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	<title>Comments on: Pre-Election Observations</title>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37782</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37782</guid>
		<description>Michael, Your 11:04 pm comment
That was a good way of putting it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, Your 11:04 pm comment<br />
That was a good way of putting it!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37654</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37654</guid>
		<description>Here's a fact for those debating the pros and cons of the impact of "illegal" voters. I voted, and my ID was checked.  Another fact: I had a sick feeling in my heart, that although only a careful review of the voting registry can prove it or not, a high likelihood exists at least ONE "illegal" immigrant has managed to get on the voting registry, will vote for people I did not vote for, and effectively cancel my right as a citizen to have my vote count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fact for those debating the pros and cons of the impact of &#8220;illegal&#8221; voters. I voted, and my ID was checked.  Another fact: I had a sick feeling in my heart, that although only a careful review of the voting registry can prove it or not, a high likelihood exists at least ONE &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrant has managed to get on the voting registry, will vote for people I did not vote for, and effectively cancel my right as a citizen to have my vote count.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37653</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37653</guid>
		<description>Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:

I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity.

http://www2.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/sanchez.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:</p>
<p>I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/sanchez.html" rel="nofollow">http://www2.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/sanchez.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: 999</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37647</link>
		<dc:creator>999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37647</guid>
		<description>Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:


I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity. 

Contact ex- congressman Bob Dornan from California about the illegal vote and what difference their "votes" made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila said on 5 Nov 2007 at 3:45 pm:</p>
<p>I asked are they really voting, at least are they really voting in numbers that would make any difference. You share with COM a love of intemperate language, but a dislike of data. Pity. </p>
<p>Contact ex- congressman Bob Dornan from California about the illegal vote and what difference their &#8220;votes&#8221; made.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37510</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37510</guid>
		<description>COM, I totally agree with you. We benefit from illegal aliens and we benefit from corporations. We are embedded in all kinds of economic relationships that are pretty much impossible to sever. You have frequently remarked on a 5% figure for the proportion of illegal aliens in the workforce. You never cite a source for that, but let's take it for the moment as a given. It loses relevance however since obviously some sectors, like agriculture, have a very high percentage of illegal labor. So just saying 5% doesn't say much. That is why the question raised on another thread regarding a need for guest workers is pertinent. That question, I would note, was raised by someone as opposed to illegal aliens are you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM, I totally agree with you. We benefit from illegal aliens and we benefit from corporations. We are embedded in all kinds of economic relationships that are pretty much impossible to sever. You have frequently remarked on a 5% figure for the proportion of illegal aliens in the workforce. You never cite a source for that, but let&#8217;s take it for the moment as a given. It loses relevance however since obviously some sectors, like agriculture, have a very high percentage of illegal labor. So just saying 5% doesn&#8217;t say much. That is why the question raised on another thread regarding a need for guest workers is pertinent. That question, I would note, was raised by someone as opposed to illegal aliens are you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37480</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37480</guid>
		<description>It amazes me, people debate and debate and debate "piss-ants".  (I'm not picking on just Leila and COM here). When I was a young military flight school student, my instructor had a saying while he was teaching me about stall warning in the T-38 (the T-38 could kill you very quickly). He'd say, Michael, don't get lost in paying attention to all those instrument stall indicators while trying to do the other things you need to do to fly this approach, those are just the "piss-ants". Pay attention my boy to the increasing vibration on your butt, that's the wings starting to stall and it will go quickly before you can recover it, and you will die.  Those are the Elephants jumping up and down on the wings and they are about to stomp on you!

People, the moral of the story is, no matter how much you debate the issues about helping out illegal immigrants, being kind to illegal immigrants, supporting help and social services for illegal immigrants, giving sanctuary and amnesty to illegal immigrants, those are just the "piss-ant" issues.  The elephants stomping up and down on the wings of America are the ethnic supremacy of these organizations and individuals of ethnic groups, who care for no-one but their own culture and ethnic group supremacy over ALL others.  A failure to stop THAT from becoming worse than it already is, and not deporting ALL illegal immigrants is what will eventually kill us ALL,  except of course the "race" or "ethnic" group that comes to political power by voting only for its own kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me, people debate and debate and debate &#8220;piss-ants&#8221;.  (I&#8217;m not picking on just Leila and COM here). When I was a young military flight school student, my instructor had a saying while he was teaching me about stall warning in the T-38 (the T-38 could kill you very quickly). He&#8217;d say, Michael, don&#8217;t get lost in paying attention to all those instrument stall indicators while trying to do the other things you need to do to fly this approach, those are just the &#8220;piss-ants&#8221;. Pay attention my boy to the increasing vibration on your butt, that&#8217;s the wings starting to stall and it will go quickly before you can recover it, and you will die.  Those are the Elephants jumping up and down on the wings and they are about to stomp on you!</p>
<p>People, the moral of the story is, no matter how much you debate the issues about helping out illegal immigrants, being kind to illegal immigrants, supporting help and social services for illegal immigrants, giving sanctuary and amnesty to illegal immigrants, those are just the &#8220;piss-ant&#8221; issues.  The elephants stomping up and down on the wings of America are the ethnic supremacy of these organizations and individuals of ethnic groups, who care for no-one but their own culture and ethnic group supremacy over ALL others.  A failure to stop THAT from becoming worse than it already is, and not deporting ALL illegal immigrants is what will eventually kill us ALL,  except of course the &#8220;race&#8221; or &#8220;ethnic&#8221; group that comes to political power by voting only for its own kind.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37466</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37466</guid>
		<description>Peter Danlyn said on 5 Nov 2007 at 5:48 pm: 
And since we’ve granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how ’bout taking this one on.

I don't think anyone has granted the police anything...  The practice of confriming residency has always been allowed if there is a reason to pull them over.  It has not really been necessary until recently.  That's all the police can do.  Only ICE trained 287(g) officers can follow up (detain) on the residency status if otherwise the individual would be released on a summons.  

Pretty sure I understand and read that correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Danlyn said on 5 Nov 2007 at 5:48 pm:<br />
And since we’ve granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how ’bout taking this one on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone has granted the police anything&#8230;  The practice of confriming residency has always been allowed if there is a reason to pull them over.  It has not really been necessary until recently.  That&#8217;s all the police can do.  Only ICE trained 287(g) officers can follow up (detain) on the residency status if otherwise the individual would be released on a summons.  </p>
<p>Pretty sure I understand and read that correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37460</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37460</guid>
		<description>Leila,

I made my point, thank you.  You seem to think just by shopping in a grocery store we benefit from illegals.  Instead of using illegals I used corporations.    And, yes you made the comparison of the grocery store first.   

Yes, the left/liberals do hate corporations.  Think Exxon/Mobil, Enron, etc.   They are the targets of many on the left.   Even Hillary wants to take their profits.   

Of course labor(left/liberals) love illegals because all they can think of is future voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila,</p>
<p>I made my point, thank you.  You seem to think just by shopping in a grocery store we benefit from illegals.  Instead of using illegals I used corporations.    And, yes you made the comparison of the grocery store first.   </p>
<p>Yes, the left/liberals do hate corporations.  Think Exxon/Mobil, Enron, etc.   They are the targets of many on the left.   Even Hillary wants to take their profits.   </p>
<p>Of course labor(left/liberals) love illegals because all they can think of is future voters.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37452</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37452</guid>
		<description>The problem with touching the space for one candidate and the other candidate's name coming up is usually due to machine calibration.

If you notice it happening on the machine you are voting on, ask the workers to clean the screen and recalibrate it.  Otherwise it will continue to happen for everyone who comes after you.  

The machines need to be recalculated after so many votes but depending on how busy the polls are, that time changes.  Some polls may do it every hour and others may only do it a couple of times a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with touching the space for one candidate and the other candidate&#8217;s name coming up is usually due to machine calibration.</p>
<p>If you notice it happening on the machine you are voting on, ask the workers to clean the screen and recalibrate it.  Otherwise it will continue to happen for everyone who comes after you.  </p>
<p>The machines need to be recalculated after so many votes but depending on how busy the polls are, that time changes.  Some polls may do it every hour and others may only do it a couple of times a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37398</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37398</guid>
		<description>COM, you appear to have a cookie-cutter view of the world. You have a mold in mind of  liberals and you place that mold whether it goes or it doesn't. I haven't discussed support or opposition to big business at all on this blog except to observe that big business is the financial backbone of the Republican party (more so than the social base) and that it will balk at losing cheap labor. It already has balked. It has joined forces with the ACLU and labor to do so in federal court.

None the less you make all sorts of assumptions, based on zilch. You state that I have "lefty notions that big business is bad" without my ever offering an opinion. You appear not to even realize that the left and liberals are two different things. Liberals hardly think big business is bad. Who is backing your doppleganger Hillary? Do you really think there aren't big business interests in the Democratic Party? Have you never heard of the Third Way? There is a continuum in politics you appear not to be aware of.

I also don't attend wine and cheese parties of the sort you apparently imagine or have glommed from popular depictions of liberals. If I were to go, I would ask for a beer. If they had some money, I would ask for an import, but a regular beer is fine. Sorry to disappoint. The wine at such gatherings isn't worth the trouble.

I guess by your reasoning on corporations, you support illegal aliens since you benefit from them. I wouldn't have said it, but you said it clearly.

For my part, the biggest law-breaker I give money to is the Bush Administration and the laws are Constitutional and deathly important to me. But I admit not being willing to go to jail by not paying my taxes. I have plenty of political views that don't conform with conventional liberalism. But never mind those, that would interfere with your cookie-cutting soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM, you appear to have a cookie-cutter view of the world. You have a mold in mind of  liberals and you place that mold whether it goes or it doesn&#8217;t. I haven&#8217;t discussed support or opposition to big business at all on this blog except to observe that big business is the financial backbone of the Republican party (more so than the social base) and that it will balk at losing cheap labor. It already has balked. It has joined forces with the ACLU and labor to do so in federal court.</p>
<p>None the less you make all sorts of assumptions, based on zilch. You state that I have &#8220;lefty notions that big business is bad&#8221; without my ever offering an opinion. You appear not to even realize that the left and liberals are two different things. Liberals hardly think big business is bad. Who is backing your doppleganger Hillary? Do you really think there aren&#8217;t big business interests in the Democratic Party? Have you never heard of the Third Way? There is a continuum in politics you appear not to be aware of.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t attend wine and cheese parties of the sort you apparently imagine or have glommed from popular depictions of liberals. If I were to go, I would ask for a beer. If they had some money, I would ask for an import, but a regular beer is fine. Sorry to disappoint. The wine at such gatherings isn&#8217;t worth the trouble.</p>
<p>I guess by your reasoning on corporations, you support illegal aliens since you benefit from them. I wouldn&#8217;t have said it, but you said it clearly.</p>
<p>For my part, the biggest law-breaker I give money to is the Bush Administration and the laws are Constitutional and deathly important to me. But I admit not being willing to go to jail by not paying my taxes. I have plenty of political views that don&#8217;t conform with conventional liberalism. But never mind those, that would interfere with your cookie-cutting soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37395</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37395</guid>
		<description>There is another possible problem with the voting machines.  There were a lot of errors where you would vote for one person and another would pop up.  I worry that they are being tampered with because it happened so many places. This happened at several areas in the county.  I would advise that if this happens to you to report it to this blog.  There were a lot of questions about whether the Board of Elections were unable to do anything about it.  Be vigilant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another possible problem with the voting machines.  There were a lot of errors where you would vote for one person and another would pop up.  I worry that they are being tampered with because it happened so many places. This happened at several areas in the county.  I would advise that if this happens to you to report it to this blog.  There were a lot of questions about whether the Board of Elections were unable to do anything about it.  Be vigilant!</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37394</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37394</guid>
		<description>Hey Peter Danlyn:

If the owners of pirated CD's are wasting my tax money, having babies at the hospital and defaulting on the bills, causing my neighborhood and schools to deteriorate, and generally pissing off the tax paying, law-abiding citizenry, then I'd say you've got a pretty good idea!

The point is, when a community's standards and laws are violated, they have a right to rise up and do something about it.

Regardless of the results of this election or any other, we're going to take back this county, the Commonwealth, and the Country.  One way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Peter Danlyn:</p>
<p>If the owners of pirated CD&#8217;s are wasting my tax money, having babies at the hospital and defaulting on the bills, causing my neighborhood and schools to deteriorate, and generally pissing off the tax paying, law-abiding citizenry, then I&#8217;d say you&#8217;ve got a pretty good idea!</p>
<p>The point is, when a community&#8217;s standards and laws are violated, they have a right to rise up and do something about it.</p>
<p>Regardless of the results of this election or any other, we&#8217;re going to take back this county, the Commonwealth, and the Country.  One way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Danlyn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37386</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Danlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37386</guid>
		<description>And since we've granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how 'bout taking this one on.

Music Piracy Costs U.S. Economy $12.5 Billion, Report Reveals 


If a policeman notices a "ripped" cd in your car, he should be able to ask you for documentation to prove you have a license to duplicate the original source recording.  The presence of a copied cd without documentation would be probable cause to search the contents of your player - even if it is in your trunk.

This would address a real criminal problem, and should be of no consequence to those who have legally recorded their music.

Far fetched?  I would have thought so, until the resolution passed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And since we&#8217;ve granted the police the power to search for criminality unrelated to the traffic stop, how &#8217;bout taking this one on.</p>
<p>Music Piracy Costs U.S. Economy $12.5 Billion, Report Reveals </p>
<p>If a policeman notices a &#8220;ripped&#8221; cd in your car, he should be able to ask you for documentation to prove you have a license to duplicate the original source recording.  The presence of a copied cd without documentation would be probable cause to search the contents of your player - even if it is in your trunk.</p>
<p>This would address a real criminal problem, and should be of no consequence to those who have legally recorded their music.</p>
<p>Far fetched?  I would have thought so, until the resolution passed!</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37377</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37377</guid>
		<description>Leila,

But the fact remains regardless of the law, people who should not be voting are in fact voting. 

If you support  or benefit  from corporations, meaning you buy or benefit from them then you  support them when some of them engage in law breaking.   How does benefiting and supporting corporations fit in with your lefty notions that big business is bad?   When you attend your wine and cheese parties with your fellow liberals do you openly pronounce your support for enron

The real goal of the resolution is that it should send a message that lawlessness is not going to be accepted in the County, and if it makes the lives of illegals worse so be it.  They can leave the County, which is another goal of the resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila,</p>
<p>But the fact remains regardless of the law, people who should not be voting are in fact voting. </p>
<p>If you support  or benefit  from corporations, meaning you buy or benefit from them then you  support them when some of them engage in law breaking.   How does benefiting and supporting corporations fit in with your lefty notions that big business is bad?   When you attend your wine and cheese parties with your fellow liberals do you openly pronounce your support for enron</p>
<p>The real goal of the resolution is that it should send a message that lawlessness is not going to be accepted in the County, and if it makes the lives of illegals worse so be it.  They can leave the County, which is another goal of the resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37371</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37371</guid>
		<description>Patriot, what you wish for or recommend is not the federal *law* as it exists.  Your own fabled resolution in PWC could barely find things it could deny. Drug counseling? oh ouch. The real teeth in the resolution is in the police powers, not the benefits. But I don't doubt your personal patrolling perseverance. The capitalization of FELON alone...well, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriot, what you wish for or recommend is not the federal *law* as it exists.  Your own fabled resolution in PWC could barely find things it could deny. Drug counseling? oh ouch. The real teeth in the resolution is in the police powers, not the benefits. But I don&#8217;t doubt your personal patrolling perseverance. The capitalization of FELON alone&#8230;well, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37366</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37366</guid>
		<description>Leila said: "ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care."

We are working on changing all of this (to cut out ALL incentives)! As far as emergency care is concerned? I recommend that they be treated, the bill is sent to the country of origin, and then the patient is jailed to await deportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila said: &#8220;ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are working on changing all of this (to cut out ALL incentives)! As far as emergency care is concerned? I recommend that they be treated, the bill is sent to the country of origin, and then the patient is jailed to await deportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37362</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37362</guid>
		<description>If felons with fake ID vote, COM, that means felons "can" vote. If 16-year-olds with fake ID vote, COM, that means they "can" vote. If legal alien, non-citizens vote, it means they "can" vote.  But what exactly does wording it that way add to understanding?

On your second question, I would say that benefit from and support are two different things. One definitely implies an agency that the other does not. And I never suggested any such agency for Dennis. I also never said that he or anyone else on this blog supported illegal aliens by benefiting from them. 

Actually that is pretty much what he was suggesting by his mad reasoning about killing illegal aliens in the hills of California and granting me godlike powers of existence-giving. Like everyone else on this blog, I benefit from illegal aliens whether I like it or not or support it or not. Something extremely drastic would have to happen for that to change (it won't), and no matter what happens in PWC, you will still benefit from illegal aliens every time you visit the grocery store. It has nothing to do with support.

 The law is obviously a bit vexed on the matter. Illegal entry into the US (first time) is a misdemeanor. ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care. Nothing is the kind of black and white you suggest, least of all in law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If felons with fake ID vote, COM, that means felons &#8220;can&#8221; vote. If 16-year-olds with fake ID vote, COM, that means they &#8220;can&#8221; vote. If legal alien, non-citizens vote, it means they &#8220;can&#8221; vote.  But what exactly does wording it that way add to understanding?</p>
<p>On your second question, I would say that benefit from and support are two different things. One definitely implies an agency that the other does not. And I never suggested any such agency for Dennis. I also never said that he or anyone else on this blog supported illegal aliens by benefiting from them. </p>
<p>Actually that is pretty much what he was suggesting by his mad reasoning about killing illegal aliens in the hills of California and granting me godlike powers of existence-giving. Like everyone else on this blog, I benefit from illegal aliens whether I like it or not or support it or not. Something extremely drastic would have to happen for that to change (it won&#8217;t), and no matter what happens in PWC, you will still benefit from illegal aliens every time you visit the grocery store. It has nothing to do with support.</p>
<p> The law is obviously a bit vexed on the matter. Illegal entry into the US (first time) is a misdemeanor. ICE obviously could arrest thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens each day, but it chooses not to. Illegal aliens are here illegally but their children must be educated and all of them may not be denied emergency health care. Nothing is the kind of black and white you suggest, least of all in law.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37344</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37344</guid>
		<description>Leila,

If illegals vote, then they "can" vote.  That of course has nothing to do with the law, just that they can.   Or to put it a better way, can I drive 140 mph on the beltway?  You bet I can, even though the law says I can't.   

 Do you benefit from corporations.  Does that mean you support them all?  I bet you answer no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leila,</p>
<p>If illegals vote, then they &#8220;can&#8221; vote.  That of course has nothing to do with the law, just that they can.   Or to put it a better way, can I drive 140 mph on the beltway?  You bet I can, even though the law says I can&#8217;t.   </p>
<p> Do you benefit from corporations.  Does that mean you support them all?  I bet you answer no.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37339</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37339</guid>
		<description>park'd, wow again! the folks in Arlington are such sticklers! But the people in PWC, MP, etc., appear to have all the alertness of Jeff Spicoli. I'm amazed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>park&#8217;d, wow again! the folks in Arlington are such sticklers! But the people in PWC, MP, etc., appear to have all the alertness of Jeff Spicoli. I&#8217;m amazed.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37337</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/05/pre-election-observations/#comment-37337</guid>
		<description>COM, thank you for *finally* for a link. I certainly acknowledge there is voter fraud of all kinds, illegal aliens included. I wouldn't put it as you did, that "illegals can vote." Beyond the false noun, there is the point of law that in most places they cannot. So it would be better to say that illegal aliens can break the law and vote.

I don't understand your question on corporations. What sort of corporations? All corporations? Everyone who has ever formed one? The legal possibility of doing so? Exactly what do you mean and (just curious) why would you ask a question with such abysmal vagueness?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corporation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM, thank you for *finally* for a link. I certainly acknowledge there is voter fraud of all kinds, illegal aliens included. I wouldn&#8217;t put it as you did, that &#8220;illegals can vote.&#8221; Beyond the false noun, there is the point of law that in most places they cannot. So it would be better to say that illegal aliens can break the law and vote.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your question on corporations. What sort of corporations? All corporations? Everyone who has ever formed one? The legal possibility of doing so? Exactly what do you mean and (just curious) why would you ask a question with such abysmal vagueness?</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corporation" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corporation</a></p>
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