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	<title>Comments on: A Trial Baloon For The New Religion</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41626</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41626</guid>
		<description>I agree

Anonymous said on 24 Nov 2007 at 12:23 pm:

Everyone just turn your paycheck over to government and let them return to you what THEY think you are entitled to keep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree</p>
<p>Anonymous said on 24 Nov 2007 at 12:23 pm:</p>
<p>Everyone just turn your paycheck over to government and let them return to you what THEY think you are entitled to keep.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41331</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41331</guid>
		<description>The human race really doesn't deserve any breaks.  We created our own demise...  let's get it over with and give some other species a chance to evolve.  We just don't deserve to survive.

And for those who believe in God, Global warming certainly looks like the end of the world predicted in the bible...  why fight it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The human race really doesn&#8217;t deserve any breaks.  We created our own demise&#8230;  let&#8217;s get it over with and give some other species a chance to evolve.  We just don&#8217;t deserve to survive.</p>
<p>And for those who believe in God, Global warming certainly looks like the end of the world predicted in the bible&#8230;  why fight it?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41248</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41248</guid>
		<description>I believe a point is being missed here.  One is the issue of tolerance being confused with criticism.

What if a person's rantings about how much they don't think a particular issue or reality is a good idea actually has no basis in fact.  What if the approach to counter this lack of fact is to create fiction in the form of manipulative blogging?  Many people who twist the truth do so with anger, and misinformation, and distorted half-truths.  If you can character assasinate "politically" you can win your case even if facts prove you to be a totally mis-lead and mis-informed person?

Many religious people are found by truth in history to be guilty of this over and over.  I think that was the point of the criticism, not the intolerance of free speech.

Global Warming is here, the world's leading scientists confirm it.  Ignore it at the peril of the human race. Critisize ecological taxes all you want, but we better find a reasonable way to reverse it and SOON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe a point is being missed here.  One is the issue of tolerance being confused with criticism.</p>
<p>What if a person&#8217;s rantings about how much they don&#8217;t think a particular issue or reality is a good idea actually has no basis in fact.  What if the approach to counter this lack of fact is to create fiction in the form of manipulative blogging?  Many people who twist the truth do so with anger, and misinformation, and distorted half-truths.  If you can character assasinate &#8220;politically&#8221; you can win your case even if facts prove you to be a totally mis-lead and mis-informed person?</p>
<p>Many religious people are found by truth in history to be guilty of this over and over.  I think that was the point of the criticism, not the intolerance of free speech.</p>
<p>Global Warming is here, the world&#8217;s leading scientists confirm it.  Ignore it at the peril of the human race. Critisize ecological taxes all you want, but we better find a reasonable way to reverse it and SOON.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41222</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41222</guid>
		<description>Ok, going out on a limb here but (whispers to "19th Century Evangelical"), "Jesus was NOT tolerant."  

Prime example, what did he do/say in the church when the merchants were selling?

Think he was tolerant?  Check out Matthew 10:34-39(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010:34-39%20;&#38;version=31;).

And if you so much as bring up the fact that Christ said, "Ye who are without sin cast the first stone" I will argue that He also admonished the adulterous woman not to sin again.

I once said that I would not dissuss religion, but when a friend is attacked as not being Christian or "Christian enough", then I will defend (though Greg requires no defenders as he does an excellent job on his own).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, going out on a limb here but (whispers to &#8220;19th Century Evangelical&#8221;), &#8220;Jesus was NOT tolerant.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Prime example, what did he do/say in the church when the merchants were selling?</p>
<p>Think he was tolerant?  Check out Matthew 10:34-39(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010:34-39%20;&amp;version=31;).</p>
<p>And if you so much as bring up the fact that Christ said, &#8220;Ye who are without sin cast the first stone&#8221; I will argue that He also admonished the adulterous woman not to sin again.</p>
<p>I once said that I would not dissuss religion, but when a friend is attacked as not being Christian or &#8220;Christian enough&#8221;, then I will defend (though Greg requires no defenders as he does an excellent job on his own).</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41165</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41165</guid>
		<description>The "carbon tax" is hardly a new idea. And these people call themselves "progressives"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;carbon tax&#8221; is hardly a new idea. And these people call themselves &#8220;progressives&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Soldier</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41128</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41128</guid>
		<description>I think Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged..."  pretty much sums up my opinion of 19th Century Evangelical's comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Matt 7:2-5 &#8220;For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged&#8230;&#8221;  pretty much sums up my opinion of 19th Century Evangelical&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: law and order</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41069</link>
		<dc:creator>law and order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41069</guid>
		<description>Wow Mr 19th Century Evangelical !, did you miss the first part of Genesis that gave man dominion of animals and the creation and not the other way around?  If we are supposed to cherish the earth and environment and don't he'll punish us becuase he made it ..not Liberals with Taxes to feed on or "so called evanelicals" who need to fill a sanctuary to feel needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Mr 19th Century Evangelical !, did you miss the first part of Genesis that gave man dominion of animals and the creation and not the other way around?  If we are supposed to cherish the earth and environment and don&#8217;t he&#8217;ll punish us becuase he made it ..not Liberals with Taxes to feed on or &#8220;so called evanelicals&#8221; who need to fill a sanctuary to feel needed.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41054</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41054</guid>
		<description>19th Century Evangelical said on 24 Nov 2007 at 5:33 pm: 
Rob,

Wow, another conservative who blames a liberal for intoleranc [sic] when that is exactly NOT what I was saying. How original you are.

Actually, Mr. Steinbach, what other reason would you have for going totally off-topic?  Only one line in your entire lengthy admonition of Greg (I mean where in Scripture does it call on people who claim to follow God to care for the environment and be stewards of his creation?), and everyone else, on this blog referenced the original subject matter.  Under the circumstances it would be reasonable to view your comment(s) as an intolerant attack upon the opinions of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19th Century Evangelical said on 24 Nov 2007 at 5:33 pm:<br />
Rob,</p>
<p>Wow, another conservative who blames a liberal for intoleranc [sic] when that is exactly NOT what I was saying. How original you are.</p>
<p>Actually, Mr. Steinbach, what other reason would you have for going totally off-topic?  Only one line in your entire lengthy admonition of Greg (I mean where in Scripture does it call on people who claim to follow God to care for the environment and be stewards of his creation?), and everyone else, on this blog referenced the original subject matter.  Under the circumstances it would be reasonable to view your comment(s) as an intolerant attack upon the opinions of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Billyboy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41053</link>
		<dc:creator>Billyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41053</guid>
		<description>Again Patty and I have found common ground. 
Boycott China... 

I also agree with Layfayette and Anon 7:06

As for Raizing Kaine, who reads it any how?
It's a nutty idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Patty and I have found common ground.<br />
Boycott China&#8230; </p>
<p>I also agree with Layfayette and Anon 7:06</p>
<p>As for Raizing Kaine, who reads it any how?<br />
It&#8217;s a nutty idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41045</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41045</guid>
		<description>Anonymous@ 7:06
To each his own is right. 
I believe that some sort of religion in better than none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous@ 7:06<br />
To each his own is right.<br />
I believe that some sort of religion in better than none.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41044</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41044</guid>
		<description>Amen to Anonymous 7:06.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41042</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41042</guid>
		<description>The free market extends to religion...  there are many choices...  to each his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The free market extends to religion&#8230;  there are many choices&#8230;  to each his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41041</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41041</guid>
		<description>I sure hope not.  I clearly need all the help I can get!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope not.  I clearly need all the help I can get!  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41039</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41039</guid>
		<description>Don't think it will take all that long, Rob...:) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think it will take all that long, Rob&#8230;:) <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41038</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41038</guid>
		<description>19th Century Evangelical -

You're absolutely right.  I don't know how I could have possibly miscontrued the phrase "quit blogging, quit speaking and just learn to accept God’s grace" as a sign of your intolerance of Greg's views.  I guess I just read your prose and formed my own opinion.  Hey, the free market lives again!  

I suppose I just haven't had the benefit of your many pearls of wisdom long enough to be as original as you are.   But maybe if you hang out long enough, you can be as lame as us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19th Century Evangelical -</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right.  I don&#8217;t know how I could have possibly miscontrued the phrase &#8220;quit blogging, quit speaking and just learn to accept God’s grace&#8221; as a sign of your intolerance of Greg&#8217;s views.  I guess I just read your prose and formed my own opinion.  Hey, the free market lives again!  </p>
<p>I suppose I just haven&#8217;t had the benefit of your many pearls of wisdom long enough to be as original as you are.   But maybe if you hang out long enough, you can be as lame as us.</p>
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		<title>By: 19th Century Evangelical</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41037</link>
		<dc:creator>19th Century Evangelical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41037</guid>
		<description>Rob,

Wow, another conservative who blames a liberal for intoleranc when that is exactly NOT what I was saying. How original you are. You know what amazes me? Conservatives who believe in the free market for everything but opinions. In the most tolerant way I can express it, you guys are so lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>Wow, another conservative who blames a liberal for intoleranc when that is exactly NOT what I was saying. How original you are. You know what amazes me? Conservatives who believe in the free market for everything but opinions. In the most tolerant way I can express it, you guys are so lame.</p>
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		<title>By: PWConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41036</link>
		<dc:creator>PWConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41036</guid>
		<description>I wish some of the global warming would come our way, It's Way too cold here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish some of the global warming would come our way, It&#8217;s Way too cold here</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41034</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41034</guid>
		<description>19th Century Evangelical:

I believe God's grace makes room for everyone's views, even if you don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19th Century Evangelical:</p>
<p>I believe God&#8217;s grace makes room for everyone&#8217;s views, even if you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41030</link>
		<dc:creator>legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41030</guid>
		<description>Wow, 19th Centurion, you sound so tolerant of others.  You can start your own blog, you know, open borders go in both directions, don't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, 19th Centurion, you sound so tolerant of others.  You can start your own blog, you know, open borders go in both directions, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: 19th Century Evangelical</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41028</link>
		<dc:creator>19th Century Evangelical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/24/a-trial-baloon-for-the-new-religion/#comment-41028</guid>
		<description>Greg,

I so appreciate your voice - may I say prophetic voice since I know you are a Christian? Your values so easily mirror Christian values. I mean where in Scripture does it call on people who claim to follow God to care for the environment and be stewards of his creation? Where is Scripture does it call on the followers of Jesus to welcome the stranger regardless of legalization status? Oh, Scripture does that and more? Oops! I guess I was wrong about you. 

Well, maybe you are just a good American? What? The strength of the United States is found in our history of welcoming people, building on the strengths of all people and not marginalizing some because they did not reflect the skin tone of the majority? 

Well, maybe you are not a good Christian or a good American. Maybe you are just mean-spirited, selfish, and angry at people who do not do what you want them to. You see, Greg pluralism - as it was in the Roman Empire during the time of Jesus, and as it is now - is not something that threatens those who love God. No, cultural, ideological, and social pluralism is a context in which Christianity can shine, when Christians exhibit God's love, mercy, and grace towards others that they have been shown themselves. 

Greg, quit blogging, quit speaking and just learn to accept God's grace. Maybe - a big maybe - then you will have something to say. Until then you will are resounding gong and clanging cymbal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I so appreciate your voice - may I say prophetic voice since I know you are a Christian? Your values so easily mirror Christian values. I mean where in Scripture does it call on people who claim to follow God to care for the environment and be stewards of his creation? Where is Scripture does it call on the followers of Jesus to welcome the stranger regardless of legalization status? Oh, Scripture does that and more? Oops! I guess I was wrong about you. </p>
<p>Well, maybe you are just a good American? What? The strength of the United States is found in our history of welcoming people, building on the strengths of all people and not marginalizing some because they did not reflect the skin tone of the majority? </p>
<p>Well, maybe you are not a good Christian or a good American. Maybe you are just mean-spirited, selfish, and angry at people who do not do what you want them to. You see, Greg pluralism - as it was in the Roman Empire during the time of Jesus, and as it is now - is not something that threatens those who love God. No, cultural, ideological, and social pluralism is a context in which Christianity can shine, when Christians exhibit God&#8217;s love, mercy, and grace towards others that they have been shown themselves. </p>
<p>Greg, quit blogging, quit speaking and just learn to accept God&#8217;s grace. Maybe - a big maybe - then you will have something to say. Until then you will are resounding gong and clanging cymbal.</p>
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