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Kaine: Deporting 8% of Illegal Aliens Is Good Enough
By Greg L | 12 November 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 61 Comments
In a recent letter to a local newspaper, John Marshall, the Virginia Secretary of Public Safety decided to play some public relations defense for the Kaine administration which has been refusing to consider enrolling state law enforcement in the Section 287(g) Program. As we heard from Prince William County Police Chief Charlie Deane before he had an opportunity to discover how effective the Section 287(g) program can be, Marshall is touting his existing relationship with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and implying that current efforts to deport illegal aliens are all that’s needed. In Prince William County, this program boosted deportations tremendously, and it’s pretty clear it would do the same for the state, especially given the rather modest effect current effectiveness of existing programs. But are we getting the whole truth from the Kaine administration? Apparently not.
When Prince William entered into the program at the Adult Detention Center, deportations went from next to nothing to fifty-six in the first month of operation. Out of a population of 1028 inmates in November, 173 (16.8%) are currently being held on immigration detainers. The current informal practice at the State Department of Corrections has identified 986 illegal aliens out of a population of about 33,000, or 2.9% of the inmate population. What is surprising about this is that only 1,351 inmates have been identified so far as being foreign born, meaning that 73% of all foreign-born inmates are illegal aliens. Something isn’t right about this, since it’s terribly unlikely that such a huge portion of foreign-born persons are illegal aliens in Virginia, and that such a small percentage of the inmate population has been screened and identified as illegal aliens. This tiny percentage of inmates that have been identified as illegal aliens and who will be placed on immigration detainers is similar to what the PWC Adult Detention Center was doing prior to 287(g).
Similarly, the 213 illegal aliens who have been identified as illegal aliens and turned over to ICE by the State Police seems to be a stunningly low number, given that Northern Virginia, Tidewater and the Shenandoah Valley all have significant illegal alien populations. While Fairfax processes over 4,000 illegal aliens through their detention center every year, the entire State Police Force can only identify and process a couple hundred during a nine month period? That number is ridiculously low.
What isn’t right is that Marshall isn’t telling the whole story here, and that’s why these statistics seem so strange. According to the New York Times, the Department of Corrections and Virginia State Police actually identified 12,000 illegal aliens. Only 690 of these were ever turned over to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. The other 92% of illegal aliens that were detained by police or processed through the Department of Corrections were released back into our community. While John Marshall, as a mouthpiece for the Kaine administration wants to talk all about the illegals they actually did something about, they’re neglecting to tell us about the overwhelming of proportion of known illegal aliens they let go. Since the Department of Corrections and the Virginia State Police don’t participate in the Section 287(g) Program, all deportation processing happens at the mercy of ICE, and as a result the vast majority of known illegal aliens are slipping through the cracks — no, chasms — that have been carved in the Commonwealth’s public safety policies towards illegal aliens.
This blather by Tim Kaine is nothing more than a smokescreen to justify his desire to ensure that to the maximum extent possible, Virginia will continue to play “catch and release” with illegal aliens. This has got to stop. The first step in fixing this has probably got to be getting Tim Kaine to be honest with Virginia residents about what they’re doing here.
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Greg, they will NEVER admit to it since they want the illegal immigrants to vote. This will mean more votes for them and as long as they seem sympathetic to the immigrants cause, they will continue to be held in the good light as far as the illegals are concerned.
Once we are able to hold the politicians feet to the fire, only then will the immigration issue go away. Once we are able to support the border and shore it up, only then will the illegal immigration issue go away. Once we get a hold on the employers employing these illegals, only then will the immigration issue go away.
Kaine will not come out directly against these people because he secretly wants them to get the right to vote just like the NY gov and Hillary.
Hard working tax paying legal immigrants should be up in arms about this. They had to go through a great deal to get here LEGALLY and paid good money to go through the process as well!! I am totally surprised I do not see more LEGAL immigrants speaking out about this and the Liberty wall. Seems like this brings added attention to a group of immigrants than it really should.
As I have said in the past, if they would assimilate, they would have fewer problems because they would not stand out as much. It isn’t about the color of their skin or the accent they may have, it is the BLATANT disregard to assimilation.
Who says the Hispanics have the market cornered on illegal immigration? When I say illegal immigrant I mean anyone here illegally.
Here is a news article from today’s MJM under the byline of indictments. Interesting to note that 30 of these names are Latino. Charges range from murder, hit and run, multiple DUI convictions, child abuse, drug abuse and the usual sexual crimes.
Of course, one cannot tell if they are legal or illegal. Wanna take a guess?
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353463301&path=!news
Kaine is not doing much of anything about illegal aliens. Remember he spent time in Central America as a “missionary” so you know where his heart is.
t is the VETERAN, not the preacher,
Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the VETERAN, not the poet,
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,
Who has given us freedom to assemble.
It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the VETERAN, not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Veteran, not the Liberals
Who preserved this Great Nation,
So the Illegal Aliens,
can wave the Mexican flag in our face!
BL I think you forgot one:
It is the VETERAN, not the police officer,
Who has given us the right to enforce existing laws.
Speaking as a Navy veteran, I personally find it hard to swallow, people entering MY country illegally and demanding rights that I placed my life on the line to protect for those here LEGALLY!!!
Once the whining is over, they WILL have to leave since they entered illegally. The sooner they start the mass exodus, the better!
You have the right to display our opinion, of course if you are here legally that is, if not, you should be making arrangements and plans for your return back to whichever country you illegally entered here from.
“How will we know when we have enough illegals in *Virginia*?” - www.thedustininmansociety.org
\/\3|)ic 64 said on 12 Nov 2007 at 4:58 pm:
You have the right to display our opinion, of course if you are here legally that is, if not, you should be making arrangements and plans for your return back to whichever country you illegally entered here from.
They are all hoping and praying for another amnesty. That is what is still driving them over the border. Hide out and wait for amnesty. If either Hillary or Obama get in we can look for an amnesty as sure as the sun comes up every day.
And remember, Hillary’s co-chair for election is the past president of LaRaza.
Legal2,
Thanks, I guess.
I saw that number keep going up as I was reading that short article. Yikes!
8% What a joke! Looks like Greg L needs to put that link back up for the petition. All legal Virginians should sign it. I know I didn’t waste anytime. How about you?
everyone in my family signed on, Lafayette. BTW, I sent in 2 more complaints to zoning on Friday and both were returned to my email as undeliverable. Any suggestions? Maybe zoning is swamped with complaints!
Lou Dobbs is discussing illegal immigration (every night) - 7-8 pm, channel 29. Go Dobbs!
legal2,
I hope they are swamped. I talked to one inspector last week he said they were pretty busy. I would suggest calling it in, and still try to email too. That way you have a trail of your complaint too. Good luck. Hopefully, they don’t send you know who
God bless Sheriff Joe Arpaio - on CNN now
999, Is there a reason you put missionary in quotation marks? Are you indicating a suspicion Kaine did not do what is described on his site (below) or is it that you object to such missions?
“Governor Kaine’s career of public service began when he took a year off from law school to volunteer with missionaries in Honduras. There, he served as the principal of a small Catholic school that taught teenagers basic carpentry and welding skills.”
Yes, he appears to have a heart.
Who cares if Kaine has a heart - we want the law enforced and he is neglecting his responsibility. Kaine is certainly not Able.
Leila: “Yes, he appears to have a heart.”
Irrelevant. He’s the chief executive in Virginia and he’s sworn, by oath, to uphold the laws. He should get busy.
legal2: “Kaine is certainly not Able.”
Good one!
es_la_ley, i would assume all the ICE officers have sworn oaths as well, by and large they do not enforce the law.
Leila: “es_la_ley, i would assume all the ICE officers have sworn oaths as well, by and large they do not enforce the law.”
Well, okay, then them too!
Leila on 12 Nov 2007 at 7:24 pm:
No, I put it in quotes as he was acting as a lay person rather than a religious person. Didn’t want anyone to think he left the religious life to become a governor. Heaven forbid!
Sheriff Joe is my ultimate hero!! We need a few of him here in Virginia to clean this mess right up.
es_la_ley said on 12 Nov 2007 at 7:57 pm:
legal2: “Kaine is certainly not Able.”
Good one!
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…..and to coin another……”He is no John Kennedy.”
Speaking of Kennedy (this has nothing to do with anything in this thread) but I just found an old book abt JFK. Pres. Kennedy was asked by a little boy, “Mr President, how did you become a war hero?” Answer: It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat.”
I keep hearing the issue of those who came legally vs. illegally…
For those of who had ancestors come to this country in the 19th, 20th century, how did they get in? Did your descendants go to the embassy or consulate and get a passport or visa?
We know the answer.
The problem is now that the United States has allowed the borders to be porous and have basically welcomed the undocumented immigrant to come into the country with pretty much arms wide open. Now withstanding the drug dealers, hardened criminals and those who break the law while they are here, what has the U.S. Government done to alleviate the problem?
From this blog, one would assume Latinos are the cause of the ills within PWC and Virginia. I think this is a small minority of people who are causing the trouble, much like there are a small portion of people from all walks of life who commit crimes. Basically, most immigrants come here to work and improve their lives — much like most people’s ancestors do. Sorry, from what I know, all the illegal immigrants who happen to be Hispanic have no way of getting into this country using “legal” methods.
I also hear this issue of being part of the “culture” — assimilation is all fine and well, but there are so many sub-cultures within the United States that the proverbial melting sort of doesn’t exist. Do we go after the Koreans, Chinese, Muslims and those from the Indian subcontinent and give them as much scrutiny as those who are Latino? What about those who voluntarily stay within their own communities?
I mean seriously, do we kick out families whose kids may American citizens?
I’m not advocating breaking the law; however, how does one solve a problem that has so many layers?
Our government has let this problem go out of control for so long, and isn’t all Bush’s fault. I see none of the new legislation working to it’s fullest, unless the Feds step in and realize that there has to be some compromise made. I think there also needs to be a little bit of compassion with this issue, in my honest opinion.
I found a thread that will allow me to remind you of the following:
CHARLIE DEANE IS A CLOWN!
“I make policy and personnel decisions based on the possible outcome a situation may have on newspaper headlines and public perception.”
This statement was made in the presence of Fire Marshal Mike Hadden. If you think this man really cares about your public safety, let me tell you another gem from the puzzle palace.
A Burglary was solved and it was discovered the suspect went into the same home on several different occasions, and stole a few items during each entry. Charlie Deane had the public relations brainstorm that he could raise the percentage of cleared cases for break-ins if he had the detective handling the case write a separate report (14 if my memory is correct) for each break-in. Maybe doesn’t sound like much, but at the time the investigator was handling 33 other separate burglary cases. The time spent documenting 13 “shadow crimes” left these other cases on hold. Not Charlie’s problem….why would he care. It’s not about solving crime………it’s the perception that crime is being solved that keeps this idiot in charge.
Was Kaine in the Peace Corps? There was a time when that work would prevent you from having a security clearance. Does anyone know if that is still the case?
Fair & Balanced (aka day late & dollar short) - j/k - this has been covered so many times before on this blog. In a nutshell, if the anchor babies are minors, the parents should by all means take their progeny with them. No one is stopping them.
How come Gov. Kaine won’t touch immigration because as he says, it is a “Federal issue” yet he is forcing his green environmental issues which are also a “Federal issue” because in his own words the “federal government has dropped the ball”? Funny how he has it both ways when it suits him. He talks out both sides of his mouth.
Fair and Balanced said on 13 Nov 2007 at 12:29 am:
I mean seriously, do we kick out families whose kids may American citizens?
YES, IF THE PARENTS ARE ILLEGAL. NO IF, ANDS OR BUTS!
legal2 - “There was a time when Peace Corps work would prevent you from having a security clearance”! I have never heard such a thing. Does being a senator require security clearance? Senator Dodd was in the PC and I’m sure several others in Congress were too. My son-in-law was in the PC in Senegal and has since held several jobs in the State Dept’s AID group in many different countries. At present, he’s in Afghanistan as an agricultural expert. Peace Corps experience, IMO, is an asset to anyone. Does legal2 consider it a security problem? If so, how so?
It will be very valuable to focus on the statistics of the illegal aliens who are in the criminal system as well as reports of those that are released back into the public.
Attach these statistics with a discussion of the increase in gang violence in northern Virginia.
The most disturbing issue for me at the BOS meeting last month was when one citizen asked for a definition of MS as in MS-13. The voice from the audience provided the definition. The tone of voice from this audience member was not one of shame but pride in the organization. Even more troubling was that this individual was wearing one of the t-shirts with SECURITY printed on the back.
This is very scary to me that there were private persons assuming a “policing” role. Even more scary was that there people would speak with pride of a notoriously violent criminal organization.
The general population must be informed about this phenomena.
As far as splitting up families when illegal aliens are deported yet citizen children may stay behind, that is the family decision as to be separated and an assumption of the risk. If the children are no longer minors and are self-supporting then the decision to stay in the US is their own, and certainly as US citizens they would be free to exit and enter the US according to the various tourist visas, etc that apply. This may be an economic hardship, but there is no constitutional guarantee of the right to association with illegal aliens without consequences, even if they are family members. These people have managed to illegal evade detection for at least 18 years. They do not deserve additional rewards of staying in the US. However, as to minor children, that is also the assumption of the risk in having anchor babies to illegal parents. These parents should provide for the support and well-being of their minor children who may be anchor babies, and should take their children with them.
Fair and Balanced, I have not seen anyone specify Latinos in their responses. I have seen ILLEGAL immigrants. I am careful to use ILLEGAL immigrant when I speak of this because Latinos do NOT have the market cornered on ILLEGAL immigrant status. I speak for ALL illegal immigrants. If the Latinos decide that the discussion is about them, well the old saying comes to mind, if the shoe fits, wear it!!!
I challenge you to paste in the responses that specify Latinos as the illegal immigrants we are speaking of.
Please include the ENTIRE post.
As far as the anchor babies, the parents decided to try to circumvent the law. They are here illegally and they, along with the family if they choose, should go back to the country they came from!!!
I am personally tired of the illegal immigrants demanding rights they do not have just because they were lucky enough to by pass the US Border Patrol.
Anon, to kick out a child who may be a citizen just because the parents may be undocumented is unconstitutional.
I agree that those who are here illegally must be penalized or deported, but to break up a family just to pacify those who want the undocumented out is not really viable. I don’t know if there are a good portion of judges who’ll go through with what some some people want.
The United States allowed the illegal immigrants to come through with open arms, thus solving the problem is a lot more difficult than just deporting people for the sake of doing so.
Judy T., I know a lot about the MS-13 from doing volunteer work when I lived in California. They are indeed a public menace, and should be taken out. The problem is so complicated with the gangs, I don’t know where to begin. It begins with the lack of family support, values, their peers, and I can go and on and on.
Granted, not all kids are in a gang, but it’s a public health & safety issue that beings down the quality of life in a community. I don’t know if this is solely and illegal immigrant issue here, rather than a family/socio-economic issue, but whatever law enforcement can do to stop the problem needs to be done.
I am not trying to be a supporter of illegal immigration, but the problems with this issue are so complicated that there are no simple answers.
Seeing a lot of this issue from living out West, there’s no easy answer.
/\/\3|)ic 64 - you personally may not have done so, but it seems that most people have painted the whole immigration debate on part of those who are Latino and the encroachment of that particular group in the community.
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An Example post:
‘As I read (and agree with most) the comments posted, I am concerned that we’re “not seeing the forest for the trees.”
Many of us are concerned about the formation of a Latino subculture, Latinos not learning English, the effect of NCLB on our schools and children, competition with those who are here illegally, and the negative effect of a different (Latino) culture upon local communities. Yes, those are real issues.
However, those issues are “the trees,” while there is a threatening “forest” — the quiet, behind the scenes formation of a “North American Union” that we know so little about and when finally implemented, will make all these “issues” moot.
Google “North American Union” — if that doesn’t scare your socks off, I don’t know what will.’
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About the anchor babies, it may be easier said than done to get rid of them…
Krusty - great quote and soo true of a lot of our Heroes - put in places they did not expect to be in.
As a vet myself, I hope all had a wonderful Veteran’s Day and honored a vet in some small way. I watched a DVD on WWI and the boys and I watched “The Longest Day.”
Speaking of John Wayne (”The Longest Day”), I found this site and I think it about says it all: http://sagebrushpatriot.com/america.htm
God Bless America!!!!
John Light - Thanks! Yes, I try to take part in Veterans Day celebrations every year. Being a teenager in Europe during WWII, I know what this country did for us. I’m forever thankful to the Americans and the Brits (RAF).
This year on Veterans Day, “60 Minutes” happened to have a program about homeless veterans. I don’t know how true, but it’s estimated that 1/4 of all homeless are Veterans, most of them fr the Vietnam war. However, now many come back from Iraq and find it hard to get jobs and a place of their own.
“The United States allowed the illegal immigrants to come through with open arms, thus solving the problem is a lot more difficult than just deporting people for the sake of doing so.” - WRONG! Our laws are not changed, and we still employ border guards. The illegals are breaking our laws to come here - the feds just haven’t gotten their act together everywhere which is why localities are.
Welcome back Good Time Charlie.
Always, like your postings. Does this mean will be seeing more? I sure hope so.
Veterans who can’t find a job can blame it on the Illegal Aliens and those who allowed them to come in this country and remain here.
O’Toole:
Your absolutely right, Katie. The borders are clearly marked. The Wetbacks, Fence Jumpers and Stowaways knew what they were doing. Apologists like Fair and Balanced can kiss my Fair and Balanced backside.
Advocator - Your statement is waaaaaaaaay off and without basis. Remove blinders, please!
That was with regard to your 10:30 blogg. They can’t get jobs because they don’t have a firm address and, fr what I heard on the program, they can’t rent an apt without having a job. One big thing missing in this area, is “affordable” housing. NIMBY feelings run high in that respect, and I understand that. It is a problem that’s not being faced or acted on.
Advocator,
I would urge using the term illegal immigrant because the terms you used are racial slurs for a particular group of people. We need to make sure that this is not about race, but about legal status.
BTW, the Latinos do not have a corner market on the illegal status.
Anon,
I do not see America welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms. I see a group of people that have found a way to beat a system that needs reinforcing. Just because you can cross the border or over stay your visa does NOT mean you are welcome. America welcomes those who enter LEGALLY with open arms, but not those who do not!!!
Krusty,
Thanks for the reminder of John F. Kennedy’s quote. Sometimes the best quotes are the shortest.
Legal2,
If memory serves me correctly, Tim Kaine volunteered with Catholic Missionaries. I don’t ever recall hearing anything about the Peace Corp.
Things do get lost in translation - another problem communicating - http://www.glennbeck.com/home/index.shtml
scroll down to the picture of the week, the cake.
“Advocator, I would urge using the term illegal immigrant because the terms you used are racial slurs for a particular group of people. We need to make sure that this is not about race, but about legal status. ”
Well, clearly the guy is a racist and you are only giving him lessons on how to cover it up. Just like advocator learned over time to say black instead of n-word…but he still means n-word.
“Anon,
I do not see America welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms. I see a group of people that have found a way to beat a system that needs reinforcing.”
Excuse me!!! You must be a drooling idiot. We could easily shut down the border but the AMERICAN govt doesn’t want to. They want these people to be here…and yes they want them here illegally so they can be taken advantage of by businesses.
whoa, were you calling me a drooling idiot or anon? Honestly, if you have to refer to name calling it shows a lack of self control and maturity on your part.
Whoa, et al: The terms I used are racially neutral. Anyone who wades across a river, climbs a fence, or stows away in a method of transportation in order to illegally cross our borders deserves to be called by a name indicating his/her method of invading our sovereignty, regardless of their country of origin. Calling these people “immigrants” denigrates my heritage.
whoa’s “drooling idiot” should be censored. Unfitting for civilized debate IMO. Just shows your lack of vocabulary. It diminishes you tremendously.
Advocator,
American Heritage Dictionary
wet·back (wět’bāk’)
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a Mexican, especially a laborer who crosses the U.S. border illegally.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wetback
As I said, no need to get into name calling.
/\/\3|)ic 64 said on 13 Nov 2007 at 3:55 pm:
Call them Illegal Invaders then! Calling them “immigrants” is offensive to me.
Advocator,
I understand your point and it is well taken. I am just trying to ensure that our words are not misunderstood. Please remember that most illegals do not have a strong grasp of the English language that you and I do. This is why I am careful to post words to make sure they can be interpreted the way I want them to be. I am not any better at being a words mith than anyone else. I just try to make sure the words I use don’t come back to get me later.
American Heritage Dictionary
im·mi·grant (ĭm’ĭ-grənt)
n.
1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
2. A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.
American Heritage Dictionary
in·vade (ĭn-vād’)
v. in·vad·ed, in·vad·ing, in·vades
v. tr.
1. To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
2. To encroach or intrude on; violate: “The principal of the trusts could not be invaded without trustee approval” (Barbara Goldsmith).
3. To overrun as if by invading; infest: “About 1917 the shipworm invaded the harbor of San Francisco” (Rachel Carson).
4. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.
I am on your side when it comes to the illegal people entering the country. I too want to take back our country!!!
I am just trying to be careful not to add the racists fuel they seek here. Again, I am not holier than thou (c:
Advocator, please. Anyone with half a brain knows what you are trying to say and yes, it is racist.
You are going for the lowest common denominator in order to make your point.
Krusty said on 13 Nov 2007 at 8:39 am:
Peace Corps experience, IMO, is an asset to anyone.
That is a matter of opinion. I have spent time in a number of countries where there was a presence of “Peace Creeps” dating back to 1962. While some were dedicated individuals, there were many who caused problems in country. Especially gauling was the fact that most of them never used soap and water (and it was not due to it not being available.) They used to come into the Embassy lunch room during their time off and you couldn’t stand to sit near them. For a lot of them, it was a paid vacation. Shorts and sandels was the uniform of the day.
There are some in every lot, right? I don’t see how not washing would make it impossible for you to get security clearance at a later date. But then, what do I know?
The legal term is “Illegal Alien”, per the lawbooks. Not illegal immigrant, as immigration is a defined legal process an illegal alien eschews to take up residence in this country unlawfully. There’s no need to give them any other name than that.
Heed the Medic’s advice, for his is the sage wisdom of the sailor.
Govenor Kaine better act or he’ll pay. This is why now I’m an “Lou Dobbs Independent”!
8% is not enough. Only 100% is sufficient which would include the kids of illegals too!
I shall change my terminology to Illegal Alien as I too remember this after RS placed in front of me.
I am not the all knowing RS, just trying to be smart about how I address things. I do not want to give them any more fuel for their fire as it is. It isn’t about Hispanics, it is about Illegal Aliens of ALL types.
BTW RS, I was a HM in the Navy and a Paramedic / Firefighter after I got out.
Big Dog,
I didn’t see a response to my post about a group of Americans, I suppose it was OK and you agree with it.
I will continue to say illegal immigrant. Many people are offended by the term ‘alien,’ rightly or wrongly. They associate it with outer space beings. If you deal or have dealt with a large immigrant population, it just makes things easier if you don’t deliberately offend them, even if their reasoning is way off base. So for me, it is a choice.
http://wral.com/news/local/story/2049661/
Why should we care if an illegal alien is offended by the word alien, thats what they are, alien to American society and illegally here. F & B, you always chastise people to don’t be racist, well, any one individual has the right to dislike another or group, its the American institutions that are banned from having racist or discriminating policies.