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	<title>Comments on: Money Can&#8217;t Buy You Votes</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-40861</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-40861</guid>
		<description>Compared to Mr. Franklin who was convicted of giving secret to AIPAC, Nada got off. Franklin gets twelve years and she gets six months. Very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared to Mr. Franklin who was convicted of giving secret to AIPAC, Nada got off. Franklin gets twelve years and she gets six months. Very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39660</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39660</guid>
		<description>Hmmmmmmmm, something doesn’t smell good…..

“The stunning case of Nada Nadim Prouty, a 37-year-old Lebanese native who is related to a suspected Hizbullah money launderer…”

“I’m beginning to think it’s possible that Hizbullah put a mole in our government,” said Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief under presidents Clinton and, until 2002, Bush. “It’s mind-blowing…” 

“…how did an illegal alien from Lebanon who was working as a waitress at a shish kabob restaurant in Detroit manage to slip through extensive security background checks, including polygraphs, to land highly sensitive positions with the nation’s top law enforcement and intelligence agencies”?

I wonder if she was “exonerated” too. Have a good day, Faisal….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmmmmm, something doesn’t smell good…..</p>
<p>“The stunning case of Nada Nadim Prouty, a 37-year-old Lebanese native who is related to a suspected Hizbullah money launderer…”</p>
<p>“I’m beginning to think it’s possible that Hizbullah put a mole in our government,” said Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief under presidents Clinton and, until 2002, Bush. “It’s mind-blowing…” </p>
<p>“…how did an illegal alien from Lebanon who was working as a waitress at a shish kabob restaurant in Detroit manage to slip through extensive security background checks, including polygraphs, to land highly sensitive positions with the nation’s top law enforcement and intelligence agencies”?</p>
<p>I wonder if she was “exonerated” too. Have a good day, Faisal….</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39107</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39107</guid>
		<description>Thanks Jonathan, response from me is not even necessary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jonathan, response from me is not even necessary&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39024</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39024</guid>
		<description>"Fredo?"  Like I've said before, "you wonder why I call you Jimmy, Jimmy?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fredo?&#8221;  Like I&#8217;ve said before, &#8220;you wonder why I call you Jimmy, Jimmy?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-39009</guid>
		<description>Faisal Gill may never run for office again. However, the whole matter so beclouds Corey "I Put Faisal Gill On The Ballot" Stewart that it remains important.

Corey Stewart told an audience at a Woodbridge mosque last summer that "I put Faisal Gill on the ballot." Some of us view the nomination of someone with Faisal Gill's terror-lobbying background as a national security issue. Stewart won't get a free pass from us. He is unreliable.

Stewart should explain why he "put Faisal Gill on the ballot" and whether he today views having done so as wise. 

If Stewart refuses to repudiate and apologize for his mistake then we should draw the appropriate conclusions about whether Stewart is unfit for office.

"""And “Fredo,” when was Alamoudi convicted of that crime?""" 

2004

"""When did the investigation become public?""" 

2003

"""When was Gill the spokesman?"""

Gill was the AMCs "Director of Governmental Affairs" in 2001. During that time press reports would sometimes identify Gill as the AMCs "spokesman," although that was not his title.

When did Alamoudi stand in front of the White House and proclaim his and his audience's support for the officially-designated terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah? 2000.

When did Alamoudi first start laundering Libyan and Saudi money? 1995-96.

When did Alamoudi found the American Muslim Council? 1990

When did HOD-51 voters repudiate Gill's political background? 2007

When will Fairfax County voters repudiate Corey Stewart's record of support for the former Terror Lobbyist #1 Faisal Gill?  2008, if Stewart runs for Tom Davis's seat.

"""Since the answers are that Gill was the spokesman well before (i.e., years) Alamoudi was convicted, or when the investigation of him became public,"""

In early 2001 the American Arab Institute (AAI) banned Alamoudi from a dinner that the AAI was holding to celebrate the Bush inauguration. Guards met Alamoudi as he attempted to enter and informed Alamoudi that the AMC leader was not invited. 

AAI founder and leader James Zogby denounced Alamoudi in 2000, stating that Alamoudi's radical statements endangered not just Alamoudi himself but anyone who had ever supported Alamoudi.

But Gill chose not to listen to wiser heads like Zogby. Just a few months later Gill went to work as chief lobbyist for Alamoudi's AMC.

"""Your hindsight is soooo impressive, “Fredo.”"""

This is not a matter of hindsight, but rather foresight. Zogby knew that Alamoudi was dangerous in 2000/2001, and Gill knew also. Gill thought no one would care years later. Gill was wrong.

"""Why don’t you just ‘fess up that, like most of the Gill-haters, you despise Conservatives?"""

BVBL despises conservatives? This is news to most of us. BVBL was the reason Gill lost. I would not have known who Gill was if not for BVBL. The "Google Faisal Gill" meme worked. I was shocked at what I found. I mean with Gill and Gallinger, not just with the AMC.

"""Or is the reason you don’t the same reason you maintain your anonymity: you fear the consequences of being associated with your smears?"""

Rumor has it that James Young will denounce to Kopko and Stewart any PWCRC members who actively opposed Gill. These heroic PWCRC members, who put their country before their party, wear their cloaks of anonymity as badges of honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faisal Gill may never run for office again. However, the whole matter so beclouds Corey &#8220;I Put Faisal Gill On The Ballot&#8221; Stewart that it remains important.</p>
<p>Corey Stewart told an audience at a Woodbridge mosque last summer that &#8220;I put Faisal Gill on the ballot.&#8221; Some of us view the nomination of someone with Faisal Gill&#8217;s terror-lobbying background as a national security issue. Stewart won&#8217;t get a free pass from us. He is unreliable.</p>
<p>Stewart should explain why he &#8220;put Faisal Gill on the ballot&#8221; and whether he today views having done so as wise. </p>
<p>If Stewart refuses to repudiate and apologize for his mistake then we should draw the appropriate conclusions about whether Stewart is unfit for office.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"And “Fredo,” when was Alamoudi convicted of that crime?&#8221;"&#8221; </p>
<p>2004</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"When did the investigation become public?&#8221;"&#8221; </p>
<p>2003</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"When was Gill the spokesman?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Gill was the AMCs &#8220;Director of Governmental Affairs&#8221; in 2001. During that time press reports would sometimes identify Gill as the AMCs &#8220;spokesman,&#8221; although that was not his title.</p>
<p>When did Alamoudi stand in front of the White House and proclaim his and his audience&#8217;s support for the officially-designated terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah? 2000.</p>
<p>When did Alamoudi first start laundering Libyan and Saudi money? 1995-96.</p>
<p>When did Alamoudi found the American Muslim Council? 1990</p>
<p>When did HOD-51 voters repudiate Gill&#8217;s political background? 2007</p>
<p>When will Fairfax County voters repudiate Corey Stewart&#8217;s record of support for the former Terror Lobbyist #1 Faisal Gill?  2008, if Stewart runs for Tom Davis&#8217;s seat.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Since the answers are that Gill was the spokesman well before (i.e., years) Alamoudi was convicted, or when the investigation of him became public,&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>In early 2001 the American Arab Institute (AAI) banned Alamoudi from a dinner that the AAI was holding to celebrate the Bush inauguration. Guards met Alamoudi as he attempted to enter and informed Alamoudi that the AMC leader was not invited. </p>
<p>AAI founder and leader James Zogby denounced Alamoudi in 2000, stating that Alamoudi&#8217;s radical statements endangered not just Alamoudi himself but anyone who had ever supported Alamoudi.</p>
<p>But Gill chose not to listen to wiser heads like Zogby. Just a few months later Gill went to work as chief lobbyist for Alamoudi&#8217;s AMC.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Your hindsight is soooo impressive, “Fredo.”&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not a matter of hindsight, but rather foresight. Zogby knew that Alamoudi was dangerous in 2000/2001, and Gill knew also. Gill thought no one would care years later. Gill was wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Why don’t you just ‘fess up that, like most of the Gill-haters, you despise Conservatives?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>BVBL despises conservatives? This is news to most of us. BVBL was the reason Gill lost. I would not have known who Gill was if not for BVBL. The &#8220;Google Faisal Gill&#8221; meme worked. I was shocked at what I found. I mean with Gill and Gallinger, not just with the AMC.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Or is the reason you don’t the same reason you maintain your anonymity: you fear the consequences of being associated with your smears?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Rumor has it that James Young will denounce to Kopko and Stewart any PWCRC members who actively opposed Gill. These heroic PWCRC members, who put their country before their party, wear their cloaks of anonymity as badges of honor.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38986</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38986</guid>
		<description>And yeah, "Fredo," I guess I'm not surprised that you're impressed by Psychotic Racist Jonathan Mark's sophistry.

Only an idiot would be impressed by that nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yeah, &#8220;Fredo,&#8221; I guess I&#8217;m not surprised that you&#8217;re impressed by Psychotic Racist Jonathan Mark&#8217;s sophistry.</p>
<p>Only an idiot would be impressed by that nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38985</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38985</guid>
		<description>And "Fredo," when was Alamoudi convicted of that crime?  When did the investigation become public?  When was Gill the spokesman?

Since the answers are that Gill was the spokesman well before (i.e., years) Alamoudi was convicted, or when the investigation of him became public, I presume you won't favor us with your superior knowledge of what you suggest are "facts."  Understandable; innuendo serves you much better than facts.

Your hindsight is soooo impressive, "Fredo."  Why don't you just 'fess up that, like most of the Gill-haters, you despise Conservatives?  Or is the reason you don't the same reason you maintain your anonymity: you fear the consequences of being associated with your smears?

That's one reason why voters didn't blame Bush --- or Clinton, for that matter --- for the attacks on 9/11, and shouldn't have.  Either the Gill-Haters --- particularly those in the 51st District --- are dumber than the American electorate as a whole (possible), or their using these smears as an excuse for demonizing a Conservative that they don't dare attack on ideological grounds (likely).

When did you get your degree from the Herr Goebbels Big Lie School of Political Propaganda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8220;Fredo,&#8221; when was Alamoudi convicted of that crime?  When did the investigation become public?  When was Gill the spokesman?</p>
<p>Since the answers are that Gill was the spokesman well before (i.e., years) Alamoudi was convicted, or when the investigation of him became public, I presume you won&#8217;t favor us with your superior knowledge of what you suggest are &#8220;facts.&#8221;  Understandable; innuendo serves you much better than facts.</p>
<p>Your hindsight is soooo impressive, &#8220;Fredo.&#8221;  Why don&#8217;t you just &#8216;fess up that, like most of the Gill-haters, you despise Conservatives?  Or is the reason you don&#8217;t the same reason you maintain your anonymity: you fear the consequences of being associated with your smears?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one reason why voters didn&#8217;t blame Bush &#8212; or Clinton, for that matter &#8212; for the attacks on 9/11, and shouldn&#8217;t have.  Either the Gill-Haters &#8212; particularly those in the 51st District &#8212; are dumber than the American electorate as a whole (possible), or their using these smears as an excuse for demonizing a Conservative that they don&#8217;t dare attack on ideological grounds (likely).</p>
<p>When did you get your degree from the Herr Goebbels Big Lie School of Political Propaganda?</p>
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		<title>By: BullElephant</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38974</link>
		<dc:creator>BullElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38974</guid>
		<description>"Hmmm..." said that Frederick's business is having trouble paying its bills, and insinuated that he might have raided the company coffers to get elected.

Two things:

1) Substantiate this rumor or keep it to yourself.  Your innuendo is sleazy.

2) The source of all of Frederick's campaign finances are a matter of public record, as are those for every other candidate.  So again, throwing garbage like that out is just sleaze-peddling.  Put up or shut up.

By the way, has anyone heard if "Hmmm..." has stopped beating his wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hmmm&#8230;&#8221; said that Frederick&#8217;s business is having trouble paying its bills, and insinuated that he might have raided the company coffers to get elected.</p>
<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1) Substantiate this rumor or keep it to yourself.  Your innuendo is sleazy.</p>
<p>2) The source of all of Frederick&#8217;s campaign finances are a matter of public record, as are those for every other candidate.  So again, throwing garbage like that out is just sleaze-peddling.  Put up or shut up.</p>
<p>By the way, has anyone heard if &#8220;Hmmm&#8230;&#8221; has stopped beating his wife?</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38933</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38933</guid>
		<description>For Jonathan Mark:  That little deduction concerning "intent to support the nominee" wasn't difficult at all, was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Jonathan Mark:  That little deduction concerning &#8220;intent to support the nominee&#8221; wasn&#8217;t difficult at all, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38932</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38932</guid>
		<description>...and jimmy who was it that admitted being a spokesperson for this AMC organization founded by Abdurahman Alamoudi??  (Faisal Gill) ...and where is the "founder" of this organization today? (in prison for supporting terrorists)

Can you really imagine a person being hired and serving as an admitted spokesperson for an organization without knowing "just a little bit" about what the founder of the organization had in mind?  If he Faisal Gill "had no idea," doesn't make sense that he could have been a very effective spokesperson, huh?  

...and jimmy, I'm confident that Gov Kaine felt that he was "...seeking to mainstream a Muslim into American society" too, and then, son-of-a-gun, he found that the guy had occasional tendancies toward Jihad....whoa!!!  

......just a little too much risk for me (and fortunately, a few others) to take in selecting a Delegate to the Virginia HOD.   As I've said all along, no need to take that chance; fortunately we didn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and jimmy who was it that admitted being a spokesperson for this AMC organization founded by Abdurahman Alamoudi??  (Faisal Gill) &#8230;and where is the &#8220;founder&#8221; of this organization today? (in prison for supporting terrorists)</p>
<p>Can you really imagine a person being hired and serving as an admitted spokesperson for an organization without knowing &#8220;just a little bit&#8221; about what the founder of the organization had in mind?  If he Faisal Gill &#8220;had no idea,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make sense that he could have been a very effective spokesperson, huh?  </p>
<p>&#8230;and jimmy, I&#8217;m confident that Gov Kaine felt that he was &#8220;&#8230;seeking to mainstream a Muslim into American society&#8221; too, and then, son-of-a-gun, he found that the guy had occasional tendancies toward Jihad&#8230;.whoa!!!  </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;just a little too much risk for me (and fortunately, a few others) to take in selecting a Delegate to the Virginia HOD.   As I&#8217;ve said all along, no need to take that chance; fortunately we didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38894</guid>
		<description>Losers often have disadvantages which they must overcome. So they tend to spend more per vote received than they would without those disadvantages.

On the other hand, winners usually raise and spend more money. Therefore winners can afford to keep spending to acquire marginally more expensive votes. The poorer candidate cannot afford to go after those marginally expensive votes. 

Therefore winners also tend to spend more per vote received.

The two cause-and-effect relationships cancel out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Losers often have disadvantages which they must overcome. So they tend to spend more per vote received than they would without those disadvantages.</p>
<p>On the other hand, winners usually raise and spend more money. Therefore winners can afford to keep spending to acquire marginally more expensive votes. The poorer candidate cannot afford to go after those marginally expensive votes. </p>
<p>Therefore winners also tend to spend more per vote received.</p>
<p>The two cause-and-effect relationships cancel out.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm...</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38888</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38888</guid>
		<description>Frederick may need to get a little better with his finances. As I understand it, his company, GenX Strategies is having troubles paying its bills. How much of his campaign was self-financed?  Did he raid the company coffers to get elected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick may need to get a little better with his finances. As I understand it, his company, GenX Strategies is having troubles paying its bills. How much of his campaign was self-financed?  Did he raid the company coffers to get elected?</p>
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		<title>By: IronMike</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38882</link>
		<dc:creator>IronMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38882</guid>
		<description>The difference between what losers and winners spent is not statistically reliable (that is, it differs only by chance) using the data provided in the table for this piece. The implications is that it is unwise to conclude that there is a difference between what winners and losers spent per vote received. For those interested in specifics, the results of a paired-samples t-test were t = 1.38, df 6, p = .22.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between what losers and winners spent is not statistically reliable (that is, it differs only by chance) using the data provided in the table for this piece. The implications is that it is unwise to conclude that there is a difference between what winners and losers spent per vote received. For those interested in specifics, the results of a paired-samples t-test were t = 1.38, df 6, p = .22.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38878</guid>
		<description>"""all participants in official Republican Party nominating contests must pledge their 'intent to support all of the Party’s nominees for public office in the ensuing election.'""

Any delegate who: 

(1) Intended for Julie Lucas to win the nomination; and 

(2) Intended to support the intended winner Julie Lucas

by definition possessed an “intent to support" the intended winner of the HOD-51 nomination. Unlike Tom Kopko, they intended that winner to be Julie Lucas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"all participants in official Republican Party nominating contests must pledge their &#8216;intent to support all of the Party’s nominees for public office in the ensuing election.&#8217;&#8221;"</p>
<p>Any delegate who: </p>
<p>(1) Intended for Julie Lucas to win the nomination; and </p>
<p>(2) Intended to support the intended winner Julie Lucas</p>
<p>by definition possessed an “intent to support&#8221; the intended winner of the HOD-51 nomination. Unlike Tom Kopko, they intended that winner to be Julie Lucas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38873</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38873</guid>
		<description>"""“Fredo,” that you find it so easy to demonize an organization which seeks to mainstream Muslims into American society — and was concededly but unfortunately infiltrated by one among that small minority who are Jihadists"""

Reality check. Abdurahman Alamoudi FOUNDED the American Muslim Council. 

FOUNDED.

He didn't infiltrate the organization which he founded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"“Fredo,” that you find it so easy to demonize an organization which seeks to mainstream Muslims into American society — and was concededly but unfortunately infiltrated by one among that small minority who are Jihadists&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Reality check. Abdurahman Alamoudi FOUNDED the American Muslim Council. </p>
<p>FOUNDED.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t infiltrate the organization which he founded.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38863</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38863</guid>
		<description>OK jimmy, see it as you wish..:) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK jimmy, see it as you wish..:) <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38860</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38860</guid>
		<description>More importantly, Hampden-Sydney beat Randolph-Macon 31-13 for fifth consecutive ODAC title, in the oldest rivalry in the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More importantly, Hampden-Sydney beat Randolph-Macon 31-13 for fifth consecutive ODAC title, in the oldest rivalry in the South.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38858</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38858</guid>
		<description>MASSIVE WIN FOR THE HOKIES... SORRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SPORTS, BVBL :-)  THAT COMMONWEALTH CUP IS GOING TO MEAN SOMETHING!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MASSIVE WIN FOR THE HOKIES&#8230; SORRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SPORTS, BVBL <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  THAT COMMONWEALTH CUP IS GOING TO MEAN SOMETHING!!</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38836</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38836</guid>
		<description>The PWCRC went from 234 in 2006 to 110 this past Fall.  Speaks volumns about the decisive tactics of the Kopko Kops and his Merry enablers.  I will only get worse in the 2008 elaction as far as PWC is concerned unless they kick that cabal out of the committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PWCRC went from 234 in 2006 to 110 this past Fall.  Speaks volumns about the decisive tactics of the Kopko Kops and his Merry enablers.  I will only get worse in the 2008 elaction as far as PWC is concerned unless they kick that cabal out of the committee.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38830</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/09/money-cant-buy-you-votes/#comment-38830</guid>
		<description>"Fredo," that you find it so easy to demonize an organization which seeks to mainstream Muslims into American society --- and was concededly but unfortunately infiltrated by one among that small minority who are Jihadists --- says more about your biases and bigotry than it does about the organization you condemn.  It is, of course, ridiculous to assume that the individual of whom you speak shared his treacherous views with Gill, who served in that role for only a short time, years before that treachery was revealed, but your entire web of fantasy relies upon that proposition.

Sadly, the treacherous frequently rely upon lies to infiltrate organizations which rely upon the honor and good will of their membership.  Sadly, good people are sometimes taken in by pretensions of those of a different sort.  Sort of like the GOP relies upon the honesty of those who pledge their "intent to support all of the Party's nominees for public office in the ensuing election."

Which brings me to your comment that "no one, repeat NO ONE who took any kind of oath to support any particular candidate."  You are, of course. correct.  Nice phony straw man.  Of course, that's not what I said, and it's not what the Republican Party Plan says.  What it says is that all participants in official Republican Party nominating contests must pledge their "intent to support all of the Party's nominees for public office in the ensuing election."  THAT is the oath that was violated by those who attended the 51st District Convention and refused to support the nominee chosen by it, and I have suggested nothing else.

Even Greg was conceding before Election Day that Faisal stood a good chance in the race, notwithstanding the smears of you and others, and his best efforts to provide a forum for you.  It's also ironic that those who speak so sanctimoniously, so frequently, and so unconvincingly about a "big tent" were unwilling to open the flaps for those that Gill brought into the Party.  The "big tent" that they/you want is only one "big" enough to include those you deem worthy.

Of course, your claim that "all PWC Republicans were warned, time and again" is nothing that a self-fulfilling prophecy brought about by the dishonorable who violated their oath.  Hindsight is 20/20, and it's truly sad that the GOP is populated by a contingent less interested in electing Republicans than it is in indulging its petty and self-serving, fanciful grievances when it doesn't get its way.  We may well face the same thing from the threat of some Christian Conservatives to sit out the 2008 presidential race if Guilliani is the nominee.  I wonder what you'll say if they do? 

As for Gill's effect on Jay's race, "Fredo," or "Gredo," or whatever, it is GREG who manages to argue quite convincingly, based upon the evidence, that Gill had little to do with O'Brien's results.  Your argument is therefore with him, primarily, not me, though if you'd like to see the actual figures, I would commend to your attention this post: http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/11/scapegoating-gill-is-nonsense.html.  The numbers demonstrate that Jay actually did quite better than Gill in the precincts they shared than he did compared to that single precinct he shared with Bob Marshall.  It is impossible to construct from those results the notion that Gill was a "drag" on O'Brien.  Turnout was 35.09% in PWC precincts in Jay's district.  Turnout was 33.56% in Fairfax County precincts in Jay's district.  If anything, Faisal's candidacy AIDED O'Brien's efforts by facilitating a higher GOP turnout in PWC..

Once again, "Fredo," when the truth doesn't suit your purpose, you simply make it up.  And belittle.  That, along with your cowardly pseudonymity, bespeaking your unwillingness to bear the consequences of your perfidy, speaks volumes about you and your character, or more accurately, your lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fredo,&#8221; that you find it so easy to demonize an organization which seeks to mainstream Muslims into American society &#8212; and was concededly but unfortunately infiltrated by one among that small minority who are Jihadists &#8212; says more about your biases and bigotry than it does about the organization you condemn.  It is, of course, ridiculous to assume that the individual of whom you speak shared his treacherous views with Gill, who served in that role for only a short time, years before that treachery was revealed, but your entire web of fantasy relies upon that proposition.</p>
<p>Sadly, the treacherous frequently rely upon lies to infiltrate organizations which rely upon the honor and good will of their membership.  Sadly, good people are sometimes taken in by pretensions of those of a different sort.  Sort of like the GOP relies upon the honesty of those who pledge their &#8220;intent to support all of the Party&#8217;s nominees for public office in the ensuing election.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which brings me to your comment that &#8220;no one, repeat NO ONE who took any kind of oath to support any particular candidate.&#8221;  You are, of course. correct.  Nice phony straw man.  Of course, that&#8217;s not what I said, and it&#8217;s not what the Republican Party Plan says.  What it says is that all participants in official Republican Party nominating contests must pledge their &#8220;intent to support all of the Party&#8217;s nominees for public office in the ensuing election.&#8221;  THAT is the oath that was violated by those who attended the 51st District Convention and refused to support the nominee chosen by it, and I have suggested nothing else.</p>
<p>Even Greg was conceding before Election Day that Faisal stood a good chance in the race, notwithstanding the smears of you and others, and his best efforts to provide a forum for you.  It&#8217;s also ironic that those who speak so sanctimoniously, so frequently, and so unconvincingly about a &#8220;big tent&#8221; were unwilling to open the flaps for those that Gill brought into the Party.  The &#8220;big tent&#8221; that they/you want is only one &#8220;big&#8221; enough to include those you deem worthy.</p>
<p>Of course, your claim that &#8220;all PWC Republicans were warned, time and again&#8221; is nothing that a self-fulfilling prophecy brought about by the dishonorable who violated their oath.  Hindsight is 20/20, and it&#8217;s truly sad that the GOP is populated by a contingent less interested in electing Republicans than it is in indulging its petty and self-serving, fanciful grievances when it doesn&#8217;t get its way.  We may well face the same thing from the threat of some Christian Conservatives to sit out the 2008 presidential race if Guilliani is the nominee.  I wonder what you&#8217;ll say if they do? </p>
<p>As for Gill&#8217;s effect on Jay&#8217;s race, &#8220;Fredo,&#8221; or &#8220;Gredo,&#8221; or whatever, it is GREG who manages to argue quite convincingly, based upon the evidence, that Gill had little to do with O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s results.  Your argument is therefore with him, primarily, not me, though if you&#8217;d like to see the actual figures, I would commend to your attention this post: <a href="http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/11/scapegoating-gill-is-nonsense.html." rel="nofollow">http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/11/scapegoating-gill-is-nonsense.html.</a>  The numbers demonstrate that Jay actually did quite better than Gill in the precincts they shared than he did compared to that single precinct he shared with Bob Marshall.  It is impossible to construct from those results the notion that Gill was a &#8220;drag&#8221; on O&#8217;Brien.  Turnout was 35.09% in PWC precincts in Jay&#8217;s district.  Turnout was 33.56% in Fairfax County precincts in Jay&#8217;s district.  If anything, Faisal&#8217;s candidacy AIDED O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s efforts by facilitating a higher GOP turnout in PWC..</p>
<p>Once again, &#8220;Fredo,&#8221; when the truth doesn&#8217;t suit your purpose, you simply make it up.  And belittle.  That, along with your cowardly pseudonymity, bespeaking your unwillingness to bear the consequences of your perfidy, speaks volumes about you and your character, or more accurately, your lack thereof.</p>
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