culpeper are formed. Don’t you all get it yet? The American Rug is being ripped out from under your feet and you are too stupid to realize it. If you love this way of life so much, then go to Central and South Americas, etc., where you can practice it with your amigo buddies. Maybe then you will come to realize why groups are trying to protect the American way-of-life, the American language, etc. If a person is not doing anything ILLEGAL, then there should BE NO FEAR. Plain and simple, black and white.
rhyme time said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:20 pm:
“Truth” states your problem gigantic
“..it’s really about the Hispanic”
Batson says bite me, but you surely can’t fight me,
Cuz you’ll all go down like the titanic!
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Hey, Knucklehead - YOU and YOURS have made this a hispanic issue, not me! Personally, I have no problem with hispanics other than their lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, raping, sense of entitlement…
Didn’t Bush give speeches in Spanish when he was running for Governor and President?
Yes he did, and look where that lead us — “comprehensive immigration reform” for large corporate interests looking for cheap labor to exploit.
This might work here!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4QIcfqBNZk
OT, but two articles today in the W/P talk about how this will be THE issue in 2008. We’ve changed the political landscape by bringing the issue to the fore. We can further mold the landscape by referring “illegal immigration” what it really is: an unarmed invasion.
PEACE…..Yeah, right, its all Corey Stewart’s fault that tthe hispanics are afraid to go out and vote. REDICULOUS. Its the ILLEGALS’ fault, STUPID. They don’t want La Migra to catch and deport them. I’ll bet you think Corey is the Boogey Man. Actually, Chairman Stewart is courageous, focused, talented, smart, and WANTS ALL the ILLEGALS out of PWC just as the MAJORITY of PWC residents do!!!!!!!!!!!! WE are SICK of the trash, public drunkeness, urinating in public, filthy Wal-Marts, loitering at 7-11’s, crime, stolen ID’S, and LIES, LIES LIES that the ILLegals live by EVERYDAY!
A Spanish-language GOTV doesn’t bother me. Illegal aliens voting bothers me. True, you (usually) have to speak English to be able to vote as a citizen, so the smell test isn’t quite right. But, as Leila pointed out, Spanish-language media offers political perspectives as well, and we don’t shut those down for fear of electoral subterfuge. This is a sad by-product of non-assimilation and multi-cultural mindsets. But it exists.
A vigilant workforce at the polls to deter fraud is the best way to deal with this, if it happens to be anything more sinister than a public awareness campaign. All infractions should be dealt with as harshly as the law allows, and if illegal aliens are voting, they should be detained and deported after they are identified.
peace said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
“I have an acquaintance who is an American caucasian man married to a Hispanic, naturalized American woman. The woman is afraid to leave her home these days for fear of harrassment.”
Peace, there’s no kind way to tell you that your friend’s wife is a paranoid idiot. If she’s naturalized, she certainly has documentation in her control that proves it. Who does she think will harass her? Citizens? Police? That’s ridiculous. If she’s that ill at ease and can’t leave the house, she should move someplace less threatening. I would, as would just about anyone else I know. She’s a citizen, and she has the right to move wherever she likes.
The ability to speak English is not a requirement for citizenship. Lots of people are born here and do not learn English - look at Puerto Rico.
peace said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
“I have an acquaintance who is an American caucasian man married to a Hispanic, naturalized American woman. The woman is afraid to leave her home these days for fear of harrassment.”
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If someone harasses her, she can respond like they did the night of the BOCS meeting and just tell them to ‘Kiss her A$$!’
rhyme timeon 2 Nov 2007 at 12:41 pm:
You forgot the last line………
…..AND IF THEY GET CAUGHT, THEY’LL BE OUTTA HERE ON THE NEXT BOAT!
PWC Volunteers endorsed Pandak. She promised not to promise them what she can’t pay for.
peace said 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
Why do we get the constant spin that “the hispanics are afraid?”
The were not too afraid when they illegally crossed the border. They were not too afraid when the stole someones SSN number.
They were not afraid when they get drunk and drive with no drivers license. JUST WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? Are they all wimps?
What aggravates me is the whole issue about Hispanics. I have no prejudice toward Hispanics, Pols, Koreans, Cambodians, Germans, Italians, Native Americans, Japanese, Canadians, Guatemalans, Porta Ricans….you see my point. All of these groups of people can be illegal aliens, not just Hispanics. I often wonder why they think they have the market corned on illegal immigration!! I am tired of my 18 y/o daughter complaining that she was approached by a Hispanic man trying to give her a ride while she walked to the corner store. I have no quarrel with you if you are here LEGALLY!!!
I married a Filipino woman while serving in the Navy and stationed in the Philippines. When it came time for me to come back home, my wife and oldest daughter and step son had to stay behind. Their paperwork was not complete yet. I didn’t cry racism or foul. It is the law!!!
Racism is tossed around too much now. Don’t they know that over use of a word will cause its meaning to be diminished??
The simple thing here is, if you are here in the USA LEGALLY you have nothing to worry about and the problem is NOT with you.
If you are here and have an anchor baby, see ALL of you later. You do not get a pass because you can have a child while here illegally. The parents are the ones causing the family to be split apart, not the LAW!!!
If all the local hospitals are losing millions of dollars every year due to illegals using the ER as their primary medical care, wouldn’t it make sense for the hospitals to fund the resolution or at least make a substantial contribution towards the effort?
Somebody should distribute flyers all over town in Spanish that tell the illegal crowd to vote for Stewart, Fitzsimmonds, etc. - even attach on it images like Colgan’s anti-immigration flyer and something Pandak has on the issue to make it look logical. Even after the illegal apologists start to figure it out, the illegals will have gotten a look at the stuff Colgan and Pandak are saying about how they have a plan to “deal” with the illegals.
Who writes Spanish? Who has a printing press?
John Light 11:54 - We don’t know about other nationalities. The Koreans are very savvy and own a lot of businesses incl. sidewalk stands in many, many places. We don’t know how many are illegal, but those in the know might have a way of telling their fellow Koreans to go out and vote. There are lots of Vietnamese, not to mention Indians and Pakistanis in the area. Do we know whether they have a phone network going?
As for the statement (not yours) “go out and vote in Spanish”. How do you vote in Spanish?
Leila said 2 Nov 2007 at 1:40 pm:
English is the language of this country like it or not.
peace said on 2 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
“I have an acquaintance who is an American caucasian man married to a Hispanic, naturalized American woman. The woman is afraid to leave her home these days for fear of harrassment.”
I don’t know why your friend’s wife would be afraid to go out. I live in Prince William County and there is no harassment going on. People are going about their daily lives. So please stop using the “fear” and “race” card.
From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
Date: Friday 2NOV07 11:30 a.m. EDT
GOP’s Tancredo & Sessions sign Shuler’s Democratic bill to take jobs from illegal aliens
DEAR SUPPORTERS OF ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION,
The SAVE Act by Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) has gotten another big boost with the co-sponsorship of Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), the top congressional leader of the fight against illegal immigration for the last decade.
Tancredo is one of a growing number of Republicans who are putting Principle Over Party Partisanship in backing the Enforcement-Only bill that started with a few dozen Democrats.
Another new co-sponsor is Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas) who was thrown by re-districting into a head-to-head election with Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas) earlier. Sessions defeated Frost, who was one of the House Democrats’ top Party leaders, in part because Frost insisted on an Amnesty and Rewards First approach to illegal immigration, while Sessions has been one of our most steadfast allies in pushing illegal aliens to go home.
Scores of Democrats and Republicans are setting aside partisan bickering on this one issue to try to actually solve a problem that is plaguing much of America.
The courageous Democrats pushing the SAVE Act are standing up to their pro-amnesty national Party leadership and Presidential candidates.
The courageous Republicans who are signing onto the SAVE Act are setting aside partisan maneuvering for next year’s elections. Here’s the equation:
1. Most of the Democrats who are likely to be in competitive races next year are getting behind this bill. The freshmen Democrats, in particular, realize that if they want to be sophomore Democrats, they need to give their constituents a real solution to illegal immigration.
2. This bill may make it harder for Republicans to defeat those freshmen Democrats and regain majority of the House.
3. Why would Republicans help out on a bill like that?
That question came up in meetings of Republicans this week. The Republicans are well aware that this bill will be politically advantageous back home for every Democrat who signs onto it.
But in the end, more and more Republicans, like Tancredo, Sessions and Brian Bilbray (the current chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus) are joining the Democrats because they are Putting Principle Ahead of Partisan Politics.
These Republicans who are serious about actually solving the illegal immigration problem know that nothing is going to get better soon unless they can find a lot of Democrats who are willing to join in the fight.
Heath Shuler’s SAVE Act is the best opportunity in a very long time for that to happen.
Personally, I have no problem with hispanics other than their lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, raping, sense of entitlement…
“Truth” has a wonderful saying,
encapsulates all you’ve been braying,
and so HSM, you can now shout at them,
the slogan for which you’ve been praying.
Truth, you’ve encapsulated the feeling of this site far more succinctly than a poet! But you need to work on your English comprehension a bit. From an earlier post: “they could care less.” For all native speakers it’s “COULDN’T care less.”
Anonymous, it is truly annoying the way you make your own statements appear to be quotes from someone else.
The United States has no official language diesignated in law. I agree that English is the language of the country in a general sense, but there has never been a time in this country’s history that non-English speaking immigrants and even their descendants haven’t had media in other languages. Not in past centuries and not now.
Whether *you* like it or not.
It is actually Americans living in other countries who are far less likely to learn the language then immigrants to our country. Americans are notorious for that kind of enclave behavior. The numbers are just so small it isn’t an issue.
Tell the illegals, in Spanish, to vote for Stewart, Fitzsimmons, et. al and also tell them that Amnesty is on the ballot. Tell them Colgan wants to round them up and put them in camps. Tell them there is a ballot initiative to make it illegal to speak Spanish in a supermarket, and another to make it illegal to purchase tortilla shells without proof of citizenship. Tell them also that there is an initiative on the ballot to segregate all Latino children in PWC schools and instead of teaching them general cirriculum to train them as gardeners, nannies, etc. Also tell them another initiative will force anyone who doesn’t speak English well to wear “shock collars” which controlling authorities can feed electricity into. Make this really wild and see how many people believe it if it’s printed in Spanish.
Under the SAVE Act:
Social Security Administration required to share “no-match” information with Homeland Security. This removes the basis of activist judges who have been trying to stop the Bush Administration’s use of “no-match” letters to root out illegal workers whose Social Security numbers don’t match other data in the Social Security database.
Prohibits employers from deducting wages paid to illegal aliens. The IRS already knows which workers don’t have legitimate Social Security numbers but won’t share this information. This provision of SAVE allows that information to stay within the IRS but instructs the IRS to not allow any wages paid to these particular employees. The result will be much higher taxes for businesses that have illegal aliens on the payroll. This is a provision championed by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) who is the ranking Republican on the House subcommittee on immigration.
ALL employers (no matter the size of their company) would face fines and possible criminal prosecution if they hire an illegal alien — from the very beginning. The phase-in of E-Verify (described below) does not change that requirement for ALL businesses.
But unlike now, employers would have to start using the E-Verify electronic verification system on their new hires. Because of difficulty in ramping up the present VOLUNTARY system to handle that much work, the mandatory requirements would be phased in.
During Year 1, all government agencies, government contractors, plus all businesses with more than 250 employees, would have to run all NEW hires through E-Verify.
During Year 2, all businesses with 100 or more employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 3, all businesses with more than 20 employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 4, all businesses with fewer than 20 employees would be added so that all businesses use E-Verify for new hires.
Also during Year 4, ALL businessese would be required to run all their PREVIOUS hires through E-Verify.
Although in many ways it would be nice to immediately kick all illegal aliens out of their jobs all at once, it will probably be more orderly and create far less backlash and potential for the open-borders types to stop the program if we phase E-Verify in over four years.
Under phase in, the illegal alien community will feel an immediate squeeze that will start driving more of them to give up and go home, expecially those who lose their job and start looking for another one.
And each year, the squeeze will become more and more severe. Only three years after passage, every illegal alien in America who is in a job and working for a company that doesn’t want to run afoul of the law will be run through the E-Verify and other procedures of the SAVE Act. Virtually all of them will be identified as illegal, and most of them will lose their jobs.
There aren’t enough odd-jobs and off-the-books jobs in the underground economy to soak up even a small fraction of the estimated 7 million illegal workers in the country. Most illegal aliens will no longer find enough work to support them and their dependents, and most of them will eventually give up their lives of illegality and go home — ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION.
/\/\3|)ic 64, Did you just write “Porta Ricans”? Did you just include them with Guatemalans as groups who are “not just Hispanics.” What does legal or illegal have to do with boorish behavior toward women? Is your daughter certain that the man who offered her a ride is illegally in the country? Are you certain he is not, for example, on TPS? How by looking at him do you know his legal status? Do you think Americans or legal resident immigrants never act badly toward women on the street? Do you get out much?
Rick Bentley, you are advocating election fraud. Do you really wish to do that?
What is the down side of the SAVE Act? There has to be something in it because no Act is good for both sides!!! TY Anonymous for bringing this to light. I have hope that all will return to normal soon.
What happened to assimilation? Yes, America has had immigrants throughout its history, but they came to America and assimilated. Learned the American way and the language. We have become too PC. There is a month for everything now, Black History month, Latino month and Black Miss USA. What do you think would happen if there was a Miss White USA or we said black men only play basketball (White men can’t jump movie reference).
The n word crap. With this sorry state of affairs, why would anyone want to come to America?
I am curious how Native Americans and Porta (sic) Ricans can be considered illegal aliens.
I misspelled Puerto Rican.
I am sure others do, but I do not hear her complain about them. I get out quite a bit! He may very well be here temporarily and LEGALLY, but like anything else, it is one bad apple that ruins it for many!
I am tired of trying to fight my way through Wal-Mart and the grocery store. The little heathens need to be controlled. I have been standing in the aisle trying to shop and had a little Hispanic child come running around the corner and slam right into the basket. While he was trying to get up, I told him to go stay with his mom in a stern voice. She came back and tried to scold ME for her child’s behavior. The best days of shopping were when they boycotted!!
As I said before, I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants from ANY country. I am tired of people here ILLEGALLY thinking they have rights since they are on US soil. You do not get the benefit of the constitution just because you walk in America.
/\/\3|)ic 64, you fit in perfectly here.
There was a white Miss USA and Miss America. It was the defacto status of both pageants for most of their history. In fact, the first Jewish contestant for Miss America was a huge deal because the pageant was so homogenous. Cultural privilege is invisible if you are the dominant group. What exactly do you mean by the “n word crap”? Are you all brokenhearted over Dog the Bounty Hunter or something. Is that epithet something you prize?
Leila said on 2 Nov 2007 at 2:52 pm:
Anonymous, it is truly annoying the way you make your own statements appear to be quotes from someone else.
Perdona me. Neglected to take out the “said”. Lo siento, mucho!
Dolph…good point! I was wrong to include them in my post.
/\/\3|)ic 64, it is fascinating that you think all the little “heathens” as you put it who wreak havoc in grocery stores are Hispanic, much less illegal aliens. Those kids were likely born here and so you have no problem with them, right? They are citizens just like you.
Or if you have a problem with their behavior, then how does their ethnicity matter since nobody has a monopoly on that sort of behavior. Why make it a racial or ethnic issue? Why not just complain about the behavior if you are so thin-skinned that one kid running into your cart is enough to send you into such a tizzy.
/\/\3|)ic 64
“You do not get the benefit of the constitution just because you walk in America.”
I disagree.
Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.
I don’t advocate election fraud, but the first idea I had before I went all sarcastic is probably valid one - flyers in Spanish that confuse the issues, using Democratic candidates’ own disingenuous campaign materials.
And Black History Month, like it or not, came about as a reaction to how Euro-centric and selectively dishonest our scholling was when I was a kid.
Attention Walmart shoppers…….look out for the poco animales.
Medic64……..just run them down with your shopping cart the next time. They will soon learn……well, maybe they won’t!
There were white Miss USA and Miss America pageant winners, but the point I was making is there is not a WHITE Miss USA pageant, unlike Black Miss America. Why is it ok for their to be 2?
I am not broken hearted at all Leila. I find it to be a very derogatory word and shouldn’t be used. My point was all of the Politically Correct crap going on. In Dog’s case, he said that in the privacy of his own home. Are we going to get to the state where you can not have any free speech in your own home?
What exactly does your statement I fit in perfectly here mean? Just because I am a citizen that is tired of the illegal immigrants and support the resolution vigorously?
Medic64, what was that kid’s mother doing out shopping? I thought they were all scared and don’t leave the house? Hmmmm
Leila,
I’m not against any person speaking any language they want to people who understand it. For many reasons it is a social requirement to retain a native language, jokes are understood, slang, nuances, etc. I am very comfortable with people of all nations retaining and using in private conversation any language they want.
Where I draw the line is when a language is used intentionally as an exclusion mechanism, a means to speak covertly in public, a means to harass and intimidate others (say bad things they cannot understand), and a means to politically rally a supremacist racial or ethnic group to love only your own kind and hate or reign supreme over all others who don’t speak your private cultural language.
We live in a modern multi-national society, and there is no possible way we can all communicate effectively in the thousands of different languages and dialects and have a hope or a prayer of resolving differences, conflict, learning to trust one another or understand one another. For this reason and this reason alone it is imperative everyone learn to use and speak just one international language in public. If you have to make this a law to get the desired result of peace and harmony, then we need to make it a law if its not done voluntarily. The cost of dual, triple, quadruple, etc up to thousands of languages and media formats is enormous and wasteful in public policy, public business, public communication, etc and there is no real need to encourage people not to learn a common public unifying language.
Unless of course you use it as a reason to continue to socially and philosophically separate your group from all others as being supreme, above the law, and special in some twisted indignant, arrogant ethnic supremist way.
When people unify in a common culture, just like in the Greek Democracy, they have peace and stability for hundreds of years. When they do not they have conflict and war for hundreds of years. French speaking Canadians showed us the consequence of this (a snobbish, divided nation), citizens of Bosnia, Hertz, Serbia, etc. showed us the consequence of this, and now people of “illegal” immigrant populations (ALL of them) are showing us the consequense of this. The consequence is conflict, fear, anger, mistrust, hatred, arrogance, and a divided Nation.
What kind of country do you want to live in, culturally harmoneous or culturally divisive? Language is a key component in causing these symptoms and results.
It has been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects has rendered it worthy of being continued in future times.
Leila, how do you know they were born here and are citizens. If you have a way of confirming that just by looking at them, please let us know.
http://thevoice.name/?p=4559
“Recklessly Hiring of Illegal Aliens Leads to Serious Federal Prison Time”
This is GREAT News! Lookout all of you that “aid and abet” and hire illegals! Your time is short in getting away with it!
The Patriot Patrol will be highly active in reporting suspicious activity.
Lelia, it has not been just one. I have had to dodge many on several occasions. It just seems that I dodge more Hispanics than any other.
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“The man does not live who is more devoted to peace than I am. None who would do more to preserve it. But it may be necessary to put the foot down firmly.”
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Anonymous, do that and I get sued!…Don’t think for a minute it has not crossed my mind.
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Rick, I agree that some schools didn’t teach the right thing. But it seems that everyone has to have a history month. Why does it have to be ethnically tied to anyone?
It is very typical for many immigrant families to allow their children to run wild in stores in our area. I have surmised that this behavior, or lack of it, is just a cultural difference. The lack of discipline with young children makes shopping a horrible experience for those of us who raised our children with a very firm knowledge of ‘the grocery store squeeze.’
Interestingly enough, I have seen older kids admonishing their younger brothers and sisters about behavior and trying to get them under control. They are embarrassed, know that the behavior in socially unacceptable, and provide clear proof to me, that assimilation is happening. It just often takes a generation.
Anonymous, I very carefully said “likely” in terms of the children being born here. I said that because /\/\3|)ic 64 specified a “little” child and I would reasonably guess that children described as “little” who go careering into carts, may well be American-born, not carried over.
With all the constant use of that questionable term “anchor baby” around this blog, I would assume you would understand the reasonable probability of a explicitly described “little” child being a citizen.
Michael, extremely good point!!! You have said what I have been trying to say. I am just a good word smith and I trip over myself sometimes trying to get my point across, but you have put forth a point I want to make!!
64, you really should evaluate why you are using the language you are using. Put it in terms of some-one else describing you and your children with the same words you are using to describe others. If you do I think you will understand why we want a society that is gender, racial, religious, and ethnic group neutral. Hatred and anger goes both ways, but should not be used at all to describe any human being or child. Your only legitimate argument here should be whether you or your children are harmed by the “illegal” activities of others. For anyone who is a legal law abiding person in this country, you should show the greatest of respect and understanding as if they were you or your children. A moral and just society demands nothing less of you and the language you use. Once you learn to be neutral on this issue, you will be able to effectively protect yourself and your family from harm by others.
/\/\3|)ic 64, regarding Dog. Do you happen to know how it was taped if it was said in the privacy of his own home? Was it his son who taped it? The news accounts don’t say. I would guess it would have to be the son unless it was a cell phone monitor of some kind.
T J,
“Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular.” –Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258
If I read this correctly, we welcome them as long as they assimilate.
The often heard charge about families being split up is not about a parent and child. Our country has not, in recent history at least, denied parents their children just because the child was an American citizen.
The charge stems from the fact that often 1 spouse is here legally and the other is not. Therefore, if 1 is deported, the families are split up.
Immigration laws and procedures are not quite as simple as some would have us believe.
Yep, I was in Wal-Mart also a couple days ago. Place was a zoo with all the screamming hispanic kids running in to shoppers, acting like brats…and their parent(s) with their friends carrying along like nothing was out of control (of course, their legal status is unknown). Legal hispanics are aiding and abetting their ILLEGAL bretheren. They, for the most part, are one united front AGAINST America and must be stopped. I don’t see any attempt (locally) by the LEGAL hispanics to combat the ILLEGAL ALIEN blight. Also, I have NEVER seen any hispanics form an “Adopt-a-Hwy” type group to PICK UP THE TRASH on our streets and in the neighborhoods they live in. Last Saturday there were many non-hispanic bikers picking up trash along 28 in Manassas….where were the hispanics? Most likely littering.
Michael, why don’t you lecture the National Council of La Raza. They need a lot of your “wisdom”.
Having said that (and not to attack you, but the tone), I agree parents of all races and ethnic groups should learn to discipline their chidren in public so as not to be offensive to other people.
Michael, the only problem I have is paying my hospital bills, my medical insurance, carry uninsured motorist insurance and deal with the people that live next door.
There are 10 people living in a 1 bedroom apartment.
Why should I have to pay my way and that of others? I think many people have the same feeling and we are tired of it. As I stated, I have no problems with ANY ethnicity living here LEGALLY!! What part of ILLEGAL is not ILLEGAL?
Dolph, I agree kids should behave themselves in stores, use indoor voices, etc., but I haven’t noticed it happening more with immigrant kids. The thing is, there is so much obnoxious behavior in public of all kinds that kids running wild in a store seems mild. I’d rather endure a tiny child of immigrants colliding with me then listen to the shouted drunken semi-literate talk, like, of frat boys and sorority girls on the street in Georgetown, like, all the time, like. But public is public.
Patriot, I agree. I wish I had more time to get on a La Raza site. I am with you guys, not against. I just think some people need a civility lesson on the foundational principals of our constitution and what makes our country so great. I would never call anyone on behavior here on anything if I didn’t think it would make us all better citizens the world would be proud to know. Anyone is free to call me on my behavior as well. Such, makes me more reflective and a better person. Again you are doing a great job of keeping us all informed on serious issues around the country. I personally appreciate your tireless work and the information it provides me so I can make intelligent decisions about how I feel about this issue.
I’m with you 64, not against you. I just use a gentler tone. Sometimes that is misinterpreted.
Leila, I agree with your comment about public behavior. I was brought up in a home where you were expected to act like you have some sense about you when in public. It must have been the time, because my behavior was a direct reflection on my parents and I didn’t want to embarrass them in any way, so I behaved. Not out of fear, but respect!
While I was stationed in San Diego, my wife and 2 children visited the Hospital I was stationed at. They came for lunch with daddy. It was a treat for the kids to do that. We went to the McDonald’s downstairs. After we sat down they began to eat. After they were finished, an elderly woman approached us and complimented my wife and I for having such well behaved children. Again, they behaved not out of fear, but respect for their parents.
I guess that say is gone since discipline is no longer allowed in the home.
Leilah,
In Manassas it is very obvious and it is mostly with very young children. I find it reassuring that the older siblings find the behavior unacceptable and will admonish the little ones and sometimes, the parents about making little kids behave. Some of the lectures I have witnessed have been amazing.
Michael, I understood that from your post. (c: It is hard to dictate tone in written form (c:
Maybe we should do what Indonesia did in the late 20s. In order to tie their multitude of islands and island dialects togeter they created Bahasa Indonesia, an artificial language with words from Malay, Dutch (they ruled the country for a long time), Portuguese (Spice Islands), Arabic (most populous muslim country in the world), etc. Bahasa is the official language, but many children come to school speaking only their own dialect. We could draw from Norse, English, Spanish and the tribal dialects and create a whole new American language!
Wouldn’t it be fun for all to have the experience of learning a new language?
I called Congressman Davis’ office to see if he had come on board with the Save Act and the person answering the phone couldn’t help me. He needed a number for the Save Act. Does anyone have it? TIA I can’t remember who said this, but I recently heard someone say, “We have Liberty as long as we obey the law.” I think illegal aliens need to be shown what that means.
Dolph, it all comes down to assimilation. The parents probably ran around in the public market, so it is perfectly ok for their children to do the same here. The older siblings are trying to assimilate and that is a good start.
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I agree with the comment about using English when you are in the presence of others that do not speak the language you do. I work for an Iranian, who has an Iranian partner. They speak Farsi unless there is someone around that doesn’t speak it at which point they immediately start speaking English. I have high respect for people who do that.
Krutis, your description of Bahasa doesn’t conform with what I have heard. See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_language
It isn’t artificial. It is no Esperanto thank God. Anyway, English is enough of a blended language for me. It is so much the richer for the overwhelming French influence of the Norman Conquest, for the history of colonialism and exploration, for every intrusion, etc.
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Krutis, while that seems like a logical thing to do, why should I have to assimilate to a different language? The people immigrating to the US should be able to understand English. Do you realize the world impact if we changed the language? The Philippines were in a similar situation and they adopted Tagalog for the official language.
Very wonderful quote 64 from T.J. I missed it until now. We could all use more of the founding father’s philosophy to solve this issue. Our collective problem on the issue and impact of “illegal” immigration on the safety and general welfare of society is one of educating everyone of all nations about our basic constitutional and national ethic principals. This country became what it is because of it, and we should all be extremely proud of it and fight to preserve it in the face of “illegal” foreign invasion. Other countries do not follow our principles and are where they are today as a consequence. We cannot let their opinion of how to behave in their native countires, determine how they are going to behave in ours, to drag this nation down, to the gutters of corruption, poverty and abuse that exists in these other nations and to destroy the principals and ideals of our nation’s originators, founded and encased in our national constitution and bill of rights.
There is a great 4 disk DVD I’d recommend everyone get from Borders or Barnes and Nobles called the “Founding Fathers”. A great history lesson on why they did what they did.
Leila said on 2 Nov 2007 at 2:52 pm:
Anonymous, it is truly annoying the way you make your own statements appear to be quotes from someone else.
The United States has no official language diesignated in law. I agree that English is the language of the country in a general sense, but there has never been a time in this country’s history that non-English speaking immigrants and even their descendants haven’t had media in other languages. Not in past centuries and not now.
Whether *you* like it or not.
It is actually Americans living in other countries who are far less likely to learn the language then immigrants to our country. Americans are notorious for that kind of enclave behavior. The numbers are just so small it isn’t an issue.
Wow, this is a shock to see Leila write this. She that can’t found a fault with illegals, who come here by breaking the law yet calls out those Americans who refuse to adapt. Typical self loathing American. Blames everyone but the illegals. You really do take the cake when it comes to this.
Do you care to back this statement up with facts?
Anonymous, what is your definition of “suspicious activity” to report?
Dolf
The often heard charge about families being split up is not about a parent and child. Our country has not, in recent history at least, denied parents their children just because the child was an American citizen.
The charge stems from the fact that often 1 spouse is here legally and the other is not. Therefore, if 1 is deported, the families are split up.
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No one is forcing anyone to split up the family. If 1 is deported, the spouse who is here legally and any children have the choice to accompany the deported spouse or remain here. The choice is theirs.
SAVE (Secure America through Verification and Enforcement) Act might not have a bill number yet because it hasn’t been introduced? I cannot find a bill number.
Here is a link Liela should check out… http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-29.pdf
COM-Leila hedges her comments with words such as: likely, far less likely, maybe, etc…
She is a self-loathing human. I can’t say self-loathing American, because I can’t tell by just her musings if she is an American
justice on 2 Nov 2007 at 3:51 pm:
They couldn’t be littering as they are “too afraid to come out of their houses.”
Michael, another one to ponder,
“The struggle of today, is not altogether for today — it is for a vast future also. With a reliance on Providence, all the more firm and earnest, let us proceed in the great task which events have devolved upon us.”
–Abraham Lincoln from the December 3, 1861 Message to Congress
Krutis on 2 Nov 2007 at 4:06 pm:
English IS a combination of other languages.
English has been our country’s national language for 200 plus years. People that come here need to adapt. Now if we must change our language, I vote for Klingon.
Starryflights
on 2 Nov 2007 at 4:11 pm:
The house has not assigned a bill number for the SAVE act as yet. They are still getting people to co-sponsor it.
Krutis said on 2 Nov 2007 at 2:39 pm: “We don’t know about other nationalities.”
With all due respect, you missed my point. What I was trying to point out is how the Libs chose a “race of the day”, if you will, and today’s race are the Hispanics. I listed all those other nationalities to prove a point. It is not right to say “Let’s do English or Spanish” and leave out every other nationality as if they are not important. It’s either all, or nothing.
California, in some places, has chosen all and I can only imagine how much THAT is costing the taxpayers (govt forms printed in every language spoken in the area). Since the Constitution, that which our laws are based on, is written in English, then English it is. Just as if I was to move to Brazil I would learn Portugese.
/\/\3|)ic 64 said, “Racism is tossed around too much now. Don’t they know that over use of a word will cause its meaning to be diminished??”
I have said the same thing about a certain Republican Candidate and his followers. I have been called a Racist for directing people to the Department of Treasury’s website.
To paraphrase what I wrote, here it is, “He has a law practice and a lobbying/consulting practice with a man who was paid $160,000 to be the lobbyist for FOCA (Friends of Charity Association). Go to http://www.foca.net/Members.stm out of the 6 members there at least 3 of them are listed on the United States Treasury’s BLOCKED PERSONS list and on the US Treasury’s web site http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/t11sdn.pdf they further mention those members to have ties to Al-Qaida. Here is just one link: http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/po3553.htm“
/\/\3|)ic 64 -
Another Navy veteran here. 10 years in the submarine force.
Here are some other things the SAVE Act would do:
Increases Customs and Border Patrol agents by 8,000, utilizes new technology and fencing to secure the border, and expands specialized enforcement programs, such as the “Tunnel Task Force”
Outlines provisions for recruitment of new agents and personnel through bonuses, student loan repayments, and other financial incentives
Creates a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite, and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Dept. of Defense to reduce costs and save taxpayer money
Increases investigative abilities of ICE by employing more agents and increasing cooperation between ICE and state and local law enforcement, including sharing personnel, information, and equipment
Creates new infrastructure for the detention, processing and removal of illegal aliens by increasing detention facility capacity, and streamlining judicial processes
Implements a targeted media campaign to inform illegal aliens of new laws and penalties, while also informing employers of penalties for hiring illegal immigrants.
The House should have a bill number next week. Will post it when notified by numbersUsa.
My point exactly Patriot. Why do we have to assimilate to them? We didn’t enter the country illegally! Klingon? Can you imagine ordering at McDonald’s???
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citizenofmanassas, I agree!!
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Anonymous, I agree, they make the choice to separate the family not the law. If they had not come here ILLEGALLY, they wouldn’t have to worry about this.
COM, you don’t actually ask questions, as we have established in an old thread, so there is no need to answer them. You supply your own answers along with the constant insults. The comment you quoted from me was about immigrants in general and media in non-English languages in the United States now and historically. It wasn’t about “illegals” [sic], so I hardly had the occasion to “blame” them as you suggest.
If you are surprised at what I said about Americans not tending to learn foreign languages in great numbers and often living in enclaves abroad, then I am equally surprised.
/\/\3|)ic 64 said on 2 Nov 2007 at 4:55 pm:
“My point exactly Patriot. Why do we have to assimilate to them?”
We don’t, we shouldn’t, and we won’t!
Rob, 5 1/2 Hospital Corpsman specializing in Orthopedics. Less than 3 months haze gray and under way. Mostly shore duty except overseas duty in the PI for 18 months.
HMMM….. Maybe that is a solution to the discipline problem, make it mandatory to serve in the military for 4 years. This gives the young person a trade and some money for school.
John Light, I hope you would learn Portuguese instead.
TDB, wow. My apologies to you for choosing accuracy over your dictatorial version of language. I used “likely” because I was making an assumption, but couldn’t be sure. One person ignored the “likely” I used and asked how did I know. Now you focus on the “likely” and accuse me of hedging. Perhaps you both can get together and make up your minds.
Leila, I learned some basic Tagalog while in the Philippines. I was not well versed, but could ask basic questions if I needed to. I at least TRIED to assimilate to my surroundings. Of course, like all good sailors, I did learn some curse words in Tagalog as well, not so much to use, but to know when they were used…..more of the assimilation. I wanted to know when I was being called an ugly name.
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Americans just want the enforcement the immigration procedures of the land. It isn’t like we are making these procedure up at this time to solve an issue, these procedures have been in place for quite some time.
People are just tired of waiting for the Gov’t to do something and are taking the initiative on their own.
Being that We the People ARE the government (and own it as well)….we are showing a great amount of initiative and should do so. Additionally, we should have our elected officials (who work for us) removed from office if they cannot and/or are unwilling to do what we want them to do.
Leila,
I used “likely” because I was making an assumption, but couldn’t be sure.
You know what happens when you “assume” someting don’t you?
Michael, immigrants in general retain and use their native languages until the second generation. On this issue, I don’t see it as an illegal vs. legal issue. Every day where I live in Arlington I see the children of Spanish- or Mongolian-speaking parents answer their mothers back in English and speak English among themselves. If you read historical accounts of immigration in the Ellis Island era, it was the same thing and those legal immigrants were blamed by nativists for not adapting fast enough. Within immigrant groups (legal or illegal) learning English or maybe even having it before one shows up is a matter of class, education, country of origin etc. I don’t doubt for a second that if English classes were offered all over the place for free or for very little money and at times that fit people’s work schedules that they would all be full. Even the (presumably) illegal workers who I have talked to who speak the least amount of English have tried their best to communicate and I have thrown in the bits of Spanish I could muster to speak to them. It is a matter of mutual openness.
The vast majority of the time, people speaking another language around you are not doing it to exclude you. When they are, that’s rude, but no more rude than going off in a corner to whisper in English, no more rude than any number of behaviors. It also has nothing to do with legality. If you doubt me, be a little metrosexual and go get your nails done and listen to the manicurists.
Patriot, we should not vote in certain person just because they are of a certain party.
I know Anonymous that you enjoy clichés. That’s a pretty safe assumption. Change the word to inference if you prefer.
Then why is it Leila when the Spanish speaking individuals start up their native tongue when my fiancee tries to speak to them. It is very uncomfortable for her at work in that environment. Should that not be an issue in the work place? Should you be required to speak English in the work place so to not cause any confusion to what is said and wipe out the possibility of thoughts you are being talked about in a less than favorable way? OHHH WAIT!!!…we can’t do that, it would be discrimination. SHEEESH…play that card when it is convenient.
/\/\3|)ic 64, I just said such situations were rude, but no more rude than whispering in a workplace in English. I don’t see any difference. I have sympathy for your fiancée to be faced with that. If anything is a matter of work instruction or safety, then I agree, it must all be in English if that is the universally known language there. If a couple of people are sitting around having lunch or similar, then I don’t think their behavior can be policed even if they are rude.
In terms of gossip. You would have to be consistent. Ban all foreign languages, all whispering, all private email, all stealing away to the stairwells, etc. Why is gossiping about someone worse in Spanish than a whisper with looks?
You would also have to insist on this for all Americans in foreign countries. Good luck with that
/\/\3|)ic 64 said on 2 Nov 2007 at 5:25 pm:
“Patriot, we should not vote in certain person just because they are of a certain party.”
You are correct! I vote based on the issues and who aligns with my stances on them. Democrats are totally out. Only Republicans like Tancredo and Hunter have similar views as me. The other ones clearly do not. I consider myself an independent.
Leila, keep living in your “sanctuary city” fantasy land!
Hopefully soon Leila, all the illegals will flee from here and flood your town in full force. I am sure you will be jumping for joy when that happens! I actually hope a large bunk house is established as your next door neighbor (where unknown people come and go during all times of the day). Then you will know what it is like.
Leila-
I’ve got to hand it to you girl - I do believe you could “spin” your way right out of a flippin’ tornado!
I would expect you not to complain either!
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 2 Nov 2007 at 6:40 pm:
I would expect you not to complain either!
Of course she would, and so would others, BUT it would be OUR fault for running them out of PWC!
Leila, I agree with you all the way to:
The vast majority of the time, people speaking another language around you are not doing it to exclude you.
Define “vast majority”, my experience has been “rarely” and it is rude, arrogant and frustrating for everyone not to be able to effectively communicate.
Actually I have personal experience that this “exclusion” is true. My wife is Asian. All her friends always talk their native language in front of people not of their culture, except to directly communicate with non-native speakers. They use it like code to talk bad about customers and to communicate among thenselves exclusively. They are excluding anyone who does not understand what they are saying, and doing it intentionally for their own benefit, not mine. I have mentioned this to my wife and that only makes her angry, so I ignore it. In the opinion of every non-native American girlfriend I ever had that I asked, it was perfectly OK to exclude people while you talked in your native language. They had no concept of RUDE in their opinion, and to be asked to do otherwise was to invite insult and racial discrimmination comments (completely undeserved). This is totally unacceptable in this modern international society, because ALL of them have the ability to speak ENGLISH as in International language, taught to them in native schools, they just don’t want to.
The burden should not be on this country to teach and fund, but to the native country grade schools to teach a fluent international language.
The only relationship that “illegal” has to do with language assimilation, is an “illegal” person has no real incentive to master the language quickly, especially if they view themselves as temporary. Unlike a person who has “legally” immigrated, who has a vested interest in learning quickly. The problem for the rest of us, is that “illegal” immigration compounds the communication problem by the number of “illegals” present. Less “illegals” less language and communcation problems.
And yes I agree the second generation is the first to “assimilate”, but only because we INSIST all the kids go to the same public schools. The problem most of us here have is that due to ethnic group supremacy attitudes amoung the “illegals” present in the country, they (but not all) don’t WANT to assimilate. That is publically acknowledged attitude. That is our greatest concern because it leads to conflict, mistrust and social elitism. That is not a concept the people of this nation will tolerate. I’m sure you can appreciate the seriousness of that to this nation’s culture, stability and security.
Leila,
Again, lets see some stats that will back up your opinion. You are not going to come up with them, because there are none. Stop making a fool out of yourself already.
Again, you are just a self loathing American. To you everything is on the same level, so in the end it does not matter who does what. That is typical liberal BS spin to cover up for the fact y’all hate America, and therefore need to insult it in order to make up for what is missing in the third World that y’all love so much. Though, it is pretty amusing that while you liberals love to say there is no difference between America and many third World cesspools, you are very unlikely to in fact want to live anywhere else but America. Of course in your case, you felt your middle America town was just to plain and had to escape from it.
You are the very person who loves to use the word “ugly American” yet go out of your way to defend the actions of illegals who come here and start to demand services and accomodations as if they have not left their Native Country.
Did you hear about the illegal alien supporter at the PW public hearing last month? Once she realized there was a member of the board who could speak and understand Spanish, she flipped out, why? Because he was able to understand what was being said but left out by the interpreter. Yes, that is rude behavior, but also not very smart. It just goes to show you have many illegals really feel, rather then the pr image they attempt to spin for you liberals and the media
But, you would rather attempt to shift the focus of this entire thread to those “ugly Americans”. If in fact we were talking about Americans who move overseas, then you would be right to bring it up, but that is not the case at hand.
Patriot e verify,
You are either compeletly ignorant of the statute or knowingly spreading misinformation. Being here illegally IS NOT A FELONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a civil violation, get it, got it, good!
John,
If one enters and is deported and enters the Country again they are not just charged with a “civil violation”. So, while it may not be a felony to be here illegally, in many cases it is more than just a civil violation. Got it? good!
Toss in that many illegals steal Ids or use stolen Ids, work here illegally, and or drive without a license, the “civil violation” is the least of their worries.
Patriot e verify,
You are either compeletly ignorant of the statute or knowingly spreading misinformation. Being here illegally IS NOT A FELONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a civil violation, get it, got it, good!
John - I believe Patriot said that it is a FELONY offense to harbor illegals, aid and abet….
manassascityresident said on 2 Nov 2007 at 10:11 pm:
Corr: That message was to John Locke.
I posted this under the Thread: HEH
I was asked to post this again here from a friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9np6cIP8yeE
Leila said on 2 Nov 2007 at 4:27 pm:
Anonymous, what is your definition of “suspicious activity” to report?
What is it you don’t understand about “suspicious activity?”
John Locke said on 2 Nov 2007 at 10:02 pm:
Patriot e verify,
You are either compeletly ignorant of the statute or knowingly spreading misinformation. Being here illegally IS NOT A FELONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a civil violation, get it, got it, good!
That’s for the 1st offense. The second and subsequent offenses are felonies.
To add to my post at 10:34,
The reason I was asked by a friend to post the above video, was brought up by a follow up video I discovered this evening.
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The girl in the video was not speaking of PWC….it was something that I came across in my research…here is a video I found tonight that sparked a conversation I had with a friend and why it was requested that I repost that video above……
It is just interesting…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NmXCl16LJk
COM, once again you appear to be delusional or perhaps to have mistaken me for someone else. But that’s ok. You appear to have a great deal invested in being incorrect.
Did anyone watch redawn’s video link? Young woman doing things right. Her husband is a US citizen and has served several tours of duty in Iraq.
Hey John Locke…..I guess you might not have passed your ESOL class? Why don’t you try to read English. I said “aiding and abetting” is a FELONY!
So, Ms Redawn, it seems that all the ‘do the right thing’ rhetoric has been nothing but bs and blather. What say you?
Redawn, thanks for the link @ 10:52, 11/2. This young woman’s mind has a flicker of reason. At least it’s a start, but she needs to think a little farther. First, it is presumptuous for anyone to come here illegally in whatever way they want, making up their own rules to “get themselves legalized.” Go home; start over by applying legally. True, it is difficult; not everyone will get in. That’s how regulated immigration works. The USA takes in 2M immigrants legally every year, more than all other countries combined.
She could also get a better idea of what we deal with if she used the analogy of the 12 men moving into her apartment (instead of next door). They could even pay a little for being there. They could even be fine, upstanding people. They could be any color or nationality or profession. But they would be using her sofa and hanging around all day and they would even be the type to use the bathroom. Maybe they could even do a little housework for her. Great! But they aren’t invited; there is only so much room. In fact sometimes, the bathroom is so crowded that 1 of them (only 1!) must urinate in the corner of the dining room. Does she find out who only the worst culprit is and “deport” him?
Legal2, I am curious where you get your figure of 2 million legal immigrants per year. Looking at figures from a wide variety of sources, I am not seeing anything close to that. For example, the Heritage Foundation says close to 1 million, FAIR has just over that, as does NumbersUSA, and one million, give or take a couple of hundred thousand, seems to be the standard in several other sources I found. Where are you getting the two million figure? I assume you mean actual immigrants processed to live here, not visitors.
Leila, the bottom line………there are too many! Period! Additionally, there are probably millions of legal residents who are aiding and abetting (which is a FELONY)! These people should be thrown in jail. Hopefully, our reporting will start making that happen!
Leila,
Sorry you missed again. You have consistently defended illegals. You support criminals, I do not. That hardly makes me the one that is always incorrect.
Though, I do like how you again avoid answering the questions. I have to hand it to y’all who defend criminals, you will go down looking like fools rather than to admit y’all are wrong.
Patriot, the issue in my question to Legal2 was the number of legal immigrants admitted annually, which he/she said was 2 million. It was not a question about the illegal population.