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The MJM Tells A Sob Story
By Greg L | 25 November 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 118 Comments
Today’s Manassas Urinal-Massager provides an example of how Prince William County’s policies towards illegal aliens is having an effect. An illegal alien charged with child abuse, and who had decided to relocate to the illegal alien sanctuary that is Maryland after being charged, is being held on an immigration detainer and faces the possibility of being deported back to Guatemala. While the MJM decided to talk about this specific case, there are about 170 other inmates at the Adult Detention Center on immigration detainers under the Section 287(g) Program whose stories aren’t being told. Since this inmate has five children, fathered by two different boyfriends, and might somehow receive sympathy from their readers, this is the case the MJM has decided to focus on.
How utterly predictable. While discussing none of the circumstances surrounding the other inmates being held on immigration detainers, the MJM decides to pluck out one mother of five who exemplifies a not too common circumstance where some may be inclined to want to protect an illegal alien from the consequences of their decisions. Sure, she has kids that under the current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment are entitled to American citizenship. That doesn’t, and should not, excuse her from being held accountable under the law. We don’t fail to prosecute any other class of criminal just because they have children.
What this article does, and perhaps the MJM doesn’t realize this, is signal to illegal aliens that regardless of their personal circumstances if they violate the law and are processed through the Adult Detention Center, they will be turned over to the Bureau of Immigration And Customs Enforcement. There’s no “get out of jail free” card available for illegal aliens who might somehow garner our sympathies. Break the law, and face the consequences. Anyone operating under the mistaken impression that local law enforcement will provide special treatment on the basis of factors which are not relevant to the law are getting a pretty clear message that there’s no safe haven here. Although the MJM probably doesn’t want to highlight this, I’m pretty sure that is what they’re going to cause here.
That message should get the illegals moving. Maryland seems to be a popular place for them to relocate to, and they’re welcome to them all. Perhaps someday they’ll realize what the downsides really are of being a sanctuary jurisdiction for illegal aliens, and stop their inane coddling of those who unlawfully reside in that state. Apparently, they don’t understand this yet.
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I don’t understand…how can you say that this is a sympathetic example? This “mother of five” is charged with CHILD ABUSE. Her kids are better off without her.
How do you know that this case is “not too common”? What are the charges upon which the other 169 inmates are being held?
I agree with AWCheney. There are few individuals who arouse disgust as ardently as a child abuser. I hope she serves a lengthy sentence if she is convicted. I don’t know if this could be accurately termed a sob story though, given the circumstances of her detention.
I do agree with the rest of Greg’s analysis, however. Stories like this, while possibly looking for a sympathetic ear, do serve as a stark reminder that deportation for criminal offenders here in this county illegally is not only possible, but probable. Just how probable is to be determined when the resolution is completely implemented, but certainly, situations like this stir the illegal immigrant population into reconsidering Virginia and Prince William County as their sanctuary.
DEPORT her a$$!
Did anyone notice the sub-headline (Prosecutor pursues case against immigrant.) The MJM didn’t have the guts to state that she is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. YELLOW JOURNALISM at it’s finest!
Ducky said on 25 Nov 2007 at 5:38 am:
How do you know that this case is “not too common”? What are the charges upon which the other 169 inmates are being held?
USE YOUR IMAGINATION. YOU WILL PROBABLY COVER THEM ALL!
Kudos to the Journal for making the point!! five kids on a Burger job’s salary–No doubt Joe and Jane Taxpayer PAID for that. Wonder how many more of these baby drop cases there are.
Babys belong with mama..Send the kids with mama back home–if they can support themselves of the public dime, they can come back when they are old enough to do it..in the mean time lets bounce the anchor baby rule.
That’s the real story … how the taxpayers have been funding her.
wow,
this woman has been pregnant since 2002! 5 children on a fast-food workers wage? I dont think I make enough and I have two children.
The story is only sad for the reason that this woman was allowed into our country illegally, she bore almost half a dozen children and then scalded them with water. What a model for modern motherhood she is!
her children are far better off with someone else and she belongs in jail and then back to mexico.
AWCheney,
These children are definately better off without an abusive parent. Let’s not forget those toddlers we witnessed at midnight in October, without shoes and only wearing a big t-shirt.
999,
Please, ILLEGAL ALIEN.
How about the reference to the “undocumented population”?
law and order,
The anchor babies are welcome to return when they become of legal age. We don’t have any laws preventing these deportee’s from taking their kids back to their country of origin.
Great public service announcement by the Journal and needs to be posted at the borders and international airports
WARING(ADVISIO) Latin women may experience multiple(rabbit-like) and uncontrollable births upon entry into the US(may be the air or emmissions from global warming) but rest assured Americans feel your pain and will cover all medical and health cost during your stay.
“and bore five kids from two boyfriends”
As George Bush said, “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”.
Of course that shouldn’t be taken to mean that they start there either…
josh said on 25 Nov 2007 at 9:25 am:
wow
Five kids with 2 boyfriends, wow! Nothing wrong with her moral character, huh? You are correct, the county taxpayer has been taking care of her with free meals for the kids at school and foodstamps among other bennies I am sure she is extorting. It’s gotta stop!
another thing that got me in this article, this chica has been here 14 YEARS and still doesnt speak a lick of freakin’ english. How’s that for assimilation?
Just goes to show you, these people want it all without having to follow the rules and become a contributing part of society. As mentioned above, she probably gave birth to all those children at taxpayer expense. Looking back at my first child, the civilian hospital expense for the entire childbirth was around 15-20k so assume this person got the same care, she cost the taxpayer about 100k or so..nice.
Lafayette said on 25 Nov 2007 at 9:26 am:
999,
Please, ILLEGAL ALIEN.
Lafayette, I was citing the term the MJM used “Immigrant.” The point I was trying to make was if they are going to use the term “immigrant,” they could have been truthful by stating she was an illegal one.
Where are the fathers of these children?
Could it be they are in jail or deported themselves?
What McDonald’s was she working at? Will any legal action be taken for hiring and illegal?
Lopez case “challenging”
http://manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353616649&path=!news
999,
Thank you for the clarification. I thought you knew better.
BTW-I saw lots of stuff being moved out of Colgan’s old house, and the for sale sign is gone.
Is it profitable to have so many children? It must be. How does it work that most of us couldn’t afford five children and yet they can. It must be bringing in a profit to them or they would not have so many children. Does anyone have an idea of what money the children are bringing in? I don’t know how food stamps work. Are they getting free daycare? I know schools provide free breakfast and lunch.
http://www.dss.virginia.gov/benefit/
Send the child abusing illegal alien AND her bastard anchor babies back to Guatemala. This is insanity.
Lafayette said on 25 Nov 2007 at 11:01 am:
999,
Thank you for the clarification. I thought you knew better.
BTW-I saw lots of stuff being moved out of Colgan’s old house, and the for sale sign is gone.
Yes, I noticed that this morning. The inside light was also on. Interesting that out of all the houses still on the market this one has sold. Will be interesting to note who “bought” it. There is is house on Lomond on the right side going towards the bridge that has what looks like, all of the carpet it had installed, piled outside the front door. Not sure whether it is a new one on the market or it just went up for sale.
West Gate Witch said on 25 Nov 2007 at 10:28 am:
Where are the fathers of these children?
Could it be they are in jail or deported themselves?
Probably making more kids and not paying a penny in child support for any of them.
redawn said on 25 Nov 2007 at 10:33 am:
What McDonald’s was she working at? Will any legal action be taken for hiring and illegal?
McDondald’s corporate hqs should be querried as to why they are hiring illegal aliens and why this woman was hired. They will deny it of course. They will state that her “papers” were checked and she provided a SSN. If she in fact gave them a SSN, that in itself is a felony and makes here eligible for deportion just on that fact alone. The prosecutor should check into that also just in case she beats the child abuse charge.
999,
You said exactly what I was thinking.
After all, a little bit off subject, but you would think that Mcdonald’s would be more careful about this and what their practices are. I can’t help but to think about the law suite brought against them from some idiot who didn’t know coffee was HOT.
Also, do they have a screening process in the food biz for TB and such? I think they do for daycare and health care workers?
Something else nobody has yet to point out about this woman. She has been here for 14years and still needs an interpreter to communicate in english.
Yeah, she really has the burning desire to assimilate and become a part of the American experience.
14 FRIIGIN YEARS HERE AND NO ENGLISH.
This is the PERFECT example for the US to take Oklahoma’s lead and petition the parents home country for a birth certificate for children born here to illegal alien parents. I have no sympathy for abusive parents at all!! The children should be removed from the home and left here with foster care and mom deported back to her home country.
Anon, They do not want to assimilate. That is evident with the Democrats not making English the official language at work. This is the start of the North American Union. Do not force people to learn English, but allow them to continue Spanish.
redawn said on 25 Nov 2007 at 12:30 pm:
999,
You said exactly what I was thinking.
Well, I just came with this site. Apparently McDonalds does in fact knowingly hire illegals.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/NEWS18/70927046&oaso=news.rgj.com
corr I just came up with this site. Fingers not working too well today. lol
Just ran across this one.
§ 63.2-523. Unauthorized use of food stamps, electronic benefit transfer cards, and energy assistance prohibited; penalties.
Whoever knowingly and with intent to defraud transfers, acquires, alters, traffics in or uses, or aids or abets another person in transferring, acquiring, altering, trafficking in, using, or possessing food stamps, electronic benefit transfer cards or other devices subject to federal reserve system regulations regarding Electronic Fund Transfers, 12 CFR § 205.1 et seq., or benefits from energy assistance programs, or possesses food coupons, authorization to purchase cards, electronic benefit transfer cards or other devices subject to federal reserve system regulations regarding Electronic Fund Transfers, 12 CFR § 205.1 et seq., or benefits from energy assistance programs in any manner not authorized by law is guilty of larceny.
A violation of this section may be prosecuted either in the county or city where the public assistance was granted or in the county or city where the violation occurred.
(1975, c. 388, § 63.1-124.1; 1978, c. 731; 1984, c. 535; 1994, c. 249; 2002, c. 747.)
As for identity theft:
§ 18.2-186.3. Identity theft; penalty; restitution; victim assistance.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person, without the authorization or permission of the person or persons who are the subjects of the identifying information, with the intent to defraud, for his own use or the use of a third person, to:
1. Obtain, record or access identifying information which is not available to the general public that would assist in accessing financial resources, obtaining identification documents, or obtaining benefits of such other person;
2. Obtain goods or services through the use of identifying information of such other person;
3. Obtain identification documents in such other person’s name; or
4. Obtain, record or access identifying information while impersonating a law-enforcement officer or an official of the government of the Commonwealth.
B. It shall be unlawful for any person without the authorization or permission of the person who is the subject of the identifying information, with the intent to sell or distribute the information to another to:
1. Fraudulently obtain, record or access identifying information that is not available to the general public that would assist in accessing financial resources, obtaining identification documents, or obtaining benefits of such other person;
2. Obtain goods or services through the use of identifying information of such other person;
3. Obtain identification documents in such other person’s name; or
4. Obtain, record or access identifying information while impersonating a law-enforcement officer or an official of the Commonwealth.
B1. It shall be unlawful for any person to use identification documents or identifying information of another person, whether that person is dead or alive, or of a false or fictitious person, to avoid summons, arrest, prosecution or to impede a criminal investigation.
C. As used in this section, “identifying information” shall include but not be limited to: (i) name; (ii) date of birth; (iii) social security number; (iv) driver’s license number; (v) bank account numbers; (vi) credit or debit card numbers; (vii) personal identification numbers (PIN); (viii) electronic identification codes; (ix) automated or electronic signatures; (x) biometric data; (xi) fingerprints; (xii) passwords; or (xiii) any other numbers or information that can be used to access a person’s financial resources, obtain identification, act as identification, or obtain goods or services.
D. Violations of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor. Any violation resulting in financial loss of greater than $200 shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony. Any second or subsequent conviction shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony. Any violation of subsection B where five or more persons’ identifying information has been obtained, recorded, or accessed in the same transaction or occurrence shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony. Any violation of subsection B where 50 or more persons’ identifying information has been obtained, recorded, or accessed in the same transaction or occurrence shall be punishable as a Class 5 felony. Any violation resulting in the arrest and detention of the person whose identification documents or identifying information were used to avoid summons, arrest, prosecution, or to impede a criminal investigation shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony. In any proceeding brought pursuant to this section, the crime shall be considered to have been committed in any locality where the person whose identifying information was appropriated resides, or in which any part of the offense took place, regardless of whether the defendant was ever actually in such locality.
E. Upon conviction, in addition to any other punishment, a person found guilty of this offense shall be ordered by the court to make restitution as the court deems appropriate to any person whose identifying information was appropriated or to the estate of such person. Such restitution may include the person’s or his estate’s actual expenses associated with correcting inaccuracies or errors in his credit report or other identifying information.
F. Upon the request of a person whose identifying information was appropriated, the Attorney General may provide assistance to the victim in obtaining information necessary to correct inaccuracies or errors in his credit report or other identifying information; however, no legal representation shall be afforded such person.
(2000, c. 349; 2001, c. 423; 2003, cc. 847, 914, 918; 2004, c. 450; 2006, cc. 455, 496; 2007, c. 441.)
999,
That house was in foreclosure. I guess the bank will be our new neighbor. Yes, I saw the new carpet house you speak of. Have you noticed the Galaxy model down there that has yard sales about three times a week? They have a lot of junk out there. Zoning needs to be called on the yard sale house. They aren’t just selling clothes, and little stuff.
999 & redawn,
That is why all employers need e-verify. With so made identity thefts and fraudulent documents, how do these employers know a fake from a legitimate paper.
It seems to me that many of the families we hear about have 5 children. Is 5 the cutoff number for benefits?
CJC,
Your theory sounds good, but I’m pretty sure they can get benefits as long as they can keep popping those anchor babies out.
They give out bith control at the health clinics
It just doesn’t made sense to me that such poor people have baby after baby. I think there has got to be a financial payoff that we are providing.
Or, maybe they just don’t believe in birth control.
999,
Interesting article. Have you noticed that you don’t see many teenagers working the fast food places anymore?
/\/\3|)iç 64,
Thanks for mentioning the North American Union again
I am tired of people working the drive-thru at the Sudley / Portsmouth McD’s unable to speak and understand English. My mom came out to visit last summer with my nephew, sister, husband and niece. We went to that McD’s for breakfast. My nephew wanted some more juice so my mom gave him some money to get it. He is 9 so he wanted to go get it himself. Of course Grandma was watching. The lady behind the counter had to ask him three times what he wanted. He told her orange juice all three times. The lady behind the counter rolled her eyes and gave him milk. He didn’t want that, but not knowing he could give it back and make them give him juice, he accepted it and started to walk away from the counter. We were seated close enough that I heard him say he wanted juice 3 times. My mom jumped up and asked if she spoke english. The lady replied that she did, so my mom asked her why she gave him milk. The lady behind the counter said that is what he asked for. My mom said no I heard him ask for juice 3 times. The lady behind my nephew even spoke up and said she heard him ask for the juice. I do not believe she understood enough English to understand what he was asking for. This is part of the problem; people are tired of having their orders messed up because the people taking the orders do not know enough English to take the order.
CJC, Most of those from Mexico are Catholic and they do not believe in birth control.
redawn, I will try my best to make sure that the North American Union is brought to light every chance I can.
/\/\3l)ic 64,
I ordered an Egg McMuffin at that very McDonald’s, and I noticed the bag felt light. I looked and there wasn’t any egg. Egg is in the name of the item. How the heck does this happen?
Sam,
They more than likely don’t believe in birth control, and the payoff is too rewarding. I agree with both of CJC’s comments @12:59pm
“This is part of the problem; people are tired of having their orders messed up because the people taking the orders do not know enough English to take the order.”
They could save 7 bucks an hour and replace those people with touchscreen ordering systems like Sheetz and Wawa have.
Doc/Lafayette -
I went to the McDonald’s at Rt. 28 and Upperbridge Road by Rt. 29, and at the drive through speaker I asked what flavor pies they had. “Small, medium and large” was the reply. She thought I said fries, I suppose, so I again asked what kind of pies they had, apple, cherry, etc. The lady began stammering, said “I don’t know” in broken English and asked me to pull around. It was clear she didn’t know enough English to serve the customer, so why would the shift leader put her on the speaker? Absolute idiocy. I left the line and never went back.
McDonald’s, I’m lovin’ it! Geesh.
/\/\3l)ic 64,
correct! most of them are catholic, thus do not believe in birth control. However abstinence and common sense are taught as part of the faith. This woman (as with many other illegals) show an extreme lack of common sense along with their disregard of the law. I’m also sure promiscuity plays a part in this as well along with just being plain stupid.
now her kids are with foster care, yet another drain on the system imposed by illegals.
for Lafayette,
I went to the mcdonalds once on oldbridge road one day after work, they chica there could barely take more order in english and I had to repeat it about 3 times. Once I got up there, it was totally hosed. I’m still not able to figure out how a double-quarter and cheese turns into a happy meal! Maybe she was looking out for my health by offering me a smaller portion of cholesterol-laden goodness but I was leaning toward the conclusion she was just an illiterate illegal alien.
Josh
/\/\3|)iç 64,
You would think that at least the workers would KNOW what is on the menu.
CJC,
“It just doesn’t made sense to me that such poor people have baby after baby. I think there has got to be a financial payoff that we are providing.
Or, maybe they just don’t believe in birth control.”
There is always SOMEONE who will abuse a system. As for child support:
IT is my understanding that child support is based on a income scale.
The less the mother makes compared to the father, the more she would qualify for with the understanding that it’s also based on custody issues. (such as shared, joint, or full. That plays into it as well. Another words there is credit for the number of days a parent has the child)
Child support is not considered income but it can be used to at will for qualifying for a loan, credit card, etc. ( double standard)
Let’s say Jane has 2 kids with one father, the amount of child support is based between Jane and the father. If Jane has other kids with another father, the child support she gets from the first father is not considered income and then they used the income scale with the other father for the other kids. I hope you follow that easy. Hard to explain. Also the father doesn’t get to claim child support on taxes and depending on the custody arrangement, the child(ren) So the mother gets the tax break and depending on income may qualify for income earned on taxes.
So, if someone would want to abuse the system, the more kids that person has with different fathers, the potential is there to have more child support then say 5 kids with one father…this is from what I have seen….not to mention, WIC, Medicade, HUD housing, etc.
I have seen people that do this and seem to work FULL TIME to NOT work. I am talking about the abusers before someone jumps on me. Yes, the system is set up as temporary for those in need, I am talking about the abusers, Legal or NOT.
I have a question; is the concept of a “North American Union” for real or is it a fable? I’ve seen multiple links about it, but I’m wondering why we don’t ever hear Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh talking about it??
Josh,
How HAPPY was that meal?-lol
I hope you noticed before you left the place.
Patriot Temp,
Doesn’t sound like Josh was “lovin’ it”.
Anon@1:15,
I do like the touch screen idea. We are practically forced in some stores to use self check-out (WestGate Giant and Walmart on 234-come to mind). So, why not self order.
Josh,
“correct! most of them are catholic, thus do not believe in birth control.
I don’t buy that argument ( not that your not RIGHT) and for them to use that as an excuse what about premarital sex, etc. if they are following the Catholic ways…
More undocumented heroism!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/11/25/membrila.az.immigrant.saves.boy.kgun?iref=videosearch
redawn,
The abusers are homegrown too. I think most have met one or two in their day. These abusers sure do make a full time job of not working. Yet, they are in too poor of condition to work. Yeah right.
BTW-We should be seeing less Giant shopping carts. Did you see my post and pictures of the new signs up at WestGate Giant?
Lafayette,
BTW-We should be seeing less Giant shopping carts. Did you see my post and pictures of the new signs up at WestGate Giant?
I did see and I actually went there this am to rent a steamer..what fun today, steam cleaning…hah! hah! as you can see I am taking a break.
freedom said on 25 Nov 2007 at 1:31 pm:
“I have a question; is the concept of a “North American Union” for real or is it a fable? I’ve seen multiple links about it, but I’m wondering why we don’t ever hear Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh talking about it??”
I have only seen Lou Dobbs speak of it.
Why do so many of you give McDonalds your business if you’re so dissatisfied with it? There’s no law that says you HAVE to eat there and there are other places. You can eat at home and brownbag it for lunch, for pete’s sake. Saves money too!
Krusty,
your totally right..I actually dont eat their anymore and if I do stop at any fast food place it’s because I was lazy and forgot to pack my lunch
Redawn,
Totally agree, self control and responsibility plays a very big part controlling the population.
There were people that would abuse food stamps by selling them for cash. i.e., $50.00 worth for $35.00. They have a card now unlike the paper food stamps. I don’t see how that would still stop the abuse of taking the person in and letting them buy a certain amount of groceries in exchange for cash.
Josh and Krusty,
Exactly, you know what comes next if you have to stop -
The Mc Meltdown, ewwwwww
redawn said on 25 Nov 2007 at 1:36 pm:
Josh,
“correct! most of them are catholic, thus do not believe in birth control.
Most of them are Catholic in name only. Go to Central and South America and see the empty churches. Been there and done that!
They’re Catholic when it’s convenient for them to be such.
Lafayette said on 25 Nov 2007 at 12:46 pm:
999,
Don’t waste your time with zoning re yard sales. I have been through this with them and they claim there is no law on the amount of yard sales you can have. They told me you can have them seven days a week if you want. Complained too about people not living in a residence bringing items to sell every week and was told “well, maybe it’s a neighborhood thing.” I had photos of people bringing in carloads of item to sell (it was obviously for the Latino market) such as used mattreses, beds and just plain junk. The person involved in this was seen at other yard sales and at the Salvation Army buying the items for resale. Again, fought this for almost 4 years and nothing was ever done.
Speaking of yard sales, what is up with Manaport Shopping Center and the lot next to Lee Funeral home?
Redawn, Some people call it third-world charm….
Anonymous @2:55,
I’ve actually had success with Zoning regarding yard sales. There was a yard sale was being operated 5days a week. They had all kinds of lawn mowers, strollers, clothes, appliances, big toys, bicyles, etc. They were basically running a tax free thrift store in their front yard. The yard sale was also causing a lot of traffic with abrubt stops.Zoning came and shut them down. Then early this spring Zoning asked me had there been anymore yard sales and I said no, because the house got foreclosed on.(these owners were non-latino) Not that race has a thing to do with it.
I will be reporting this yard sale on Lomond Dr., and I bet I have success once again. I will be sure to keep all updated.
Lafayette and Dolph,
It did an ok job, but should of could of would of…anyone want to recommend one for Santa to buy me?
My reviews are in as far as renting “The Rug Doctor” at Giant…..
I should have just bought one…on my Christmas list
Lafayette - I do think you have a gift for this sort of thing - Zoning ought to give you a commission for all the legwork you do.
redawn,
I sure hope Santa brings you one too. You know I didn’t pick the once white carpet in my house. I know where I borrow one.
legal2,
Thank you, I won’t be hold my breath though.
corr
CAN borrow one.
Lafayette,
I was the stupid idiot who picked out white carpet 
Yeah, same here, I borrowed one and never had the time to use it so, i gave it back
with kids and a dog.
Wow, \”Urinal-Massager\”. That\’s so incredibly funny and original. Because \”Urinal\” sounds vaguely like \”Journal\” and \”Messenger\” and \”Massager\” share some letters. That\’s really humorous…if you\’re eight.
Of course, we\’d expect nothing less from Greg. He can\’t spell, can\’t write, can\’t tell the truth…can\’t even be funny.
I wonder if he\’ll have the balls to comment on this story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/us/25illegal.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin
I doubt it.
That’s a wonderful story and I would help someone too if they were in that situation, even if I knew they were illegal. What is your point?
Amy,
The man definately is to be commended for his good deed.
However, having our economy destroyed by illegals undercutting the wages of American workers and illegals destroying neighborhoods by their roominghouse system do not balance out with a noble deed. The finanical drain of our tax dollars has to stop. We are paying the invaders to invade us.
Let them go home and be leaders in improving their homelands.
Amy-It’s called being a “good samaritan”.
OBIT-I would help too, and just look at screen names. There’s no point as usual with the illegal alien apologists.
I would help too. Think about the people that are in a life threating situation, BLEEDING and could be a potential HIV or aids carrier, I don’t think in the moment you stop and think of that, well, you do but in that split second and will take your chances vs letting that person die.Then again, there are people that are heartless and would walk away.
freedom said on 25 Nov 2007 at 1:31 pm:
I have a question; is the concept of a “North American Union” for real or is it a fable? I’ve seen multiple links about it, but I’m wondering why we don’t ever hear Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh talking about it??
====================================
North Carolina has already issued a North American Union driver’s license.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502
Exactly, OBIT. What IS your point, Amy? Does this merit a story? Does the NYT have stories about wildfires started by illegal aliens? Or a story about the trash and filth they leave behind in the desert? Or the TB and other exotic diseases they are introducing to the US?
I’m surprised that the MJM couldn’t have found a more sympathetic case than this one. This woman’s story creates far more anger than sympathy: illegal, doesn’t speak English after 14 yrs, child abuse, 5 kids by two different men, employer deception at McDonald’s job.
What a huge mistake on the part of the newspaper if they wanted people to empathize with illegal aliens! Instead people are saying “This is exactly the reason we absolutely must support 287g and the resolution.”
The NAU is real, not an urban myth. Go to www.worldnetdaily.com. This site has been on it from the getgo. Buy Jerome Corsi’s book. Jorge Bush tries to pretend he doesn’t know anything about it. I don’t know why Rush and Sean ignore it. I have a feeling they like being invited to the White House and being with the president. Sean wants to be loved so he’s not going to touch anything that explosive.
anon said on 25 Nov 2007 at 4:36 pm:
I’m surprised that the MJM couldn’t have found a more sympathetic case
There aren’t any!
I am so glad to see more and more are agreeing that there is truth to the NAU! I treaded lightly as I am still investigating, This is just down right SCARY and we need ROLL CALL to stop this, sound off……yeah, I know, HOW?
redawn,
NAU is SCARY STUFF. The nerve of North Carolina have that seal on their new license.
All the more reason to stay right here in our native county.
I would also stop help out. It’s called having a heart and good will towards your fellow man.
So what is the answer to NAU? All I hear is, it is real. Well, what is to do done to combat it?
correction: What is to BE done to combat it?
Dolph,
That is the SCARIEST part. If it’s real, and it is being silenced/covered up in our OWN government, what do you do, how do we combat this?
I also want to bring up that in my research in the NAU, I have seen Ron Paul’s name attached to this…as in vote for him, so I am questioning this as far as an election conspiracy HOWEVER, I think it makes the most sense.
UnMas,
Heroic nothing. Anybody over the age of 12, or with an IQ over 50 who wasn’t drunk would have done as much for a lost kid. Doing the right thing does not make anyone a superhero.
Several years ago while vacationing in a state park, we came across a lost child - she was barely out of diapers. We contacted park rangers who asked us to stay put and care for the tot while they went hunting for her family.
After almost four hours, and just as the sun had set, we got the call that rangers and found family would be arriving for tot pick up.
Long story short, her parents had put her down for a nap in their tent, and the shorty bolted into the woods. Lots of hugs and handshakes during the reunion … but in the end we were just happy to help. Absolutely nothing heroic about adults acting like adults. Nobody felt compelled to contact CNN with the story. Kids get lost and found all the time.
More like a lucky break for the criminal invader who got to grab an American kid and use him as a human shield … I find it repulsive to use the boy’s tragedy as PR for illegal aliens.
I say give him a hug and a handshake, then “document” him with a bus ticket.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929797/posts
How about this for even more undocumented heroism: Such a Brave, Brave Girl …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930288/posts
The NAU is part of our “esteemed” President Bush’s agenda. He and Calderon are in bed together in this. I voted for Bush twice…he has turned into a huge and utter disappointment. One of Bush’s 1st steps in his NAU agenda has been the “trial program” of allowing mexican trucking access to our Nation’s highways. I pray he does no more damage to America’s soverignty before he’s finally out of office. As for the “poor” ILLEGAL alien on the front page of MJM, she’ll soon be back at Shoppers food Warehouse with WIC vouchers after coaching sessions with Lyall, Steinbach, and Ricky.
Then, assuming that the NAU is in fact “real,” why is it that the true “Bush Haters” don’t have something to say about it?? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I am just so taken back that NO ONE (except for us little guys) is talking about it…neither for it nor against it. (????)
Good point, Freedom. This seems to be the best kept secret in town. I have been a doubting Thomas about it for that very reason.
How many people can Bush be in bed with? First Fox, now Calderon. How do the Canucks feel about all this? I cannot imagine how it would benefit any country but Mexico. The Candians I know are proudly sovereign.
oops CanAdians
Freedom,
I understand what you are saying. I see how it can be true and also be a conspiracy. I guess that before we find out(the hard way) that it is TRUE (after the fact) we should ask A LOT of QUESTIONS and the more attention to it the better. I think for both sakes of truth or conspiracy. It just seems that all is in place and makes a lot of sense in why our borders are not secure, etc…
see these links that we referred to on another thread: Thin Cover for the MJM
# /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 20 Nov 2007 at 12:06 pm:
I am worried about the North American Union. It has come to light recently for me and I see it in the works right now.
These are a few of the articles I have read about it:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_American_Union
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
I am afraid it is not only Bush, but others that see this as a need. If it is implemented, the illegal immigration issue disappears and we open the borders to many other attacks. I do not see how this will help any of the nations except Mexico. This will validate their citizens crossing the border illegally and help free up the routes for drugs and such to flow easier into the US. This is a real problem. In light of this, I see why Homeland Security is dragging its feet on the fence. Why spend money when they do not have to.
redawn said on 20 Nov 2007 at 1:40 pm:
/\/\3|)iç 64,
“What can we do? We are but a few and have no power to equal that of the gov’t.”
The only thing that I can think of is to start asking questions and demanding attention and answers!?
High-tech driver’s licences will be allowed at Border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB31g29Ib1Y
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
?????
THERE ARE OTHER LINKS on that thread…hope this helps..
I posted but it went into moderation as I copied and pasted a lot of different links form another thread.
Anyway,
Here is one video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB31g29Ib1Y
The democrats or “Bush haters” are in favor of the NAU. It’s part of their world government agenda where we take orders from the UN. The NAUers are modeling their plan on the European Union. That is what their goal is–no boundaries between Mexico, US and Canada.
I think people are worried to “bring it up or question it” because there is no solid proof or admission from our government and don’t want to look like a crack pot or a person on crack smoking pot…LOL
I would rather ask and ask then to find out later that it was true ( after the fact, “conspiracy” is a form of questioning / theory)
So Bush is secretly in bed with the Democrats? Nah…Not going to believe that one. If Bush is pushing NAU, I doubt that he and the Democrats are in collusion on it.
Well, Bush is in bed with the Dems regarding amnesty for illegal aliens, isn’t he? Or as they put it, “comprehensive immigration reform”.
The NAU is not a Dem/Republican issue just as illegal immigration is not a Dem/Rep issue.
oh, I have seen the links and am just as concerned as anyone…but if what we’re all kinda thinking is true, then we’re dead meat! If the Dems and Republicans are BOTH in on it, there’s nothing we can do…:(
Freedom,
I know. I also see that (if you believe in the Bible), it more or less describes this, so I really don’t know what one can do.( as in the one world rule, etc)
freedom said on 25 Nov 2007 at 6:51 pm:
Then, assuming that the NAU is in fact “real,” why is it that the true “Bush Haters” don’t have something to say about it?? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I am just so taken back that NO ONE (except for us little guys) is talking about it…neither for it nor against it. (????)
Check out Lou Dobbs on CNN at 7:00pm nightly. He has a lot to say about the tri-country “union” and has talked about it for many months. There are a few (but very few) members of congress opposing this plan. SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL!
Here is the “skinny” from NumbersUSA on the NAU. It is pretty extensive on how it came about and where the instigators of this plan want to go.
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/nationalsovereignty.html
The “official” cite for the SSP or NAU (whatever name you want to give it.)
http://www.spp.gov/
Yes, Vigilant1, I’ve seen his video too….but if not the ONLY one, he’s ALMOST the only one who’s talking about it. With all the politicians who oppose….or at least, claim to oppose illegal entry to this country…there are sooooo few that speak out about an orchestrated plan such as the NAU. Have we, as American citizens, become so completely controlled by and trusting of our government that we could be led into giving up our country like a herd of sheep?
If true, this is absolutely outrageous. I have long held, however, that the never-ending thirst for political correctness in this country would be our ruination. That is particularly worrisome in combination with punishments for what we say or even THINK about things.
We’ve even seen it here on BVBL…those who oppose, illegal entry to this country or those who opposed Faisal Gill in the HOD are quickly called “racists.” It’s almost like, if their skin is of a different color, acquiesce and give ‘em what they want or you’re a racist.
This is very troubling to me — perhaps we ARE “…like a herd of sheep.”
:(
Glenn Beck and Michael Savage have talked about the NAU.
Having strayed from the incarcerated illegal mom to the NAU,
(both topics are relevant), I would like to get back on track
here by reminding some of you of the many, many Black
(I refuse to use the African-American label) females who have
given birth time and time again to sometimes as many as 8
or 10 babies, all with different fathers. This is certainly not
meant to dismiss the seriousness of the JM subject; it is indeed
serious…a matter of grave concern to all of us, at least those
of us who are taxpayers. This applies also to the Black females
who make the choice to push their immoral and callous behavior off on our society. What of the white females (although not nearly the percentage as Black and Hispanics)
having babies out of wedlock who will ultimately reap the
benefits of our tax dollars? Have another baby, and the amount
of my check will increase!!
Indeed, there is our idiotic thirst for “political correctness”
which is taking our country down, and there is also a serious
lack of morality and it’s growing worse by the minute!
Howard Phillips website also has info on the NAU with video of Jerome Corsi who wrote the book on it: http://www.conservativeusa.org/
Chris Plante had Corsi on his show a few weeks ago on WMAL addressing the professor at (I believe) American University who promotes the NAU, but denied it on the show. Why, then, is the Superhighway being planned and Texans fighting the eminent domain going on, taking huge amounts of their land to build it? Google keywords and find numerous articles (but which mainstream media ignores).
It seems to at least explain why the illegal issue is not being dealt with and why both major parties are for open borders.
Every one of those children should be allowed to be adopted. There are so many people trying to adopt they could, if they tried, place them in two homes close by. I can’t imagine that two adoptive parents could not be found to agree to that.
gone fishing,
I agree with you. It really irritates me to see these poor families having so many children. I was driving home from work in south west d.c. the other day and saw children in the projects driving around 4-wheel ATV’s ! They were really nice ones too. Now how on earth could these people afford something like that? It’s either drugs or welfare one of the two.
Having children should be an exercise in responsiblity, not a way to line the pockets with money. The only one who looses out there are the children and it’s sad.
Not everyone who has ‘children out of wedlock’ is on the dole. I suppose I object to the pejorative term being used in 2007 when many women elect to bear a child without being married. These women support their child (children) and take nothing from anyone else. I know several and I have the greatest respect for their decision. It might not be MY way but who am I to judge.
Having said that, I do not disagree with those condemning women who continually have children who are doomed to poverty. No one gets rich off of welfare. While we are condemning, however, I would like to condemn the worthless sons of bitches who impregnate these women and then run out on them. No one goes on welfare if the sperm donor sticks around and at least helps support the child. So many don’t and this includes men who were married to the mother of their children.
This is all about responsibility and not about maritial status. I refuse to let the men off the hook.
NORTHERN VIRGINIA MEETINGS ON IMMIGRATION - the titles of the meetings infer they may be pandering to the illegal alien crowd:
November 29, 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
“Community Meeting on Immigration”
Sully Govt Center
4900 Stonecroft Boulevard
Chantilly, VA
The meeting, sponsored by Wellspring United Church of Christ, will be moderated by George Mason University professor Al Fuertes.
For more information call 703-527-4111.
December 1, 10:00 a.m. (please arrive by 9:30)
“How to do business with USCIS”
Cornerstone Evangelical Free Church
3901 Gallows Road, Annandale
The event is open to the first 350 people who reserve a spot.
Please RSVP by emailing: nationalafricanirc@yahoo.com or callling 703-439-9570.
Numbers USA is encouraging local Northern Virginians to attend the meetings.
For more information, please see the following link on Numbers USA:
http://www.numbersusa.com/meetings?ID=9249
Totally agree, Dolph….
My experience as a military pilot once stationed in Iceland has relevance here and some wisdom to offer on this thread.
Iceland had socialized medicine of the type and scale that many Democrats want to impose on our society and a social welfare system no person on this thread would wish on their worst enemy.
Iceland had income taxes approaching 40-50%, very little economic growth, and very few jobs. The society was pretty much stagnant, but the population growth was unusual.
A significant (20-40%?) number of babies were born to young mothers with no dads. (Icelandic girls, blonde, red headed, so race is not an issue here you can say is the fault of ANY ethnic group).
Every girl in Iceland past the age of 18 knew there were limited jobs, and the best way to get rich was to have at least 5 babies from different fathers, so the monthly support check from the government would equal a college graduate’s salary. This was enough for a small apartment and typical low-mid income family wages.
Girls would leave 2-3 babies on the street in carriages in 20-30 degree weather, while they had a beer with girlfriends, it was so common and so much an accepted part of the culture.
Interestingly the young men were blamed for “making” the babies, and the young mothers were “pitied and supported”. The society never held the girls accountable. The young women got alimony and palimony rights to a percentage of the boys paychecks, even if they had another family later in life affected by their lower income potential. Since the mother’s did not work (by choice), they knew the alimony and palimony would be higher if they remained unemployed. The young boys had no rights to raise any of these kids, even if they had the more stable home and higher salary.
The social system created by this phenomena of socialized medicine and socialized parental support system for young girls, created a support culture that never worked or made the overall society any richer, more competitive or smarter. There was negative growth in the overall productivity of the country for years and everything was incredibly expensive, just like in Russia, because their was no incentive to work and produce and create profitable competitive businesses, since everything these young women needed in life was free for the taking if you knew how to use the social system to your advantage.
This situation has not become that extreme here in our country yet, but we are headed down that path with “Hillary”, as our current “social” leaders, rather than “technical” leaders are of the same “gender” and political bent as the “social” leaders in Iceland that created their problem.
I do not know if they finally realized their mistake and corrected it yet, that was over 25 years ago.
Dolph, you are absolutely correct in that the sumbitches should
not be let off the hook, but let’s face it…most of them vanish
into the woodwork like the cockroaches they are, leaving their
off-spring to be fed, clothed, housed and educated by the tax-
paying public. I suppose I used the wrong term when I spoke
of “unwed mothers”, for I too know of some professional women who have opted to have children (clocks ticking, etc.)
however, those women provide for their children instead of
asking for hand-outs from the gov’t. There’s something to be
said about those women who have made that choice. It’s a
shame that adoption has been made almost impossible for
single women, so many of them with the financial means to
provide well for children. It is only an opinion when I say that
children are better off having both a mother and a father in the
home. I realize there are circumstances which prevent this
so without digressing, it is the women who are giving birth
time after time (babies sired by various fathers) that burn my
feathers. I have a simple solution, but it would be soooo
politically incorrect to mention it here!
Dolph your hatred of men is obvious. Why not let these young men have a right to raise their own child too? It is an unjustified bias that only the mother makes a good parent, and another abusive bias that only the man is responsible for pregnancy. If this statement is not true then the term for that is rape. I believe men and women should each be accountable for raising their child, in separate homes if necessary. Women have abused this hatred of men as “wallet” fathers, far to long to be allowed to contiune to hate and abuse all men in this way. Your comments support the truth of this abusive language. I think the child should go to the home with the highest income and potential for best care for that child.. You cannot tell me that men and women don’t have equal capacity for love. And I don’t buy the “nursing” argument, it has been proven wrong in far too many cases.
Gone Fishing,
I totally agree with you. I believe your simple solution and my simple solution are probably one in the same.
Ditto on the abusive bias for Gone Fishing.
Michael, Michael, Michael,
Now how did you arrive at the falsehood that I hate men? Snicker! Snicker!
Surely you are familiar with the term ‘dead beat dad?’ Hmmmm…I wonder where that expression comes from?
If you think, as Gone Fishing so succintly put it, some of these ‘cockroaches’ want to raise a child, then I have ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
I made the statements I made because all the condemnation up to the point I posted had been directed to the welfare mamas poppin’ babies. Takes 2 to make that happen.
The fact that you turned me into a man hater because I want men to assume responsibility for their off-spring makes me wonder if you are behind with YOUR child support. That suggestion is no more of a quantum leap than yours.
Michael, I fail to see anything that Dolph has posted would
constitute your labeling her a “man hater”. As for your ditto
to me, well, I can only let you know that I do not hate myself.
I believe you know quite well who we were discussing in our
comments.
Dolph, yep, our simple solutions probably run in the exact same direction! Wouldn’t it be grand?
Michael,
Thanks for the post about Iceland. It was fascinating. I share your fears about Hillary.
I wonder if this one is legal:
A Manassas Park man was arrested after allegedly sexually assaulting a woman Monday evening.
Police say a Manassas woman, 22, reported that she was walking in the 7600 block of Glenolden Place when a man attacked her.
The suspect, armed with knife, threatened the woman and pushed her to the ground. The attacker then inappropriately touched the victim and exposed himself to her.
Police said the attacker fled the scene after the victim began yelling for help.
The victim suffered lacerations on her arms and was treated at the hospital.
A look-out was broadcast and a patrol officer located the suspect. Diego Antonio Galindo Cabrera, 28 , of100 Adam Street, Manassas Park, was charged with abduction, attempted rape and malicious wounding.
He is being held without bond in the Prince William-Manassas regional jail. His court date is Jan. 7.
I found these 2 letters to the editor quite interesting.
The first one is true in more ways than one ( in my opinion and what I tried to describe above)
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353632496&path=!opinion
AND
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353643264&path=!opinion