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	<title>Comments on: Post-Election Open Thread</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38676</link>
		<dc:creator>dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38676</guid>
		<description>John Light

yes, truce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Light</p>
<p>yes, truce.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38594</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38594</guid>
		<description>dolph said on 8 Nov 2007 at 5:16 pm: 
"Mr. Light, Does that mean you have been muzzled since you are not going to debate me on my love affair with abortion?"

No, it means that I am not going to engage in a debate with you on here any more about abortion or God.  I let it go...can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dolph said on 8 Nov 2007 at 5:16 pm:<br />
&#8220;Mr. Light, Does that mean you have been muzzled since you are not going to debate me on my love affair with abortion?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it means that I am not going to engage in a debate with you on here any more about abortion or God.  I let it go&#8230;can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38583</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38583</guid>
		<description>redawn,
Exactly right! This is UNACCEPTABLE!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redawn,<br />
Exactly right! This is UNACCEPTABLE!!</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38548</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38548</guid>
		<description>Dolph,
So more or less behind Kidercare and Parkside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,<br />
So more or less behind Kidercare and Parkside?</p>
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		<title>By: dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38533</link>
		<dc:creator>dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38533</guid>
		<description>lafayette and Redawn,

There is a homeless campsite ...aka...mini shantytown...over near the city water company...back in the woods...down the street from where that girl was killed this summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lafayette and Redawn,</p>
<p>There is a homeless campsite &#8230;aka&#8230;mini shantytown&#8230;over near the city water company&#8230;back in the woods&#8230;down the street from where that girl was killed this summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Billyboy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38508</link>
		<dc:creator>Billyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38508</guid>
		<description>Redawn,

Glad you had change of heart and voted with your head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redawn,</p>
<p>Glad you had change of heart and voted with your head.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38496</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38496</guid>
		<description>Strasburg St.,

I was  also one that had actually thought Chuck forgot about us. He has always had a good reputation. It was easy to feel that way, as we Americans across the nation are feeling this way.

I last minute, chose to vote for Chuck. I think that so much attention has been made and  it has not gone unnoticed and MORE SO will not go unnoticed. The attention has been watched ( he has been alerted) and will not leave his term ( after all these years) on a bad note.
I believe he will come through...and Chuck, we are watching...

Timmy? Howdy :) REMEMBER YOUR CLASSMATES...your friends that are still here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strasburg St.,</p>
<p>I was  also one that had actually thought Chuck forgot about us. He has always had a good reputation. It was easy to feel that way, as we Americans across the nation are feeling this way.</p>
<p>I last minute, chose to vote for Chuck. I think that so much attention has been made and  it has not gone unnoticed and MORE SO will not go unnoticed. The attention has been watched ( he has been alerted) and will not leave his term ( after all these years) on a bad note.<br />
I believe he will come through&#8230;and Chuck, we are watching&#8230;</p>
<p>Timmy? Howdy <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> REMEMBER YOUR CLASSMATES&#8230;your friends that are still here!</p>
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		<title>By: Strasburg St</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38490</link>
		<dc:creator>Strasburg St</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38490</guid>
		<description>Lafayette 

I did see Mr. Colgan knocking doors near King George and Strasburg.   I believe he will work on the illegal issue.  He will not beat his chest and scream like others.  He will simply do it.   

I agree that he should Thank Westgate. My point is he has and continues to you.  Patty seems to believe his family forgot where they came from and nevers nears Westgate, that is simply not true. 

Remember some of Colgan's Grandkids are attending the same school as the kids as ours in Sudley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lafayette </p>
<p>I did see Mr. Colgan knocking doors near King George and Strasburg.   I believe he will work on the illegal issue.  He will not beat his chest and scream like others.  He will simply do it.   </p>
<p>I agree that he should Thank Westgate. My point is he has and continues to you.  Patty seems to believe his family forgot where they came from and nevers nears Westgate, that is simply not true. </p>
<p>Remember some of Colgan&#8217;s Grandkids are attending the same school as the kids as ours in Sudley.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38422</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38422</guid>
		<description>*BY NOVEC ( the dumpster)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*BY NOVEC ( the dumpster)</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38421</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38421</guid>
		<description>and yes, I remeber the murder behind the Giant but Novec.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes, I remeber the murder behind the Giant but Novec&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38419</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38419</guid>
		<description>I will go on a hunch ( more so, the smell of campfire smoke in the air)
that  I have smelled in my early route to work,over by the 7-11 by Yorkshire Ele. heading toward Fairfax. That something similar maybe going on. There is that stream ( BullRun) and also under the bridge on Rt.28.....of course you see people fishing there...yucko! Next to the OLD
water treatment plant that townhouses have been erected on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will go on a hunch ( more so, the smell of campfire smoke in the air)<br />
that  I have smelled in my early route to work,over by the 7-11 by Yorkshire Ele. heading toward Fairfax. That something similar maybe going on. There is that stream ( BullRun) and also under the bridge on Rt.28&#8230;..of course you see people fishing there&#8230;yucko! Next to the OLD<br />
water treatment plant that townhouses have been erected on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38415</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38415</guid>
		<description>redawn
Thanks. I loved the words "undocumented worker" and "illegal immigrant".-lol. When will the media starting calling them what the are ILLEGALS ALIENS?!?
FYI-The place you speak on Rosemary Dr. has been checked out recently, and the same goes for the woods behind the WestGate Giant. About three weeks ago, a friend of mine that's a senior citizen called me. She told me that Neighborhood Services and the PWCPD were checking that place out, and was very pleased to see this happening. She's a real fighter when comes to illegal immigration. When they left Rosemary Dr, they then went to the woods behind Giant. I applaud her efforts of watching this efforts by the county. She is the person that made the call to Neighborhood Services, Stirrup's office, and from there the ball was rolling. I think it's pretty telling that our PCE(Property Code Enforcement) inspectors need to take the police with them. Remember, someone was MURDERED behind Giant about year ago. We have these "shanty towns" right here in OUR HOMETOWN. Citizens need to contact the county when such things are seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redawn<br />
Thanks. I loved the words &#8220;undocumented worker&#8221; and &#8220;illegal immigrant&#8221;.-lol. When will the media starting calling them what the are ILLEGALS ALIENS?!?<br />
FYI-The place you speak on Rosemary Dr. has been checked out recently, and the same goes for the woods behind the WestGate Giant. About three weeks ago, a friend of mine that&#8217;s a senior citizen called me. She told me that Neighborhood Services and the PWCPD were checking that place out, and was very pleased to see this happening. She&#8217;s a real fighter when comes to illegal immigration. When they left Rosemary Dr, they then went to the woods behind Giant. I applaud her efforts of watching this efforts by the county. She is the person that made the call to Neighborhood Services, Stirrup&#8217;s office, and from there the ball was rolling. I think it&#8217;s pretty telling that our PCE(Property Code Enforcement) inspectors need to take the police with them. Remember, someone was MURDERED behind Giant about year ago. We have these &#8220;shanty towns&#8221; right here in OUR HOMETOWN. Citizens need to contact the county when such things are seen.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38392</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38392</guid>
		<description>Here is the news story about the youtube postings at 3:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZcMkvylnLM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the news story about the youtube postings at 3:02</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZcMkvylnLM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZcMkvylnLM</a></p>
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		<title>By: dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38389</link>
		<dc:creator>dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38389</guid>
		<description>Mr. Light,

Does that mean you have been muzzled since you are not going to debate me on my love affair with abortion?  

Actually, you have no idea how I personally feel about abortion or about God and it is presumptuous for you to think you do.  I have not discussed my religious beliefs here.  They are deeply personal and not for public purview.  I also have not said how I personally feel about abortion.  I have spoken only from a political framework.  

I am long past the stage of debating abortion.  Women have them for a myriad of reasons and they will continue to have them whether you or I like it, approve of it or not.  They have had them throughout history, although not with the same degree of safety as one finds today.  

My position stated here is simply political.  I do not give the state the right to make deeply personal decisions for me or those I care about and who are descended from me.  

Uncivil discourse never solves anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Light,</p>
<p>Does that mean you have been muzzled since you are not going to debate me on my love affair with abortion?  </p>
<p>Actually, you have no idea how I personally feel about abortion or about God and it is presumptuous for you to think you do.  I have not discussed my religious beliefs here.  They are deeply personal and not for public purview.  I also have not said how I personally feel about abortion.  I have spoken only from a political framework.  </p>
<p>I am long past the stage of debating abortion.  Women have them for a myriad of reasons and they will continue to have them whether you or I like it, approve of it or not.  They have had them throughout history, although not with the same degree of safety as one finds today.  </p>
<p>My position stated here is simply political.  I do not give the state the right to make deeply personal decisions for me or those I care about and who are descended from me.  </p>
<p>Uncivil discourse never solves anything.</p>
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		<title>By: BullElephant</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38379</link>
		<dc:creator>BullElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38379</guid>
		<description>I've got two points to make regarding the above exchanges involving John Light, anonymoustoo, and Dolph.

First, you might have guessed that I'm pro-life, and would like to achieve an ideal world where abortion is against the law.  I know my reasons for this are unlikely to persuade anyone to change their position, but I feel compelled to at least defend my own position against certain of the sentiments advanced above.  I realize that many pro-lifers are motivated by an abundance of religious zeal, and still others can be downright misogynist in their positions, both of which tend to be unappealing and offensive to large portions of our fellow citizens.  It is said that Republicans are hypocrites when they argue for limited government and greater individual autonomy on the one hand, while at the same time calling for intrusion into "the bedrooms" of private citizens on the question of abortion.  I think this is a false dichotomy.  I maintain that there is a large plurality of pro-lifers that have arrived at their position after thoughtful consideration, and base their views--like I do--on an understanding that one of the fundamental purposes of government is to protect the lives of its subjects against the violence of others.  If one believes that womb-based life is just as valuable as any other (or at least that we cannot be certain it is not), I have difficulty understanding any other position.  However, I do realize opinions on the latter question differ, and I respect reasoned arguments on the other side.  I hope that people who disagree with my position can be persuaded to respect mine, without imputing unsavory motives on my part (e.g., that I am a theocrat, chauvinist, etc.).

Second, anonymoustoo responded to my earlier comment/essay by saying that she and others like her are not comfortable with some "right-wing male ideologue" telling her what to do, and that rigidly ideological social conservatives make unattractive candidates for her.  I totally agree that conservative positions aren't going to appeal to everyone, and even more so that stridency and extreme rhetoric are often pff-putting.  However, when one responds to my earlier argument that conservative positions--when confidently and consistently articulated--win elections, one should be careful not to confuse that point with a point that I DID NOT make (namely, that truly conservative positions will attract ALL votes).  I am only saying that an identifiable set of core principles (the kind that can predict how a person would vote on most kinds of legislation) tends to make voters want to follow the leader that consistently and confidently espouses them.  But, regardless of whether a person agrees 100% with everything a particular candidate says, the candidate that believes in something identifiable will always punch above his weight, relative to the candidate who (a) defines him/herself in opposition to conservative positions; (b) takes positions based on the direction of the latest flit of public opinion; or (c) directs his/her policy choices on the basis of which has the greatest political opportunity to satisfy the appetites of various constituencies or interest groups.

I could go on, but I've got a job (and you all probably have better things to do than read essays from me).  I just wanted to point out (in partial response to the "rigid ideologue" language) that there are a lot of respectable but nonetheless widely divergent interpretations of conservative core principles, and conservative positions actually can and do have a fair amount of diversity (hence, Rudy Giuliani being the GOP frontrunner).  There's even a fairly philosphically consistent conservative case to be made for state-sanctioned gay marriage, regardless of the fact that most conservatives would reject it.  Whatever the identifiably conservative position, though, it is distinguished from modern liberalism in that the position springs from what its adherents would like to think of as immutable, time-honored truths.  Liberalism (short of outright left-lunacy) is, at best, merely a technocratic pragmatism rooted in nothing more than the subjective, relativist viewpoint of each of its perpetrators.

There...I'm done throwing gasoline onto the fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got two points to make regarding the above exchanges involving John Light, anonymoustoo, and Dolph.</p>
<p>First, you might have guessed that I&#8217;m pro-life, and would like to achieve an ideal world where abortion is against the law.  I know my reasons for this are unlikely to persuade anyone to change their position, but I feel compelled to at least defend my own position against certain of the sentiments advanced above.  I realize that many pro-lifers are motivated by an abundance of religious zeal, and still others can be downright misogynist in their positions, both of which tend to be unappealing and offensive to large portions of our fellow citizens.  It is said that Republicans are hypocrites when they argue for limited government and greater individual autonomy on the one hand, while at the same time calling for intrusion into &#8220;the bedrooms&#8221; of private citizens on the question of abortion.  I think this is a false dichotomy.  I maintain that there is a large plurality of pro-lifers that have arrived at their position after thoughtful consideration, and base their views&#8211;like I do&#8211;on an understanding that one of the fundamental purposes of government is to protect the lives of its subjects against the violence of others.  If one believes that womb-based life is just as valuable as any other (or at least that we cannot be certain it is not), I have difficulty understanding any other position.  However, I do realize opinions on the latter question differ, and I respect reasoned arguments on the other side.  I hope that people who disagree with my position can be persuaded to respect mine, without imputing unsavory motives on my part (e.g., that I am a theocrat, chauvinist, etc.).</p>
<p>Second, anonymoustoo responded to my earlier comment/essay by saying that she and others like her are not comfortable with some &#8220;right-wing male ideologue&#8221; telling her what to do, and that rigidly ideological social conservatives make unattractive candidates for her.  I totally agree that conservative positions aren&#8217;t going to appeal to everyone, and even more so that stridency and extreme rhetoric are often pff-putting.  However, when one responds to my earlier argument that conservative positions&#8211;when confidently and consistently articulated&#8211;win elections, one should be careful not to confuse that point with a point that I DID NOT make (namely, that truly conservative positions will attract ALL votes).  I am only saying that an identifiable set of core principles (the kind that can predict how a person would vote on most kinds of legislation) tends to make voters want to follow the leader that consistently and confidently espouses them.  But, regardless of whether a person agrees 100% with everything a particular candidate says, the candidate that believes in something identifiable will always punch above his weight, relative to the candidate who (a) defines him/herself in opposition to conservative positions; (b) takes positions based on the direction of the latest flit of public opinion; or (c) directs his/her policy choices on the basis of which has the greatest political opportunity to satisfy the appetites of various constituencies or interest groups.</p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;ve got a job (and you all probably have better things to do than read essays from me).  I just wanted to point out (in partial response to the &#8220;rigid ideologue&#8221; language) that there are a lot of respectable but nonetheless widely divergent interpretations of conservative core principles, and conservative positions actually can and do have a fair amount of diversity (hence, Rudy Giuliani being the GOP frontrunner).  There&#8217;s even a fairly philosphically consistent conservative case to be made for state-sanctioned gay marriage, regardless of the fact that most conservatives would reject it.  Whatever the identifiably conservative position, though, it is distinguished from modern liberalism in that the position springs from what its adherents would like to think of as immutable, time-honored truths.  Liberalism (short of outright left-lunacy) is, at best, merely a technocratic pragmatism rooted in nothing more than the subjective, relativist viewpoint of each of its perpetrators.</p>
<p>There&#8230;I&#8217;m done throwing gasoline onto the fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38371</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38371</guid>
		<description>Big Government of the right is not more desirable than Big Government of the left. Remenber that the Berrigan Brothers and their partners brought us "Christian Activism" and then the Lost Peanut Farmer got elected based on his Evangelical positions. People have a right to be wrong - but I have no responsibility to pay for the consequences of their choices thru my taxes. The American people are - and have been historically - socially liberatarian....conservatives build the argument on fiscal and economic arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Government of the right is not more desirable than Big Government of the left. Remenber that the Berrigan Brothers and their partners brought us &#8220;Christian Activism&#8221; and then the Lost Peanut Farmer got elected based on his Evangelical positions. People have a right to be wrong - but I have no responsibility to pay for the consequences of their choices thru my taxes. The American people are - and have been historically - socially liberatarian&#8230;.conservatives build the argument on fiscal and economic arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38366</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38366</guid>
		<description>anonymoustoo - I see you are back from lunch - welcome back - lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymoustoo - I see you are back from lunch - welcome back - lol</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38361</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Anonymous said on 7 Nov 2007 at 4:57 pm: 
"And on your way back, go by the Coverstone 7-11 and look at the illegals hanging out there or the homeless ones living in the woods by Rosemary Dr. Oh yeahm there wont be any at the Sr. Citizen Center. Beaver Cleaver and Dudley Do-Right sold you guys a bill goods that will do nothing. "

I hope the homless living in the woods by Rosemary Dr 
are not turning it into a place like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1plBae1Qoy8&#38;feature=PlayList&#38;p=76628A2C165B2880&#38;index=13


and/ or this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RoHR1zveagI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anonymous said on 7 Nov 2007 at 4:57 pm:<br />
&#8220;And on your way back, go by the Coverstone 7-11 and look at the illegals hanging out there or the homeless ones living in the woods by Rosemary Dr. Oh yeahm there wont be any at the Sr. Citizen Center. Beaver Cleaver and Dudley Do-Right sold you guys a bill goods that will do nothing. &#8221;</p>
<p>I hope the homless living in the woods by Rosemary Dr<br />
are not turning it into a place like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=1plBae1Qoy8&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=76628A2C165B2880&amp;index=13" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=1plBae1Qoy8&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=76628A2C165B2880&amp;index=13</a></p>
<p>and/ or this:</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=RoHR1zveagI" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=RoHR1zveagI</a></p>
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		<title>By: anonymoustoo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38360</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymoustoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Light,

You have confused Dolph with me. I'm the non-believer.

There's a reason most people don't discuss religion and politics in general society. We all have different ideas of what is moral or appropriate and these differences are personal. We're not easily won over on these differences. They stem from our upbringing, different religious backgrounds, our education, our experiences, and our hardwiring. Your opinions are no more valid or appropriate than mine and vice versa.

That's the reason socially conservative Republicans need to butt out of others' personal affairs. The intrusion is viewed as unwarranted. In my mother's words, "Mind your own business." And I'll mind mine.

If you want to debate a general, nonpersonal issue such as transportation, education, even illegal immigration, I don't think most people have problems with that even though they may disagree with your view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Light,</p>
<p>You have confused Dolph with me. I&#8217;m the non-believer.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason most people don&#8217;t discuss religion and politics in general society. We all have different ideas of what is moral or appropriate and these differences are personal. We&#8217;re not easily won over on these differences. They stem from our upbringing, different religious backgrounds, our education, our experiences, and our hardwiring. Your opinions are no more valid or appropriate than mine and vice versa.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the reason socially conservative Republicans need to butt out of others&#8217; personal affairs. The intrusion is viewed as unwarranted. In my mother&#8217;s words, &#8220;Mind your own business.&#8221; And I&#8217;ll mind mine.</p>
<p>If you want to debate a general, nonpersonal issue such as transportation, education, even illegal immigration, I don&#8217;t think most people have problems with that even though they may disagree with your view.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/07/post-election-open-thread/#comment-38355</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Pannell - it seems that Dolph has some issues with God and the church and thus has closed her mind to being reasonable.  It might do her good to see what the Good Book says on this but if she is not a believer, it might help her understand why those of us who do believe in what the Good Book has to say about this believe the way we do.  Sure we are all sinners, but the Bible is the standard by which we Christians (again, not knowing Dolph's religious or not religious beliefs) strive.

Yes, you and I will agree to disagree on this but for someone who has closed her mind concerning the Right to Life and her love affair with abortion, (love affair meaning NO compromise, for example, I may FULLY support the 2nd Amendment I REFUSE to back the NRA on ALL their positions) I will not debate on here with her anymore about it.

And by the way, I, too, am a busy man, which is why you don't see too many back-to-back posts from me :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Pannell - it seems that Dolph has some issues with God and the church and thus has closed her mind to being reasonable.  It might do her good to see what the Good Book says on this but if she is not a believer, it might help her understand why those of us who do believe in what the Good Book has to say about this believe the way we do.  Sure we are all sinners, but the Bible is the standard by which we Christians (again, not knowing Dolph&#8217;s religious or not religious beliefs) strive.</p>
<p>Yes, you and I will agree to disagree on this but for someone who has closed her mind concerning the Right to Life and her love affair with abortion, (love affair meaning NO compromise, for example, I may FULLY support the 2nd Amendment I REFUSE to back the NRA on ALL their positions) I will not debate on here with her anymore about it.</p>
<p>And by the way, I, too, am a busy man, which is why you don&#8217;t see too many back-to-back posts from me <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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