PWC Post-Election Analysis, Precinct Data
By Greg L | 8 November 2007 | Prince William County | 129 Comments
This election again demonstrated how non-monolithic Prince William County really is, and that despite a pretty strong Republican bent, it in many ways comes down the the specific candidate and issues that are important in each District. It still takes the right candidate, running on the right issues, waging a solid campaign to win in Prince William. There are no “gimmes” here.
Districts
Gainesville is one of two Magisterial Districts that are solidly Republican, but precincts adjacent to Manassas and Manassas Park are often very competitive. Despite this, Corey Stewart netted 2,106 votes in Gainesville, and Miller and Marshall came away with 1,800, and Gainesville netted a -583 vote loss in the 29th District. In all but Bull Run and Alvey, Corey Stewart actually outperformed the Republican candidate for the House of Delegates, even though both Jackson Miller and Bob Marshall won their races by larger percentages than Stewart. John Stirrup was the top vote-getter in the district, with Corey Stewart following close behind, which suggests the immigration issue was the driving factor. That’s hardly surprising to me.
If Fitzsimmonds was going to win his race, he needed to carry this District, by at least a little. He didn’t, and that’s probably the reason Colgan won the 29th Senate District.
Here’s how the precincts sorted out:
3 Precincts Stewart/Stirrup/R-House/R-Senate, 3295 total votes
4 Precincts Stewart/Stirrup/R-House/D-Senate, 4190 total votes
3 Precincts Stewart/Riley/R-House/D-Senate, 1703 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/Riley/D-House/D-Senate, 336 total votes
Brentsville is the second solidly Republican District in the county, and an even stronger one than Gainesville. Corey Stewart netted 2,452 votes from Brentsville, Republican House candidates netted 2,614 votes, and Senate candidates netted a positive 166 votes. This District has far fewer challenges with illegal aliens than any other Magisterial District, leading to Corey Stewart netting an almost negligible 162 fewer votes than the House candidates. Fitzsimmonds was down by about 180 votes in Brentsville, and needed to come away with a big win here. Jay O’Brien has one precinct in this District, and netted a welcome, but ultimately insufficient 300 votes.
The precincts here were solid, although bigger turnout in Brentsville would have been helpful:
5 Precincts Stewart/R-House/R-Senate, 5671 total votes
4 Precincts Stewart/R-House/D-Senate, 5253 total votes
Coles District is competitive for Democrats, but strongly leans Republican. Corey Stewart netted 883 votes here, Republican House candidates netted 274 votes, and Senate Democrats came away with 458 votes, excluding those precincts represented by Toddy Puller, who had no opponent this year. This district is terribly fractured is House and Senate races, leaving it without any real identity at the State level. Net vote winners in Coles are Colgan (+458), Gill (+53), O’Brien (+315), Lingamfelter (+178), Marshall (+218) and Frederick (+43). With such a fractured district with some many different personalities running, it’s no surprise the precinct breakdown looks like this sort of mess:
2 Precincts Stewart/R-House/R-Senate, 1879 total votes
2 Precincts Stewart/D-House/R-Senate, 2230 total votes
1 Precinct Stewart/R-House/D-Senate, 1688 total votes
1 Precinct Stewart/D-House/D-Senate, 1084 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/R-House/D-Senate, 207 total votes
1 Precincts Pandak/D-House, 806 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/D-House/D-Senate, 975 total votes
Dumfries is a toss-up Magisterial District where Jeff Frederick was significantly a more popular candidate than Corey Stewart, which isn’t too surprising given that Maureen Caddigan pretty openly supported Sharon Pandak for Chairman and Frederick’s constituent service is phenomenal. Pandak netted a positive 184 votes in this District, while Republican House Jeff Frederick netted a substantial 1,361 votes and Republican Senate candidates in competitive races ended up with a deficit of 534 votes. Candidates here really should be leveraging Frederick’s election machine in this District, as the differential between Frederick’s results and Stewart’s results is pretty stunning. Seeing people vote for Frederick and Pandak makes no sense from a policy perspective, as they are entirely on opposite sides of most issues.
Here’s how the precincts shook out:
2 Precincts Stewart/R-House/D-Senate, 1688 total votes
1 Precinct Stewart/R-House, 1298 total votes
3 Precincts Pandak/R-House/D-Senate, 3073 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/R-House/R-Senate, 119 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/D-House, 794 total votes
Occoquan is a fairly Republican District which showed the anomaly of results coming from the Gill/Nichols race. While Corey Stewart netted 1,018 votes in Occoquan, Democrat Paul Nichols netted 137 votes in this district, and Jay O’Brien came away with a 322 vote margin, which is roughly comparable given that not all precincts were in O’Brien’s Senate district. Nichols clearly connected with Republican voters in this district, as over a thousand voters cast ballots for both Corey Stewart and Paul Nichols. Although it’s hard to tell what effect this had on the Jay O’Brien/George Barker race, having voters with divided loyalties in this District probably didn’t help Jay out very much. Here’s how the precincts turned out:
2 Precincts Stewart/R-House/R-Senate, 2220 total votes
2 Precincts Stewart/R-House, 1665 total votes
1 Precinct Stewart/D-House/R-Senate, 1192 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/D-House/D-Senate, 618 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/D-House, 877 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/D-House/D-Senate, 364 total votes
Neabsco is a Magisterial District that favors Democrats, even though Julie Lucas in the School Board race here managed to pull off a 71% victory in a three-way race. Yes, her opponents were knuckleheads, but she was definitely seen as a Republican candidate. Nevertheless, Pandak netted 565 votes out of this district, Democrat House candidates won here by 302 votes, and Democrats running for Senate won here by 435 votes. The individual margins were Pandak +565, Nichols +249, Day +53, and Colgan +435. Even though only two precincts were in the 51st District where Gill was facing off against Nichols, his performance was much stronger proportionally than other candidates. Turnout was comparatively pretty light in Neabsco. Here’s how the district shook out, excluding non-competitive races:
3 Precincts Pandak/R-House, 1962 total votes
3 Precincts Pandak/D-House, 1600 total votes
2 Precincts Pandak/D-House/D-Senate, 1507 total votes
Woodbridge is the home of the Communists of Prince William County, and a really tough district for Republicans. Still, because of abysmal turnout, Corey Stewart netted 70 votes in this district, and Republican House candidates won by 367 votes, while Frank Principi won over Republican Chris Royse by 355 votes. Royse only carried two precincts (Belmont and Potomac View) and the absentee precinct. Pandak outperformed Principi in every precinct, but in a four way race the drain by Steve Keen on Chris Royse hurt Royse far more than Luis Ramierez hurt Principi. Had the votes Steve Keen received gone to Royse, we would have a Republican in this seat. Here’s how the precincts shaped up:
4 Precincts Stewart/R-House, 2667 total votes
1 Precinct Stewart/D-House, 415 total votes
1 Precinct Pandak/R-House, 797 total votes
2 Precincts Pandak/D-House, 721 total votes
The big question here is the degree to which the immigration debate played a role in this election. While the Washington Post and the lefty blogs have proclaimed that it didn’t have an impact, these numbers in Prince William might provide a very different story. That’ll be the subject for a subsequent post.
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Va. Republicans Hear Contrasting Messages in Election Defeat
By Marc Fisher
Thursday, November 8, 2007; Page B01
The one point on which moderates and conservatives seem to agree is that their party overplayed the illegal immigration issue. “They went for a magic bullet with immigration, and it didn’t work,” says a conservative strategist who doesn’t want his name used because his clients don’t agree that immigration is a losing issue. Prince William County board Chairman Corey Stewart, the strategist says, “won last year as the anti-tax and anti-growth candidate, and he ended up in the same place this year. He pushed hard on immigration, but it didn’t move his numbers” in his reelection victory Tuesday.
Moderates say harsh rhetoric on immigration repelled independent voters. Northern Virginians “know this crackdown on illegal immigration was posturing,” Potts says. “The only entity in the world that could solve that problem is the federal government.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110702210.html?hpid=topnews
Mr. L wrote: “This election again demonstrated how non-monolithic Prince William County really is, and that despite a pretty strong Republican bent, it in many ways comes down the [sic] the specific candidate and issues that are important in each District.”
No kidding.
I have been a liberal democrat since I started voting. Only rarely in local elections have I voted for a Republican. Voting for Rishell last time was my last gasp as a Democrat. I was torn between her and Miller. After seeing the effort that Miller put forth on illegal immigration there was no way I wasn’t going to vote for him.
I might add that about 10 years ago I was pro-amnesty. The arrogance towards my country that I have seen and heard of has completely changed my point of view.
“Woodbridge is the home of the Communists of Prince William County”
???
There is nothing in the numbers that suggest to me that the illegal immigration issue made any impact whatsoever. For each person it energized, there was at least one it turned away. I’ll be interested to see some reason why this is wrong.
Ducky - Yeah, this is the same Marc Fisher you are trotting out from the Washington Compost that wrote other objective pieces like: “In Prince William, a Vote of Unanimous Cowardice”. His spin on the election is overwhelmed by his hate for those who stand up for the rule of law. He spinning the results to justify his beliefs.
Oh and Ducky you left out the next sentence from the column which said: “But Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonnell, who plans to run for governor in 2009, says his party was right to focus on immigration because it’s “the issue people are most concerned about.”
I think that unless someone did strong exit polling regarding the issues that drove citizens to vote, all the talk about the illegal immigration enforcement efforts affecting (or not affecting) PWC elections is simple speculation. I know it’s chief issue that drove me to the voting booth, and I think most regulars here would find that position as well. But unless someone has objective data from the folks who actually pulled levers, we could debate this thing to death and no one would be proven right.
I’m sure we had our share of motor voters as well, especially in Woodbridge. I see this election as a victory for the status quo. Neither side came out ahead with regards to this issue. I was hoping that the base would be energized, but apparently they were more interested in watching CSI and Jeopardy than they were in actually trying to bring this country back from the brink of 3rd worlddom. The only way this issue gets solved is if the illegals start moving in 15 to a house in the wealthier sections of Fairfax. After all, the people in those homes are the ones that make the law. Us peons in PWC are just going to have to deal.
Of course the COMPOST would use this spin. Their own polls show illegal immigration is a huge issue in VA. They spent months bashing the GOP on the issue, and now that the elections are over, they are saying it was not a big issue?
I guess they killed a bunch of trees just to talk up an issue that was not important. They really do make me laugh.
Even a candidate, Colgan, who had not run on the issue in the past, had to spend a lot of time and money defending his “record” on illegal immigration. Miller and Stewart staked their reelection on that issue alone, and won going away.
This is an interesting analysis from John Gizzi at Human Events:
“Did the I-words (Illegal Immigration) help or hurt Republicans who embraced it? Well, in Prince William County — where the eight-member Board of Supervisors made national news by unanimously supporting tougher law enforcement measures dealing with illegal immigrants — incumbent County Board Chairman and Republican Corey Stewart won a full term with 54% of the vote against Democrat Sharon Pandak, who called the controversial resolutions (allowing police to check the immigration status of anyone they arrest and to deny eight county services to illegal immigrants) “not well thought out.” County Board Member John Stirrup, author and driving force behind the resolutions, was re-elected in a landslide (62%) of the vote. Stirrup won his first term by a tight 282 votes; in winning his second, he increased that margin by tenfold and was the top vote-getter in six of eleven precincts in his supervisorial district. Eighty-something Democratic State Sen. Charles Colgan, an institution in Prince William County, saw his margin watered down by a perennial GOP candidate who emphasized (you guessed it) illegal immigration.
And in Fairfax County, where Democrat Gerry Connolly was a shoo-in for re-election as county board chairman, he did promise not to “join the bandwagon” against illegal immigrants. But, according to the Washington Times, he “supports Virginia laws that keep illegal from receiving non-emergency, tax-funded benefits. He also supports federal immigration training for county deputies to screen suspects in custody.””
The turnout in Woodbridge was higher than last time because of the immigration issue; voters I brought out by giving them a voice.
By the way, don’t be fooled, 9500Liberty is a partisan project setting up a “tee off” for illegal alien apologists. Gregg, Corey, I know you guys have been cordial to them, but they are nothing more than a mouthpiece for the apologists. Their interview with Supervisor Elect Principi did not hurt my campaign at all, but it hurt theirs. They claimed in the Washington post this past Saturday that they had spoken with everyone in the illegal immigration debate: I sat the paper down and told Kathy “funny, they didn’t speak to me, the leader on the issue in Woodbridge.” The next day their interview with Supervisor Elect Principi was on You Tube. Annabelle, don’t bother calling, my comments will be reserved for Emmy nominated director Ron Maxwell’s upcoming, non-partisan, documentary on the negative effects of illegal aliens on our U.S. culture and government.
My concern now, from what I learned on the trail, is that there is a real revolution brewing among our communities, throughout the county, state and nation. If the electoral process continues to fail the average citizen, we could have some serious problems. The following scenarios could lead to serious civil disobedience in the next four years: 1. The federal Government passes and signs into law the Dream Act, 2. Sen. Barker et al, supported by the Governor. declare Virginia a “Sanctuary State,” 3. Supervisor Elect Principi, Supervisor Jenkins and two Republican Supervisors (I won’t name them, but you know who they are) kill Supervisor Stirrup’s immigration resolution. No re-elected or newly elected official is ready to deal with this. Not even Corey. I say that because he is just one man with only three for sure supporters on that Board now; he’ll want to take sweeping measures to deal with the problem and they’ll want to study it.
Thanks to all in Woodbridge who came out and voted on Tuesday. Thanks to all in the County who read this blog and supported my campaign. Our campaign came in second, but we didn’t lose. We came out of nowhere a year ago, took on the three most entrenched names in local, Woodbridge politics (Barg, Keen, Ramirez), built a strong base from scratch and walked away unscathed with 1/3 of the votes in a four-way race. Yes, immigration played a big role in the Woodbridge race this year, and I’m proud to have lead the charge.
Stay tuned to www.chrisroyse.com, we’ll be putting up a section titled something like “Principi Watch” and will continue to engage the illegal alien apologists in scholarly debate (well, scholarly on our end) on why Americans do not condone lawlessness in their society and that is why illegal immigration must come to an end, it violates the rule of law.
The phone and email have been clogged with people asking me “what’s next.” For now, “what’s next” is to spend as much time with my family as possible, celebrate the holidays like never before because we have so much to be thankful for, possibly take a trip down to the border with Jim Fotis to survey the situation for ourselves, and then after the new year regroup and decide “what’s next.” Even if I sit out the next batch of electoral opportunities that come up, I’ll still only be in my mid-forties in 8 years….
Mr. Royse, You give us hope. Thank you (and your family) for the sacrifices made to run, and for keeping on top of this subject. Smart move on your part to ignore 9500Liberty and instead take the high road with Ron Maxwell.
If you keep using terms like “illegal alien apologist” then you aren’t going to get anyone who disagrees with you to take you seriously. I for one know illegal immigration is a problem, I just don’t like some of the tactics used to address it in PWC. One thing I do know for sure is that if you talk down to me, then you lost any hope of engaging me in your debate. It will work here on this blog, but you’ll only alienate independents and democrats with that rhetoric.
How about a trip to Cancun or Acapulco, Mr Royce, after you have surveyed the border?
Chris, you ran an excellent campaign…unfortunately, as a Republican in Woodbridge, it was all up-hill. We live in a representative democracy, but that democracy fails when the public votes for a candidate wearing a particular banner, i.e., R or D, rather than the candidate who pledges to do what’s right for our country.
I hope that your concerns do NOT come to pass, and that the electoral process does NOT continue to fail the average citizen. Yet, I must admit that despite the views of most Americans, there is a seemingly never-ending pressure to protect those who violate our immigration laws, to grant amnesty under the guise of rules and regulations that could/would never be enforced, and to grant preferential treatment for illegal aliens, e.g., the DREAM Act.
I fear that this is all an orchestrated effort to continue the move toward the “North American Union.” If this happens, it will certainly spell the political and economic downfall of this great nation. I continue to ask the question, “Why”? At all cost, it can not be allowed to happen.
Krutis said on 8 Nov 2007 at 8:24 am:
How about a trip to Cancun or Acapulco, Mr Royce, after you have surveyed the border?
What….and get Montezuma’s revenge? You gotta be kidding!
It will be interesting to see if Ms. Pelosi will allow the SAVE ACT to come to the floor for a vote. This bill is a non-partison effort that is co-sponsored by 40 Democrats and 40 Republicans to enforce our immigration laws and to hold employers who hire illegal aliens accountable for their act. I did not see Frank Wolf’s name as being a co-sponsor. I wonder why?
One of the things that I noticed about this election is that many of the candidates who had strong stands - and records - on curbing illegal immigration found themselves running against candidates who suddenly decided that they too were in favor of curbing illegal immigration in spite of the fact that they had talked or even acted very differently in the immediate past. Unfortunately, not everybody who votes in elections pays close attention to politics on a daily basis and no doubt some figured that BOTH candidates were similar on the issue.
I think that the poll mentioned in WP showing illegal immigration as the second most important issue to be addressed (22%) behind traffic congestion (38%) prompted a lot of me-too-ism.
The thing to keep in mind is that the issue is still there, in place, and is not likely to go away unless it is handled. That it forced so much me-too-ism speaks to its importance. A lot of work still to be done.
Mrs. Caddigan better be careful. I’m sure a lot of the Republican constituents are not happy about her campaigning for Pandak.
Not4Nothing, that happened on both sides. JMDD changed her TV spot at the last minute to include ‘tough on immigration’ because she wasn’t getting traction with anything else.
I personally think the whole immigration thing comes out neutral in the way it was handled. It is a problem, but was handled so poorly that it turned off as many people as it turned on, with a gain of zero.
If you all are against aliens coming to this country illegally, why are you against an amnesty program developed and approved by the federal government? Scooter Libby was illegal and got amnesty, didn’t he?
If your against people living here that don’t look like you, then I understand your position against amnesty.
The main conclusion to draw from this election is that the immigration issue is now at the forefront of not only PWC politics, but also the state and national levels. The illegal invaders and their fellow travelers can no longer hide behind the race card. Even someone who runs as well as Hillary can no longer hide from it.
Mr. Royce: You’re a class act. Hang in there. You’ll get support from many of us outside your immediate jurisdiction. Your time will come.
Ms. Pandak: First, fire your hairdresser. Then learn how to keep billable hours for real clients, not the imaginary ones you referred to in your campaign. You’re finished in this county, although I’m sure the blue-haired Mi-mi’s will hire you for DR court.
Mr. Colgan: Have your contractor buddies clean up your detritus around the county. Kudos for having the best, most expensive signs. Has your secretary recovered from election day? Give her my regards.
Everyone Else: This issue (Illegal Invasion), if not addressed adequately by the federal government very soon, as Mr. Royce says could very well result in violence like this country has not seen in over 140 years, regardless of these pissant efforts at the local and state levels. Be prepared for it, or start raising chickens and teaching your kids Spanish, and watch your country turn into a facsimile of Matamoras.
The Dude: Abide
Greg, I really appreciate your analysis of the election, however I think you missed one key point …and that’s in relation to the 51st HOD District.
PWCRC leadership will hold that Nichols’ victory was because moderate Republicans would not support the conservative views, ala Faisal Gill. Nothing could be further from the truth, and if we as Republicans are EVER to prevail, we must step up and accept truth. Opposition to a candidate with conservative views was NOT the issue at all.
In a heavily Democrat district, against two Democrats, Republican Julie Lucas took 71% of the vote for the Neabsco seat on the PWC School Board. While the 51st HOD District has historically been Republican strong, Paul Nichols defeated “conservative” Faisal Gill. Gill wasn’t defeated because of his conservative views. Faisal Gill was defeated because too many Republicans did not accept his past and current associates nor his explanation of how he was “exonerated.” …just simply didn’t buy it — there was no reason to take the chance.
Tom Kopko, jimmy Young, Denny Daugherty, et al, like to call those who could not accept Gill, “racists.” While that’s their prerogative, truth is, and they may continue denial, but truth is that it wasn’t a race issue at all — it wasn’t even a nationality or a religious issue. Fact is that Faisal Gill either supported terrorist sympathizers OR he has simply made very poor choices in his associates. One or the other is true, I know not which.
With Julie Lucas’ showing in the heavily Democrat Neabsco District for School Board, and the narrow victory of Paul Nichols in the 51st District, can you imagine the result if the PWC Republican party would have followed the advice of Jay O’brien and supported Julie with the 51st District HOD nomination? Things in the statehouse would look much, much different today. With even stronger PWC support, Jay may have been able to overcome the Democrat vote of Fairfax…but Jay got caught up in the tide to keep Gill out of Richmond.
Of course, the PWC Republican leadership doesn’t like to think about that, “…wrong about Faisal Gill, no way…” but it’s true and those who refuse to accept truth will be “easy meat” in the future. Repeatedly, they were told, “we need a candidate who is electable,” but nope, what did we get? We got a Republican nominee with access to lots of money (who didn’t mind doling it out) and who commanded a large block of one-issue, highly focused voters.
It didn’t work; hopefully it will never won’t work in any electoral race.
veteran said on 8 Nov 2007 at 9:08 am:
If your against people living here that don’t look like you, then I understand your position against amnesty.
LOOKS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. IF YOU BROKE THE LAW TO GET HERE AND CONTINUE TO BREAK THE LAW BY OVERCROWDING HOUSES, DRIVING DRUNK WITHOUT A LICENSE, STEAL U.S. CITIZENS IDENTITIES AND SSN NUMBERS AND A HOST OF OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO AMNESTY. WHAT IS IT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND BEING AN ILLEGAL REPEAT ILLEGAL ALIEN? AND BYE THE WAY…..VETERAN OF WHAT?
President Bush already backed off the immigration issue [on the recommendations of his advisors] because it is going to kill the republican party if they push it. It’s going to have very negative effects if there isn’t some smart changes in the rhetoric we’ve seen at these local levels.
I’m not saying to not address it. I’m saying that if you keep pushing it with what many view as radical ideas, then you’re going to find yourself in a political wilderness.
Anonymous 9:43.
Overcrowding houses, driving drunk without a license, stealing peoples identities. Those things are done by *legal* citizens too.
Veteran is a troll so please ignore him. He’s already well aware of these reasons but he prefers to keep spouting the race card thinking someone will actually listen. Americans know real racism when they see it and this isn’t it. Veteran knows it and he is just trying to stir the pot. He is being waved away like the common fly that he is.
TC: Correct. We don’t need any more then from other countries, you agree? You have just proven our case. Thanks.
Umm — And maybe it is that the voters of Woodbridge are afraid to leave their homes?
I am accepting contributions so I can move out of this third world communist enclave — anyone interested in helping me out?
Scooter Libby — okay — I’ll play, Scooter Libby was “charged” and found guilty by a jury of his “peers”(?)with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making a false statement to a federal investigator. Mr. Libby paid a fine of $250,400 for these “crimes”, plus enormous attorney fees, and basically had his life turned upside down for a few years.
Now prior to this time Mr. Libby was just a HARD WORKING public servant, who wanted to provide a comfortable life for his family, serve his country and his (Vice) President, paid his taxes, and otherwise obeyed the laws of this country and live out his American dream in the country where he was born and a legal citizen.
Now Mr. Libby did not go to prison for his “crime” but his sentence was commuted and he is under supervised release (parole) for 2 years, must serve 400 hours of community service and otherwise his life was pretty wrecked.
Now somehow you equate Mr. Libby’s status to granting amnesty (which Mr. Libby did not receive) to the estimate 12 to 38 million people in this country illegally.
Let’s see, have these 12 to 38 million people made any false statements? Well if they are using stolen SSNs or other identification — yes. Have they committed other crimes — yes, first they broke a law by illegally entering the US or overstaying a visa in the first place. (Mr. Libby was not charged with nor guilty of breaking any underlying law) but rather his charge was based upon some impression of a “cover-up” of a crime that was never committed in the first place. __ I guess sort of like abetting a bank robber by telling the police that no one robbed the bank when there was no bank robbery in the first place. (You have to actually stand on your head to make sense of that one).
So if “amnesty” to these 12 to 38 million people could be granted after they pay fines of $250,000 — that would be $ 3 trillion to $9.5 trillion — WOW let’s go for it — we could at the least cut the national debt by 1/3 to totally erase it in just with the fines — let alone all of the income tax that we could collect for the enormous attorney fees these 12 to 38 million people would need to pay — plus with 400 hours of community service each — that would be 2.3 million to 7.3 million YEARS of work at a 40 hour work week —
Just imagine — not only would all of the beer cans, trash, and feces left behind by all of these illegals be cleaned up — but we could not only eliminated all the trash and garbage dumps across the United States, re-hab every substandard housing in the US and every green space would look like a national park.
12 to 38 million people donating 10 weeks to community service — WOW — and cut the national debt by 1/3 to totally eliminating it —
do you have any other bright ideas?
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve. Federally approved amnesty to those without permission to be here removes them from the list of illegals. Therefore, they would be here legally through amnesty. No illegals = no more issues…unless their legal status was not the REAL issue.
Sure, I agree. I’m not sure what case I have proven though.
We are already seeing the clashes between citizens and illegal aliens. Citizens are fed up and going out with video cameras. They are filming illegal aliens in groups, waiting to be illegally picked up by people that want cheap labor. I hope they also film each and every one of the faces of those “pick-up truck traders,” along with their license plate numbers and keep records. If these brave citizens can stop the employers from picking up this cheap illegal alien labor force, maybe the jobs will dry up (for them) and the illegal aliens will go home. People that hire illegal aliens need to feel shame and it’s up to us to make them feel it.
People wait for day labor are automatically illegal? I’m sure there are illegal immigrants at day labor facilities, but I’m also sure there are some legal immigrants as well, as well as citizens too.
Veteran:
You know the real issue, you are just being an ass. Why not take your magic amnesty wand and walk through Levinworth and grant all of those criminals amnesty? Instant amnesty and then we won’t need to pay for 3 squares a day and a roof over their heads. So what that criminals will be released into the community. At least they won’t be ‘technically’ criminals any more once they are granted amnesty. It will be like they never committed a crime…
Give me a break. You are either being deliberately obtuse or your IQ must be in the double digits.
Observations:
- Manassas City, Manassas Park and most of Prince
William County have Republican as a natural
default position but it can be over ridden by
a strong “D” or “I” candidate running a competent
campaign. “R” isn’t carved in stone.
- The illegal immigration issue is starting to move
into three camps.
(A) Do something NOW - Grab anything and
beat back the “invaders”. Mad as hell
and not going to take it anymore -
throw a tantrum - smash the furniture.
(B) Legal/Illegal - who really cares? Sing
some old Woody Gutherie songs and
give each other a big group hug.
(C) A pragmatic,calm, thoughtful approach in
a new and difficult area for local government
- knowing the Feds aren’t going to
meet their responsibility to act, but they will
eagerly sue you for any action you take.
Looking for fair, responsible, cost
effective ways to mitigate the the challenges
that are firmly within the bounds of state and
federal laws. No doubt, this will draw
heavy fire from polarized folks in (A) and (B).
Perhaps not good politics, but good government.
***I seemed to have touched a raw nerve. Federally approved amnesty to those without permission to be here removes them from the list of illegals. Therefore, they would be here legally through amnesty. No illegals = no more issues…unless their legal status was not the REAL issue.***
You are kidding right? You think for a milisecond that those currently hiring black market labor are going to change overnight and start hiring newly “amnestied” labor? Paying taxes and benefits etc.?
At best, all blanket amnesty will give us is a wellfare nightmare and a even bigger tidal wave crashing the border.
Veteran — so you tell your teenage kid, (1) curfew is 11pm, (2) no drinking, (3) no drugs, (4) no sex, and (5) no driving the car — and two days later the kid comes home at 3 am, staggering drunk, reeking of pot, and parks the car on the front lawn, drops the keys he stole from your coat pocket, and mumbles that his girlfriend is pregnant — and you do what ?
move his curfew to 4am, give him his own set of keys to your car, buy him some beer and pot, and hook him up with another girlfriend who isn’t pregnant?
What part of the breaking the law and respect for the law do you not understand.
The United States as a republic and democracy is based upon that in our society each of the members will honor and obey the laws established. This is our social contract. This is what we owe to each other as members of this society. Anything less than this is anarchy, survival of the fittest, or maybe just the most violent?
He knows that already. He’s being an ass and succeeding well at it.
Royse, sour grapes - let it go, you lost. Hilda pulled the guy through and delivered the win which is what you thought Stewart was going to do for you.
Patty,
Covington, Nohe didn’t help Stewart either. Caddigan is a tough fair minded Republican women. I think the Republican Party needs ask Mrs. Caddigan what they need to do next to move forward. Trust me on this, the Republican come after Maureen and the backlash will be felt by the entire Republican party of Prince William.
Advocator,
You failed to mention the most Effective Signs. The sign Bob is holding now say “I’m a four time loser and the Republican Party is going to let me run again”.
Veteran: Let go of all that anger. You’re just about incoherent as far as I’m concerned–too much anger.
Royce:
“I say that because he (Corey) is just one man with only three for sure supporters on that Board now; ”
Unfortunately, you are wrong about that. Stewart only has 2 supporters on the board: Stirrup and May.
Caddigan, Nohe and Covington are not his supporters, though at times, Covington has played nicey nice for appearances before this election. When it comes down to votes, you’ll see Nohe, Caddigan and Covington voting together every time. Just watch and you’ll begin to see the split by January.
I’m very sorry that you won’t be the new Woodbridge supervisor. You were our last hope for a 3rd Stewart supporter.
Thank you for running and giving back so much to the Woodbridge community. I hope you continue to speak out as we can use your voice in PWC.
veteran, you can’t be serious… “If your against people living here that don’t look like you, then I understand your position against amnesty.” Being against amnesty has nothing to do with being against people living here that don’t look like me. I’m a Caucasian male in an interracial marriage (my wife is Asian). Nobody in my family looks like me and I don’t mind them living here in PWC or even in my own house. Pull your head out of your a**. Is that the only argument that you and people like you have? If so your going to have to come up with something better than that.
TC, if legal immigrants are also at these day labor pick-up areas, they should be smart enough to understand that they should be in their own group…away from illegal aliens and be more than happy to show their papers to the pick-up truck employers. Not only would they and should they be given the work over illegal aliens, they would probably get paid more, if the illegal aliens went away. So this is a win situation for legal immigrants.
As far as Corey Stewart goes, he is much more approachable than Sharon P. would have been. I can’t stand to listen to her, as she is so in your face and she preaches to the audience up from her pedestal. I hope this is the last we hear from her. Let’s hope Corey Stewart keeps those post card mailers coming on important issues, so that the supervisors will not ignore the voice of the voting people that they are by law required to represent.
The people are too stirred up over this issue to just let the BOCS waffle now. The makeup of the BOCS is no different after the election than it was beforehand other than having Hilda’s toyboy in her place. They still managed to pass the resolution with basically the same people so I see no reason why things would change now. The public outcry would be far too severe anyway. The only way the waffling BOCS members might have a chance to save face and quash the resolution would be if the illegal alien supporters manage to get a court injunction. It’s on the books now thanks to overwhelming public support and no way the BOCS can eat that kind of crow now by dissolving the resolution.
While I agree that the Brentsville is a Republican stronghold, this year’s results can’t really be used for much of anything. Wally Covington ran unopposed, not because he is a vibrant idealogue Republican but because he has a ready flow of developer money to give him a warchest nearly impossible to overcome. Like the Rishell-Miller race, the Democrats recycled a candidate whose best shot was two years ago. Bruce Roemelt is a nice guy and he knows how to knock on doors and get face time, but he’s just too far left for the district. People in the district aren’t necessarily thrilled with Bob Marshall, but they’re not ready for the revolutionary change Roemelt would represent. Even for school board, no Democrat-endorsed candidate ran. So I think a lot of Brentsville Democrats stayed home. I’m not saying Brentsville will be blue any time soon, but it’s not the inpenetrable fortress.
Freedom –
I couldn’t agree with you more. The Kopko crowd likes to call us RHINO (Republican In Name Only) and “Squish” and “traitor” and worse…James Young called me a racist on here (glad I have that one in writing)…just because we would not accept..will NEVER accept… flawed candidates just on the basis that the Kool-Aid drinking crowd has labeled that candidate “true conservative.” Their chosen candidates never have any kind of credibility and wherewithall to articulate a clear, conservative agenda anyway.
The irony is, it is us so called “RHINOs” that choose our candidates on the credibility to enact a conservative agenda and it is the Kopko crowd that chooses their candidate not on the ability to enact an agenda, but how easily that candidate can be controlled with their puppet strings. It’s sick really when you think about it.
This is the same loser crowd now that is in a panic to find every single Republican by name who supported Colgan and Nichols so they can be excluded from their doughnut munching, koolaid drinking, self-lovefests they call PWGOP meetings. They better enjoy their fun while it lasts. The tsunami wave is coming to clean house.
We’ll Clean it up in ‘07, ‘08, and ‘09.
starryflights,
Let me tell you about my first encounters with Ms Pandak. I first went to PWCBOS on6/5/07, and continued to go to all meetings. Often times I would speak at both citizens’ times. When I was there in late June with rat problems. Ms. Pandak didn’t really seem to know what my political beliefs were. So after I spoke about the rats and wanting them GONE. I go back to my seat in the Chambers only to find Sharon had moved her seat right next to where I’d been sitting. I sit down, and then she hands me a piece of paper with the name and the number of person I could contact at PWC. I looked at the paper, and told her I already had his number, and been working with my Supervisor and staff on this. I had already gone three levels above the name she’d given me. I can’t stand listening to her either, and I certainly didn’t appreciate her snaking over to the seat next to me. Then there’s her “Power of Five” bs. I think it’ll be very interesting to see if she continues to speak at Citizens’ Time. Any predictions? You are so right about you last comments.
Maureen ditched Pandak like a bad habit the last few weeks of the campaign. She saw the writing was on the wall.
OK gang, then it’s not the fact that many of these illegal folks are illegal. It seems to be that they don’t pay taxes, urinate in public, take jobs away from legal residents, drop keys from stolen cars into my pocket, overcrowd houses. Why all the talk about their legal status?
So you don’t have problems with illegal English or German folks who do not behave the way these others people do, just Spanish?
Not4Nothing–
Maybe the “changed stripes” rrally weren’t a change at all. I don’t for a mokent believe that Pandak, for instance, secretly wishes to see PWC’s doors opened to all the illegals in the world. I think Greg, HSM, Corey, Chris Royse, and tjeir ilk did a spectacular job of making this a black and white issue–either you’re on their side or you’re an “illegal alien apologist.” There waa no room for alternative approaches to the problem. Again, brilliant politically and for getting elected in the age of the sound bite. Unfortunately, it’s a horrible way to govern (as I’m afraid we’ll all find out over the next four years). As long as Stewart, Royse, et al, continue the acidic rheroric, we will continue to see lots of bluster. The Principi Watch? Maybe we should start a Stewart Watch to see just how long he sticks with the issue now that the votes have been cast.
Veteran,
No one seemed to even blink at the post about the illegal non hispanic alien who is a general manager at a local restaurant near 66 in Manassas. I am willing to bet that lots of folks still go in to that establishment and even shake hands with the manager when he comes to the table. Maybe someone, like the ABC board, needs to ask to see his residency papers and green card. Drugs, porno, illegal status all are frowned on by that agency.
Well, I am planning to attend every BOS meeting for the next two years even though I will have to take vacation time to do so.
I plan on paying very close attention to everything they do, and I also plan on voicing my opinion each time it is available. Prinicipi must deliver for Woodbridge.
This is not and has never been about people who look different, it is about people who have common values, when you share common values then it is easier to TRUST that other person. Now studies show that people do naturally gravitate to those who look like them because of a perceived belief in a shared commonality, it allows one to reach the “trust” status faster.
Now if your value system is one that includes being law-abiding then it is very difficult to get to a position of trust with people who demonstrate that they are not law-abiding.
Or as Martin Luther King put so eloquently that we judge on the content of character and not the color of the skin — or language, or accent.
But if you cannot trust that people are in this country legally, that they share that same law abiding character, that they share the same loyalty to this country, that their dream to be in the United States is based upon a true desire and appreciation for the United States, and is not purely based upon economic expiedience then how can you live with any sense of security?
If someone is willing to ignore laws merely for their economic benefit, isn’t that indicative of personal character already on a slippery slope of short cuts and selfishness. There is no shame or sin in being poor but there is plenty of sin and shame in being a thief.
Anon#121. That is one thing I find interesting in this whole thing too. I don’t know the person you are refering to, but it certainly is something that many people choose to ignore, isn’t it? It’s OK to harrass one group of people weither they are legal or not, while ignoring everyone else?
Anon#121,
Why don’t you name the establishment if you are so concerned about hearing what people have to say about it. I don’t care where on the globe they came here from if they are ILLEGAL, then they need to leave our great nation.
I’ve lived my entire life next to legal immigrants that are all Citizens and they vote. I’ve lived next to 2 German immigrants, a British immigrant, and a Guatamalen family. The family left WestGate because they didn’t like how the neighborhood had changed over the last few years of living here. The family lived here for twenty years, and have moved to the Brenstville District. The funny thing is the kids are IB students, and still attend Stonewall Middle.
Veteran — I don’t recall seeing any German or England flags at the pro-immigration rallies. Statistics indicate that approximately 90% of the illegals are from Latin America with about 63% from Mexico, 24% from Central America, and about 9% from South America. So when 9 of 10 illegals are hispanic, then it is a little difficult for it to not become a predominately hispanic issue; however, all illegals are illegal and even if you look and speak exactly like me, and have the same education as I do — I want you to GO HOME — and come back legally, when you actually want to become a citizen of the United States.
When I was extremely ill last winter and stumbled over to the CVS for some cough syrup just to get through the night, it wasn’t German signs, or Vietnamese signs hanging off the shelves. In my high fever stupor, it took a while for me to register the reason why I wasn’t reading cough syrup on the signs was because I wasn’t reading English. So I had to walk up and down several aisles until I actually located the item I wanted. (You see the English was on the opposite side of the sign — less convenient for me — I hope I made everyone in the store sick.)
Now it has been awhile since I’ve been shopping in Mexico, but I certainly don’t remember any of the signs being in English to accomodate me at the inconvenience of the local citizens.
Lafayette- so Pandack tried to help you and that makes her bad? It would have been better for you to be ignored? I just don’t understand how you think.
veteran said on 8 Nov 2007 at 11:20 am:
So you don’t have problems with illegal English or German folks who do not behave the way these others people do, just Spanish?
The people you refer to as “Spanish” are not even close to being Spanish. The only thing in common (and that is a stretch) is the language. Please don’t refer to Mexicans as being Spanish. THAT THEY ARE NOT!
Yeah laffy I agree. It’s a bit of a stretch to chastise the woman for trying to help, unless you left out a bit of the story where she treated you condescendingly or something.
anonymous#121 said on 8 Nov 2007 at 11:28 am
No one seemed to even blink at the post about the illegal non hispanic alien who is a general manager at a local restaurant near 66 in Manassas. I am willing to bet that lots of folks still go in to that establishment and even shake hands with the manager when he comes to the table. Maybe someone, like the ABC board, needs to ask to see his residency papers and green card. Drugs, porno, illegal status all are frowned on by that agency.
If you are so positive that the manager is an illegal, why don’t YOU report him. Forget about the ABC, try ICE!
Billy Boy,
I disagree with you. I really think the only reason Pandak did as well as she did is because Mrs. Caddigan was campaigning for her. I know some Republicans who are upset with Mrs. Caddigan and I’m not going to say more about it.
I know you know more about the Democrats in this county. Can I have your ear for a moment? I would like to know what Senator Colgan has in mind for cracking down on illegal immigration. What are your thoughts? Also, if you live in Westgate, do you see any improvements where you live?
And, do you think the Redskins will beat the Eagles? Last game was better than the Patriots’ game but sometimes the Redskins are scary to watch. It is hard to tell how they will do. I’m really hoping that they will get back on track and have a great second half of the season. Any thoughts?
I agree as well. I don’t recall being completely and utterly inundated by German or Polish illegal immigrants. I don’t recall seeing Kielbasa signs in Polish or German as I drive down the street in the park. I have never heard Polka music blasting from the neighbors in my development either. I have on the other hand seen nothing but Hispanic signs, people, food, day laborers, trash, urinating, et all coming from Hispanic people; a great many of whom are illegal. To answer your question, if my next door neighbors were German illegals that were trashing up my yard, commandeering my 2nd parking spot, having 10-20 people coming and going then yeah you betcha I would feel the same way. If my hypothetical German brethren were illegals and carried on the same way these people do then I would be ready to ship them home too. You know this already though Veteran. You just like to stir a race pot.
Judy T. on 8 Nov 2007 at 11:50 am:
AMEN!!!
I do believe lafayette’s post about Pandal trying to help isn’t a slam that she tried to help, but a way of demonstrating how out of touch Pandak is with the problems in PWC and how hard is is to correct those problems. Pandak apparently thought that all Lafayette need do is call a phone number, talk to a low level county employee, and all her problems would majically go away.
Then Lafayette gave Pandak a cold dose of reality–she had already called the number Pandak gave her and got no results. She had gone over that persons head-by several levels-and still nothing.
The point is Pandak is so out of touch she doesn’t understand what people in the hardest hit neighborhoods deal with on a daily basis, and even though she is involved with local government, she doesn’t notice that local government has done next to nothing to help people. AND Pandak seems to think that everything is fine!
Billy Boy,
Correct me if I’m wrong. I know you supported Colgan. You also said you supported Miller. Is that right? By the way don’t forget I posted some questions for you above. Thanks!
park’d — now when I was a young child there were some areas of Hammtramck, Michigan where a few signs were in Polish. My father’s sister would be ticked when her mother-in-law and aunts-in-law would speak Polish around her because she knew they were saying nasty things about her, and otherwise they just spoke English.
However, when the men went to work, the kids went to school, and wife went shopping everyone spoke English and did not expect to be addressed in Polish. Every now and then my uncle would say a few words in Polish, then we found out that he was swearing and didn’t want us kids to hear.
And never was there the arrogance that was displayed during the “citizens” time.
I worked the polls at Pattie Precinct and boy were people angry at Maureen and were calling her a traitor. If she had someone running against her, I think it would have been close. I have always liked her and felt she did a good job, but I myself cannot get over her endorsing Pandak. I saw her in a store the other day and I found I couldn’t talk to her at all she made me so mad. I wrote a letter to the editor about her that was never published, but I can no longer trust her.
Caddigan is so bitter about not being the republican chosen candidate for the chairman special election first and then second, for having someone run against her in her own district. Although I can understand her hurt, she has taken to a level which harms everyone allowing the bitterness to take over her entire perspective on life. It is very sad because she is so devoted to her district and her constituents, and I think she has been a friend to children and seniors while on the board.
She hates Chairman Stewart with a passion and I’m not sure she’ll ever be able to get over that. It is too bad, because I think her constituents deserve a Maureen that is happy and focused, instead of jaded and bitter.
Caddigan’s attitude comes through loud & clear at BOCS meetings, including citizens’ time - what a shame.
Great going Royse. You and your team did the very best you could under the circumstances.
The Party let you down as well as Jay OBrian. But they tend to do this,as they don’t use their heads.
One needs their own army of people to help go door to door and work the polls. This is what Frederick has done and it has paid off well for him.
Now we need to call in every violation on all our streets and demand action. Hilda never really followed through.
Hopefully before long we will be rid of Kopko and can get a Party that does what is suppose to do. Course that means getting rid of Fitzsimmons & Dougherty.
Good Luck Chris and don’t give up.
Park’d, if you do happen to find any Kielbasa signs in Polish or Polka music being played, please be sure to let me know. I have to have family bring fresh Kielbasa down from upstate NY as it is now (not that the Hillshire Farms available in the local grocery store isn’t good, too.) Still waiting for an XM Polka station. At least until then there is always http://247polkaheaven.com/
It was rather apparent that Chairman Stewart dislikes Ms. Caddigan also. They will have to get over it or keep it to themselves.
Caddigan has apparently been telling some people that this will be her last term.
I totally agree with what Not4Nothing had to say earlier….Immigration was a “defining” issue in the election, and was very important to a lot of people. That is why the more liberal candidates “suddenly” adopted anti-illegal immigration platforms as well. This totally confused the issue for some people. Thus, there were no clear cut anti-illegal immigration candidates, but instead EVERYBODY had an answer to the illegal alien problem. Quite the contrary to what the media is saying….Most of the people that won either had an illegal immigration strategy, or a “pseudo” illegal immigration plan. I believe Greg L. touched on this issue as well in his analysis. Don’t believe the spin that the Democratic victories were a referendum against immigration policies….Quite a lot of the winners talked big against illegal aliens. But, time will tell whether or not they follow through with the ideas they touted. We(the anti-illegal immigration folks) did not lose, but yes, we still do have a lot of work ahead.
I only know of one new restaurant down near I-66. This isn’t rocket science, folks. Here’s another clue: first name starts with G. I am surprised some of the employees haven’t turned him in.
Riley on 8 Nov 2007 at 1:48 pm:
Try Wilson’s out on 28 going towards Faquier County. Fresh made (you can watch them make it on a Saturday morning.
Patty,
I have tickets to the game so the Redskins better beat the Eagles.
I did support Miller, I voted for Harry Parrish in every race he ever ran for Delegate. I have voted Republican in every Presidential (even W twice), Congressional and US Senate race I have ever voted in.
Locally I get deeply concerned by the hateful tactics and lies. Bob FitzSimmonds and his band of brothers protested in front Harry Parrish office, harassed his wife and attempted to negatively impact his business. Bob FitzSimmonds and the extreme right moved Steve Chapman into a room in Manassas Park to run against Parrish in a primary. That is the respect the Bob and Company showed the “Father of the republican party” of PWC/M/MP. Harry didn’t deserve that and Chuck Colgan certainly didn’t deserve to have his name dragged through the mud.
I am a big fan of Senator Colgan, as are many independent thinkers who don’t only follow party lines. Colgan does have to step up more on immigration. However his record is actually pretty solid if you research the fact. He needs to introduce some legislation, but in his mind the legislation has to be constitutional. Cuccinelli gets 20% of his legislation through the Senate; in my mind he is wasting our time and our MONEY 80% of the time. Colgan gets closer to 70% of his legislation through. Getting things done requires compromise, getting 80% of what you want is better than 0.
The Republicans made a big mistake with Chapman. Bob FitzSimmonds may have been even bigger. Colgan’s family huge and they draw from a large cross section of people. If one of his Children or Grandchildren decides to run for the House of Delegate, they may or may not win, but it will be a hell of fight for
Lingamfelter, Miller or Marhsall. If I was some of these guys I would start screaming loudly and in a clear voice, BOB LIED AND WE DIDN’T SUPPORT HIM.
As for Westgate/Sudley getting better, I hope so but only time will tell. If the Feds don’t attempt to interfere it will get better. The Neighborhood really was home town USA not to many years ago, I would love to see it return to a place where families are raised in a safe and happy environment regardless of race. It may be racist but I have to say it, I would like it to be an English Speaking neighborhood.
Brighter Future Clean It up
You both mention getting rid of Kopko and company to fix things. Do you mean completely alienating them from the party or just putting a peace maker in power?
I can say it will be more of the same if Connaughton, Nohe, Caddigan, Covington and Co. takes over. The only difference is that it will be the other half of the party will be alienated, and that doesn’t do the party any good, because so-called moderate Republicans are not as dependable at the polls as the strong conservatives.
I’m guessing that Kopko is on his way out, but who is out there with his kind of dedication that is willing to take his place and that will appeal broadly to the Republican committee?
It is easy to say throw the bum out, but if you don’t have someone to replace them, then the power vacuum makes the situation even worse!
Let me revise my earlier statement.
The illegal alien issue was a winning one for Republican candidates this past election day throughout Virginia , except for where it wasn’t - which was pretty much everywhere (or at least in enough places to lose the VA House).
How’s that for spin?
Anon @12:07,
True she may have THOUGHT she was helping. However, as I’d stated I’d been contact with him already, and three more people in higher places. So therefore, she wasn’t giving me anything I didn’t already know. It was USELESS information to me at that point. What you fail to realize is I will not stop with one phone call if I don’t get the answers and/or action needed to fix a problem. I will contact whoever it takes to get crap cleaned up around here. It’s too damn bad you seem to have a problem with a concerned PWC native trying to maintain a healthy and safe invoronment for ALL of us to live in. I will continue to work hard at cleaning this place up. Sharon can now go hug all the trees she wants!
Anon. 3:09:
Any idea about what city it is in or some other way to track down info on it?
Patty said on 8 Nov 2007 at 9:01 am:
Mrs. Caddigan better be careful.
Patty - you need to stick to Westgate. Maureen knew exaclty what she was doing. Pandak did better in her district because Maureen worked for her including 80 people at a Republicans For Pandak lunch that was held during a Redskin game. Corey went after her with Brewer in a primary and she won 80% of the vote. If Corey -Bever Clever was a leader he would have a united Republicans on the board. But just like the local party - he has split the board.
As consitutant of Mrs. Caddigan I was delighted to see Mrs. Caddigan campaign against Stewart. So was my spouse. So were my neighbors. Mrs. Caddigan fully understands the OTHER problem in PWC, fiscal management and econonic development. She is not afraid of the bully tactics employed that might prevent others from speaking out.
We are doing just fine over here….. but thanks.
Riley
Wilson’s Meat is Catlett, on the right heading south on Route 28. There’s a traffic light at the intersection. There’s a FNB there, and an Amish establishment that sells sheds and several other hand crafted wood items. It’s well worth the trip out there. Let me know how you like it. I hope you make your way out there soon. You will be pleased, I’m sure.
Anonymous@ 5:25,
You should stay on Bull Run Mountain/Haymarket yourself. So much for those 80 Republicans that wasted their money on that event. The resolution was passed, so why don’t you stick to working on Silver Lake and Dominion Power now.
Anon..
What’s the resolution got to do with it? Not everyone that was against Stewart is for illegal immigration - some of us have more than one issue that concerns us. Doesn’t make any issue less important just a wider perspective that’s all.
One Voice,
I agree not everyone that was against Stewart is for illegal immigration. I think Anon#13 is calling out one person in particular. By what they wrote my guess would be that was aimed at Alana M. the lady who admits she’s married to an illegal. Just my observation, but of course what the heck do I know, right?
BTW-Neighborhood Watch coming to WestGate soon. We all feel the time has come for that. I would like to tell you, as for the removal of the taggings on sidewalk they cover it up with new layer of concrete. I’m so pleased to see them GONE!!!
Hmmm yet there are some that don’t understand what we are trying to accomplish here. I think you do. Thank you, for encouraging the Neighborhood Watch. Maybe, the next time you drive through here it will look better than the last time you were here, and those Neighborhood Watch signs will be up. I just wonder once they are up, how long before they start getting tagged too.
Anon; 8 nov. 12:59
The reason Corey is not one of Maureen’s favorite people is that he & Kopko tried to get Dovan Gray to run against Maureen in the primary. To their dismay Dovan went to Maureen and told her what they were trying and that he intended to support her. The stupid duo then got Brewer to run against her. He was stupiud enough to believe them and got his lunch handed to him. The cabal orchestrated events to hinder Lucy, then rigged the 51st convention to stop Julie. I think they have a problem with women being in the mix. I was one of the former republicans that have decided to go independent and support Colgan, Pandak, and Lucy against the chosen few. Until the PWCRC gets Daughtery (the king maker, just ask Chapman), Fitz, Gill, and the rest of the cretins I intend to limit my support for so called repubicans. Agter April 2008’s convewntiuon if Kopko is toast I may re-join the committee if Daughtery is marginalized and Fitz disappears.
Lafayette –
Oh okay - I just see more than the illegal problem - not much more but how to pay does concern me and drove my decision on Tuesday. Well, we will now see how it works out.
Great news about the Neighborhood Watch. Once it is established it helps tremendously with credibility.
Next for you I would suggest you look into the Crime Prevention Council. It might be helpful to get into that group once you are an established Neighborhood Watch. There is also the Citizens Police Academy which is held in Nokesville. There are so few people that are interested in their community that can do so with facts not to mention photos (!) and keep a cool head about them fixed on the outcome.
I went through similar processes to learn all about county budgeting and fiscal issues. Once armed with facts and knowledge …… if Mr. Stirrup ever takes another position you might be a shoe in!!!
Billyboy,
I dont think any of the Colgan clan even lives in Miller’s district anymore (but Im not sure). Plus Miller polled better in the 50th than Colgan did.
Just remember Miller is not a part of the Kopko/Chapman/Stewart crowd. In fact I think there might be some hostility between him and the Kopkoites. Miller was critical of their protest on Parrish’s office a couple years ago and I heard he slammed Faisal Gill as a speaker for Julie Lucas in their convention.
Miller has made himself a pretty formidable candidate from any direction you try to come at him.
Billy Boy,
I had supported Chapman. I didn’t know about the scandal.
Also, campaign workers behavior shouldn’t reflect on the person. I know it gets crazy with campaigning. I do believe, if I remember correctly, at the debate that Colgan acknowledged that Bob was civil when they went head to head last time. I think you might like Bob if you got to know him.
I would like to meet Senator Colgan face to face to find out about him as a person instead of as a candidate. I do wish he would visit his old neighborhood. I would like for him to come to my home.
Also, you are not being racist for wanting English as our language. That has been our language from the beginning of this country. It is one of the things we have in common. A country needs to have things in common in order to hold together. Look at what happened after the Soviet Union collapsed.
I hope the Redskins win! I’ll be watching on TV. I hope the weather will be good for you.
Anon 525
Caddigan was pissed at Stewart because she was not the one that the party supported for chairman when Connaughton left. There is NOTHING he could have done besides not run for Chairman in 2006, that would have made her happy.
She is going to hold that grudge forever.
Lafayette,
Good ole DC government workers back to “tricks” again…remeber DMV a few years back….
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=596&sid=1288045
I didn’t finish my posting…anyway The Washington Post has a better article.
I first learned of this in the morning when the ROD ( recorder of deeds) was closed this morning…..
redawn,
Well we’ve seen for ourselves first hand how the DC Real Estate Dept. is ran. I don’t miss us having to trek over there to pay taxes. This story didn’t surprise in the least, as I’m sure it didn’t you. DCROD closed today? What was the problem? Were some of the ROD’s employees involved too? Remember they had to give ole John M. the ax for his wrong doings down there.
I don’t MISS it either….they weren’t closed all day, opened up around 11:00…..clever than ever down there…but do eventually get caught
I am sure it will be talked on fish fry Friday…LOL ( hell, don’t even know if they still do that)
Mr. Royse:
Reading back through the comments, one thing you wrote really struck me. You wrote, ” If the electoral process continues to fail the average citizen, we could have some serious problems.” Are you saying that the fact that citizens by and of their free will chose not to elect you means the electoral process is failing them? Where was the failure in the electoral process you point to? Last I checked, the electoral process worked very well on Tuesday. There are no reports of major irregularities. Citizens got to exercise their right to select their leaders through an open election without intimidation or pressure. At the end of the day, the electoral process worked just the way it was supposed to. Unfortunately, you were on the short end of the stick this time around. In every election, someone has to lose. Don’t believe, however, that because you were not the choice of the electorate that the process is broken. That’s the way representative democracy works.
About the only thing I could say is broken is that off-off-year election turnout is horrendous. 25-31% stinks. So if anything, the average citizen has failed the electoral process and has no one to blame for that but himself.
One Voice,
Thank you very much. I’m more involved then most might realize, and I don’t post here all of my efforts. This is one of the reasons I would like to talk off of bvbl to you. I remain respectful and understanding of your choice to remain anonymous. My offer still stands. Please, think about it. Greg has had several folks ask to talk off of here with me. The first person he put in touch wishes to remain anonymous too, and I would never reveal their identity! I would most certainly give you that same respect.
redawn
Yes, Fish Fry on Good Friday still happens. I’ve gotten invites every year, and I’ve not worked down there for almost 8 years now. I do miss the other examiners.
Remember, I was just 17 when I first started working down there. Yikes!-lol
Time fly when your having fun…is that what it is? Are we having fun? LOL well, we do fit that in too…
Lafayette
I can hear alot of what you are doing because you are a wealth of information. Just think you present things well - that is a talent.
Thinking about the offline thing.
One Voice,
You are a wealth of info., too….just to let you know…SHOW ME THE MONEY… by the way, have you heard back from the letter you wrote as we discussed prior?
OneVoice,
Thank you. Well, you know have taken my lumps and my unfair share of namecalling too. These things will never chase me away, and only make me become more involved. The Citizens Police Academy was also discussed and under consideration by a few. I just don’t have the time to take on another thing right now. Perhaps, this spring. I hate the cold weather and tend to only leave the house when I HAVE to in the winter months.
My mom and several others that saw me at the polls Tuesday just couldn’t believe I was outside all that time. That’s just more proof of PASSION for the “illegal invasion” and the quality of life issues we are ALL faced with.
Patty:
I have seen Senator Colgan at Sudley School several times.
The pine wood derby or just having lunch with his Grandchildren. You are mistaken if you believe the Colgan’s are not part of the Sudley/Westgate community. His grandchildren attend Sudley. His daugher and son in law are very active in the school and local cub scout pack.
When the snow was deep in recent years, the Colgan boys have come by to help dig out some of the elderly folks.
Every time I attend a wake or funeral of someone from the old Westgate. The Colgan’s are there in numbers.
Futher, everytime Mr. Colgan recieves a big award, such as the building naming at NOVA, he thanks the people of Westgate.
On election night he and family Thanked Westgate/Sudley folks.
From my eyes they are a big part of Sudley/Westgate and sincerely appreciate the people there.
Strasburg St
Patty home schools, and doesn’t know what goes on at Sudley Elem.
I agree with what you’ve said above. However, I would certainly hope he would thank the folks of WestGate. They are the ones that have supported him since the days of him being on the PWCBOS. My parents and all of my neighbors have always supported Chuck. However, the immigration is a HUGE concern for us here. There are several us that feel the situation has been ignored by him. I would like to say I myself worked the polls for Chuck last election at WestGate Elem. It truly broke my heart to not vote for him for the first time in my life, and will continue having the utmost respect for him. You know I grew up on the same block of Lafayette that intersects with Strasburg, and myself attended school with the “baby” of the family, like myself.
I say this things with respect for Chuck. I know he’s a good man.
I would also, like to say congratulations to Chuck on his win. I really hope he will be fighting the immigration issue. Did anyone around here see him on the campaign trail in WestGate?
I don’t mean his staff, I mean Chuck himself. I haven’t spoken to a single person that did. I’m talking original owners too.
Please, I’m not looking for a fight, just some understanding.
Thank God for Fairfax County - I wish I could afford to sell my home and move there next week.
Thank God I live in Woodbridge (Belmont). I can sleep at night.
I am heart broken at what has happened to our county, but not because of the immigrants. It’s because of YOU!!
I read your site on occasion, and it always disturbs me how when someone disagrees with your opinion - your members immediately start name calling.
Good Leaders inspire, motivate, and unite. Corey Stewart has done nothing but divide our county.
Yes, we have an immigration problem, but your solution isn’t it.
Your solution calls for crackdowns and punitive measures only. It’s not that simple. Valid data, commissions , and compromise will need to be used to bring this county out of the Dark Ages.
[Ed note: COMMIE!]
Lafayette said on 8 Nov 2007 at 9:08 pm:
The History Channel (41 in PWC) is airing a show right now on MS-13 and in Northern Virginia.
Redawn
I wrote to Mr. Frederick, Mrs. Covington and Mrs. Ramierez. Mr. Frederick responded quickly and agreed aside from illegal immigraton there are a host of other issues to be addressed with a 22 year old sneaking into a school. Drugs, sexual predators, shooters….
Mrs. Covington wrote back and glibly informed me that this happens all the time espcially with kindergarten. I responded to her that I was almost more concerned about her response. I then pointed out that if this was a common problem in kindergarten you would think they would have come up with a good solution by now. No response. I received a similar comment from the school division assistant area chief (?), replied with the same comment and never heard back.
I’ve yet to hear from Mrs. Rameriz.
I think Mr. Frederick will take this seriously; I will follow up with him although I’m sure he has it written down somewhere.
When it came to voting for school board member (I only had one choice, Mrs. Covington) I couldn’t bring myself to vote for her at all.
Local school board gets a ” F ” from me.
I never attended a public school - parochial all the way through college. My son went to parochial school preK-8. He is a junior in local public schools. Not sure I would do public schools again.
I don’t have the courage or ability to home school.
SHOW ME THE MONEY is right.
I hope Mr. Stewart shows up next Tueday with a check for Jail Board and Police to pay for the program that re-elected him.
I will be watching and waiting!!!! Although I may go to the meeting, its hard to see everything on TV.
Re Guerrita 9:06 - at the bottom of her comment I find (Ed note: COMMIE) Explanation PLEASE !!! Greg couldn’t possibly have written that, could he?
[Ed note: I thought I would preempt her concern about name-calling by accurately labeling her as a Communist. I think it probably saved readers considerable time.]
Guerrita said on 8 Nov 2007 at 9:06 pm:
Good Leaders inspire, motivate, and unite. Corey Stewart has done nothing but divide our county.
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You are so correct! The county is dividing the ILLEGALS from the LEGALS!!!
Lafayette,
Good Evening, yes he himself walked Lomond Dr. alone knocking on doors, I saw him and stopped to speak with him.
He also told me he had visited a couple of his old neighbors
on Strausburg.
I don’t know if you attended the funeral service for Agnes but his son Ray even talked about the great people of Westgate.
I will never forget the way his voice cracked as he spoke of this community. At the election celebration the Senator mentioned it again and yes a lot of people from Westgate and Sudley attended. Nobody in his family especially him have forgotten where they came from, Westgate.
You and your Mom know Chuck and you know he is not going to over promise and under deliver. As he said (which got Patty so upset) He is not going to make a promise he cannot keep.
The Illegal Immigration issue is relatively knew and every part of Government needs to take some action to resolve.
Lafayette said on 8 Nov 2007 at 5:43 pm:
Riley
Wilson’s Meat is Catlett, on the right heading south on Route 28.
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Actually, Wilson’s is on the left side. The farm is on the right but the butcher shop is on the left side of the road. Turn left at the light at the intersection in Catlett. You can see the building on the left. It has Wilson’s painted on the roof.
Billyboy,
Well, thank you for setting me straight. Well, he didn’t visit any old neighbors on Lafayette.
I agree he’s not going to promise what he can’t deliver. Please, don’t misunderstand me. I hope you saw I did congratulate him above. I would never disrespect Chuck. I only stated what I knew. My mom and I both saw his sign at Stonewall reading friend of WestGate for 40years. I saw several others taking note of it. Perhaps, I’m just blinded by passion on the immigration issue. Let me know. Why don’t you email ole Dolph and tell her to give you my email address. I’ll still be here too.
I truly hope we see