Thin Cover For The MJM
By Greg L | 20 November 2007 | Prince William County | 57 Comments
In a pretty case of cover-your-butt, the Manassas Urinal-Massager has finally decided to come partially clean and tell its readers that there was in fact no intimidation of voters at the Stonewall precinct on election day according to the Virginia State Police. It still chooses to trumpet the original unfounded allegations proffered by someone previously who was never a witness to these now-disproven allegations, however. This desperate attempt to keep the false story about voter intimidation alive in reader’s minds now broaches the subject of the complaints that actually had merit, but dismisses them (again without any attempt to investigate the actual facts of the case) in what is one of the most pathetic attempts I’ve ever seen by a mainstream media outlet to salvage its irretrievably tarnished reputation.
Such dizzying heights of spin is normally reserved for political campaigns.
At the same location, a different group of people helped those who spoke English as a second language, Weimer said. Some people didn’t like that, but that didn’t spark an investigation, Weimer said.
“Some people didn’t understand that what was going on was perfectly legal and within the code, and they voiced their opinion about that -not thinking that we should allow it - but the code is specific about that being a service that’s available,” she said.
What “some people” might not have appreciated a clear violation of Virginia Code § 24.2-649, which requires that anyone providing assistance to a voter at the ballots does not attempt to influence their vote. While the MJM is eager to “investigate” any thinly-supported apparent attempts to prevent what may reasonably be suspected as illegal aliens from unlawfully participating in our elections, they turn a deaf ear to evidence that some may have attempted to leverage the unfamiliarity of some voters with our methods of conducting an election to their partisan advantage.
So much for the press being the supposed protector of our democracy. They’re failing miserably, and by all accounts, quite deliberately.
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So stop creating every other thread related to them then! The MJM is a rag and once again as I have said 1000x in the past they are not worthy of discussion. Use them to wipe your a$$ like I do and be done with it. Enough with these MJM threads for the love of GOD!
We still haven’t seen the tape that was shot. Bet that would shed some light on what happened. How come we haven’t seen it?
And what was the campaign manager’s name, we never received that information?
Comp. Cons.(NOT)
Remember, it not Greg’s video. He clearly stated the times he was there, and the time of the incident.
You will NOT get to see it. So, move on!
Why not post the video? Are you trying to tell me that a republican campaign manager wouldn’t give Greg it? Please don’t insult our intelligence. Let’s get the whole thing out in the open. Let’s see what really happened. So we can all tell for ourselves. It’s a simple concept. Post the video.
Why don’t just call the MJM, ask them to report the WHOLE story. Or contact Ms. Wiemer.
Who are you to think YOU need/deserve to see it and get a name?
It’s pretty obvious from the responses that you don’t want us to see it. If there’s nothing to hide then full disclosure is very simple, you tell the name and post the video. So why is that you are putting up such a fight over something so simple? I am sure if the video supported your version of events then it would be already posted. Could it be that the video isn’t very flattering for the person or persons who shot it? Is that why he doesn’t want it seen? What other explaination is there?
What video are you talking about?
Comptrashinate Conservative…IGNORED
park’d…this is someone trolling. Ignore them and their attention seeking ways become a moot point. (c:
I wonder if Compassionate Conservative is in reality Betty Weimer, who thinks it is okay for interpreters to cast votes instead of the voter. Ms. Weimer, how come Nancy Lyall was at Stonewall Middle with her MWB friends? How come John Stienbach was able to get away with producing an illegal ballot for distribution? Why do you have the position you do? It seems like you may not understand the code. Are you afraid? You better be. Nancy L. and John S., your deeds will get exposed.
IGNORE BUTTON-activated!
What? Did I say something so absurd?
Why is Betty Weimer an enemy? She needs to respond to complaints, regardless of source. Why threaten someone. Goodness.
Anyone can go to whatever poll they want as long as they behave themselves. I have worked at many different polls all over the county.
anon, I haven’t seen where she was threatened. She needs to respond, but because she is sympathetic to illegal aliens, she won’t. That is the whole issue. It isn’t just her it is the entire gov’t that sits on their hands and will do nothing to curb the illegal invasion so they do not offend a certain bloc of voters. Some of the things I have seen in videos are treason! We are being invaded and Washington is not doing anything about it. Giving these people drivers licenses and amnesty is not the way. That will only encourage the flood of invaders.
The OK state senate has the right idea. Once a baby is born to parents that are not here legally, the home country consulate of the parents is petitioned for a birth certificate. This eliminates anchor babies and helps turn the tide back to the countries these illegal aliens are coming from.
It is time to get a hold of this and secure the American borders TODAY!!!! People just want the rule of law followed and the LEGAL immigrants are welcomed with open arms.
What video are they talking about?
park’d–you have to understand that clueless, mindless people read the mainstream media crap and actually believe the garbage. I don’t think anyone with any brains gets their info from newspapers.
Greg made brief mention of a video that was shot outside Stonewall supposedly illustrating the behavior of “translators” on election day. CompCon asked for the video to be posted in that thread, and Greg replied he didn’t have the video to post. Since then CompCon has seized on that brief blurb about a video which seems unavailable as proof that it repudiates the claims Greg has made on his blog.
CompCon seems like little more than an agitator in this whole thing. The tenor of their posts, both previous and current, seems biased against the efforts to HSM, to say the least. Best to ignore them.
I agree monticup.
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®êÐä\/\/Ñ, It is in reference to a mention in one of Greg’s posts that video existed. He doesn’t have access to it, but compassionate conservative is insisting that he post it. Seems this person is like many others that do not understand. He does not have access to it so he can not post it. It is no different than those who do not understand ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL.
/\/\3|)iç 64,
Thanks for the update. Take a look at this video. I see that you have commented on watching all sorts of youtube clips.I agree that I have been SHOCKED but things I have been viewing lately. Are you curious to the allegations of the North American Union?
Here is a march against it recently in LA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cehk9CcAw0g
redawn on 20 Nov 2007 at 11:24 am:
And our Congress is not doing a damn thing about it! Open borders and outsourced American jobs. You can see why!
999,
It seems to be exactly what is going. Open borders, no enforcement,
outsourcing, dollar value dropping,etc. So what are we to do? How do you fight such a VIOLATION of trust? If all of this is true and it is hush, hush, HOW do we overcome it? The more and more I look into this I am finding myself convinced that this exist. The SCARY part, is what now?
/\/\3|)iç 64 said on 20 Nov 2007 at 9:54 am:
It is time to get a hold of this and secure the American borders TODAY!!!! People just want the rule of law followed and the LEGAL immigrants are welcomed with open arms.
AGREE! But who is going to do it. Our Congress and President will not. Who do we turn to? Congress just removed from the defense spending bill they passed the 3 billion dollars that was allocated to build the fence. They are still playing games with illegal immigration and there is absolutely no will by most of Congress to enforce the law. The director of homeland security is in Bush’s pocket and always has a soundbite on how he is enforcing the law but in reality, he is doing absolutely nothing.
I think Homeland security is a joke.Look at our borders, our Airports, etc. Look at FEMA faking a press release. Who do you trust? Why don’t we see the things we do on youtube clips ( thank goodness for youtube, informative with a grain of salt)
I am worried about the North American Union. It has come to light recently for me and I see it in the works right now.
These are a few of the articles I have read about it:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_American_Union
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
I am afraid it is not only Bush, but others that see this as a need. If it is implemented, the illegal immigration issue disappears and we open the borders to many other attacks. I do not see how this will help any of the nations except Mexico. This will validate their citizens crossing the border illegally and help free up the routes for drugs and such to flow easier into the US. This is a real problem. In light of this, I see why Homeland Security is dragging its feet on the fence. Why spend money when they do not have to.
The problem with Congress is that everybody’s Congressman is at fault…except mine. All of Congress deserves to be thrown out on their ear… except for my Representatives and Senators, who do a wonderful job despite their detractors who push America down the wrong path.
If we could push for term limits on Congressional representatives and repeal the 17th amendment to allow for state legislatures to appoint Senators instead of direct elections (like it used to be), we might have a legislature that viably represents the will of the people, and not career politicians who have their phone numbers on the speed dial of every friendly lobbyist in town.
park’d @ 6:57
Since I get what little the JM has to offer on line (gave up my
subscription a while back), about the only thing I find of any
interest whatsoever is the obituary and letters to the editor.
They got it right today, with the letter from Mr Grandstaff
castigating a Mr Cronin’s letter regarding the qualifications
of Louis Dominguez, candidate for sheriff. The only thing I
find lacking from Grandstaff’s assessment is a comparison of
selecting pig’s feet over filet mignon.
Gone Fishing,
I loved that letter, and thought of you. Glad to see you’ve read it. Your last sentence is too funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Anyone want to go to the border over the winter and string some concertina wire? I’m convinced that’s the only way a “fence” is ever going to get built.
I can’t believe we are giving up America like we are. What can we do? We are but a few and have no power to equal that of the gov’t.
I am afraid I will be the last generation of full American citizen. My children and grand children will be NAU citizens.
/\/\3|)iç 64,
“What can we do? We are but a few and have no power to equal that of the gov’t.”
The only thing that I can think of is to start asking questions and demanding attention and answers!?
High-tech driver’s licences will be allowed at Border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB31g29Ib1Y
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
?????
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16058
This is unreal!!! It seems too many things have already been put into place to stop it now. Amendments to emergency spending bills for the war to allow this to continue. This is just unreal. Can’t the people we elected see what this will cause? My guess is they have already purchased stock in all of these companies and will be out of congress, because it will not exist anymore, and will be able to take full advantage of them. I just can’t believe we have no say in it and it is as far along as it is.
It is the duty of the executive branch of government to enforce the laws. Not to cut congress any slack, but it really isn’t their job. They can’t even do their own job. I am certainly not ready to have them appointed though.
“This is unreal!!! It seems too many things have already been put into place to stop it now.”
How about that! Freedom commented on another thread, it seems as thought we are not “seeing” the trees through the forest.
It seems to me we are running in circles chasing our tail over the “small” things ( although I don’t consider them small but small when looking at the BIG picture)
AN excerpt from this article:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18721
Nor does Medved address our concern that the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is following the continental integration plan that led Europe over a 50-year period from an initial coal and steel agreement to a European Common Market to full regional government, the European Union, with a regional currency, the Euro. Currently available documents, such as the memoirs of Jean Monnet, a key architect of the European Union, make clear his long-standing antipathy toward the notion of national sovereignty. Christopher Booker and Richard North’s 2003 book, “The Great Deception,” makes clear that the elite creating the European Nation knew that “it would be necessary to conceal from the peoples of Europe just what was being done in their name until the process was so far advanced that it had become irreversible.”
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_5979.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53378
From 2005:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1215/is_2_206/ai_n13659239
From an article dated 5/22/2006
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15017
Following the March 2005 meeting in Waco, Tex., the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) published in May 2005 a task force report titled “Building a North American Community.” We have already documented that this CFR task force report calls for a plan to create by 2010 a redefinition of boundaries such that the primary immigration control will be around the three countries of the North American Union, not between the three countries. We have argued that a likely reason President Bush has not secured our border with Mexico is that the administration is pushing for the establishment of the North American Union.
My thoughts are solidified. I had no idea, it just made sense when I found this NAU information that the lack of concern to build a fence or secure the southern border was because of this. I guess it is just common sense. We have to find a way to get real information and push it to the rest of America. Obviously the mainstream media is not going to cover this.
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An excerpt from this article:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18721
Nor does Medved address our concern that the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is following the continental integration plan that led Europe over a 50-year period from an initial coal and steel agreement to a European Common Market to full regional government, the European Union, with a regional currency, the Euro. Currently available documents, such as the memoirs of Jean Monnet, a key architect of the European Union, make clear his long-standing antipathy toward the notion of national sovereignty. Christopher Booker and Richard North’s 2003 book, “The Great Deception,” makes clear that the elite creating the European Nation knew that “it would be necessary to conceal from the peoples of Europe just what was being done in their name until the process was so far advanced that it had become irreversible.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53378
From 2005:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1215/is_2_206/ai_n13659239
From an article dated 5/22/2006
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15017
Following the March 2005 meeting in Waco, Tex., the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) published in May 2005 a task force report titled “Building a North American Community.” We have already documented that this CFR task force report calls for a plan to create by 2010 a redefinition of boundaries such that the primary immigration control will be around the three countries of the North American Union, not between the three countries. We have argued that a likely reason President Bush has not secured our border with Mexico is that the administration is pushing for the establishment of the North American Union.
My thoughts are solidified. I had no idea, it just made sense when I found this NAU information that the lack of concern to build a fence or secure the southern border was because of this. I guess it is just common sense. We have to find a way to get real information and push it to the rest of America. Obviously the mainstream media is not going to cover this.
What and how do we bring more attention to this? Greg can you do a thread on this and/or what are your thoughts on it?
/\/\3|)iç 64,
Lou Dobbs talks about it ( from numerous videos I have found)
What do you suggest as in getting this out? I just found out about it about a month or 2 ago….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Li0Wa5rc0
Advocator @ 1:10
Before you begin enlisting volunteers to help string wire, I
would strongly suggest you get yourself a good topographical
map…you just might change your mind once you see the map.
The land around the river is not flat, there are no roads, no
water holes in the desert areas and there are all sorts of
poisonous snakes as well as other dangerous animals, the likes
of which you’ve never seen!
Suppose you and your volunteers make it to the river’s edge,
your ass would be shot by the farmers who own the land, yes..
they own it right to the river’s edge. You would be trespassing
and they don’t like trespassers. You wouldn’t make it that far
because the feds would stop you in your tracks or the drug
smugglers because you would be interfering with their business.
You see, Advocate, the farmers down there don’t want any kind
of fence built on their land (and they do own the land). Nobody
knows where the border starts or ends, so you must realize
how futile your dream of erecting a wire fence really is. I hope
you were just kidding.
Greg, thanks for going to citizens time today. I see you rode down there with Patty on her broom. To bad y’all didn’t bring Chris - I love Greg and Boom Boom Wood with you. I enjoy my Chan 23 dose of comedy.
Need to read:
Mexico’s frustration with U.S. immigration policy builds
Government, advocates are calling for measures to influence U.S. public opinion.
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/world/11/17/1117immigmexico.html
Oh, for crying out loud. Quit complaining and move. You can find lily-white, all English speaking communities all over the country. You will have your “quality of life”, no Mexicans, lots of Wal-Marts and guns galore. Just leave. We can take care of our community without you. Most of you are probably not native to the area and have ties elsewhere. Go back to where you came from. The constant complaining is completely unproductive and serves only the bring out the worst in all of you. Don’t you get it????? The only entity can address this issue with any real authority is the federal government. Amazing how you all ignore that fact and hang onto pipe dreams. Maybe you should raid the churches with Jackson Miller. You know the churches are actually feeding people and giving clothing to the needy and, omigod, some of those folks might be illegals.
Don’t YOU get it? The Federal Government has done absolutely
NOTHING. Therefore, it is up to the states and local governments to take some action.
You are free to move yourself. You can start with moving on from here. You only like to “stir the pot”. Get lost and stay lost!
Witch: You are the one complaining and so full of angst. I’ve lived here all of my life and have not seen such hatred since integration and the civil rights movement. If you think your problems all stem from less than 1% of the population, then you have a real problem.
BTW- I have lived here all of my life too. I’m sorry you’ve had to see so much hatred. I haven’t. I don’t consider wanting a better quality of life and legal residents(are welcome here) living amongst us hatred. I guess you have a lot of hatred in your heart.
Oh, please. Don’t be condescending. You must not be reading the posts on the website or reading the letters to the newspaper. The hatred is palpable. The overt reason for the reaction to the immigrant community is wanting a better life for yourself. Is the quality of your life honestly affected by the illegal immigrants in the community? I would be interested in knowing how you personally have had your quality of life reduced by the illegal immigrants. I’ve heard the talking points, ad nauseum. Just your own personal experiences.
Patryot,
I know a house you can rent and then you can see for yourself how the quality of life has deteriorated. Of course, you only want to see your side of it and hate us because you don’t want to walk in our shoes. Maybe your hate for us keeps you from experiencing the problems we have. The only hate I see is from your comments.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071121/ts_nm/usa_immigration_identification_dc
“…Residents will be able to obtain the resident cards by presenting photo identification and proof they live in the city, such as a utility bill. It was unclear if the new cards, which will be accepted at libraries and health clinics, will carry photos.
Such a move had been expected from San Francisco, which is famously liberal. Earlier this year, Mayor Gavin Newsom said he would not allow city officials and employees to assist immigration raids by federal authorities seeking up people who had committed crimes or disregarded deportation orders.
San Francisco, which declared itself a “sanctuary city” in 1989, also this year launched a program to provide medical care to uninsured residents regardless of their immigration status…”
Patryot,
I will not tell you my personal stories. My question to YOU is have you been reading the posts for months by many concerned legal citizens? If you haven’t I suggest you go back and read some of the stories by the regular “non-pot stirring” posters.
Yes, I have been reading some of the lame stories and letters to the editor.
I pitty you and your kind.
patryot said on 20 Nov 2007 at 8:11 pm:
Oh, for crying out loud. Quit complaining and move. You can find lily-white, all English speaking communities all over the country.
Gee, I had no idea that it was the American way to cut and run when you see something wrong in your community and your own rights are threatened by people who do not belong here (illegals). Those Founding Fathers must have been a bunch of idiots just like the rest of us, right patryot? If they didn’t like the way Great Britain was treating them, they should have gone somewhere else! Has your family been here for enough generations to have Tory in your background?
I really believe that one of the most attractive aspects of the American character has always been an unwillingness to back down from a fight when principle is involved, even when it would be easy to do so. I suppose the easy life this country has to offer (earned in blood, sweat and tears by the millions that preceded us), and is SO attractive to these illegal aliens who seem to believe that it should be handed to them and not earned, has taken some of the starch out of current generations.
“Most of you are probably not native to the area and have ties elsewhere.”
Actually patryot, I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed that most of the commenters here who are opposing the illegal alien invasion are, in fact, either natives or have been here long enough to be practically natives. As an example, although Lafayette was born here and I was not, I’ve been here longer than she has.
patryot said on 20 Nov 2007 at 9:37 pm:
… The overt reason for the reaction to the immigrant community is wanting a better life for yourself….
You really should get your glasses checked patryot, or at least adjust your selective reading comprehension filter, because I can’t count how many times it has been pointed out that THIS IS ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS, NOT IMMIGRANTS. I’ve lived in this county for 46 years and, as far as I could tell, it has always been welcoming to IMMIGRANTS. It’s people like you, Nancy Lyall, John Steinbach and MSF that have stirred up the hate to the extent that our legal immigrants are feeling threatened…that one’s all on you folks. One day perhaps those immigrants will properly thank you for what you all put them through.
No one has yet to point out how ILLEGAL immigrants have diminished the quality of life of anyone. Let’s hear it. Be specific. Tell me how in your personal life ILLEGAL immigration has diminished your quality of life. You have no ideas. Month and after month, complaint after complaint, but no realistic solutions. This website is simply an opportunity for you to vent your frustration and, in some cases, present a platform for the Republican party in our community. It has nothing to do with community pride or true concern about the community. You are being used to achieve the political ambitions of Jackson Miller, Corey Stewart, et al. I have not seen anyone who has anything original to say or creative to discuss. Just more of the same while you deride those who disagree with you. As far as history goes, as I recall, we were the immigrants. Your analogy, cheney, would suggest that immigrants, legal immigrants, have every right to try to change the government to suit their ideals. And the whole notion that it is noble not to “back down” when there are other viable solutions is just what we need! Always look for the fight and never consider that there could be another way to solve a problem. This isn’t about your rights being usurped. This isn’t about anything being taken away from you which has always served, until recently, as the force behind our going forward with war or confrontation. To equate this situation with the Revolutionary war is naive and obviously not drawn about a good understanding of history. This is more akin to the Civil War. If you liked the Civil War, you will love this one.
Reasons Illegal Immigration have diminished the quality of life.
1. The Federal Government has not done anything about this issue and are creating the tension and outrage amongst people, especially the ones who came in through the front door.
2. The identity fraud and theft.
3. The murders and drunk driving.
4. The increased gang activity and drugs.
5. The drive down of our economy with cheap labor.
6. The non assimilation through out the living community.
7. The use of medicad and WIC for the children born of illegal parents.
8.The overcrowding of our schools due to overcrowding of homes
9.The entry of unknown terrorist cells coming across the open borders.
10. The lack of paying into the federal government by means of federal, state and social security.
11.The disease that are brought to our soil that are going unchecked, untreated.
Just to name a few.
Patryot,
I posted a few specifics over under the gun ban thread. I do not necessarily disagree with you about some of the issues being political ploys in the last election. However, I do feel that our area has been seriously impacted by unrestrained illegal immigration.
I am taking a wait and see approach to the resolution. I am going to be very careful not to assign cause/effect relationships where none exist.
Patryot, your “questions” have been answered numerous times on numerous threads…by me and many others. It is the reading comprehension filter of you and your fellow apologists that keeps you making the same comments, with minor variations, over and over again. It’s all in the archives (note to Protect Rights…thanks for repeating some of them).
Insofar as legal immigrants are concerned, they absolutely have not only every right to be here, but every right accorded other citizens of this country once they achieve that citizenship, including the right to vote. I happen to be one of those naturalized citizens myself.
As far as your suggestion regarding my analogous use of the Revolutionary war is concerned, it was not related to this situation (illegal aliens)…it was related to your absurd remark that “if you don’t like it, move (paraphrased).” I guess the Founding Fathers and the other patriots could have headed west, huh? I happen to have an excellent grasp of American history, and have participated in some minor aspects of it, as a matter of fact…and I was actually equating you to a Tory.
AWCheney,
I posted as Protect Rights for that very reason…I fear that some just over look the poster……thought I would try another approach.
( the definition of insanity: doing the same things OVER and OVER again and expecting different results)
Happy Thanksgiving 
hush little baby…
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