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Pre-Election Observations
By Greg L | 5 November 2007 | Prince William County | 69 Comments
While I’ve been away dealing with some family issues, my inbox continues to overflow with messages from helpful readers who want to make sure I’m not out of the loop. This certainly seems to be ramping up into a significant election, signalling what long-term shifts in the political climate will be over the next ten years. Here’s what the developing themes seem to be:
The DPVA is trying to find Spanish-speaking poll workers, and I’ve had a few emails forwarded from Democrat operatives who are desperately trying to find some at the last moment. After little Dickie Cranwell’s trashing of local Democrats in their districts as pro-abortion, anti-gun, Nancy Pelosi wannabes in Districts where this isn’t going to fly, their attempt to align themselves with the illegal alien lobby is another dumb move. Maybe it’s just little Dickie showing how useless he is as DPVA Chairman, but this is more likely representative of the entire DPVA leadership.
The editorial board of the Manassas Urinal-Massager had without a doubt weighed in as a charter member of the illegal alien lobby, also. Notice the letters to the editor by some folks saying they’re going to cancel their subscriptions? I have. Not only do they repeat the patently false statements made by by their favored candidates — a treatment they’d never give to mainstream Republicans — but they actually take fools like Corey Riley seriously.
The illegal alien lobby is desperately trying to sell the idea that reducing the number of illegal aliens in Prince William County is nothing more than an election ploy by Republicans. The more they discount the legitimacy of this grassroots movement, the easier it’s going to be to catch them by surprise again. The persistent stupidity of these folks is just amazing, if they actually believe the baloney they’re pushing on the electorate.
The intel continues to come in that this is going to be a higher turnout election than what otherwise might be the case. Perhaps dedicated citizen engagement can translate into more dedicated voters? That will take another election to prove.
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The only way Corey Riley gets any votes is if people confuse him with Corey Stewart or me.
Let us just hope that there will be “due diligence” in making sure that illegals trying to vote are identified and reported and that their votes do NOT count.
Is there any rule/law that says you must exit the poll once you’ve voted? I’d like to hang around inside for a little while and observe.
Bob:
If you have a signed letter for your county/city party chair you can be inside the poll as an observer/challenger. In this role you cannot speak to any voter or you will be asked to leave.
At least Virginia is a little tougher than other states. I’ve heard that Iowa and Maryland allow illegals to get driver’s licenses and register to vote at the same time. What’s to stop someone from coming to VA from these states with their license and a residency address, then register to vote here?
Really, it doesn’t matter whether illegals vote or note if all legal citizens come out tomorrow and let their opinions be known. Maybe this will be the issue that shakes our country out of this lazy mindset when it comes to voting; it’s pathetic that only about half of us on average even bother to come to the polls. I think that the “sleeping giant” has been awakened by Greg and the other good folks at HSM on this issue.
Riley,
Excellent point!
MJM/Potomac News actually printed my letter supporting the Honorable John Stirrup. I was quite pleased to see it in there. I started out by saying.”I’m sickened to read your endorsement of Corey Riley”..
jfk wrote, “Really, it doesn’t matter whether illegals vote or note if all legal citizens come out tomorrow and let their opinions be known”
OH YES IT DOES MATTER!!! It was bad enough when dead people voted JFK in, to have illegals voting would subvert the whole election process. We need to be vigiliant to make sure that ONLY legal citizens/residents may vote.
My belief is that we should start using biometrics to vote. We could have a chip on our driver’s license and by using the fingerprint, ONLY the person on the license would be able to use it. We have to do everything in our power to ensure the honor and integrity of the elections at all times.
If it is ok for illegals to vote, then why not just tell people from all over the world, “Hey, on 2 November, come on over and help us vote since we have so many here who are too lazy to!!!” (btw, that is sarcism to those of you who don’t know better)
We needn’t lose any sleep tonight over the possibility of
illegal aliens showing up at the polls tomorrow in an effort to
vote. I can’t believe this will happen. But then, after viewing
some of the footage (BTW, Patriot, thanks very much!) which
was provided by Patriot, I may be proven wrong. It’s a wait
and see thing, I suppose.
jfk, I agree, it is pathetic that more Americans refuse to
exercise this precious right. They deserve to live in a third
world country. But wait….at the rate things are going, we
all may find ourselves doing just that! Please go to Patriot’s
footage if you want a good scare.
From TEAMTANCREDO:
“Last week, Governor Spitzer reached an agreement with Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that will delay giving the licenses to illegals, probably until the end of next year. Secretary Chertoff hailed this agreement as “a major step forward for security, both for New York and the country.
Can you believe it?! A one year delay in granting driver’s licenses to illegal aliens is a “major step forward?” But then, what else would you expect from an agreement between a pro-open borders governor and a pro-open borders administration?”
Coming soon: Voting rights for illegals?
Wow, you all in PWC must have quite a different system. In Arlington, you have to be on the rolls already to vote, and in the right precinct, and I have never seen anyone not produce ID. The notion that some wave of illegal aliens is going to muscle its way into PWC precincts is truly ludicrous. But I am curious exactly what will indicate to Patriot that he should make a challenge.
PS: I realize one can affirm one’s identity (to be checked out later), but you still have to be on the rolls and in the right place. I have seen people who waited an hour to vote be turned away because they were not in the right precinct. Unfortunately, I doubt Arlington’s turnout will be heavy, but I bet yours will be quite something.
Leila…better tell Arlington about the law…
§ 24.2-643. Qualified voter permitted to vote; procedures at polling place; voter identification.
A. After the polls are open, each qualified voter at a precinct shall be permitted to vote. The officers of election shall ascertain that a person offering to vote is a qualified voter before admitting him to the voting booth and furnishing an official ballot to him.
B. An officer of election shall ask the voter for his full name and current residence address and repeat, in a voice audible to party and candidate representatives present, the full name and address stated by the voter. The officer shall ask the voter to present any one of the following forms of identification: his Commonwealth of Virginia voter registration card, his social security card, his valid Virginia driver’s license, or any other identification card issued by a government agency of the Commonwealth, one of its political subdivisions, or the United States; or any valid employee identification card containing a photograph of the voter and issued by an employer of the voter in the ordinary course of the employer’s business.
Different question for you folks:
VPAP tracks donations in excess of $1000 that come to candidates in the last two weeks of the campaign. Campaign committees must report such contributions within 24 hours of receiving them.
As of the last VPAP report, over $5 million has come in to various candidates. Candidates in hot head to head races have brought in over $100K, some over $250K.
Yet in a race that is supposed to be competitive Colgan received no large last second contributions, and Fitz only $11.5K
Is this race considered a done deal? If not, why do you think so little last second large $$ money coming in?
Leila, I am not going to hang around! My “due diligence” statement is primarily for those individuals that conveniently “forget” their id.
Anonymous, Why should I “tell Arlington”? This is exactly the procedure they have followed in my decades voting there. However there is a procedure for affirming in Virginia. Someone here on BVBL mentioned it, and I had heard it before.
Here it is, from Voter Registration (see last sentence)
Do I Have to Show ID to Register or Vote?
All Virginia voters are required to show ID when they go to the polls or vote an absentee ballot in person. The most common forms of identification, a valid Virginia driver’s license or a voter information card, are acceptable for all voters. For most voters in most elections, if you forget to bring your ID to the polls, you can still vote after you sign a simple form affirming your identity.
Be on the lookout for illegal sample ballots!!!
http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/illegal-sample-ballot-distributed-in-pwc/
Anonymous, Arlington already follows that law, so no need to “tell” as you facetiously suggest. Although there is a policy of allowing a person to affirm their identity in Virginia. At least that is what is stated by Voter Registration, although I have never seen anyone do it.
Do I Have to Show ID to Register or Vote?
All Virginia voters are required to show ID when they go to the polls or vote an absentee ballot in person. The most common forms of identification, a valid Virginia driver’s license or a voter information card, are acceptable for all voters. For most voters in most elections, if you forget to bring your ID to the polls, you can still vote after you sign a simple form affirming your identity.
Patriot, I see. So your due diligence statement is addressed to the voters on this blog. Well that that will certainly be effective
When those of you in the 51st District go to the polls, don’t forget the 2 June “Convention,” the two overvoted precincts, and the two-month long review of the appeal.
Early predictions for Prince William
WINNERS
HOUSE:
Faisal Gill
Scott Lingamfelter
Bob Marshall
Jackson Miller
Jeff Frederick
SENATE:
Chuck Colgan
George Barker
BOCS:
Sharon Pandak
John Stirrup
John Gray
Frank Principi
Leila,
Your blind support of illegals just makes you out to be very stupid. Have you heard of the motor voter law? It is very possible for illegals to vote. How many that do is not known of course. However, there is not question illegals do vote, and of course that is against the law.
BTW, there is no law in VA that says you have to show ID to vote.
Recall Arlington is also the County that produced this “smart” leader who said about illegals…. We do not want illegals living as if they have done something illegal.
I don’t believe those early predictions.
anon 1:16 haha pandak and prinicipi…right….not in this life, at least not unless illegals in swarms managed to vote which imo is bound to happen anyway.
Colgan and Barker are also a stretch at this point as that race is way too tight to call. Colgan more than likely will hold on, but O’brien has the edge on Barker.
Leila - I cannot remember the last time I have been asked to show ID and I have lived in both Prince Willam AND Fairfax counties!!!
Usually you walk up to a table and give your name and address. Try this WITHOUT having ID in hand - odds are if your name has not been crossed off yet and you are on their rolls, they will let you vote. IF they ask for ID…please be sure to thank the individual for taking the extra step and then immediately produce said ID - I usually walk in with my voter registration card and drivers license prepared to show both.
Anon, you left off School Board.
That being said, I agree with the statement about the 50-worst convention. I encourage all of you voting in the 51st to verify the information I am providing to you here and then remember when you vote (from a previous thread of mine):
“Another issue you fail to address is who Faisal is in business with RIGHT NOW. He has a law practice and a lobbying/consulting practice with a man who was paid $160,000 to be the lobbyist for FOCA (Friends of Charity Association). Go to http://www.foca.net/Members.stm out of the 6 members there at least 3 of them are listed on the United States Treasury’s BLOCKED PERSONS list and on the US Treasury’s web site
http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/t11sdn.pdf
they further mention those members to have ties to Al-Qaida. Here is just one link: http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/po3553.htm”
If the US Treausry has issues with Faisal’s cronies, and certain people running for local office who have direct ties to the Intelligence Community refuse to back him, well THAT speaks volumes, my friends!!!
They have never asked me for id in the park and of all places in this area that need to have STRICT voting regulations in place it is the park. Illegals will be out in droves tomorrow trying to vote, believe you me.
Wednesday will tell us for sure whether the people want 3rd world living conditions and anarchy, or whether we have all had enough and want laws to be enforced. Make or break time this election.
COM, wow you are telling me you don’t need an ID to vote after I just posted that there was an option of affirming (to be checked later). Exactly what information were you imparting there? You are just repeating what I said. It was Anonymous who posted as though an ID were required.
That’s interesting John Light. That means that Arlington, or at least my precinct, is wildly more diligent than either PWC or Fairfax. I have never in decades of voting in every single election *not* been asked for an ID or not seen everyone before me asked for an ID. In fact, I would say the entire mood at the table is as serious as you can get.
Oh, I will be soooo glad when it is Wednesday morning and we can all get down to business with the cards we are dealt.
This can work becuase illegal immigration is truly non-partisan as long as we the grass roots people keep it that way. We should not feed into those that are in this for personal gain and try to make you believe that some people are for illegals. Just assume no one is.
The state legislature is next. Lafayette and Patty continue to send those horrible photos to BOS for zoning (I would not rest until their inboxes explode, their voice mail collapses and you are totally happy); they will also run the Neighborhood Watch program like it was the Marines!!
Others focus on the state legislator that won (regardless of whom, pluuueeezzze) and get going on schools, businesses and identity cards…
As you can see, alot has been accomplished without a lot of money. (I had to get to money).
Lookin’ so forward to Wednesday…….
park’d - I agree with your assessments. That being said, if ANYONE can help Jay O’Brien out, please contact his campaign at jay@jayobrien.org. If you need talking points for friends and neighbors here they are:
10. Experience
The call to public service has guided Jay O’Brien throughout his life. In 1984 he lead Virginia’s reelection campaign for President Reagan. He remained active in Republican politics leading to his own candidacy and election to the Virginia House of Delegates from the 40th District in 1991. For the next decade Jay was handily reelected five more times. While serving in the House of Delegates Jay’s growing seniority and expertise were rewarded with assignment to the Committee’s on Education, Commerce and Labor, General Laws and Privileges and Elections. As Chairman, he led the Subcommittees on Students and Day Care and the Committee on Professional Licensure. In a 2002 Special Election, Fairfax and Prince William voters elected Jay to the State Senate where once again his dedication to public service was put to use for the people of Virginia with assignments to the Transportation, General Laws, Privileges and Elections, Rehabilitation and Social Services Committees.
9. Family Man
Senator O’Brien is the father of five children. On top of his busy political schedule and the time he works at his small furniture business, he spends his time watching his kids football games, making it to lacrosse tournaments and giving support on the sidelines for the school soccer team. Jay and his wife Sevea work together as small business owners in the office furniture industry. He remains active in the Reserve Officers Association, the Fairfax Rotary Club, and the American Legion. He and his family are parishioners at St. Andrew the Apostle Catholic Church.
8. Adoption
Being the father of an adopted child, Senator O’Brien has taken the lead role in adoption policy in Virginia. He has sponsored legislation to make adoption easier and this year he was able to have legislation passed to require the state to study tax assistance to promote adoption and legislation to make administrative changes to facilitate adoption. The Commonwealth currently does not offer any tax assistance to promote adoption. Previous studies have revealed the pressing need to find homes for children, but conclude that financial costs are a barrier to adoption.
7. Amber Alert
Senator O’Brien patroned Senate Bill 1269, 2003 that directs the Department of State Police to develop a statewide child abduction alert plan (the Virginia Amber Alert Plan) to rapidly publicize information on a child abduction. Pursuant to procedures developed by the Department of State Police, local law enforcement will notify the Department of State Police, who will take action, including activating the emergency alert system such as highway signs, radio emergency notice and TV emergency notices (news stations). This bill is specific to minors under 18.
6. Megan’s Law
Senator O’Brien also patroned House Bill 1187, 1998, which forces a sex offender, who has committed any sexual offense, register online with the Virginia State Police sex offender registry. If a sex offender moves into a new neighborhood or into Virginia they must notify the police and place their name on the registry, which is open to public access.
5. Teen Cell Phone Ban
Concerned with the high fatality rate of teen drivers, Senator O’Brien sponsored a bill that has banned all cell phone use for drivers under eighteen years old. This improves both their safety and limits the danger to the rest of us on the road.
4. Transportation Compromise
Senator O’Brien supported the Transportation Compromise that will bring $500 million in transportation improvements to the highways in Northern Virginia. He fought aggressively, to ensure that the full amount of money raised in Northern Virginia remains in Northern Virginia as opposed to being funneled to the rest of the state. This provision is a great success for commuters and the needlessly clogged highways in our area. He will also repeal the abuser fees.
3. Illegal Immigration
Senator O’Brien believes that we thrive as a Nation in large part because of legal immigration and the contributions of our neighbors who have legally come here seeking a better life. He also holds the belief that we thrive because of our reliance on and obedience to the law. Acceptance of American Law begins with legal presence. It is not too much to ask of our lawmakers, our outstanding police officers, or our society to respond accordingly.
Senator O’Brien was the first legislator to require legal presence in Virginia in order to obtain a State Driver’s License. He believes the public has a right to safety. If a person cannot provide proof of legal presence, he or she may be guilty of crimes elsewhere, on a terrorist watch list, or an absconder who failed to show up for a court appearance.
2. Veteran Services
As a graduate of West Point and having served 20 years in the Army Reserves, our veterans are very important to Senator O’Brien. The sacrifices they make for all of us are beyond measure. This is why Senator O’Brien created the bill that now gives veterans hiring preference in the Commonwealth of Virginia. He also wrote a successful bill that promises affordable tuition to military survivors and dependents.
1. Senator O’Brien is the only Virginia State Senator to answer his phone family and staff phone calls with a “Yo, dawg”.
Leila,
I said that to point out the fact because there is no law that says one has to show ID, that it can be taken advantage of by an illegal. Of course you ignore everything else I wrote.
Keep up the good work, you really are a prime example of the mindset needed in order to support criminals. You ignore facts, and questions, in order to avoid having to admit you are wrong.
I have always had to show an ID when I vote in PWC.
I have been asked for ID, not because it is the law, but just to make it easier for the workers to find my name and confirm my address on the voter rolls. I will “not” have my ID tomorrow and will report what happens.
COM, there is a law actually. Anonymous posted it complete with numerical code. He/she just didn’t post the caveat. And the affirmation has to be substantiated later or the vote does not count. The point is that I said exactly what you said (before you said it). That was that an ID wasn’t necessary. The lack of an ID can be wrongly taken advantage of by anyone, illegal alien, legal alien, or citizen. But if their registration on the rolls with proper documentation doesn’t eventually pan out, are you saying the vote is counted anyway? If you are saying that, can you provide some language from Virginia law that says that a person with NO identification, affirming their identity, has to do no further documentation to have their vote count?
In terms of mindset, it appears to be you advocating an illegal act by denying the regulations that exist and that were posted for you to read by Anonymous.
More specifically, you have to be registered and on the rolls to vote, whether you use an ID or an affirmation statement. They will only give you a *provisional* ballot if you are not on the rolls, but claim you have registered. If you have registered, then presumably you showed something to someone. Obviously that can be faked, once again, by illegal alien or legal alien. A citizen would presumably not need to, unless a felon.
Welcome back Park’d. I missed you. Ditto to what you said. … Pandak and Principi not in this life.
Leila,
Wow, you do like swinging and missing. The question at hand is are illegals voting. Yes, they do vote. At first you claimed they were not voting, but now in your best Hillary, claim they and anyone else could do the same. Again, this is not about anyone else, this is about illegals. Though, I understand that you being a self loathing American, you have to slam Americans right along with the illegals.
Again, if an illegal registered by using the motor voter law, they will be on the rolls which makes it possible for illegals to vote. It is not that hard to figure that out. Yet, because you can’t admit you are wrong, you have attempted to shift the focus of the topic which just makes you look silly.
More on illegal sample ballot. Seems that the phone number on it is for John Steinbach.
COM, I didn’t claim they were not voting, I expressed some doubt. I am quite open to being proved wrong. I asked for evidence they were. You haven’t offered any. You have just recycled the same childish insults toward me as usual. Apparently you cannot write a response without them, as others have remarked to me.
The subject expanded to a general discussion about showing ID. Others commented on that, but somehow that didn’t bother you, only my remarks did. As for Hillary, I’m not remotely a fan, as I’ve stated before. One more time: NOT A FAN.
I have been asked for ID the past 3-4 elections in Prince William County. I would just as soon try to joke with a US customs agent, noted for being devoid of humor, than with someone working the polling tables in PWC.
ID should be shown, in fact, I support picture ID.
How do the people at the election board find out about deaths in order to remove those names?
Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 2:55 pm:
“COM, I didn’t claim they were not voting, I expressed some doubt. I am quite open to being proved wrong. I asked for evidence they were. You haven’t offered any.”
You sound just like my Mayor of Carpentersville, IL, although OUR ambulance service is in the hole by hundreds of thousands of dollars, the Mayor does not believe that there are the many illegal’s in town. He is an idiot!
Proof of illegal’s is not documented, that is why they are called by the press “undocumented” and you and other liberals refuse to understand, they are here and they are abuseing OUR country. When you HAVE to learn Spanish, then I will be able to “prove” to you that they really are here.
Are they here, the fires in California uncovered 11 dead Hispanics that were hidding in the hills, that YOU killed by allowed them to exist! You are the murderer by not stopping the influx of illegals across the border. How it feel to be a killer and stupid at the same time?
Leila on 5 Nov 2007 at 12:55 pm:
Your “leader” there in Arlington (Teheja) let it be known to the latino community last week there that ID was not required to vote. How do you explain that?
Dennis, exactly how have I allowed anyone on the planet to exist? I don’t have that ability, not here in Virginia, not there in Illinois, and certainly not in the hill country of California. Your estimation of my powers is rather elevated. I have never even had a vote on illegal aliens in my jurisdiction as these folks in PWC have in a sense. I don’t dispute illegal aliens are a drain on public funds of the sort you discuss. Show me one place where I have said they aren’t. Also, show me one place, oh newcomer, where I have said illegal aliens aren’t here in this country. I know they are here. They live next door to me, I ride the Metro bus with them. I see them every day. Do you need to wash your windows? Let’s all chip in so Dennis can buy some Windex.
I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity.
I have no objection to learning Spanish. But I would propose that you learn English first, before I learn Spanish. Okay? Perhaps then you would know that a simple plural does not involve an apostrophe as in your “illegal’s” (twice, for the love of God). As for the “abuseing” and the “hidding,” I’ll give you those for free if you will just kill off the apostrophes.
You benefit from illegal aliens whether you like it or not, unless you grow all your own food, make all your own clothing, etc. etc. That might be a plausible way to suggest that a citizen allows them to exist, but it would be wrong as well since most of the time ordinary people don’t hold others’ existence in their power. But I am curious, if you argue they are allowed to exist, what do you suggest? Ending their existence? I do hope your intemperance doesn’t go that far.
Greg:
Is this blog on Standard Time yet?
Caramba, Anonymous. I thought I had just posted several times that Virginia allows people NOT to have an ID to vote. They can affirm. I didn’t write the law. I personally would question it. But it is the state’s regulation. So what I think of it is that Walter Tejada (any reason you are incapable of spelling his name?) was stating the law. He said immediately after that statement that he didn’t want anyone that was here illegally to vote, but naturally the first statement is the only one quoted by you. Imagine that, just imagine. In any case, Tejada’s statement wasn’t helpful.
Leila,
Of course illegals have voted in past elections. They can take advantage of the motor voter law to do so. That is not hard to understand. Even you admitted that illegals can vote. So, why do you keep trying to insist they do not? Now, it is they may not be voting in numbers to make a difference. Make up your mind on the issue.
Here is a press release that shows Congress has looked into illegals voting. So, you can keep going with the stupid and silly defense of show me proof, but no matter what proof we show you, you will still deny or not even bother to respond to any proof we provide. Just like you have refused to answer the very simple questions I have asked of all those that support illegals.
http://www.house.gov/list/press/ia05_king/PRalienvoting030807.html
Leila,
Do you support corporations?
You can be sure tomorrow that the illegals will be out in droves trying to vote. I was flabbergasted at the ‘04 presidential election that I wasn’t asked for my id. I had my voter card out and everything and I was asked my name, they looked into the book, there I was, and away I went with nary a thought in her mind to question me. My biggest fear is illegals voting tomorrow in this town where apparently the PTB think that we don’t actually have an illegal problem…
COM, thank you for *finally* for a link. I certainly acknowledge there is voter fraud of all kinds, illegal aliens included. I wouldn’t put it as you did, that “illegals can vote.” Beyond the false noun, there is the point of law that in most places they cannot. So it would be better to say that illegal aliens can break the law and vote.
I don’t understand your question on corporations. What sort of corporations? All corporations? Everyone who has ever formed one? The legal possibility of doing so? Exactly what do you mean and (just curious) why would you ask a question with such abysmal vagueness?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corporation
park’d, wow again! the folks in Arlington are such sticklers! But the people in PWC, MP, etc., appear to have all the alertness of Jeff Spicoli. I’m amazed.
Leila,
If illegals vote, then they “can” vote. That of course has nothing to do with the law, just that they can. Or to put it a better way, can I drive 140 mph on the beltway? You bet I can, even though the law says I can’t.
Do you benefit from corporations. Does that mean you support them all? I bet you answer no.
If felons with fake ID vote, COM, that means felons “can” vote. If 16-year-olds with fake ID vote, COM, that means they “can” vote. If legal alien, non-citizens vote, it means they “can” vote. But what exactly does wording it that way add to understanding?
On your second question, I would say that benefit from and support are two different things. One definitely implies an agency that the other does not. And I never suggested any such agency for Dennis. I also never said that he or anyone else on this blog supported illegal aliens by benefiting from them.
Actually that is pretty much what he was suggesting by his mad reasoning about killing illegal aliens in the hills of California and granting me godlike powers of existence-giving. Like everyone else on this blog, I benefit from illegal aliens whether I like it or not or support it or not. Something extremely drastic would have to happen for that to change (it won’t), and no matter what happens in PWC, you will still benefit from illegal aliens every time you visit the grocery store. It has nothing to do with support.
The law is obviously a bit vexed on the matter. Illegal entry into the US (first time) is a misdemeanor. ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care. Nothing is the kind of black and white you suggest, least of all in law.
Leila said: “ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care.”
We are working on changing all of this (to cut out ALL incentives)! As far as emergency care is concerned? I recommend that they be treated, the bill is sent to the country of origin, and then the patient is jailed to await deportation.
Patriot, what you wish for or recommend is not the federal *law* as it exists. Your own fabled resolution in PWC could barely find things it could deny. Drug counseling? oh ouch. The real teeth in the resolution is in the police powers, not the benefits. But I don’t doubt your personal patrolling perseverance. The capitalization of FELON alone…well, you know.
Leila,
But the fact remains regardless of the law, people who should not be voting are in fact voting.
If you support or benefit from corporations, meaning you buy or benefit from them then you support them when some of them engage in law breaking. How does benefiting and supporting corporations fit in with your lefty notions that big business is bad? When you attend your wine and cheese parties with your fellow liberals do you openly pronounce your support for enron
The real goal of the resolution is that it should send a message that lawlessness is not going to be accepted in the County, and if it makes the lives of illegals worse so be it. They can leave the County, which is another goal of the resolution.
And since we’ve granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how ’bout taking this one on.
Music Piracy Costs U.S. Economy $12.5 Billion, Report Reveals
If a policeman notices a “ripped” cd in your car, he should be able to ask you for documentation to prove you have a license to duplicate the original source recording. The presence of a copied cd without documentation would be probable cause to search the contents of your player - even if it is in your trunk.
This would address a real criminal problem, and should be of no consequence to those who have legally recorded their music.
Far fetched? I would have thought so, until the resolution passed!
Hey Peter Danlyn:
If the owners of pirated CD’s are wasting my tax money, having babies at the hospital and defaulting on the bills, causing my neighborhood and schools to deteriorate, and generally pissing off the tax paying, law-abiding citizenry, then I’d say you’ve got a pretty good idea!
The point is, when a community’s standards and laws are violated, they have a right to rise up and do something about it.
Regardless of the results of this election or any other, we’re going to take back this county, the Commonwealth, and the Country. One way or another.
There is another possible problem with the voting machines. There were a lot of errors where you would vote for one person and another would pop up. I worry that they are being tampered with because it happened so many places. This happened at several areas in the county. I would advise that if this happens to you to report it to this blog. There were a lot of questions about whether the Board of Elections were unable to do anything about it. Be vigilant!
COM, you appear to have a cookie-cutter view of the world. You have a mold in mind of liberals and you place that mold whether it goes or it doesn’t. I haven’t discussed support or opposition to big business at all on this blog except to observe that big business is the financial backbone of the Republican party (more so than the social base) and that it will balk at losing cheap labor. It already has balked. It has joined forces with the ACLU and labor to do so in federal court.
None the less you make all sorts of assumptions, based on zilch. You state that I have “lefty notions that big business is bad” without my ever offering an opinion. You appear not to even realize that the left and liberals are two different things. Liberals hardly think big business is bad. Who is backing your doppleganger Hillary? Do you really think there aren’t big business interests in the Democratic Party? Have you never heard of the Third Way? There is a continuum in politics you appear not to be aware of.
I also don’t attend wine and cheese parties of the sort you apparently imagine or have glommed from popular depictions of liberals. If I were to go, I would ask for a beer. If they had some money, I would ask for an import, but a regular beer is fine. Sorry to disappoint. The wine at such gatherings isn’t worth the trouble.
I guess by your reasoning on corporations, you support illegal aliens since you benefit from them. I wouldn’t have said it, but you said it clearly.
For my part, the biggest law-breaker I give money to is the Bush Administration and the laws are Constitutional and deathly important to me. But I admit not being willing to go to jail by not paying my taxes. I have plenty of political views that don’t conform with conventional liberalism. But never mind those, that would interfere with your cookie-cutting soul.
The problem with touching the space for one candidate and the other candidate’s name coming up is usually due to machine calibration.
If you notice it happening on the machine you are voting on, ask the workers to clean the screen and recalibrate it. Otherwise it will continue to happen for everyone who comes after you.
The machines need to be recalculated after so many votes but depending on how busy the polls are, that time changes. Some polls may do it every hour and others may only do it a couple of times a day.
Leila,
I made my point, thank you. You seem to think just by shopping in a grocery store we benefit from illegals. Instead of using illegals I used corporations. And, yes you made the comparison of the grocery store first.
Yes, the left/liberals do hate corporations. Think Exxon/Mobil, Enron, etc. They are the targets of many on the left. Even Hillary wants to take their profits.
Of course labor(left/liberals) love illegals because all they can think of is future voters.
Peter Danlyn said on 5 Nov 2007 at 5:48 pm:
And since we’ve granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how ’bout taking this one on.
I don’t think anyone has granted the police anything… The practice of confriming residency has always been allowed if there is a reason to pull them over. It has not really been necessary until recently. That’s all the police can do. Only ICE trained 287(g) officers can follow up (detain) on the residency status if otherwise the individual would be released on a summons.
Pretty sure I understand and read that correctly.
It amazes me, people debate and debate and debate “piss-ants”. (I’m not picking on just Leila and COM here). When I was a young military flight school student, my instructor had a saying while he was teaching me about stall warning in the T-38 (the T-38 could kill you very quickly). He’d say, Michael, don’t get lost in paying attention to all those instrument stall indicators while trying to do the other things you need to do to fly this approach, those are just the “piss-ants”. Pay attention my boy to the increasing vibration on your butt, that’s the wings starting to stall and it will go quickly before you can recover it, and you will die. Those are the Elephants jumping up and down on the wings and they are about to stomp on you!
People, the moral of the story is, no matter how much you debate the issues about helping out illegal immigrants, being kind to illegal immigrants, supporting help and social services for illegal immigrants, giving sanctuary and amnesty to illegal immigrants, those are just the “piss-ant” issues. The elephants stomping up and down on the wings of America are the ethnic supremacy of these organizations and individuals of ethnic groups, who care for no-one but their own culture and ethnic group supremacy over ALL others. A failure to stop THAT from becoming worse than it already is, and not deporting ALL illegal immigrants is what will eventually kill us ALL, except of course the “race” or “ethnic” group that comes to political power by voting only for its own kind.
COM, I totally agree with you. We benefit from illegal aliens and we benefit from corporations. We are embedded in all kinds of economic relationships that are pretty much impossible to sever. You have frequently remarked on a 5% figure for the proportion of illegal aliens in the workforce. You never cite a source for that, but let’s take it for the moment as a given. It loses relevance however since obviously some sectors, like agriculture, have a very high percentage of illegal labor. So just saying 5% doesn’t say much. That is why the question raised on another thread regarding a need for guest workers is pertinent. That question, I would note, was raised by someone as opposed to illegal aliens are you are.
Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:
I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity.
Contact ex- congressman Bob Dornan from California about the illegal vote and what difference their “votes” made.
Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:
I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity.
http://www2.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/sanchez.html
Here’s a fact for those debating the pros and cons of the impact of “illegal” voters. I voted, and my ID was checked. Another fact: I had a sick feeling in my heart, that although only a careful review of the voting registry can prove it or not, a high likelihood exists at least ONE “illegal” immigrant has managed to get on the voting registry, will vote for people I did not vote for, and effectively cancel my right as a citizen to have my vote count.
Michael, Your 11:04 pm comment
That was a good way of putting it!