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Gun Bans In Jeopardy
By Greg L | 20 November 2007 | National Politics | 129 Comments
The Supreme Court is going to hear the DC gun ban case after all, the AP reports. This is the best chance to reiterate that the Second Amendment is an individual right since US v. Miller in 1939, and is going to substantially impact the entire debate about gun control.
The gun control advocates must be going nuts right now. Instead of looking at the narrow overturning of the District of Columbia’s patently unconstitutional ban on firearms, now they’re faced with a broad swath of their agenda being swept away all at once.
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Hooray freedom!
Let the anti-2nd amendment flaming…BEGIN!
Wayne LaPierre is a nut case. - BTW, how was the gun show last weekend? I read that several of the bloggers were going there to increase their stock of arms.
I didn’t attend the show this time. Like I said before, I have always gotten better pricing at VA Arms when compared to the pricing at the Nations Gun Show, which I have attended several times.
There is a different one in Dale City I’ll probably go to after my range time in a few weeks. I love to go with the scent of gunsmoke on my clothes. It just smells…American…
Here’s a story and survey from Channel 4.
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14650264/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Rob Smalls - If you love the scent of gunsmoke so much, how come you’re not in Iraq? There’s lots of not just gunsmoke but other smoke too that might attract macho types.
You can thank a Gentlemen by the name of Robery Levy and the Cato Institute for advancing this lawsuit and the 2nd Amendment.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8717
I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Levy (I am a CATO sponsor). Mr. Levy is truly a defender of the Constitution. Cato is what the Republican Party should be about: States rights, small Government, no taxes, and few rules (other than “don’t hurt other people or take their stuff”).
The NRA had nothing to do with this (other than attempting to “hijack” the publicity). I discovered as a result of watching this initiative that the NRA isn’t necessarily the best friend of the 2nd Amendment. In my opinion, they are more interested in power and money. I cancelled my membership when I understood how they operate.
Gunsmoke smells like freedom to me. Had our founders not ewnjoyed the right to bear arms, we would be speaking with a British accent. That’s why the right is enshrined in the Constitution. In today’s uncertain world, we may need to exercise that right again in the future.
Krusty,
Its amusing that you bring up Iraq as its citizens have no restrictions on what arms they may possess (though as I understand it they are currently limited to one per person.)
Regardless, I encourage fence sitters to consider this essay, entitled “Why the Gun is Civilization”
http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-gun-is-civilization.html
Keeping and bearing arms is a DUTY of all Americans. The founders recognized that Freedom meant that Americans could not be compelled to keep arms by the government but that the right to do so must be protected.
Krusty: There’s not too much call for submariners in the desert, is there? However, there is a slight possibility I’ll get recalled for active duty and get sent over.
If that happens, I’ll be proud to serve (again), although my main reason for separating was that I didn’t want to deploy again after having kids. But I’ll do it, because that’s what commitment is all about.
Old Soldier: I agree wholeheartedly.
mnd: That essay is superb. It is a simple and complete encapsulation of the right to keep and bear arms.
Old Soldier - Gunsmoke also smells like death. As for NO TAXES; would you and other CATO members prefer to pay for roads, air controllers, not to mention the war? Sounds good but is unworkable. I’m all for fewer rules, especially when it comes to interfering in personal lives like abortion and same-sex unions.
mnd - I mentioned Iraq because “the smell of gunsmoke” had been brought up.
Rob Smalls - I wish no father (or mother) would have to leave children to go to war - ever!
I know that a ban on guns doesn’t work. Best example is DC. Probably has more guns per capita than most places in the country and after Detroit, more deaths caused by guns.
Even in Europe, gun fatalities are becoming more common. Used to be rare.
Krusty: “BTW, how was the gun show last weekend? I read that several of the bloggers were going there to increase their stock of arms.”
Got too crowded too fast. I saw a couple deals, but the number of people there was just insane, so I passed.
es_la_ley - Are you thinking about going to the one in Dale City in December? I haven’t been to their’s before, and I was wondering if it’s worthwhile or not…
Rob,
The Dale City show is much much smaller.
Less crowded in general.
Rob Smalls: Where is it held? I was unaware of it.
I know there’s one at the PWC fairgrounds in March too.
Nevermind, found it…
Dec 1-2 Dale City, VFW Post 1503
Yea, it’s over by the Center Giant. Cool. Will try to check it out.
Krusty said on 20 Nov 2007 at 5:01 pm:
Old Soldier - Gunsmoke also smells like death.
Didn’t take your medication today, huh?
“Wayne LaPierre is a nut case. - BTW, how was the gun show last weekend? I read that several of the bloggers were going there to increase their stock of arms.”- KRUSTY
Krusty, can you please tell me why it is that Liberals call anyone who wants to protect the 2nd Amendment a “nut case”, or exercise their 2nd Ammendment right to keep and bear arms is somehow deranged? This right, which is specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights, is pretty clear. Yet, if someone questions a woman’s right to kill a fetus, or worse a viable child in the womb, Liberals scream about how Roe V. Wade gives a woman a constitutional right to an abortion on-demand. Problem is, the Supremes had to take a very, very liberal interprrtation of the constitution to aarrive at their ruling in Roe. I have read the Bill of Rights many times and have not seen anything that even remotely garantees this as a right. However, “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”…that’s pretty clear.
So, who is the real nut-case here? The guy or girl who goes to a gunshow, and purchases a gun, all within the bounds of the law, or the girl who goes to an abortion clinic, and kills a baby?
And I know you are one of those pro-abortion people. Your comment on the Senator Cuccinelli thread is pretty clear.
If you have some extra cash laying around from canceling your NRA membership (like I did), consider joining Virginia Citizens Defense League http://www.vcdl.org . These guys have are the real defenders of your right to bear arms and not afraid to stick it in the eye of the “nut jobs” that would take away your right to bear arms.
Greg - your blogging software added a period to the end of the URL.
http://www.vcdl.org
Interesting entry on the SCOTUS Blog:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncategorized/court-agrees-to-rule-on-gun-case/
Krusty - read the Constitution and get back to us. If you can’t call one of us and we will read it to you.
Leftists have no problem finding individual rights in every nook and cranny of the constitution except the second ammendment. Then all of a sudden this document becomes a collective right to be handed out by the state. What nitwits.
As far as the NRA is concerned they serve their purpose. However, if you want to belong to a gun rights group that is all about protecting the second ammendment then join GOA.
Sports fans this very subject is why we cannot let Hillary or any other leftist loonie anywhere near 1600 Pa Ave. This next election is all about who gets to select the next 2 or 3 judges for the Supreme Court. Those of us who are here to protect and defend the Second Ammendment must keep these fools away from the levers of power. We need these judges !!!
I find it interesting that on this blog everyone must fit into a binary pigeon-hole. Liberal or conservative. I also don’t think it is very realistic. Plenty of people are both pro choice and pro 2nd amendment rights. Some of those people also believe that there can be some restrictions put on each topic while still maintaining one’s rights.
Batty - Wayne LePierre isn’t “ANYone”. He’s a fanatic=nut case.
I don’t see what abortion has to do with gun laws. Your statement about a girl going to an abortion clinic to kill fetus makes it sound as if that’s something you do all of a sudden and just drop in. If you think that that is an easy decision, think again! - I’m not pro-abortion. Wish it never had to take place. That’s why I support Planned Parenthood, because if every pregnance were planned, there wouldn’t be any need for abortions. OK, need. I know you’ll come back on that one, but there are cases where abortions may be needed, and there might be cases where guns are needed, but to buy more and more to have at home. Puzzlement!
Krusty,
I have never met a person who was pro-abortion.
As to buying more guns, I understand that people who like guns like to collect them. I have all sorts of friends who have rather extensive collections. Some they use, others they collect. I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. However, I grew up in a home where guns were kept and used recreationally. I also knew that those guns were there for protection should the need arise.
I have things that I collect. I am sure some folks think that I go to excess. Oh well, they can suck it up and get over it. I suppose turquoise isn’t as controversial.
Krusty: “Wayne LePierre [sic] isn’t “ANYone”. He’s a fanatic=nut case.”
Justify/explain. I’m curious as to why to paint him as you do.
[I’m not an NRA member and know nothing about him.]
es_la_ley,
I don’t know anything about him other than name recognition either. I am glad you asked. Perhaps both sides will weigh in on his pros and cons.
Dolph said on 20 Nov 2007 at 7:30 pm:
“I find it interesting that on this blog everyone must fit into a binary pigeon-hole.”
It makes for a better debate. If everyone was in the ‘center’ it would be pretty boring.
Dolph & Krusty,
I haven’t met anyone that’s pro-abortion either.
I don’t fit into a binary pigeon-hole. I’m very conservative on somethings, and very liberal on others. I am one of the people that are pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.
I wish abortion never had to happen, but it’s a sad reality. Abortion being legal keeps women from having to have a “back alley abortion”. Abortion is a very personal decision.
I wish nobody had to pull out a gun a protect their home or family, yet it is another reality of the world in which WE live in.
I’m curious if all these pro-lifer think it’s ok to let doctors play “God” by creating babies via artificial insemination and in-vitro-firtilization. This is a practice I do NOT believe in. Quite frankly have these couples that have tried for years to get pregnant, and been through numberous medical procedures, and taken hug amounts of hormones ever considered maybe God did not think they were capable of raising children? It sure makes me wonder. God only gives us what he knows we can handle is my belief.
es_la_ley
I don’t find the middle too boring. It just means both sides will be against you.
Hey all, I would like to get some training on rifles and shotguns. Anyone know where I can do that? I have seen some classes at centreville and winchester but they are few and far between and are always sold out. Sorry to thread crap but I see that a lot of you are hardcore gun guys and I am just a regular old gun owner looking to increase his arsenal and learn safely.
park’d,
The NRA right up the road used to have some very good programs for training, safety classes etc. If there isn’t a class, you will find people there more than willing to take you under their wing.
For the record, I am not a member.
Lafayette,
You hit the nail on the head when you said everyone will be against you.
I consider myself a moderate and I do not want to be boxed in to any ideology. I believe most people fall in to that category, although not on this blog.
park’d,
I think some yout of friends here on bvbl might be willing to help you out. Volunteers?
Good luck, Dave B. you need that gun over there. Always better safe than sorry.
BTW- How are the storm doors looking, and are the baby strollers still all over?
Volunteers?
Dolph,
I don’t know I think some are little more in the middle than let on around here. Well, we’re still here.
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than THEY let on..
lafayette,
Maybe they are skeered to speak out. They don’t want their throats ripped out.
I ain’t skeered. I’m with Dolph and Lafayette as far as pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment. I despise abortion, but that being said I don’t believe it’s my right to deny it to someone else as long as it’s legal. I also believe that if I go vegetable and need a machine to keep me alive, it’s my decision to get unplugged and go with dignity, without priggish moralists using my infirmity to make a political point.
park’d - Check out the bulletin board at the NRA range. There are several instructors who have posted their services for prospective students. They are usually well-credentialed and offer one-on-one training.
Patriot Temp,
Right you are. DNR, here too. I’ve seen too many loved ones suffer for years living(at the end of their lives) a life of no dignity. Skeered-HA!
Rob,
Exactly! re going vegetable. I would include terminal illnesses in that plug pulling also. It is important to have those directives in writing just in case someone wants to disregard your wishes, be it family member or outside do-gooder sticking his/her nose in your business.
Rob & Dolph,
Got living will? Got Do Not Resistate order? Got a medical Power of Attorney? You better. Get them if you don’t. Just a few things to insure OUR wishes are met. It’s my body and my life.
Krusty said on 20 Nov 2007 at 5:01 pm:
Old Soldier - Gunsmoke also smells like death. As for NO TAXES; would you and other CATO members prefer to pay for roads, air controllers, not to mention the war? Sounds good but is unworkable.
Krusty - I’m for small Federal Government, states rights. You know, Federal Taxes are something relatively new. States should be handling all taxation (my original blog mispoke when I said no taxes… I was referring to Federal taxes).
Believe it or not, the free market could handle roads (and are to some extend in Virginia) and commercial Air Traffic Control (why exactly are we paying for a service that commercial airlines use? The job the Federal Government does in this area speaks for itself.).
The answer to war is not to engage in it. Free markets are the best offense. Countries don’t go to war with suppliers or customers. You should check out Cato’s website and get on their mailing list.
The question Cato asks in discussions such as this is, “…exactly where in the Consitution is the Federal Government granted the power to (do whatever is under consideration). If it isn’t in the Constitution, the Federal Government shouldn’t be doing it… and that includes a lot of things they are doing at the moment.
Gunsmoke only smells like death if you are on the wrong end of the gun. It always smelled like life to me… mine.
Good discussion… I appreciate your point of view.
Lafayette said on 20 Nov 2007 at 8:37 pm:
BTW- How are the storm doors looking, and are the baby strollers still all over?
Baby strollers were out in force the other day (all heading up Sudley Manor Drive for the K-Mart run.) This is the first time in many, many weeks I have seen so many. I guess they have been keeping a low profile for obvious reasons.
Vigilant1,
Did you see any shopping carts rolling down SM too? Those damn things are all over Lomond, Urbana, Clifton and Portsmouth just to name some. I always tell Giant they need to get the locking device that Shoppers’ has on their carts.
Nice to see you back.
Parkd
I highly recommend Hunters Education. You can find a class by going to the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries.
The web site is www.dgif.virginia.gov . Some classes offer participants the opportunity to shoot. We took our class through the Fairfax Rod and Gun Club and we got to shoot trap. Also, if you like to shoot with a shotgun you can go to the Bull Run Shooting Center which is in Centreville. You can get lessons there. They offer trap and skeet shooting. They even have an indoor archery range but you can not use broadheads. Just some ideas for you.
Parkd,
I’m not a guy but I like to shoot. I do like to shoot trap. I have a Remingtion 870 pump.
Sorry, Remington 870 pump. It’s getting too late for me.
Thanks all, I will try those places. Where is the NRA range though? The only range I know of around here is blue ridge and those guys are so expensive.
Laffy: My next door neighbor is the only baby carriage i ever see. That thing is always in the back yard which isn’t even visible to anyone who might want a room. Those people have some kind of underground illegal railroad going on there. People always coming and going; some legal some not by the look and sound of it. I’ve got my eye on them and they know it. *points two fingers at his eyes and then back at them*
Patty: I checked out that site you gave me and didn’t see any links in there for training. I have tried in the past multiple times with bull run and their classes were either full or canceled
I’ll try calling the NRA and see if they can point me some place. Gracias!
park’d - The NRA range is in the basement of the NRA headquarters in Fairfax at Waples Mill Road where it crosses I-66. Here is the phone number: (703) 267-1400
Blue Ridge is a hole compared to the NRA range. I went there for a class earlier this year, and they are far more expensive with less capable facilities. It’s nice to have an alternative, but I’ll stick to the NRA range.
Lafayette said on 20 Nov 2007 at 11:00 pm:
Vigilant1,
Did you see any shopping carts rolling down SM too?
No, haven’t seen any carts lately on SM. Maybe the supermarkets should place a permanent sign on each cart (in English and Spanish) that carts are not to be removed from the store’s parking lot and are the property of such and such store. Then, anyone caught pushing one of these “tagged” vehicles outside of the shopping area would be subject to being stopped by the police. Those carts are not cheap and may fall under the category of “felony theft.” Just an idea.
Vigilant1,
You are so right. Those carts are not cheap, and the cost of them is passed along to the consumer. Giant just got new carts for the first time in 40years. My sister works for Shoppers, and she the amount of theft is unbelievable, and yes we have that cost thrust upon us too. Theft of a cart should have a stiff penalty as far as I’m concerned. Let’s not forget those carts can also double as a stroller.
I have seen several cars in driveways with out tags. Have you notice any of them?
Have you seen the “Coke Machine” on my block in the driveway?
Vigilant - One would think that the businesses that have bought and paid for those carts would have a vested interest in keeping them. I don’t know how much a shopping cart goes for, but I’m reasonably sure it’s much more than the average profit on a cart full of groceries.
Of course, citizens could take action by petitioning the city or the business to take care of the problem. If it poses a significant safety problem (ie. out in roads, etc.) I would go straight to the city. If it’s just a general nuisance, a letter-writing campaign to the business (with copies sent to corporate headquarters) would likely be effective.
Krusty said on 20 Nov 2007 at 5:01 pm:
Old Soldier - Gunsmoke also smells like death.
I love the smell of cordite in the morning. It smells like victory.
Lafayette,
You not only have a coke machine but also a sink and other trash sitting out there on the curb a couple houses down from the coke machine. I guess someone moved out real quickly and there is no longer trash service.
I guess it will be up to the neighbors who give a rat’s rear end to have to take care of the removal of this garbage. Even if a neighbor dragged all this curbsite debris and trash to their own garbage pick up, I seriously doubt if any of the trash companies will pick up a sink without an additional charge to the trash bill. This crap has been sitting out there for at least 2 weeks.
Someone recently asked about quality of life in Westgate had been disturbed. Oh ye of little faith, If I had to give up my day off to take someone else’s trash to the landfill, just so my neighborhood didn’t look like a slum, I would consider my quality of life severely impacted. Ditto for taking in the ‘orphaned’ trash to my own garbage pick up and paying the $50 for oversize construction debris to be removed.
Patriot Temp
I tell them each and every time I go to the WestGate Giant. I like the letter writing idea. I think I will give that a try. I will also mention this to my Supervisor’s office.
Lafayette said on 21 Nov 2007 at 8:19 am:
I have seen several cars in driveways with out tags. Have you notice any of them?
Have you seen the “Coke Machine” on my block in the driveway?
No to both questions. I believe the law changed on 1 July this year so you can call the police to tag any unregistered (expired plates), no current inspection or no county decal vehicles parked on private property. Prior to then, the police would only tag the vehicle or have it towed if it was on the street. Might confirm that with the police. I know it is against the zoning laws and it is a violation. I have had a few cars tagged and towed in the hood for the cited violations. If a vehicle you know is not roadworthy and has a cover over it, zoning will not check it out. They say they cannot look under the cover. I know this as fact from a complaint I made about a vehicle.
Maybe the “Coke Machine” is there for the hot and tired bicyclists and stroller pushers. You know, “Coke Refreshes.” lol
Dolph,
Zoning will be out to chek on the “Coke Machine”, and the “litter crew” will be by to pick up the trash on the curb next door. I have seen other houses with the left behind trash. I will be reporting those addresses too.
I hope this please you.
Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp said on 21 Nov 2007 at 8:20 am:
I don’t think that the businesses that supply carts for their customers have much control with the cart leaving the area of the business. They would have to put a number of people on “shopping cart” duty to keep check. I think the permanent sign on each cart would be some sort of a deterrent and would give the police some authority to stop someone seen pushing one of these carts in a residential neighborhood.
Parkd,
When you get on the home page for VDGIF, click on Education which is on the left side. Then click on Hunter Education that appears under Outdoor Education. A red box will appear that says Hunter Education Class Locator. Click on that and fill in zip and mile radius and it will give you a class in the area you specify. I believe you can change dates. You can probably contact them by e-mail to find a class that offers shooting. This is what I came up with for a current class (I’m not sure if they will offer an opportunity to shoot): http://www3.dgif.virginia.gov/ClassSchedule/Outline.aspx?dept=Hunting&text=t
I have been to the NRA range and I do like it too but sometimes it is a bit far. When I went to Bull Run Shooting Center for the first time, I went during the week on a slow day. One of the range assistants assigned to my station, gave me some instruction. Since my husband and I were the only ones there he was able to give me some instruction and pointers. I hope this helps.
Shoppers has the electronic locks on the wheels. This couple was trying to push their cart into the lot closest to Dairy Queen. It stopped rolling at the edge of the Shoppers lot. They were parked across the little drive way going down the middle of the lot. They managed to push the cart to the middle of that driveway and decided to pull their groceries out. They left the cart in the middle of the road. I asked them if they were going to put it back and they said it didn’t roll anymore. It rolled fine up to the edge of the parking lot, but as soon as it left the Shoppers lot it stopped rolling…..hmmmmm let’s get out the slide rule and figure this is rocket science so we do not even attempt to drag the cart back into the shoppers lot. SHEESH!!!!
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Howdy bubblehead…It was nice meeting you last night!!
Dolph on 21 Nov 2007 at 8:42 am:
What does zoning say about the sink and other trash? I would call zoning and inform them of the empty house with the trash on the curb. It is not going to go away by itself and perhaps zoning would remove it and bill the owner of the property (but I doubt they would do that.)
Vigilant1,
I’m familiar with the new laws. I wonder if we called on the same covered car. I know of one that fits the bill two blocks over.
Parkd,
The address above didn’t show the class but if you put in the zip and 20 mile radius, it will give you the current class available.
Vigilant - I agree, they would have to exercise some sort of control over the cart situation, but it’s their property and (if it was me) in their best interest to do so, especially if you’re drawing customer complaints. A sign would be good, proximity wheel locks would be better, and lot attendants reporting theft of property would be the tops.
Heya Doc! You finish that book yet? (-: It was nice meeting you (and your lady friends) last night as well. I hope it’s the first of many get-togethers, shipmate!
Lafayette,
I hope the clean up crew gets there in a timely manner. Otherwise you might have a few new pets to contend with on your street. Regardless of who takes care of this problem, it is still a cost to someone who did not put it there (individual or taxpayers) and meanwhile good citizens like you, your family and responsible neighbors have to look at that crap daily.
Obviously it doesn’t bother the owners of the coke machine. Those people have so many trucks they probably cannot see the curbside trash. For those of you who haven’t taken a drive down Lafayette, this coke machine that Lafayette and I keep remarking on is sitting in the driveway in front of the house. It looks like hell! Why not just put a working don’s john right there beside it? This is a residential street, not a construction site.
Vigilant1,
I am sure Lafayette is all over the atrocities on her street. I live about a mile over from her but I do use her street as a cut through to get to my house.
I bring these things up because some readers here seem to doubt that Lafayette, Patty, WGW and others have had their quality of life impacted. I can assure you that their complaints are valid. What impacts their neighborhood impacts my own. Now is not the time to start thinking it is the other guy’s problem. When you do that, it will soon be YOUR problem.
(I mean the general ‘you’ not personally you)
Park’d:
The Isaac Walton Club, located in Bristow, has a pretty good indoor 25 meter range if you want to join it. It’s good for pistols. Unfortunately, I took my assault rifle there to zero it and unintentionally shot through a steel protective plate and ruined one of the target mechanisms a coupla years ago. I still maintain my membership, and if you join, I’d be glad to give you pointers and make sure you don’t shoot yourself in the foot. Applications are available at B&B Archery, on Mathis Ave. Good people.
RS, I am sure it will be. You make it sound like I am a stud or something (c:
Westgate Shoppers has the wheel locks. They use to only go to the end of the sidewalk, now you can push the cart into the lot.
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I agree Dolph. We can not put our heads in the sand and think the problem is going to go away.
We need to figure out some way to bring this and the NAU to the forefront. I am not sure if there is a presidential candidate willing to take on either one of these issues. The problem is once we bring these issues out, we seem like loons and racists. I wish I could win the lottery so I could spend some of it getting the word out.
If they do away with the second amendment they should do away with the first.
Lafayette,
I sent you a couple of e-mails. Let me know if you got them. Hopefully the situation will be taken care of in the next couple of days. Got to go for now. Should be home most of the day but got to clean house.
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Here you go Dolph
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LOL…ASCII code didn’t work (c:
I will stick to my usual. Smalls was the one that got this started with the comment about my ladies. He made it sound like I have sooo many. LOL
One of the better ASCII art pages:
http://www.chris.com/ASCII/
Now now. You told me you would probably show up “with a couple of ladies”. What’s a fellow sailor to think? It’s shore leave all over again!
Just flew by Lafayette to have a “Coke and a smile”. That damn machine was empty. I’ll fly by another day. I hope that trash gets removed sometime soon.
Thanks all for the info on gun training.
Advocator: I’ll look into the Isaac Walton Club since my sister just bought a foreclosed house there for a song I will be in that area to visit her anyway!
Protect Rights said on 21 Nov 2007 at 10:40 am:
If they do away with the second amendment they should do away with the first.
I’ve noticed that countries that do not have the equivalent of the 2d Amendment don’t have much of an equivalent of the 1st. That’s the Liberals’ agenda.
park’d - It’s actually called the Izaak Walton League of America. Their site is www.iwla.org.
RS, LOL Yes but it isn’t the Philippines (c:
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WGW, Howdy neighbor!! How can you have a coke and a smile when the electric has been turned off?? Don’t put any money in it even if it has coke in it unless you are sure it is plugged in. I would hate to see you stripped of your hard earned cash. (c:
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I am glad to see we are making progress on the illegal alien front. I talk to everyone I know about it and point to the things I have seen.
I wish VA would follow OK’s lead and work out some legislation to petition the illegal aliens home country for a birth certificate for children born here. If PWC would do it that would clear out the hospital and force the illegal aliens to go to San Francisco or a neighboring sanctuary city.
I have asked before, what are these sanctuary cities going to do when all they have is the illegal aliens and no tax paying citizens? If I was a tax paying citizen in that community, I believe I would be upset at the amount of money being spent on services provided to folks that are not contributing anything to the tax base except some sales tax on grocery and gasoline sales. Property tax is what pays the bills. Keep tightening the noose and taking in the slack, they will start deporting themselves.
Westgate Witch,
Better grab that coke and a smile quickly. I just observed Sr. Chavez, pony tail and all, visiting the coke machine property. He seemed to be having an amicable conversation with one of the house residents. I hope he told them to take the coke machine to the dump. Just reporting in.
You might need to do a fly by real soon.
Dolph, our reporter on the street!! This is better than watching a 24 hr news channel!!!
advocator 1:17 pm - Have you also noticed that countries (1st world nations) that don’t have the 2nd amendment have considerably less killings by firearms. And how you draw the conclusion that they don’t have the equivalence of the First amendment, I don’t know. (Putin’s Russia excepted) If you don’t have facts, don’t state something that sounds like facts but isn’t.
Yea, I know about Switzerland.
Krusty, my observations are based upon my experiences in places you know about only because of the National Geographics in your doctor’s office.
I just got a call from Sr. Chavez, regarding the “Coke Machine”. He told me he’d been to the property, and spoke with the owner, and they have a deadline of 4:30 to have it removed. He said he would follow up with me just before the deadline. I thanked him. I just called this in to Zoning this morning, and action has been taken. I’ve looked at this for over two weeks now. I wanted to wait in see if there were any other concerned citizens that might help me out and call it in. So, I finally broke down and called it in myself. Yes, the “Coke Machine” has been risiding on my block. I care about more than just my block and hoped someone besides myself might care about my block. Oh well I know better next time, don’t I.
Advocator - WOW!!! Now, that was a really demeaning remark. Tags you as a snob of the highest rank, but, Thanks for giving me the compliment that you think I’m able to read!
You have NO idea of where I’ve been, not only as a visitor, or anything about my background. Again, WOW. Bet you’re a hit at cocktail parties you attend telling stories about places the other guests know about only because they’ve read NG! I can just hear you “The last time I was in …..” I can’t believe it! Again, WOW!!!
I don’t attend cocktail parties, Krusty.
Advocator said on 21 Nov 2007 at 3:42 pm:
Go easy on Krusty. He is just fighting for HIS rights to party.
Sorry, Krusty, I couldn’t resist
Update on “Coke Machine”
The “CM” has been moved from the driveway, and relocated just behind the side fence. I was under the impression that it would be removed from the property completly. I can’t wait to follow up with Sr. Chavez, and he did say he’d call back. I can’t wait to talk to him.
“Krusty, my observations are based upon my experiences in places you know about only because of the National Geographics in your doctor’s office.”
LMAO!
I am anxiously awaiting Lafayette’s report.
es-la-ley 4:10 - Me too! Took Mr Big’s inane comment way too seriously. He doesn’t go to cocktail parties. He’s a highfalutin’ snob anyway. I can’t imagine that he goes to beer joints either, because with an attitude like that, he wouldn’t last there very long. Some regular guy would cut him down to size in no time.
So, Advocator, enjoy the stratosphere!
Boy, I thought litter was bad on my block, with the errant soda can or discarded chip bag.
You guys have people throwing away whole vending machines!
Krusty:
I find it interesting that you would call Advocator’s post demeaning, and yet you didn’t answer my post last night (@ 7:57 pm) where I asked you to explain why you called Wayne LaPierre of the NRA a “fanatic” and a “nutcase”.
Since you could only apply those tags because you know where he’s been and know all about his background, feel free NOW to explain.
Personally, I don’t know anything about the man. Obviously you do.
Waiting…
es_la_ley on 21 Nov 2007 at 6:10 pm:
Krusty hasn’t recovered from the two martinis the other night. That was the alcohol talking. Two drinks he he’s outta this world!
Krusty said on 21 Nov 2007 at 3:17 pm:
“You have NO idea of where I’ve been”
I don’t think we want to know “where you have been” Krusty. Ask someone WHO CARES!
es-la-ley 6:10 - You can find plenty to read about Wayne LePierre at Wikipedia. No need for me to reiterate. Evidently you were not curious enough to look it up yourself. - Not answering a post, is that demeaning?
Anonymous 6:21 - I never intended to tell you anything, because I know nobody cares; neither do I care to tell. This isn’t a Dear Abby column. I was stating that, in fact, you surmised that I have not experienced anything but what I have read in my doctor’s office. If that isn’t demeaning, then es-la-ley doesn’t know what “demeaning” means.
And, Anonymous, your last sentence is again proof of your presumed superiority!
/\/\3l)ic 64,
I did NOT get a call back from Sr. Chavez. I just got back from telling Giant, and it’s too dark for me to see from the street. I’m going on “foot patrol” now. I will report back shortly. I might even have some pictures of the “CM”, and so far I’m not smiling.
The “Coke Machine” is here.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2807419160102412507JRzJiq
Lafayette,
I love the 10 garbage cans encircling the coke machine to prop it up. Adds that special touch.
So it rolled to the other side of the fence? Hmmmm…good place for rodents to reside. Come get a coke AND a new pet.
Lafayette,
Can people purchase these machines? If not, maybe contacting the local Coca Cola distributor may do some good. Just a idea?
Update on “Coke Machine”***
I’m pretty pissed right now, that damn “CM” is still on the property at the side of the house just behind the fence. I will take new picture in the daylight. I will forward the picture to my Supervisor, Neighborhood Services, and several other places when business resumes for the county. I should’ve known it was to good to be true.
Dolph,
I hope the “new pet owners” are informed of the “leash law” for
PWC.
These people are running a business out of their home. They need a business license to do that and I don’t think the county would grant them one for a painting company in a residential neighborhood.
I think the county needs to take care of this. I am for not letting PWC off the hook. Enforce its own codes and ordinances.
Krusty:
“es-la-ley 6:10 - You can find plenty to read about Wayne LePierre at Wikipedia. No need for me to reiterate. ”
Wikipedia!? Good God man! You trust that as an accurate source!? ANYONE can put ANYTHING on that site. Hopefully you don’t judge anyone else by their entry on Wikipedia!
“Evidently you were not curious enough to look it up
yourself.”
Nice try.
I had no curiosity about him until *you* brought it up. As I said, I know nothing about the man. Offering Wikipedia as your justification for calling someone a ‘nutcase’ makes you just another moonbat who seeks justification for your own preconceived beliefs. I’m done with you.
es-la-ley 7:53 - If you are at all interested in the NRA you must have heard of Wayne LaPierre. I’m amazed that you haven’t. Anyway, I never thought I’d do a long item, but since you seem to want info the easy way, here goes:
Wayne LaPierre, Jr. - Biography (I’ll call him Jr)
Jr is the Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer of the National Rifle Association of America. In his leadership position, Jr conducts the affairs of an over 3,5 million member association through a staff of over 550 employees with an annual budget of over $120 million.
Under the direction of a 76 member board of directors, he is responsible for implementing NRA policy as well as serving as president of the National Firearms Museum Fund and trustee of the NRA Foundation. An avid sport shooter, he holds an executive position with the North American Wetlands Conservation Council, the world’s largest wildlife program, and officiates each year at NRA events nationwide.
Jr joined the staff in 1978, as a state liaison in the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the Assn. Initially responsible for a 10-state region, he was promoted twice in two years and named Director of State & Local Affairs in l979. The next year he accepted a position as the Director of Federal Affairs, where he was responsible for the planning and execution of all NRA initiatives before Congress and the executive branch.
In 1986 Jr was again promoted to Executive Director of NRA-ILA. It was in this position that he took to the forefront as the leader and spokesperson for all NRA legislative activities at every level of government.
Jr serves on the board of directors of the Am. Assn of Political Consultants. He holds a master’s degree in American government and politics from Boston College and a bachelor’s degree in education and political science from Siena College in New York.
After accepting his current position in 1991, Jr became the chief national spokesperson for the NRA which, under his leadership, has achieved the most dramatic growth in membership since NRA was founded in 1871.
It boggles my mind that you haven’t heard of him.
Lafayette,
I called and left message. I hope you call soon. Sounds like you didn’t get a chance to read my e-mails. Please call. I can give you details.
Lafayette,
Sr. Chavez had nothing to do with the CM today.
Dolph said on 21 Nov 2007 at 7:26 pm:
These people are running a business out of their home. They need a business license to do that and I don’t think the county would grant them one for a painting company in a residential neighborhood.
Well they wouldn/t be the first. I got a notice on a hearing because a neighbor wanted to get a variance on her home beauty salon and add an electrolysis center. I called the zoning board and asked them how long this business had been running in the neighborhood and that I was not aware of it. It came to my attention when I recieved a notice for a variance. They said everyone was notified when the first permit was requested) and the permit was granted. The variance was also granted. There is another home owner who appears to be running a car repair business as the side and back yard are full of cars being worked on etc etc. Maybe he has a legitimate business license to repair cars or he just likes to work on them. Some day when you drive down Sudley Manor Dr. (particularly on the weekend) and stop at the 3 way stop and take the right turn onto Strasburg St., take a look at the corner house on the left hand side of the street . Sure looks like a business! Would like another opinion.
Anonymous,
I have noticed that ‘garage.’ My guess is that there is no business license.
The county is supposedly very strict about issuing business licenses in residential neighborhoods. I obviously do not know the regs but this is an area that really seems to need to be tightened up.
Patty,
I know about the call you made. Did you not read what I wrote. Sr. Chavez called me, and said they had a 4:30 DEADLINE, and he didn’t call back. He told me with his own forked tongue that it would be GONE by 4:30, and that he would call and confirm the status of the “CM”. I’m calling you now.
Krusty said on 21 Nov 2007 at 6:45 pm:
Krusty, have another martini or two and CHILL OUT!
We saw Sr. Chavez at the coke machine house. He was very much involved. Why is this being questioned?
Dolph,
I don’t know why it’s being questioned either. I just read Layfayette’s post and it sounds like maybe Patty didn’t read her earlier post. I know you both saw the pony tailed inspector over there…Patty, Layfayette…what is going on..is THIS the guy you talk about that goes to the WRONG houses, etc?
LaFayette, thought you might get a kick out of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCn-D5xFdc
Good night Manassas. If I don’t get to you tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
Dolph,
Had to talk to Lafayette off line about it.
Lafayette,
Glad we got connected. It will be interesting to see what Sr. Chavez will do. I don’t expect much from him. He has told some whoppers in the past. I figure if he comes back and says to you he is not allowed to go in the back yard, then we can call the officer.
Lafayette,
By the way, our informant was going to come for a visit this afternoon but didn’t make it over. It will be interesting what this informant has to say.
Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp,
Will you be eating for the Patriot too? LOL, Good job in filling in but serious, someone needs to find out how he/she is doing!!!!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family
ANON @ 9:59,
I know exactly which house you speak of the are car buffs. I don’t think it’s a business there, but it does look like one at times. The numbers of there does seemed to have decreased though.
redawn,
This is infact the Sr. Chavez we speak of that goes to the wrong houses. He was most definately at the right house this afternoon. Dolph and I both saw him. I know Dolph dug his pony tail. I really thought those shades were cool myself.
Vigilant1,
Thank you, thank you, thank you!! Stay vigilant. I sure know I will.
ANON@9:59
corr(s) sorry
THEY are car buff.
The NUMBER of VEHICLES SEEM to have decreased though.