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The Circus Is Coming To Town
By Greg L | 16 November 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 136 Comments
The DC Examiner confirms today that the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is indeed coming to town next month, as I reported earlier, and Corey Stewart has started blasting away at the sheer inanity of this whole exercise:
An upcoming state review of Prince William County’s illegal-immigrant crackdown is generating heat well before it begins, with County Chairman Corey Stewart’s charge that its leader should be disqualified over accusations she once hired an illegal immigrant.
Linda Chavez, whose nomination to serve in President Bush’s Cabinet in 2001 failed when reports surfaced she had employed an illegal immigrant, now chairs the Virginia State Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
So let’s see, we’ve had the PWC Commission on Human Rights investigate, the Mexican government tried to come and investigate, and now the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is coming to town, all before Prince William County’s new policies in regards to illegal aliens actually move into an implementation phase. These hearings would take five minutes if they only started with “what has changed so far”, which would require an answer of “nothing”.
The only thing missing in the mix is the United Nations. I wonder when they’re going to show up.
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I suspect before we are through, the UN, International Red Cross, Red Cresent, and Ex-President Jimmy Carter will all find their way to PWC. Too bad we can’t demolish the bridges over the Occoquan and Bull Run, cut a tank-trap across Rt. 15, and generally tell these commie-kook lefties where to go.
Maybe not a circus, but easily an ice-show. Illegal-lovers on Ice!
Everybody relax. The US Civil Rights Commission now has a majority of Bush-appointed members, and has a dramatically different approach then when the Clintons ruled. Let them come to town; we should have nothing to fear from them. All we want is the law enforced, right?
Linda Chavez, you should have used e-Verify!
Linda Chavez lost her conservative credentials when she started to contradict those that want this illegal alien mess cleared up NOW, starting with a fence. If the U.S. Govbernment doesn’t know how to build an effective barrier, call Isreal.
I generally agree with CONVA that Linda Chavez is probably more sympathetic to the tragic plight of the poor undocumented worker than your average American seeking the enforcement-first approach to immigration controls.
However, Snoop is probably also correct that they won’t have a huge effect on the way we have decided to do business. Let them come, but be aware of their intentions, and that’s the best we can do.
I’ve never liked Linda Chavez (or people like her that take in illegal aleins and then convince themselves they’re being big-hearted rather than exploiting cheap labor). I find it hilarious that she wants to revisit the sham that was her nomination withdrawal. I look forward to the upcoming circus.
As long as my tax money isn’t being used. If they come here then they had better be prepared to get a bill from the city for the resources that they use.
I just got off the phone with the US Commission on Civil Rights and spoke with an Analyst named “A. Greene”. She was very helpful with information.
Apparently it is not the actual USCCR that is coming, but the “Virginia State Advisory Committee” is coming. This sub-committee of the USCCR is composed of volunteers who monitior things like this.
Ms. Greene stated that if anyone wished to express displeasure with the subcommittee holding a forum, please send her an e-mail and she will place it in the packet that is being compiled of remarks regarding the hearing and being forwarded to the members of the subcommittee.
I suggested that the because the USCCR was a federal agency, that if they fixed the federal problem with illegals we would not have to do anything on the local level and Ms. Chavez and her group could stay home.
Please send your e-mails and your opinion to “Agreene@USCCR.GOV”
She just did chores for me, while I put her up in house. Yeah right. “Chores” you call it. And Eddie Murphy picked up the hooker years ago because he just wanted to give a pretty transvestite a ride. Give me a freaking break Ms. Chavez. You would have been better off sticking in your civilized psuedo-discourse on those genteel TV shows you mouth platitudes on. You come down here to PWC you might get an earful about yourself and the way you conduct yourself, and your right (or lack thereof) to tell other people how to live.
Here are Chavez’s feelings about illegal aliens:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2007/05/25/latino_fear_and_loathing
She did come back after receiving “considerable anger and recriminations among my fellow conservatives” and admitted she went over the line a little.
Wanted, someone to do chores. Will provide food and board, in exchange for 10 hours a day of chores, including watching my kids, changing diapers, cooking meals, shopping, and taking out the trash. Also on the lookout for someone to do chores in my lawn in exchange for a small honorarium. Please contact L. Chevez. Battered or abused women preferred (because I am a good person). Inability to speak English or testify before Congress a plus.
Also, need someone to do chores at a restaurant I own, including chores like cooking and waiting tables. Again, please contact L. Chavez.
I have an image now of stopping at the 7-11 to get a coffee and being bombared by about 50 Hispanics trying to communicate in English, “Chores? Chores? You need any chores, mister?”.
“Chores” is a great way to soften a description of illegal employment though. Great linguistic touch.
Next time my wife doesn’t want to have relations with me, I’m going to refer to various acts of intimacy as “chores”. Also, if I ever get caught with a hooker (not that it’s on my agenda), I’m going to tell the arresting officer I jsut wanted her to do some chores. Maybe if I babble some Spanish and give it the old no habla espanol, it’ll fly. “Oh, it’s okay, Jones. he just wanted her to do some chores”.
50 illegal aliens I meant to say, no disrespect actually intended for legal immigrant Hispanics.
Except hypocritical pompous a-holes like Linda Chavez.
Hey Rick, Don’t hold back…tell us how you really feel about Linda Chavez!
Rick, your point came across loud and clear. Sure, you only meant your insults to be directed at “illegal hispanics” who don’t speak English, not those legal hispanics who are also not profficent in English. Your prejudice is transparent.
Rick, you might want to amend your advertisement to say that any “Gringo Papers”, while welcome, are wholly optional.
I’m saving my best for when she actually deigns to set foot here. Of course maybe I have her all wrong. Maybe she has America’s best interests at heart.
Maybe she’s going to stand in the middle of Town Square and tell us all “These people do a GREAT job landscaping and in janitorial services, and you don’t even need to give them any benefits! Come on PWC, get on board! A cheap nanny is hard to find! Let them work for you for a while, then just give them a one-way ticket back to Guatamala - they’ll THANK you for it! And you can write it off on your taxes - call it “emergency assistance”! There’s a euphomism for everything!”
“I may be a gay-basher masquerading as a voice of reason” (her 1984 campaign against Barbara Mikulski) “and I may embezzle money from fake charities I set up” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chavez) “and ironically, I’m a Republican who personally profiteers from phony race-based charities. Sometimes I don’t feel good about myself when I wake up in the morning and look around my expensive house bought with money stolen and squeezed from civil rights and other organizations under false pretenses. What I call the family business. But then I go down to the kitchen and look at my live-in maid who I’ll send back to Guatamala in a year, who works for table scraps and thanks me all teh while, and I know I really am somebody! I’m Linda Chavez, and I’m here to tell the rest of you how to live!”
This is funny, at least to me. In 2000 she was on a TV show arguing against gun control, and said something about what if someone tries to rape me. Her female co-host asserted that Chevez at her age had a gterater chance of being hit by lightning than being raped. Chavez went on to quit the show over this incident. Just like she’ll probably quit this little Don Quixote exercise when some public scrutiny starts.
Linda’s definitely qualified to talk to us about living in an area experiencing massive influx. After all, she lives in Purcellville, Virginia. From wikipedia :
As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 3,584 people, 1,253 households, and 956 families residing in the town. The population density was 583.9/km² (1,512.2/mi²). There were 1,292 housing units at an average density of 210.5/km² (545.1/mi²). The racial makeup of the town was 88.92% White, 7.45% African American, 0.08% Native American, 0.84% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.78% from other races, and 1.90% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.29% of the population.
And for anyone who didn’t click on the wikipedia link, please don’t miss this little nugget :
In August 2007, the Washington Post reported that Chavez and her immediate family members, through political action committees they had created, such as the Republican Issues Committee, the Latino Alliance, Stop Union Political Abuse, and the Pro-Life Campaign Committee, had raised tens of millions of dollars, with little going to political candidates. In 2001, the PACs paid Chavez’s husband $77,190, her son Pablo $25,344, and her son David $9,687. In the next five years, the PACs paid Chavez’s family members $261,237. In contrast, of the $24.5 million raised by the PACs from January 2003 to December 2006, only $242,000 was actually given to politicians. In an interview, Chavez said that “I guess you could call it the family business.”[9]
The Washington Post story is here - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081201371_pf.html
Linda is trying to justify her own exploitation of charity money by strolling over here and lecturing us about tolerance and xenophobia …
Snoop,
Why would you think that anyone Bush appointed would make ME relax?
Shudder!
Rick,
She just sounds like a crook to me. This makes me think that perhaps Martha Stewart should have been the ethics poster child and Linda Chavez should have gone to prison.
Rick - You want to picket the meeting?
I believe Help Save Manassas should picket the meeting, yes.
I agree that more than two people should picket, otherwise, as Arlo Guthrie said about two people walking in and singing a chorus of Alice’s Restaurant …, but I haven’t heard much lately about upcoming events or meetings of HSM.
If you want to curb illegal immigration, don’t send a lawyer who represents illegal immigrants in deportation hearings to the legislature.
How many of those who are attacking Linda Chavez for hiring an illegal also attacked Corey Stewart’s fair-haired boy Faisal Gill for representing illegal immigrants in deportation hearings?
Perhaps Corey “I Put Faisal Gill On The Ballot” Stewart could explain what he was thinking when he put the named, managing partner of the Gill and Gallinger illegal immigration law firm on the ballot.
And if Stewart is against illegal immigration but makes exceptions for his illegal-immigration-attorney-friends then how reliable is he?
Advocator-The “big boycott” has been over for quite sometime now. Here’s an event you might like.
I think “Hooters” is done with renovations and open again.
Jonathan Mark:
I don’t quite understand where you’re coming from with your 3:47 post. Maybe with a series of questions I can discern your position:
1) Is it your position that anyone accused of being in the US illegally is not entitled to legal representation in a duly-constituted hearing to assess the validity of that accusation?
2) If the answer to question No. 1 is in the negative, and you believe they are entitled to representation in such a hearing, is it your position that anyone who does represent them is an aider and abettor of illegal aliens?
3) If the answer to question No. 2 is in the negative, and you do not believe that anyone who represents people in a depotation hearing automatically is an aider and abettor of illegal aliens, isn’t it possible for a person to make his living representing such people, and still be in favor of enforcing the borders and enforcing existing immigration laws?
Is this “circus” going to be open to the public? Where are they going and just what are they trying to accomplish?
Linda Chavez is a zombie and “illegal alien pimp” (as in poverty pimp). She better make full disclosure if she comes down to PWC. She has a conflict of interest and should recuse herself.
Rick Bentley and monticup - Stop foaming at the mouth and follow the advise of “firstbelegal” at 12:55!
Linda is an opportunist of the nth degree, having used her Latino last name to get into positions for which she is not in any way qualified. You can rant and rave here as much as you want. It’s not going to change anything. Go to the horse’s mouth rather than the other end, and deal with the authority (USCCR) that really counts.
Not ranting and raving and foaming at the mouth would certainly ruin all the fun of coming here, now wouldn’t it? Come on Krusty, don’t wiz on our parade. I have always thought Linda Chavez is contemptible having nothing to do with this issue.
If she comes to PWC, Chavez better bring the entire union army. I’ve got a feeling the Robert E. Sturrip, Stonewall Letieq and Corey “Jeb” Stewart have a surprise waiting for her….
To Arms! Third Manassas Calls!
Krusty: You have demonstrated that you can actually make sense when you want to. Good job!
firstbelegal said on 16 Nov 2007 at 12:55 pm:
“Apparently it is not the actual USCCR that is coming, but the “Virginia State Advisory Committee” is coming. This sub-committee of the USCCR is composed of volunteers who monitior things like this.”
Hmmm… I’m curious who the “volunteers who monitior things like this” are. That could easily be “volunteers from groups against the BOCS resolution”.
Krusty: “Linda is an opportunist of the nth degree, having used her Latino last name to get into positions for which she is not in any way qualified. You can rant and rave here as much as you want. It’s not going to change anything. Go to the horse’s mouth rather than the other end, and deal with the authority (USCCR) that really counts.”
I’m speechless!
>>>>Jonathan Mark:
I don’t quite understand where you’re coming from with your 3:47 post. Maybe with a series of questions I can discern your position:
1) Is it your position that anyone accused of being in the US illegally is not entitled to legal representation in a duly-constituted hearing to assess the validity of that accusation?
The BVBL server ate most of my last post like Grendl noshing on a Geatish sailor. I will try again.
(1) Deportation hearings are civil matters. There is no right to an attorney in a deportation hearing. A felony conviction is invalid if the defendant did not first waive his right to an attorney. But a deportation order, on the other hand, is COMPLETELY valid if the deportee did not have an attorney. Indeed, many deportees do not have attorneys at their hearings.
(2) Because there is NO requirement for an illegal immigrant in a deportation hearing to have an attorney, those who nonetheless represent illegal immigrants in deportation hearings are doing so because THEY want to, not because someone has to. NO ONE has to.
(3) If the attorney for the deportee in fact believes in deporting all illegal immigrants, but argues that the rule shoyld not be applied to his illegal immigrant client this time, then the attorney for the illegal immigrant is doing something which he does not believe in for money. Welcome to the real world.
The purpose of Gill and Gallinger’s representation of illegal immigrants in deportation hearings was to help those illegal immigrants avoid deportation. It had no other purpose.
Jonathan Mark:
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Dolph 6:35 - If Linda Chavez’ being comtemptible has nothing to do with this issue, why is so much space devoted to just that subject? I think it’s important because she’s in a position for which she’s not qualified and, I believe, for her own agrandizement, but then again, a lot of people muscle themselves onto boards and task forces who have no business being there.
Sad to say, many good and able people prefer NOT to take part, because of the abuse they MIGHT get, whether deserved or not. I think Dolph would be good in such a position because she seems to weigh things before commenting and doesn’t “foam at the mouth”. Just see how gently she chastised me!
I left out the phrase “pro se.”
I meant that a felony conviction is invalid if a pro se defendant did not waive his right to an attorney, whereas a deportation order against a deportee who had no attorney is completely, absolutely valid.
“”"Jonathan Mark:
Bad link to your nick… 502 bad gateway response..”"”
Thanks. I was working on the servers earlier tonight. I will monitor the situation.
es-la-ley - What’s that “goodbyecorey.com Port 80″ at the end of you post? Were you saying goodby to Corey Stewart, you rascal?
Krusty -
“Were you saying goodby to Corey Stewart, you rascal?”
Not unless Corey Stewart speaks in the language the TCP protocol.
Oh, that was Jonathan Mark’s post. Sorry! I looked up the “goodbyecorey.com” blog. Interesting!
Krusty, I didn’t even mean to chastise you. I was just being…ohh I don’t even know….saying it was fun sometimes to rant and rave.
Actually I have always disliked Linda Chavez for many reasons. I basically think she is an opportunistic hypocrit. But I am sure this latest exposure won’t endear her to me so she just will keep stacking up points why I don’t like her.
Krusty:
“es-la-ley - What’s that “goodbyecorey.com Port 80″ at the end of you post? Were you saying goodby to Corey Stewart, you rascal?”
I was telling Mr. Mark that there was a problem with his link, and posted the result of the bad link.
Try THINKING before ACCUSING.
And Krusty, I was multi-tasking and forgot to say thank you.
~~~~Dolph~~~~~
Sorry /\/\3|)ic, I can’t do the fancy Dolph thing on the laptop. But thanks for doing it for me.
Dolph - I got you right the first time. I just like to use the word “chastise”. I took it in the same spirit as you wrote it. I’m beginning to think that we might have something in common. Good night!
es-la-ley - Does “were you saying goodbye to Corey Stewart, you rascal?” sound like an accusation? Je n’ accuse pas.
I love Manassas, and understand the instinct to use a phrase like “Help Save Manassas.”
The problem is that the rest of the World, by virtue of that signature phrase, now perceives Manassas as a lost place.
$10 million dollars in advertising could not undo the unfortunate and imprudent choice of this phrase, which has come to define Manassas more than any other.
The cause of HSM is admirable, and the motivation of its members is good. But, practically, HSM has branded Manassas as a terrible place to the rest of the World.
The jokes one hears in the workplace about Manassas are deafening in their consistent mocking and patronizing tone…. mainly because of the dark and negative and persistent and loud publicity of HSM.
I ask you, honestly, in your heart of hearts, if you were a company or a corporate relocation adviser Googling “Manassas” what would you discover?
You would discover something ugly and disturbing (try it yourself, please, by GOOGLING Manassas… BVBL has branded Manassas more effectively than any PR firm could do with a budget of $20 million dollars).
I hope, as a first step toward reversing the terrible damage that HSM has done to our community, that the organization would consider a change of name. Manassas is not the hell hole that HSM projects to the World…. it is a great place, that has some challenges.
How about “Advance Manassas” or some other positive phrase that more accurately describes our aspirations?
Manassas has never scored lower in the opinion of the rest of the World than it does today.
One must ask, to whom do we owe our reputation as a terrible place, a cursed haven for angry white poor people
The answer, without doubt, is BVBL and HSM, who have redefined our warm and welcoming community as a cursed hell hole.
I mean, honestly….. If you were a person trying to decide whether or not you would relocate to Manassas or to PWC, and you were to discover BVBL or HSM, would you want to come here????
Dig deep, and think hard. What has BVBL really accompished>
I used to have two houses full of illegals making noise on my block, music thumping through the walls. They’re gone now. My life’s better. My family lives in a less congested, safer town and neighborhood. HSM helped with that.
Love Manassas-
If you truly believe that Manassas’ reputation is solely that of a haven for angry poor white people, I submit that your love for Manassas probably doesn’t run as deep as you testify. And if the atmosphere in your workplace is as choked with dark patronizing humor at Manassas’ expense, your professed love for our town should compel you to stand up for it against such unfair characterizations and correct the record.
And exactly how would changing the moniker of HSM to “Advance Manassas” change the perception by our opponents and those who listen to them that we are purely owned by racist motivation? The renewed charges they persistently levy would become something equally ludicrous as their current proclamations, akin to “Advancing Manassas to them means the forcible expulsion of all brown people”. It’s borderline ridiculous to assert that HSM should change it name and message because it accurately illustrates the gravity of the environment.
You say the cause of HSM and the motivation of its members is admirable, but the message it sends blackens our image to the World. I personally doubt the World as a whole cares about how Manassas carries on. However, how precisely can we pursue our noble cause and fulfill the motivation of our membership unless we portray the situation accurately, and coordinate action to remedy the phantom enforcement the federal government has saddled us with? We can’t.
Your final point is an interesting one. Would I decide to move to PWC or Manassas if I discovered HSM and BVBL? No, I would not. But I would decline the choice to move here not because of the way the situation in communicated, but for the fact the problem exists here at all. Would you move to a locality that had an obvious problem but framed it in rose-colored perception?
What has BVBL really accomplished? BVBL has informed us, and propagated awareness through the citizenry that holding elected officials accountable through community action is possible. Moreover, it has countered distortions and falsities perpetrated in the local media regarding our position, the motivations of our elected officials, and the seriousness of the situation we are trying to combat. You don’t have to agree with GregL (BVBL Proprietor) wholesale - I certainly don’t - but his message and subsequent action with HSM has yielded impressive success in a relatively short period regarding the state of events vis a vis immigration enforcement.
Good morning Rick Bentley. Any luck finding that chore volunteer yet?
OK. This is good. Take a look at this article where the author rails against Prince William’s resolution and other efforts to crackdown on illegal immigration:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2007/11/09/immigrant_issue_cant_save_republicans?page=full&comments=true.
And who is the author? None other than Linda Chavez! How can she portend to be an objective judge of Prince William’s actions when she has already written against it? She has an agenda and should be disqualified.
I Love Manassas,
The illegal aliens and those who harbor them have made Manassas a hell hole. Since this county is actively doing something about the situation, Manassas and Prince William County will be an attractive place to live. Who would want to live in areas that proclaim themselves as santuaries for illegals such as Arlington, Alexandria or Montgomery Co. MD?
Sorry, my typing skills do lack, santuaries should be sanctuaries
Rob Smalls,
Both you and I Love Manassas have some valid points.
Some housing code violations probably wouldn’t have been addressed as quickly (which is a debatable word) if members had not become politically involved. I don’t know how long individuals from WestGate brought their problems before the BOCS prior to the push for the resolution, if at all. In my opinion this political activism should have concentrated on the neighborhood improvement aspect of the problem without the anti-Hispanic overtones. (I think the economic slowdown, particularly in the housing market, took care of some of the overcrowding.)
But I Love Manassas is correct when he or she says that Manassas (and PWC) has been given a black eye by the brouhaha of the last few months. For decades we’ve (I’m including PWC) been known as the hick relative, the bedroom community, home of the cheap starter home. I know professionals who have excluded “Manassas” from their business cards because of this reputation even though they work from this location. With the advent of the the Pavillion, the Candy Factory, George Mason, a few decent non-chain restaurants, First Friday,and more upscale shops, they had reconsidered and put their Manassas addresses on their business cards. I’ll bet that in the last few months a lot of paper has zipped through their printers as Manassas is struck off once more.
I’m aware that many people think the above “improvements” are meaningless when they’re fighting for a little peace and quiet in their neighborhoods, but a large segment of Manassas and PWC doesn’t experience those problems but has been sullied by the battle.
Rob Smalls, I have no storm door. Is there another signal? Can I stick a pink flamingo in my flowerpot?
Patty,
“Who would want to live in areas that proclaim themselves as santuaries for illegals such as Arlington, Alexandria or Montgomery Co. MD?”
I would. If I wanted to scrimp for a higher mortgage payment at this stage of my life, I’d gladly live closer to museums, good restaurants,universities, parks, shops, a diverse educated population, etc.
This is even better! Here, Linda Chavez accuses all of us who oppose illegal immigration, including Lou Dobbs, as being racists:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2007/05/25/latino_fear_and_loathing
anonymoustoo,
There are many in West Gate that were calling zoning, police, and contacted their Supervisor way before the resolution. Don’t think for one minute that good people of West Gate were in contact with the county. I personally have been calling when problems arise for decades now.
Have you drove through any neighbors besides you own, and seen what’s going on? West Gate is not the only neighborhood with these problems. Check out this other places countywide!
Dale City, Marumso Hills, Marumsco Woods, Marumsco Acres, Irongate, Georgetown South, Point of Woods, Bristoe Station, Loch Lomond, and Manassas Park. I suggest you take a “field trip” to any of these places. Also, have you looked at those pictures? Tell me, wouldn’t you be vocal and active? I’m both of these things, and I will continue to be. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
FYI-Three open storm doors, and that’s improved from the usually six doors that were open prior to the resolution.
http://community.webshots.com/user/Lafayette13
One last thing the pictures at the 7-11 were taken at Josh’s favorite at Rt 1 and the Parkway.
anonymoustoo,
Oh, I forgot to name this invaded neighborhood “mid-county”,
drive through Bradley Forest. Bradley Forest has a couple of problems worse than we have here in WestGate. I’m sure someone from that area could verify this fact. I don’t have pictures of that neighborhood. I only have video of it.
Without the resolution, this invasion would be landing on YOUR doorstep very soon. So, you might want to Thank the Honorable John Stirrup for introducing the resolution. It will help keep you sheltered, and blind to the rest of the county.
Lafayette, I haven’t visited the Woodbridge neighborhoods since I lived in Lake Ridge more than twenty-five years ago but I know what they were like. I’ve visited every other neighborhood you’ve listed. Most have not been in such hot shape since I’ve lived here. Bradley Forest looks better in some ways and worse in others.
I’ve seen problems like those you’ve pictured in my neighborhood or nearby neighborhoods and called the appropriate county agencies. The problems were NOT caused by Hispanics but by whites. So…I say, “address the problem, not the ethnicity of the troublemaker”. And for that reason, I’d say the Stirrup resolution was an ill-conceived, poorly thought-out, screw-up.
anonymoustoo -
I appreciate your candor but I respectfully disagree with your opinion. For those who say PWC and Manassas have been dealt a “black eye”, just whom is making that assertion? Is it the media, who are just as complicit in ignoring the problems of immigration enforcement as the federal government? Other officials of sanctuary localities, who highly prize “diversity”, despite a diversity benchmark calculated solely by the variety of differing levels of melanin in its populace?
If such a cloud is hanging over the reputation of PWC, why don’t conscientious citizens who also feel strongly regarding immigration enforcement mobilize to find a more constructive method to deal with the problem? Why not castigate the methods of HSM while proferring their own means to restore both the rule of law and burnish the reputation of the county?
I will submit that people who both want to enforce the laws to reduce the presence of illegal aliens while simultaneously making sure everyone feels good about the county while doing so are fast-tracking their efforts to nowhere. There will forever be objectors to enforcing these laws, and their justifications for their position will vary from the plausible to the absurd. We will never placate some, and satisfying others would put the pace of improvement so slow as to negate the effort entirely.
As far as the other signal, you could stick a pink flamingo in the front flower pot, but I think that’s an indicator of a recent Floridian-area transplant, not necessarily a room for rent. (:
Anonymoustoo, they have tried to “address the problem” and now are doing it in a more effective way. If anyne has turned this into an issue of ethnicity it has been the pro illegal community. I personally feel that if they truly want to help their people they should stop promoting their victimization and find a way to empower them with dignity. (perhaps w/education and providing accurate news)
anonymoustoo,
I would respectfully say the problems are cause by all citizens. This is not just limited to Hispanics. Oh, I do call on ALL violations. I don’t care what their last names is. Please, don’t bring race into this. ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.
corr
last names ARE.
*I hate mornings*
The Patriot sure has his work cut out for him. I haven’t posted this much material ever.
Back to patrol!
Rob Smalls,
Unfortunately, I think the proper way of addressing these problems (immigration or neighborhood deterioration) slipped by in the haste to address the former. I think a series of public hearings about the two subjects prior to rushing to enact a resolution would have been better for the community. In the beginning PWC should have had the data about the cost to the county for services provided, a list of services that could or couldn’t be denied…in other words, the info that they dug up after the fact. It appears that no one who was pushing for this resolution saw where it would obviously lead…to division. And that division is not only along the lines of legal/illegal, white/Hispanic, conservative/liberal, Republican/Democrat,but includes economic divisions among residents as well.
I think much, if not most, of this crapola could have been avoided or minimized with a little forethought.
I think PWC and Manassas has always been viewed as the ugly step-sister by most of Northern Virginia. It’s an attitude that persisted before I moved here almost thirty years ago. (Falls Church and Fairfax City suffered the same reputation a couple decades ago.)
I don’t think you can say that the MSM has ignored the illegal immigration issue. Lou Dobbs has had a bully pulpit for quite awhile now. I think that most citizens might have supported an amnesty until the large demonstrations in California where the Mexican flag was flown. That was a whopper of a strategical error on the part of the protestors. (HSM has been a bit of a strategical error as well.)
Patriot Temp,
The Patriot is a FULL TIME job, ya know. Keep posting away.
It sounds like The Patriot is on a well deserved break.
Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp said on 17 Nov 2007 at 10:19 am:
The Patriot sure has his work cut out for him. I haven’t posted this much material ever.
Keep up the good work!
Patriot Temp here’s some video of PWC. This story is by SkyFox (Brisitsh).
For those of you in denial, take a look at this video from the Rt area. The “red carpet” has been laid out county wide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUy1jfZH3Ks
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Rt 1/Woodbridge area.
Hey Josh, any of this look familiar?-lol
I Love Mannasas–You’ve got to be kidding. PWC is seen as a model for the whole country.
anonymoustoo said on 17 Nov 2007 at 9:52 am:
I’d say the Stirrup resolution was an ill-conceived, poorly thought-out, screw-up.
You are entitled to your opinion. Time will tell but in my humble opinion, it will work and has already shown results. Wait until the police enforcement portion of the resolution kicks in, in full force. You will see a lot of changes!
Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp said on 17 Nov 2007 at 8:20 am:
Love Manassas-
What we need now is a “HELP SAVE THE USA”.
I Love Mmanassas said on 17 Nov 2007 at 4:27 am:
I love Manassas, and understand the instinct to use a phrase like “Help Save Manassas.”
The problem is that the rest of the World, by virtue of that signature phrase, now perceives Manassas as a lost place.
Does the rest of the world also consider Arizona, Oklahoma, Hazelwood, Pa. and a multitude of other cities that are taking a stand on illegal immigrants as “lost places?” I THINK NOT!
999 said on 17 Nov 2007 at 12:29 pm:
Does the rest of the world also consider Arizona, Oklahoma, Hazelwood, Pa. and a multitude of other cities that are taking a stand on illegal immigrants as “lost places?” I THINK NOT!
You are absolutely right. I think the opposite is/will happen. People will WANT to move here because we’ve taken a stand and they know the resolution is working. They will NOT want to move to Arlington, and towns in MD because they are considered to be the sanctuary cities! The word is out, that PWC is cleaning up the mess - it’s the place that won’t cave to illegals!
When exactly does the police enforcement component kick in?
“Does the rest of the world also consider Arizona, Oklahoma, Hazelwood, Pa. and a multitude of other cities that are taking a stand on illegal immigrants as “lost places?” I THINK NOT!”
Yes, although not for that reason necessarily. Perhaps those places aren’t the best examples of top spots people might want to transfer to.
Sedona, Tempe and Scottsdale AZ would be fine. The other places would be the nearest places to Hell I can think of.
Dolph said on 17 Nov 2007 at 1:32 pm:
When exactly does the police enforcement component kick in?
Sometine after the first of the year from what I understand.
Dolph, police training starts in January and will be completed in February. Enforcement should start March 1st.
999, the training is already scheduled for January/February but enforcement will not being until all officers are through the training which will be at the end of February.
Patty is right. Arlington is fast becoming a ghost town because of its policies toward the illegal population. The only reason I have not seen the masses of moving vans is because almost everyone who is not illegal is leaving at night. The only reason that the County appears to be thriving economically and socially are the lies of the media. The seeming harmony, the recent electoral results, all are fabrications.
Yes, Arlington is another Potemkin village.
Nobody in their right mind would want to live in such a place. Just hold on so I can make sure all my American neighbors know we have no business living next to anyone whose immigration status is questionable.
Anonymous said on 17 Nov 2007 at 2:41 pm:
999, the training is already scheduled for January/February but enforcement will not being until all officers are through the training which will be at the end of February.
Thank you for the update.
Leila said on 17 Nov 2007 at 2:56 pm:
Nobody in their right mind would want to live in such a place.
Well I don’t know about that. There have been some interviews in various newspapers over the months with illegals that moved from Arlington to PWC who said that they “loved Arlington but it was getting too expensive to stay there, therefore their move to PWC. Lately they have been saying they wanted to move back to Arlington but couldn’t because of the cost. They have the option to go back to Mexico where I am sure the cost of living is very cheap and look at all the money they would save by not having to send remittances back to their country. They have some “hard” choices to make.
Hokmer said on 17 Nov 2007 at 9:14 am:
“This is even better! Here, Linda Chavez accuses all of us who oppose illegal immigration, including Lou Dobbs, as being racists:……..”
She spews tripe. Another one who can’t understand the differences between “legal” and “illegal”.
Mexico? Well that would be interesting considering that most of the Spanish-speaking illegal aliens in Northern Virginia are not from Mexico. I doubt if Mexico is even the second country on the list. But I guess the distinction doesn’t interest you.
Arlington already has a very large population of Salvadoran and other Central American people, many of whom are no doubt illegally in the US. It was the assertion of others on BVBL that Arlington would become undesirable because of its sanctuary policies. That is incorrect.
I am not sure what you meant by:
“I don’t know about that.”
since I was clearly being sarcastic when I said that nobody would want to live in Arlington.
Somebody has to oversee ignorance and enforce laws that are provided to protect everyone including the undocumented worker. Thank you.
Leila–OK. …back to Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua and where ever else the illegal aliens are from. It’s amazing how you always manage to miss the point. Is it a ploy to divert attention from the issue or do you really not “get” things?
“Somebody has to oversee ignorance…”
like…. Your own!?
monticup, haven’t you noticed….Leila only shows up when
she decides to antagonize?
Monticup, the fact that so many of you constantly refer to Mexico when talking about illegal aliens in this area is quite telling actually. But the issue I was discussing with someone else was Arlington.
Leila, even the opposition call themselves, “Mexicans” without Borders. They admit by their words and actions that the illegal alien problem is themselves.
GF&Monti - Leila is one of those who has their own ignore button on this blog. It’s time to hit it.
legal2
I keep the IGONORE BUTTON on at all times with some.
Arlington has been very international for years. I think people who object to that kind of environment don’t move there in the first place.
You guys are deluding yourselves if you think any of these criminals are packing up and stealing away in the middle of the night. These folks that live in these sanctuary areas are going nowhere. Manassas Park is thriving with illegals and they are calm as Hindu cows here. The quickest way to get rid of them is to crack down on the employers and to put a 5 year ban on any new residential construction development. The city councilmen all have their hands elbow deep taking bribes from developers though so I don’t see that happening. NO NEW CONSTRUCTION ALLOWED FOR 5 YEARS.
Lafayette, so true…by the way, have you seen “Man on Fire” yet? The true and fairly recent story of corruption in Mexico? Great movie to motivate a patriot to keep the rule of law protected in our country. It becomes evident that “people who just want to do the jobs we don’t”, import these behaviors/attitudes/culture of the third world. That’s why that fence went up on my street. That’s how they must survive to protect themselves there (Phillipines is the same way). Might be “quaint” to visit, but I sure don’t like seeing it happening here, all over our once-great USA.
Legal2–I concur.
Have you seen Glenn Beck lately? Frightening, what is going on in US cities on the border.
Leila said on 17 Nov 2007 at 5:04 pm:
Mexico? Well that would be interesting considering that most of the Spanish-speaking illegal aliens in Northern Virginia are not from Mexico. I doubt if Mexico is even the second country on the list. But I guess the distinction doesn’t interest you.
Please back your facts above. Mexicans are not the largest population of illegals in NVA? You are wrong on that fact.
es_la_ley said on 17 Nov 2007 at 5:02 pm:
“She spews tripe. Another one who can’t understand the differences between “legal” and “illegal”.”
She (Chavez) understands the difference quite well but, as with the rest of the illegal alien supporters, it’s irrelevent to her. Given her history and public comments already condemning Prince William County as racist, she is absolutely NOT the person who should be leading this delegation. It’s UNAMERICAN…big surprise.
Please Ms. Chavez, come and stir everyone up and gets lots of airtime with Mexicans without Borders folks. Visit some of the MS13 gang members who have been unfairly targeted too while you are at it. Make sure you have lots of marchers wherever you go. Spend time with the sign amigo in Manassas. Maybe take some time to talk to Faisal Gill about his law firms efforts to assist illegal aliens facing deportation.
You can do nothing but help the tide that is flowing against the presence of illegal aliens in our county and country. The BOC and the citizens of PWC couldn’t afford all the positive free publicity your visit will bring. And when you are done, don’t go away mad, just go away.
There are tons of El Salvadorans, but more Mexicans. They found flyers in Mexico telling Mexicans to come to Manassas, Virginia - with maps. Leila, you are describing Northern Virginia as it was a few years ago. Since then, there’s been a massive influx.
In Prince William County, El Salvadorans are ahead in the count.
Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs are keeping people informed almost nightly with developments that mainstream media won’t report.
Both also have websites, and can also be seen on youtube. Citizens need to know the big picture.
Yeah, Dolph, but they are including themselves in “Mexicans” without Borders, so we’ll humor them.
I am not so sure I am willing to agree with any sweeping generalizations about which Hispanic group belongs with which political group. I just do not know and feel that probably most people don’t belong to anything.
I believe the number of Salvadorans in the metro DC area far surpasses any other group. I saw a report on migration patterns a while ago and that fact was included. Perhaps I can dig it up.
El Salvador is the smallest of the Central American states with about 8 million people. The civil war 1980-92 killed ca 75,000. Many Salvadoran citizens were given asylum in the US and at one point received special permission to remain. I don’t know the details of that, but I seem to recall that the permission had to be renewed a while back. I agree with One Voice that Salvadorans outnumber other Central Americans in this area.
Krusty said on 18 Nov 2007 at 10:21 am:
El Salvador is the smallest of the Central American states with about 8 million people. The civil war 1980-92 killed ca 75,000. Many Salvadoran citizens were given asylum in the US and at one point received special permission to remain. I don’t know the details of that, but I seem to recall that the permission had to be renewed a while back. I agree with One Voice that Salvadorans outnumber other Central Americans in this area.
The war has been over for many years. The protected status has been extended and extended ad nausium because of a hurrican about 10 years ago followed up by an earthquake. The president of ES has requested the U.S. not send his citizens back home because there are no jobs and the country relies heavily on the remittances (big bucks) that they are sending home. Jorge agrees and that is why we have this never ending “protected” status.
Rick Bentley said on 18 Nov 2007 at 8:03 am:
There are tons of El Salvadorans, but more Mexicans. They found flyers in Mexico telling Mexicans to come to Manassas, Virginia - with maps. Leila, you are describing Northern Virginia as it was a few years ago. Since then, there’s been a massive influx.
Over 70% of the illegals in this country are Mexican. Check the Pugh Institute.
We were speaking of Northern Virginia, not the entire country. I said that there are more Salvadorans then Mexicans in Prince William County. Leila, One Voice and Krusty were speaking of Northern VA having a larger Salvadoran than Mexican population. I hope this clarifies the question.
As long as they include themselves under the MWB umbrella, I for one will continue to call them all the Mexicans they claim to speak for and with.
Two Latino teenaged females knocking on doors in the Sudley area wanting to know if residents are Latino. Anyone know what’s going on?
anonymouth: How about starting with your own ignorance which reeks from all of your ridiculous posts at this website.
999, 1:29 - How smug can you be?!? 17 years to recuperate after a war for a poor nation is not a long time. As for hurricanes and earthquakes ravishing same poor country, isn’t that enough to cause you to have empathy? Sitting in NOVA, right now probably watching the Redskins on your flat screen, maybe throwing back a beer, you seem to feel totally superior.
As for sending money back, would you rather increase our foreign aid to the country with YOUR tax money? We’re rich and fat and have plenty to share. That’s what Thanksgiving means. The Indians shared with the Pilgrims (if you believe in fairy tales that is) and vice versa. So, 999, let a little kindness seep into your soul.
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Anonymous,
The weekend before the election there were two female hispanics wandering around my condo complex asking if there were any latino’s living here. My neighbor asked them why and they refused to answer him, so he went back inside and came back out with his border patrol hat and followed them around the complex until they left a very short time later.
Dave - Might that be called stalking? If a man with a funny hat were following me, I’d leave too. There are weirdos everywhere, you know. - Is your neighbor a border patrol person, or did he just have the hat left over from Halloween?
He is a retired Border Patrol official. He wears the hat proudly all over the county. Goes into DMV weekly to stir things up.
Krusty said on 18 Nov 2007 at 5:53 pm:
999, 1:29 - How smug can you be?!? 17 years to recuperate after a war for a poor nation is not a long time. As for hurricanes and earthquakes ravishing same poor country, isn’t that enough to cause you to have empathy?
It about damn time we took care of our own people. Next you will want all of the refugees from Bangladesh who just went through a cyclone to come here, all of the refugees from the fighting in Liberia, Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and every bananna republic that feels it needs to get rid of it poor and uneducated.
GET A LIFE, CLOWN!
Dave - If he hangs out at DMV without having any business there, might that be called loitering? What does he do to “stir things up”? Is is OK to go into a DMV office to “stir things up? Just wondering. Which DMV office does he hang out in? I’d like to go and watch what he does.
Krusty said on 18 Nov 2007 at 9:51 pm:
I’d like to go and watch what he does.
Don’t forget to wear your clown get-up or do you wear that all the time?
Maybe we should all start wearing Border Patrol hats. All illegal aliens should be reminded frequently that they are not welcome here.
999 - 9:49 My, my! You’re just sore because the Redskins lost again. And I think your neighbor has too much free time in retirement, so tries to go back to his working days. And show off his hat to prove that he’s important. Bet he’s a nice guy though.
Good night - sweet dreams of earthquakes, hurricanes, flooding… You don’t have to worry. You’ll wake up in your nice, cozy bed, turn a tap for your nice, hot shower, flick a switch to turn on your coffee maker and maybe sit down at your domputer and write red hot blog comments.
P.S. I have a great life. Saw the movie “Ratateuille” today.
In spite of it being a Disney, it had a lot to give. You ought to see it.
Anonymous - I only wear it when I shop at Neiman-Marcus!
Hey, starryfights - What does it look like?
Krusty, Amazon.com sells some.
Krusty,
My neighbor goes into a couple different DMV offices, can’t say how or why he picks them on a weekly basis. He wanders around and looks at people in the office and pretty soon some of them leave to go back to their jobs that American teenagers won’t do which allows people who are legally here most likely taking time off from work a shorter line to wait in. He’s providing a service. I told him he needs to go visit the emergency room on occasion as well and some school bus stops. I went with him to the polls on election day and he wore his border patrol hat but it was too early for any of the MWB people to be there based on what I read on this blog. We went around 10am to the local elementary school, only saw some guy trying to sign people up to get Ron Paul on the ballot and a Cory supporter whom we high-fived after voting.
Dave - That must be very satisfying; I mean to be able to stare people out of an office. So now you have the ones who do work American teens won’t do, driving without a license and not on record. Some improvement!
And it sure would be great if he could stare away some sick people in the ER. Real achievement.
The top is your suggestion that he goes to schoolbus stops. Do you want to scare kids away from going to school? They have a right to go to school, no matter what. That you would even think about such an action proves to me that you’ve come a long way, baby! Over the edge, IOW!
Why would they leave if they are stared at? Would it be that they don’t belong here? If they can’t take the heat, they should leave if they are illegal. If they are not illegal they have nothing to worry about.
He doesn’t scare the kids, they can’t read English anyway, otherwise why do we as the counties taxpayers have to provide 877 ESOL teachers this school year?
Krusty you’re easy to spin up. Thanks for the laughs this morning before I go to my job that illegals cannot do unless they served our great country in the military and have a security clearance, which means a background check and interviews with friends, family and co-workers and sometimes a full scope poly.
starryflights said on 18 Nov 2007 at 10:46 pm:
Maybe we should all start wearing Border Patrol hats. All illegal aliens should be reminded frequently that they are not welcome here.
Suggest a small change…….
The should be reminded CONSTANTLY that they are not welcome here.
Dave - Thanks; it didn’t take much effort to amuse you. And congratulatons to a job that only ex-military can execute. I presume you’re a real VIP right at the top.
“a job that illegals cannot do unless they served our great country in the military”. Is it possible for illegals to be in the military?
“He doesn’t scare the kids. They can’t read English anyway.”
Wow, does he carry a sign of some kind when he puts on his Border line hat?
Krusty on 19 Nov 2007 at 9:55 am:
Isn’t it time to put your makup and costume on? You don’t want to be late for work.
ICE along with the State Police are ALREADY active in this part of Virginia. Read the papers and you’ll see that they are rounding up Illegals and on a weekly base. Some you hear about and some you don’t. The deportation of illegals has begun and is growing !
Also, illegals are the ones who have ran down Manassas!
Where is Krusty? The circus is coming to town?
Civil rights committee will meet in Prince William Co. (Dec. 14th)
http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353555142&path=
The civil rights commission will be BIASED as a result of its leaderships personal ethnic and racial alignment and favoritism (See Linda Chavez,’s comments on her own racial and ethnic group bias). See, these commissions only work one way. When a minority is being suppressed by a majority, they claim (justifiably and rightfully so) that ethnic hatred and racism is the motivating force. That is a just and appropriate cause. BUT, when a majority is being oppressed and treated unjustly with racial hatred, supremacists actions and words and ethnic privilige bias by a MINORITY, they cannot comprehend how that could possibly be a civil rights violation perpetrated on the ethnicity of the majority. They don’t GET IT…
For these commissions to be ethical, fair, and just they MUST hold minority groups and ethnic advocacy groups as illegally and socially accountable for civil rights violations as the majority ethnic groups they so readily target.
If they cannot do this they are not fit for the role and office they represent.
They also cannot endorse “illegal” behavior and illegal activity as a non-civil rights violation, or accept that it is ethnically, racially, gender and religious group neutral, because they as a commision are ethnically, racially, gender and religious biased themselves for their own racial and ethnic group agendas..
The people are on these commissions in the first place because they only want to take care of their own race and ethnic group, that’s why they can’t see it when they are the “new” supremacists and ethnic group haters.
MJM opinion of :
Resolution examined
OUR OPINION
Potomac News
Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Linda Chavez, the chairman of the State Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, is coming to Prince William County. She will examine the county’s anti-illegal immigrant resolution, passed unanimously by the Board of County Supervisors, of which Corey Stewart is the chairman.
The board moved ahead without much evidence of the impact of illegal immigrants, she said.
Chavez cited the county’s low unemployment rate as a counter for the theory that illegal immigrants are taking the jobs of citizens. And she said that since the crime rate is down in the county, this raises the question of whether illegal immigrants are causing more crime.
In his role as chairman, Stewart told this newspaper that according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, up to one-third of all gang members in Northern Virginia are illegal immigrants, as are 21 percent of jail inmates.
And Stewart also says that none of this is really the point. The point is that illegal immigrants are here illegally.
That may be the point, but we don’t see any harm in having oversight of government actions.
The committee itself has no enforcement authority and simply reports to the commission, a civil rights watchdog organization.
Stewart fears that Chavez has an agenda and that she cannot be objective. He also cites the fact that her nomination to head the U.S. Department of Labor in 2001 failed because of an illegal immigrant woman. Chavez said she was sheltering the woman. Others say Chavez had hired the woman.
A subsequent investigation by the FBI found that Chavez was innocent of any wrong doing, a fact that Corey Stewart neglects to mention.
But this is really all irrelevant. The fact is that Chavez is the chairman of the State Advisory Committee, she is coming to town and she will report to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. The commission will, most likely, listen to what she has to say.
So, it is incumbent on county officials to work with her, do their best to be transparent and try to prove, if possible, that the anti-illegal immigrant resolution will not violate anybody’s civil rights.
Attacking the head of the committee leading an investigation isn’t a good strategy for success. Attacks have a tendency to put people on the defensive, and that is not how you want someone leading an investigation to be.
Stewart’s actions are those of a little demagogue. He says that he gives Chavez no credibility and that until she is removed he will give no credibility to the results that come of her investigation.
Unfortunately, credibility is not Stewart’s to give. Neither the committee, nor the commission care if he agrees. Chavez will investigate regardless, and the best thing the county can do is cooperate. The best thing Stewart can do is stop turning what should be debate into personal attacks.
Linda Chavez has spent her lifetime in public service. In 2000, she was named a Library of Congress Living Legend — an award that honors people who have made significant contributions to America’s diverse cultural, scientific and social heritage.
We are left to wonder how history will judge Corey Stewart’s contributions.
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353567025&path=!opinion