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Today’s Homework: “Why George Bush Sucks”

By Greg L | 27 November 2007 | Prince William County | 113 Comments

Apparently there’s something new in the curriculum of the Prince William County School System of which I was previously unaware:

[George Bush] is openly Christian and ties his religion too much to his politics. The USA is about equal representation and diversity. We need to work VERY hard on making people other religions feel like they are welcome in our culture. 9/11 and the backlash by anti-western fundamentalists is proof of this. Occupying another nation is NOT the best way to do this.

This little gem of political commentary is courtesy of the blog “llbbl.com”, where a printout of a post entitled “10 reasons why George Bush is a bad president” was given to students by a Social Studies teacher at Rippon Middle School yesterday.  Despite vast opportunities to engage students with the wealth of responsible political commentary that is available, this teacher dumpster-dove into this intellectual cesspool which offers “[George Bush] vacations alot (sic), which means he is lazy. He expects other people to the job for him. He always looks to blame other people for his mistakes.”

I have to wonder just what standard of learning this diatribe of leftist demagoguery is supposed to promote.  What I don’t have to wonder about is the reaction of some of the parents of these children, who are absolutely outraged that this is happening.  Here’s one parent’s reaction:

I did not care what the assignment was or even if there was one, this is not the kind of information I want my hard earned tax dollars to pay for. I do not care about this teachers mis-guided, untrue, socialistic views and he should not be teaching them. If this is the kind of education Prince William County schools are delivering, its either time to leave Prince William or put people in office who actually will do something and get the conservative base in this county to get off their Butts.

A spanish teacher in Manassas City was indoctrinating her students in leftist ideology instead of teaching earlier this year, and resigned under pressure.  The PWCPS website links to some of the weirdest liberal propaganda one could imagine.  Now teachers in Woodbridge are sending students home with printouts that say things like this:

[George Bush’s] enviromental (sic) policy sucks. He thinks drilling in Alaska Artic (sic) preserve is ok. He thinks less restrictions on pollution is ok. He has made no effort to address the Kyoto treaty.

No wonder parents in Virginia home school at a higher rate than many other states.  Is the Board of Education listening here?  Hello?

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  1. anon said on 27 Nov 2007 at 1:30 pm:
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    What assignment went with that hand out? What SOL objective was it tied to?

    That is the key. If the above 2 questions cannot be answered satisfactorily, then every parent has the right, no, make that duty, to call the principal. Learning should be non partisan.

    I don’t like painting the entire school system with one broad brush. There are always going to be teachers who make unwise decisions in a system that has over 72,000 students. It is the law of probability. Anyone reading this blog would surmise that our neighborhoods are trash, our schools are trash, our roads are trash. No mention of the hundreds of social studies teachers out there doing a great job.

  2. park'd said on 27 Nov 2007 at 1:44 pm:
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    I agree. GW is the worst President BAR NONE this country has EVER had. History will also see it that way. The man is incompetent in every aspect and has accomplished nothing in 7 years except the enrichment of his corporate pals and the devastation of the middle class and American culture.

    That being said, the schools are the LAST place where a person’s political or religious beliefs should be aired. It is also very poor form to try to indoctrinate our youth in the form of a homework assignment. A proper homework assignment would have been one where the teacher asked the students to list 10 reasons why they think he is a bad President OR a good President and then discuss the results with the class afterwards to see where the majority lies. The teacher must always remain neutral with something like this, regardless of their true feelings towards the man.

  3. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Nov 2007 at 1:46 pm:
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    If we do not do something to correct the leftward slide of our public education system, our society is all but doomed. In addition to this liberal clap-trap, almost daily we hear of another teacher who is engaged in a physical relationship with a student. It happens even more than what the liberal press reports: http://badbadteacher.com/

  4. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 1:53 pm:
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    I wouldn’t classify this a leftish. It’s just wrong. It’s also a big leap from bad president discussions to physical relationships????

    Wonder what they said about Bill Clinton.

  5. patryart said on 27 Nov 2007 at 1:57 pm:
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    This may be a little of subject (no pun intended…really) but, boy am I glad we are homeschooling our 5 children. The webmaster that maintains the http://www.pwcs.edu/Curriculum/multicultural/resources.html website must have attended PWC schools and learned to spell phonetically. Their motto must be “As long as you give it your best shot, it’s OK.” What a heading for the webpage.


    I have always spelled it RESOURCES. Guess I was wrong. Oh well…..

  6. Rick Bentley said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:00 pm:
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    It’s intellectually lazy garbage ..so is most of what this President pumps at us though. The real outrage is not freedom of speech in schools. It’s a President who lacks the honesty to declare a war on Islamo-fascism, then gets people claiming we are at war with “terror” (and can beat it down with shock and awe). The nation is so colectively confused, we don’t even know who or what we’re fighting. And a President who fights like heck on behalf of his rich friends to push amnesty through.

    He is beyond abysmal. He is, as far as I am concerned, a traitor.

  7. Rick Bentley said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:03 pm:
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    Freedom of speech is not indoctrination. Many of you who ostensibly fight “political correctness” just want to implement your own asinine orthidoxy.

    Can schoolkids read or write obvious things such as : Santa Claus isn’t real? Jesus Christ didn’t rise from the dead? George W Bush is an intellectually lazy, reckless boob? If not, why not? Why is some speech problematical for you?

  8. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:07 pm:
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    We are too late. The school has already brainwashed the last 2 generations and there isn’t anything we can do about it. Everything has to be Politically Correct now so little Johnny’s feelings aren’t hurt.

    BS BS BS!!!!!!!!! Hurt little Johnny’s feelings because it is a CRUEL world out there and not everyone is going to care about his fragile disposition. The more we have to walk on egg shells the worse it is going to get.

    Teachers are suppose to teach and CHALLENGE young minds not brainwash them because they do not feel compelled to support the President. I think any teacher that starts to go this route, should be removed immediately and replaced with one that will be neutral. That is the only way this is going to be changed.

  9. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:07 pm:
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    “GW is the worst President BAR NONE this country has EVER had.”

    Too young to remember Jimmy Carter? How about the “misery index”? Gas shortages? Double digit inflation? Double digit intrest rates? Iran hostage crisis?

    While I can agree that Bush has been been a disapointment in some areas (immigration, growth of government), he’s been very effective in others (tax-cuts, economic stimulis post 9/11). I voted for him twice. When I get pissed about something he has done or failed to do andask myself why I did so, I remember who I voted against. Can you imagine the state of our economy if Eco-nut Al Gore had been elected? How would you like to have a traitor like John Kerry leading this nation during war-time? You think we are up to our ears in illegals with Bush, imagine what things would be like with either of these two lefties as president.

  10. MP Resident said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:10 pm:
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    Interestingly, none of the 10 reasons mention anything about his immigration policies. I guess that might be, to the author of that piece, his one redeeming quality.

  11. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:11 pm:
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    Forgot one Batson, Panama Canal give away!!! I wouldn’t want to think about the immigration problem if Kerry or Gore had made it in!!!

    Obviously there wouldn’t be one since they would let all have immediate citizenship!

  12. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:17 pm:
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    “Forgot one Batson, Panama Canal give away!!! ”

    Good catch. Forgot that one. Also, can we forget who appoved/favored/pushed port management deals for ChiCom companies at the ports at both ends of the canal?

    Bush gets bashed for Dubai Ports, and Clinton gets a pass for advocating on behlaf of a Red Chinese company securing port management contracts at noth ends of one of the most strategic waterways in the world. I wonder how many camapign contributions he got for this. I wonder if they continue today. Needless to say, when we eventually go to war with China (and we will), we will have to fight to secure the Panama canal, if the Chinese don’t destroy the ports and locks before we push them out.

  13. Turn PW Blue said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:23 pm:
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    From the Virginia Standards of Learning (SOL) for 7th Grade History and Social Science:

    HSS.7.3 The student will compare the election process at the local, state, and national levels of
    government, with emphasis on

    -nomination and promotion of candidates for elective office;
    -similarities and differences between the major political parties;
    -voter turnout;
    -evaluating accuracy of campaign advertising; and
    -distinguishing between reporting, analysis, and editorializing in the media, and recognition of bias.

    Is it possible this was distributed as part of a lesson on distinguishing between reporting, analysis, and editorializing in the media, and recognition of bias?

    I’ll be one of the first to say that if it’s not part of such a lesson, it has no place in the classroom. Schools are for teaching the critical thinking skills needed for success in life, not for indoctrinating with political beliefs and ideologies. But, absent any context, it really is impossible to know whether distributing this list falls into a “good” or “bad” category. Heck, for all we know, the list may have been distributed then accompanied by the statement, “Look at this leftist propaganda! George Bush is the savior of our nation, and we should stand behind the President in all that he does.”

  14. Rick Bentley said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:25 pm:
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    Neither Bush nor Carter was fit for the office.

  15. Billyboy said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:47 pm:
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    I voted for Bush twice and regret it, but I then I think about Algore and John Kerry and don’t regret it as much. Either way teachers get paid to teach facts, not opinions. This teacher should be fired at once.

  16. Concerned in Woodbridge said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:52 pm:
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    Even if this was distributed as part of a lesson on the media, it is over the top. The left has a funny way of sneaking things like this into the classroom and then claiming that it is “an educational tool”.

    As a parent of a Rippon Middle School student, I will be looking into this to see where and why it was used and what the point was.

  17. Dolph said on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:10 pm:
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    Very good point, Turn PW Blue. Material such as described could easily fit in to the curriculum IF it were presented as propaganda. I don’t like to go off on a tear unless I know the whole story. Much seems to have been omitted.

    My granddaughter brought a homework sheet over very similar to one that a national cable news show had been howling about. It was perfectly acceptable given the assignment. The point was for students to answer at home (strongly agree to strongly disagree) and to bring in their sheet the next day to determine if they were more Democrat or Republican. It fit right into the 7th grade curriculum. It did not indoctrinate, but it did help students assess where on the political spectrum their beliefs lay.

  18. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:10 pm:
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    The point is, almost every president does something that pisses off the country. In a environment that as polarized as today’s, a president is assured of pissing off at least half of the country, most of the time. To say this one is the worst, or that one sucks shows a lack of historical perspective. People praise FDR for leadership during wartime, but forget that economists and historians have proven that the New Deal actually prolonged the Great Depression. Johnson’s “war on poverty” accomplished nothing, and he got us deeply engaged in a war against a defeatable enemy, but hamstrung the military to the point where victory was impossible. Nixon got us out of the war, but left the office in disgrace. Ford didn’t do anything spectacular, but no one moans about him being bad either. Carter, not my fav, but he did bring peace between Israel and Egypt, which is comendable considering that Egypt of 60’s and 70’s was the leader of the Arab world.

    Truely great presidents, like Lincoln and Jefferson, and my favorite T. R. are not plentiful in our history, but I am sure that they had their contemporary detractors too.

    It seems like things have gotten worse as time has gone on, because Americans look to the government to solve their problems, instead of self-reliance and rugged individualism, we expect government to have all the answers.

    Like the Congress is getting anything done either? The Fed is a mess. It has become so swollen and ineffective that it can’t even accomplish the basic tasks of government. It’s not the President’s fault. It is our fault. People deserve the government that they get, if they elect it, or put up with its foolishness.

  19. Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp said on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:17 pm:
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    I have another book you’d probably like to read, by the esteemed Charles Sykes, called “50 Rules Kids Won’t Learn in School”. Sykes was the fellow who wrote the original “10 Things You Won’t Learn In School”, which has been forwarded via email time and time again as a supposed commencement speech by Bill Gates. Here’s a link to the original list:


    The book is awesome. It deconstructs things like zero-tolerance policies, self-esteem and self-actualization prioritizing, obesity, et al. Great read.

  20. Rick Bentley said on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:18 pm:
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    Remember Bill Clinton? Great President.

  21. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:29 pm:
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    “Remember Bill Clinton? Great President.”

    Don’t even go there. I am not going to even mention that he lied under oath, and got a BJ while discussing a troop deployment to Bosnia. That’s not what pissed me off, or did real damage to the US.

    It was Bill Clinton who sold us out to the ChiComs in Panama. It was Bill Clinton who sold the Lincoln bedroom to supporters laundering ChiCom money, in exchange for giving technology to the ChiComs that greatly increased the accuracy of their nukes…nukes that are pointed at us/ It was Bill Clinton who failed to get OBL when offerred on a silver platter.

    I remember Somalia.

  22. Lafayette said on 27 Nov 2007 at 4:00 pm:
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    I just talked to the “Queen of Lafayette”, and she said that she did this same 10 question quiz last year in the class room. The students were given a blue or red card based on their answers, and then the determined their party. The teachers in no way made their personal beliefs know to the students, and there was no discussion. I’d like to add she said she felt all of her teachers at SMS kept their beliefs out of the classroom. I was very pleased to hear this. I just thought some positive feedback might do some good.

    /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:07 pm:
    BS BS BS!!!!!!!!! Hurt little Johnny’s feelings because it is a CRUEL world out there and not everyone is going to care about his fragile disposition. The more we have to walk on egg shells the worse it is going to get.

    100% agreement here. PC is a big part of what’s got us in the mess we are in today in our great nation. The world is indeed CRUEL. Children today are being brought up with this “warm and fuzzy feel good” attitude. With that being said what will become of this generation when they are in the “dog eat dog” world? Life is not a FAIRY TALE, and so why mislead our children into thinking life is?

  23. Rick Bentley said on 27 Nov 2007 at 4:33 pm:
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    I don’t want my tax dollars going to teach evolution …

    or that there are gay people in the world …

    or that Bush is considered a ridiculous figure by many …

    etc. etc. …

    or that the earth isn’t flat and the sun isn’t pulled around it by God’s angels …

  24. Maureen Wood said on 27 Nov 2007 at 4:57 pm:
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    I don’t think this particular piece was appropriate for ANY reason.

    1st- A lot of parents frown on their kids using the word suck, so why should we tolerate a teacher using it? 2nd- Did anyone notice the comments on this post? There are definitely four letter words used that I would wash my kids mouth out with soap for. I’m sure the teacher didn’t print the comment section for this, but the print-out more than likely has the web address on it.

    The teacher could have used any number of different examples to get their point across. Why did it happen to be something that belittle’s a sitting president? Because they wanted to point out all the “bad” stuff Bush has done, in their eyes.

    There are many things that Bush has done to piss me off and most of the time I do think he is a moron, but I would never do something like this at school.

    Someone must know who this teacher is. Why isn’t their name out there? Maybe it is one of our Liberal friends from MWB.

  25. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:11 pm:
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    Batson, Don’t forget it was Clinton that did nothing when the towers were attacked the first time. It was Clinton that did nothing when a Navy warship was attacked (USS Cole). It was Clinton that did nothing when military barracks were attacked. Don’t get me started with him.

  26. Lafayette said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:14 pm:
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    As of January 2, 2008 the PWCSB will allow citizens to sign up to speak prior to the meeting starting. This is how it should’ve been all along. I certainly don’t like the fact they feel they deserve to know your topic before you speak. Well, perhaps this “New Procudure” will get more parents involved and down to Indpendent Hill to address their concerns direct to the entire School Board. New Release is here..

  27. Lafayette said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:15 pm:
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    DIRECTLY to the entire..

  28. Elem.Teacher said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:36 pm:
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    Believe me, there is no leftist clap-trap in MY classroom.
    I agree with Batson that the worst president I is JIMMY CARTER. Do you remember how depressing it was? I am bitterly disappointed in Bush for failing to secure the borders. Please don’t believe that all teachers are leftwing nuts.

  29. Anonymous said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:37 pm:
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    He only asked for ten
    That’s too easy

  30. anon said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:37 pm:
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    Finally citizens are allowed to speak without going through the grand inquisition. I guess the new Chairman is making some changes….let us hope that there is more where this came from.

    As to the assignment, there is no reason children should be doing an assignment that belittles and is disrespectful towards a sitting President. Although I did not support Bill Clinton, I would have never supported any part of a middle school curriculum that diminished the office of the President of the United States of America.

    We can teach freedom of speech without teaching disrespectful behavior. In the same way, would that same teacher be okay with a student saying “Here are the 10 reasons I think you suck as a teacher” I don’t think so.

  31. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 5:58 pm:
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    Lafayette, I do not treat my girls with PC gloves. They get it straight right from the start. I have been ridiculed for charging my 18 y/o rent. She has a job and lives in my home. She is getting her GED partially because the school system failed to recognize a learning disability until it was too late. They kept advancing her because of the no child left behind. Don’t get me started with that program either. I do not feel it is inappropriate to teach my daughter that life costs money and you have to budget your funds accordingly. I do not need the money from the rent. It goes into a fund for emergencies and is not spent unless there is one. I just feel that young adults need to learn that you can not coast in life. You have to pay as you go. I want her to learn bills have to be paid before fun times can be had.

  32. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:00 pm:
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    Worst president — let’s go back further…. Hoover was mighty awful. Carter was awful, but Hoover was awful and mean.

  33. Chris Royse said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:01 pm:
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    Please out the teacher, you can send me a personal email if you don’t want to do it here.

    My oldest son was selected into the math/science program at that school so I’d like to know if this person is teaching him or has any influence over the at large civics program there.

    I would also like to know if it is the same one that told the class “everyone has the right to live where they want” and silenced my son when he attempted to counter by speaking against illegal immigration.

  34. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:04 pm:
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    Medic64 - you set a good example in many ways with that last post. I also think you are teaching that life isn’t always fair and you can either blame or move on.

    Thank you.

  35. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:12 pm:
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    I am also trying to get her to understand that you can not hold onto the past. Move on it will be OK to let it go. If you continue to pick at a sore, it will never heal.

    She didn’t like the idea of paying rent because her “friends” didn’t have to. I sat her down and explained to her why it was being done. I also asked her if she felt her friends parents were doing them justice by handing everything to them and not making them understand, while they are at home and can overcome mistakes easier, the value of a budget and how to budget money to get what you want.

    She understands and has thanked me for it.

  36. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:15 pm:
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    Nice job. She will be so thankful in the future. You are an inspiration and should have many credits in heaven (or other) :)

  37. Dolph said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:19 pm:
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    If you go to the school website you can narrow it down to 4 teachers. The assignment had to come out of a 7th grade social studies class.


  38. Ken Bassett said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:27 pm:
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    If I knew the name of the teacher who may have used this blog in his/her lesson, I would be happy to look into it. You and your readers should know that PWCS teachers are expected to teach the PWCS curriculum- not pontificate on their own political views to a captive audience. They are also expected to teach students how to analyze information, separate fact from opinion, and take and defend positions. Those same skills would benefit those who might be inclined to jump to conclusions about the quality of our curriculum without having more information than what was posted here today.

    Some of the comments here reflect a great deal of ignorance about what is going on in our classrooms. We have students who work on political campaigns in both parties, volunteer at the polls, participate in voter registration activities, write editorials to local papers, and engage in the democratic process in a number of positive ways. I believe that is a result of great parenting, wonderful civic organizations like the Scouts, our churches, AND excellent teaching in our schools. I invite anyone interested to go visit a classroom at your neighborhood school. I think you will like what you see.

    If you have specific concerns about the PWC history and social science curriculum, don’t just whine about it, DO SOMETHING. Call my office at 703-791-8175 or e-mail me at bassetke@pwcs.edu. Get involved in our community. Make a positive difference, not just a fuss.

    Ken Bassett
    PWCS History and Social Science Supervisor K-12

  39. Dolph said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:27 pm:
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    The guy responsible for the first World Trade Center attack is in prison. Also, the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon was during the Reagan Administration.

    We can all go on and on as to who is the best and who is the worst. I question if many of you all are really old enough to remember Kenndy, Johnson, Nixon and Carter in office.

  40. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:31 pm:
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    Will anyone reply to Mr. Bassett? Greg, do you know who the teacher is? If so, I think there is responsibilty to provide him with the information publicly. At this point, it’s all about integrity.

  41. Homeschool Mom of 2 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:43 pm:
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    I am so glad I homeschool!

  42. anon said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:53 pm:
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    Mr. Bassett will do his own homework. He will contact the principal of Rippon and find out what is going on, if he hasn’t already.

    I think his point was to not feed on gossip brought about by what might very well be a disgruntled student or parent. The proper procedure for the parent of the student receiving the hand out would have been to call the building principal over concerns, rather than handling the apparent problem as it was handled.

    I consider his words a spanking.

  43. Michael said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:55 pm:
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    This troubles me that “certain legalistic christian adults who have a particular religious and political view of the world” want to regulate that view for all others and to determine what kids are allowed and not allowed to form their own opinions on. Was this a first grade class or a high school class? That fact makes a difference.

    What is wrong with kids responding intelligently to bad political dribble? What if you assume incorrectly that the teacher is brainwashing them somehow? What if you don’t have all the facts and are making judgmental assumptions that don’t correctly interpret reality, but twist and distort the truth to favor your own personal bias and twisted religious viewpoint?

    Shall we regulate the contents of our textbooks with only words the fearful and angry members (excluding the kind and merciful) of the religious right only want them to see? Shall we create a society of parrots who can’t think for themselves and only follow what is allowed by the religious doctrine of how many “thousands” of different doctrines, personal opinions, rantings of angry politically inclined,

    Or should we let children of thinking age think for themselves by doing homework to discover the facts and debate among themselves what is right and wrong with our society. Maybe they will be the generation that fixes it for those of us who can’t see past our own personal opinion of how the world should be.

    I have an opinion. The kids are entitled to an opinion.
    My opinion is that people lie a lot. President’s lie a lot. Religious zealot Presidents, may not lie anymore than everyone else, but they definately favor decisions that are fearful of any religion other than their own. People of these same religious, gender, racial, and ethnic group alignments, lie a lot and they fear a lot. They even take it one step further and HATE a lot. Christians who don’t yet understand it or don’t get it are not immune from HATRED and ANGER. They fear a lot and they try to control the rest of society a lot. If you don’t follow a particular gender, ethnic, racial or religious doctrine, you are the enemy and need to be repressed, flogged, blogged and punished for your transgressions. GW actually has been a bad President and the majority of the people in the US have formed this opinion, democrats and republicans alike. A lot of people recognize that inability to eventually create peace in the face of war, and to create friends out of enemies by treating human with respect and mutual dignity (while removing and killing bad leaders who create wars in the first place), is the only way to prevent never-ending war zones between countries. Bush has been a bad President because he has failed to do this after cutting off the head of the warmonger to solve the first problem, but cannot get over his religious fear to solve the second more human problem of how do we learn to get along. This fundamental social problem is encountered by every kid who has ever defended her brother or his sister from the class bully. If you have the right character you figure out how to live peacefully with that person.

    Twisting the truth for political effect never solves the fundamental issues.

  44. Michael said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:58 pm:
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    Ken Basset you are my hero! You get it where others fall far short of adult common sense.

  45. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 7:02 pm:
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    There have been several of these ’situations’ where we don’t really get the facts. I considered this a spanking as well and am anxiously awaiting the response. I recall accusations that Sen. Watkins had employed illegal immigrants few months ago and we never got the facts on that one either.

    Political commentary is one thing, accusations are another. Accusations must be accompanied by facts. (to be taken seriously, that is!)

    I am sure Mr. Bassett will carry out his responsibilities…….

  46. monticup said on 27 Nov 2007 at 7:13 pm:
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    Jimmy Carter was the worst president of the 20th century. Quite possibly the worst in US history. No one comes close. Not even LBJ.
    His weakness in the face of Islamic terrorists laid the groundwork for our current problems with radical Islam.

  47. One Voice said on 27 Nov 2007 at 7:33 pm:
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    Mr. Monticup - I learned from you today. (JFK and Mental Institutions..on the Lingemfelter blog).

    Looks like I am learning again about LBJ and Muslims. I will have to do some research on this.


  48. CitizenofManassas said on 27 Nov 2007 at 8:37 pm:
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    A bit off topic but it still concerns PW public schools. I love the last paragraph….


  49. Dolph said on 27 Nov 2007 at 8:52 pm:
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    It sounds like they need to get that little oooopppps cleared up before implementing the program.

    Actually, it is rather simple to solve. The parent can wait in the office if they have no picture ID. I would hope that exceptions would not be made. All children should be dismissed early that way regardless. I don’t like the idea of people having access all over a building without a reason.

  50. CitizenofManassas said on 27 Nov 2007 at 9:03 pm:
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    I’m sure they will bend over backward once again for the illegals. But, remember, illegals just want to be treated like everyone else, and they do not receive any special treatment.

    I go into schools(multiple districts) on occasion for work, and they all pretty much have the same visitor policy.

  51. Vigilant1 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 9:43 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 27 Nov 2007 at 2:11 pm:
    Forgot one Batson, Panama Canal give away!!! I wouldn’t want to think about the immigration problem if Kerry or Gore had made it in!!!

    How about Carter turning his back on the Shah of Iran which lead to the taking over of our embassy and it’s personnel. Look where we are today with Iran. Thanks, Jimmy! You are still #1 but GW is gaining on you as worst of the worst.

  52. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:28 pm:
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    Dolph, though I do not remember Kennedy (I was not born yet), I DO know that his poll numbers were dropping and he was VERY unpopular as a president, that is why he went on his “tour of America” to try to rally the voters to his cause. Kennedy was then elevated to martyr status after his assassination.

    Nixon, well he actually did a pretty darn good job, for a moderate. It was Nixon who got us out of Kennedy’s/Johnson’s War…pretty darn impressive considering the Congress he was working with (or against). And just as Kennedy’s stock went up after he was shot, Nixon’s plummeted after his fall from grace. And who here can say what Nixon did was worse than ANYTHING that Clinton did.

    Speaking of Clinton (and Carter)…name me something good THEY did. Thing is, you can’t. Carter all but gutted the military and was a disgrace to the Naval Academy. In typical Liberal fashion, he ran as a Conservative and governed as a Liberal. Look at what he is doing now and he truly did choose the right profession (nuts). Clinton…if EVER there was someone unfit for office, it is he. Besides being a traitor (organizing protests in Moscow while our men were dying in Viet Nam) the man led not by example (Teddy Roosevelt), nor by integrity (Ronald Reagan) but by POLLS. But what would you expect from a man who actually answered, “Boxers or Briefs?”

    Oh let’s not forget Stansfield Turner and his reign of error as head of the CIA during Carter!!! If you want to read an excellent book on our President’s (written by a WashPo reporter, nonetheless) read “Inside the White House.” Though no fan of Reagan, I have to admit that the author shows ZERO political bias in his writings.

  53. monticup said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:28 pm:
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    One Voice–That’s what we’re here for, to learn. Just to clarify–Carter ’s weakness and dithering re: Iran is the foundation for the resurgence of today’s Islamofascism. LBJ did other bad things.

  54. monticup said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:31 pm:
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    John Light–JFK was in over his head and was making a fine mess of things. His assassination made him a martyr and people forgot just how bad he was.

  55. Dave in PWC said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:33 pm:
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    Jimmy Carter did do one good thing, he gave the military an 11.8% pay raise one year and a 13.4% pay raise the next year and also raised sea pay from $7 - $22 a month to more realistic values as well as tripling sub pay. I went to a basic electronics school in San Diego with some Iranian Naval officers when the Shah was deposed and they were selling everything and heading back home to be killed or imprisoned by the Ayatollah. We convinced some of them to go to Tijuana instead.

    What JC didn’t do to get our people back for so long was just too much to take for us in the military at the time. We were to the point where we were saying really bad things about our President which shocked some of the old Chiefs and Officers. Met Reagan a couple of years later when we were going to shoot a test missile, he came onboard to pull the trigger (just like the music video by Phil Collins I think) and as we pulled out, the Russians shot down that Korean (I think) passenger jet and we turned around went back to the pier and off went Uncle Ronnie.

  56. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:40 pm:
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    Michael said on 27 Nov 2007 at 6:55 pm:

    Ok, it is obvious that he is intimidated by Bush because Bush is a good Christian. Maybe Michael has issues with Christians because we believe that we are accountable for our actions and that does not make Michael feel good. Take a pill, Michael, or, better yet, sit down and actually read the Bible with an open mind…you might learn something.

    Here is the deal with many, but not all, teachers. Our children (up through High School) really do not have the knowledge to debate either on world history or world politics because, unless they are homeschooled or have attended a VERY good private school (or military brat) they are taught what the liberals want to feed to them. And, if you disagree with the teacher, you can kiss the “A” good bye in THAT class. This is ESPECIALLY true at the college level.

    Those who did not have a pair in the 60s did one of two things, went to law school or became teachers (mostly at Universities). The NEA (National Education Association) has done MUCH more harm than good to our nation’s youth.

    All this being said, a good number of teachers ARE doing the right thing and while the vast majority of them will probably side with the politics of reporters over the knowledge of the military, it really is just a few that do very stupid things. If you really are concerned as to what little Johnny is learning, attend School Board meetings, ask to review history books or science books. Don’t just sit back and do nothing but complain on blogs, actually get involved.

    But most of all, there is ONLY ONE teacher that REALLY has an impact on ANY child, and that is YOU, THE PARENT. Lead by example, engage in civil debate and let the child make up his own mind…you just might be surprised at the outcome.

  57. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:41 pm:
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    monticup said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:31 pm:
    “John Light–JFK was in over his head and was making a fine mess of things. His assassination made him a martyr and people forgot just how bad he was.”

    Gee, I thought Marlyn Monroe was “in over his head” - oops, did I say that :-)

  58. Kenton Ngo said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:42 pm:
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    I find it entertaining that the very crowd that rails against Political Correctness wants the schools to protect their young from such horrible, horrible speech.

    “As to the assignment, there is no reason children should be doing an assignment that belittles and is disrespectful towards a sitting President.”

    I’m sorry, I find nothing more constructive to democracy than stinging criticism. If anything, our schools should be teaching dissent towards all sides, and instill healthy skepticism. Voters will believe anything shoved in front of them, especially when served with a heaping helping of fearmongering.

    The fact of the matter is that no matter how low-level on either side, intellectually lazy discourse exists. Why shield people from it, when our schools could take the opportunity to teach them to take it apart? No context is provided here, I highly doubt that this was an “indoctrination session,” snippets of discourse are almost always presented as case studies. Would anyone here be happier had the teacher fed them clips from Pat Robertson or Ann Coulter? Does anyone here want to argue that the level of discourse Coulter promotes is higher than a blogger pointing out Bush’s ties to the evangelical Christian movement? The Christian Right is a major force in politics, and civics classes shouldn’t shy away from examining its impact.

    I went to public schools. I don’t know how long it’s been since anyone here was on the inside of a public school, but the public schools are not one giant Liberal Indoctrination Gulag. The Christian Right, for example, is well-established in many schools. Mormons have tried to convert me. I had a history teacher in middle school who was a big Democrat. Should he have hidden his political views? Absolutely not.

    Why not? There is bias integrated into every single word uttered by any human being. You can’t rail against political correctness and be outraged here. It’s not up to YOU to decide what’s political correctness and what is not. Clamping down on this kind of speech fits the definition of Political Correctness to a T. Let free speech be swamped by more free speech. To pretend that there is a such thing as objectivity is false.

    Teacher too liberal? Let the students fight them. What, are we going to let them run home to mommy and whine about how life’s so unfair? Funny–I thought anti-PC advocates would be against such a thing. What good are beliefs if you won’t argue them?

    Now I will admit that I have never had a staunch Republican for a teacher, but I would be willing to say that such an experience would’ve added to my education.

    Schools should be training for the intellectual battlegrounds of tomorrow. In the real world, political discourse is sink or swim. You can be in favor of political correctness taking the edge off discourse or not, it’s not up to you to call “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!” when simply convenient.

  59. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:43 pm:
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    Dave in PWC - I BELIEVE it was KAL 007.

    Oh, one more reason to vote for Ronnie…he fired all the striking Air Traffic Controllers.

  60. ateacher said on 27 Nov 2007 at 11:07 pm:
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    Hmmmm….you suggest that because I am a teacher that I might side with the politics of reporters over the knowledge of the military? What? I cant’t say I have ever given credence to reporters, and I am also a military brat, and a current teacher. I spent my years from 1970 to 1975 living within spitting distance of the Berlin Wall. We did not live on post, we lived in the town so to speak, and I clearly remember being harassed by the locals. By harassed, I mean physically. I also remember that there were many times that I went out to play on the playground only to find it surrounded by well armed soldiers. Yet as a young child, this was my status quo. I lived overseas for the first 16 years of my life. I did not arrive back in the good ol’ USA until I was 16 years old…and wasn’t THAT the biggest culture shock of my life! My father was a career soldier, and even after he retired from active service, the powers that be in the ARMY found plenty of work for him to do as a contractor. My brother is currently in the ARMY, and slated to come home from his 2nd tour within the next ten days. Funny thing is, is my family one is either military OR a teacher, and sometimes BOTH. And yet, NONE of us bother to listen to what reporters have to say.

  61. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 11:08 pm:
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    Ok, now THIS should make BOTH sides happy - lol. I just clicked on the link in Greg’s article and let me just say, “Thank you Bush Bashers on BVBL for at LEAST being civil in your attacks and incorrect assertions!!!”. The “Bush Bashers” at that other website, well, I just have to wonder how proud their parent’s would be of them reading the foul language and horrible grammar.

    When I see blogs and the readers who read them, I judge that blog based on the intelligence of the arguments laid forth. While I may not agree with some on BVBL, 99% of the time (the other 1% usually happens when Greg is on vacation and it is an “Open Thread”, lol) the debate is civil and even the cut-downs are logic. But on THAT website, OH MY!!! If I was to read THOSE comments (on both sides, thank you) on that other blog to MY parents, well, let’s just say that it would go over about as well as a fart in church - lol.

  62. John Light said on 27 Nov 2007 at 11:12 pm:
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    ateacher said on 27 Nov 2007 at 11:07 pm:

    Um, read my post again, I did not say ALL teachers, as you implied. What I said, and I quote, “Here is the deal with many, but not all, teachers.”

    I guess you are not an English teacher, otherwise you would know that when I said “but not all” that means that I recognize there are those who do not fit the rule. A perfect example of that would be my 9th Grade History Teacher Mr. Knudsen. Former Marine, proud of it (and rightfully so), and good American. Oh, he was even able to get us to do something called “critical thinking.”

  63. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:03 am:
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    I believe the people who were adults, or near adults during the era of Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Carter probably view them differently than those who gain their knowledge of them through history books. I am not even implying more accurately or anything like that, just different. Somehow picking up on the mood of the country makes it different.

    Obviously, everyone has a different opinion. One person’s is no more valid than the other if dealing with opinion.

  64. One Voice said on 28 Nov 2007 at 7:54 am:
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    So…. bottom line here. No facts regarding the teacher. Ignore button on!! :)

  65. 999 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 8:46 am:
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    Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:03 am:
    Obviously, everyone has a different opinion. One person’s is no more valid than the other if dealing with opinion.

    Opinion are like noses, everyone has one!

  66. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:16 am:
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    Homeschool Mom of 2

    I totally agree with you. I’m glad I homeschool too.

    This is another perfect example of social engineering that the public school is actively engaged. These teachers spend too much time brainwashing kids into their political leanings and not enough time into the essentials. That’s why many kids need remedial classes when they enter college. It is also another reason why homeschooling has grown by leaps and bounds. I hope you belong to HSLD.

  67. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:25 am:
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    For those of you whose children are in publice school, it is so important to check on what your children are learning. You the parent are the best teacher your child has whether they go to public school, private or are homeschooled.

  68. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:44 am:
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    Sorry, publice should be public.

  69. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:45 am:
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    Patty - My three children and four grandchildren are all products of public schools, and I can’t recall a single case of any of them being politically brainwashed. Politics were discussed at home, the kids participated and , believe you me that once they got to high scool age they had their own ideas that were definitely their own, not those of any teacher or the parents, for that matter.
    Social engineering! Such hogwash! Any proof of that? When it comes to brainwashing, I can’t think of a more brainwash furthering situation than homeschooling. Where do other and different opinions come into play? You, the homeschooling parents, are forming pliable minds the way YOU want them IMHO. Maybe, with an attitude like Patty’s, your kids will become disdainful of public schools AND, consequently, of public school students. Snobs, IOW!

  70. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:54 am:
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    Yes, Mrs. R’s English class, 12th grade, Edison H.S., 1976. Required reading was BF Skinner.

  71. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:55 am:
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    By the way, Mrs. R was intentional and the amazing thing is she told us.

  72. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:00 am:
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    Excuse me, Patty, who is the Mrs. R you’re talking about?

  73. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:27 am:
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    BF Skinner was one of the major psychologists of the 60’s and 70’s. Operant conditioning was the ‘in’ thing. I guess I don’t understand why students who were ready to graduate from high school shouldn’t be exposed to his work. No one says you have to buy into Skinner any more than you have to buy into Sigmund Freud.

  74. monticup said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:32 am:
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    Patty- Home schooled kids do better on their SATs than public school kids. (Generally speaking, of course) Home schooled also tend to win national spelling bees. Keep up the good work.

  75. Batson D. Belfrey said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:41 am:
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    “I went to public schools. I don’t know how long it’s been since anyone here was on the inside of a public school, but the public schools are not one giant Liberal Indoctrination Gulag.”

    If I am not mistaken, Kenton IS in public schools. Maybe we should listen to him, due to his vast life experiences. A quick read of his 750 Volts blog will show just how unbiased he is towards conservatives.

  76. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:46 am:
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    Home schooled kids should do better on SATs when comparing them to an average. Way too many kids now are encouraged to take the SAT test. Back in the day, many of the students who are now pushed into taking the test would not have even been considered for college.

    This phenomenon takes us back to the discussion of several months ago about too many people thinking they are college material, when in essense, they aren’t. And here we are back to your contention, Monticup, that we should return to tracking. Full circle?

  77. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:10 pm:
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    Dolph - I agree with you wholeheartedly! Many, many youngsters do well in fields not considered “intellectual”, but it’s a natural for parents ’s feeling better to answer the question: So what’s John doing these day” with ” Oh, he’s going for his PhD or MBA while working for law firm so and so, or on Wall Street” than to state: ” He has his own plumbing, painting, electrical, etc. business with several employees.”

    Somehow, those most necessary professions don’t rate in society today.

    I also agree with your earlier statement re presidents. We who were adults during JFK, LBJ, Carter…. do have a different perspective on history. JFK is the only president I remember who truly stirred the young people to take an active part in politics. I’ll never forget his “Ask not what the country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country. Corny, huh, but it worked.

  78. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:25 pm:
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    A decent plumber will make a boat load of money over his/her career. (I don’t know any female plumbers to be perfectly honest) The skilled trades are definitely something I respect more and more as time goes on. Too bad they aren’t seen as valuable when we talk to our kids. I would be willing to wager than many people in these trades also derive a great deal of satisfaction from their work. This fact alone is priceless.

    Krusty, you are correct in stating that these careers aren’t viewed as ‘intellectual.’ However, that sure isn’t an indicator of some of these worker’s intellects. I have known some real smart people who were in the skilled trades.

    Kennedy was very popular. I, who am not a big JFK fan, will concede that. He inspired a nation to be better. He was not that popular in the south because of integration issues but then again, the south isn’t the nation. I believe his biggest contribution might have been that he inspired millions of young people take ownership in America rather than feeling the country belonged to the generation before theirs.

  79. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:38 pm:
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    BF Skinner believed there was no such thing as individual personality. He also did not believe in free will. In other words, people are not responsible for their actions. Instead of reading Shakespeare, which was required, we were reading the works of Skinner and discussing social engineering. Mrs. R was up front about it. She also believed and discussed in class her views of sexual freedom. So much for Shakespeare. We did read a couple of his works. Yes, we were a captive audience. She got away with a lot of stuff and so did some other teachers.

  80. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:46 pm:
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    Patty - As I said before. Homeschooled kids are also a captive audience. Don’t you agree?

  81. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:03 pm:
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    So I guess you wouldn’t want parents to raise their own children.

  82. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
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    Thanks for the encouragement!

  83. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:12 pm:
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    BF Skinner was certainly influential in psychology. His work dominated the field for at least 2 decades. Some of his theories are still used today. I don’t think a person’s personal beliefs matter. It is my choice as to whether to buy in or not. I have studied the works of all sorts of people who I believed were full of it. It didn’t hurt me in the least. In fact, I would probably say that it helped me form my own opinions much better than had those opposing views not been present.

    On the other hand, I don’t believe any one thing should replace required curriculum. Nor do I think any instructor’s personal views should be aired in the classroom, especially if on a controversial topic. However, given the time period, it is easier to understand. In 1976, much more academic freedom was granted than it is now.

    We have all had wonderful teachers and we have all had perfectly awful ones. I always told my own kids that having the awful ones was character building. That having to deal with awful people prepared them for unreasonable bosses, mother in laws, and other mishaps of life. Only 1 time did I rescue one of mine, and it was from someone I truly felt was evil. Lafayette and I have discussed the damage inflicted from Mrs. G. People like this are fortunately rare, thank goodness.

  84. 4kidsnadog said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:43 pm:
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    “But, remember, illegals just want to be treated like everyone else, and they do not receive any special treatment. ”

    Translaters can be provided for Hispanics (immigrant or alien) but NOT for any other immigrant/alien group. Therefore, they DO receive “special” treatment.

  85. Lafayette said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:52 pm:
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    Mrs. G. was the worst teacher I ever had no if, and, or buts about it. I’m glad to say I truly don’t think my daughter has to deal with teachers like that woman. I come from a family of teachers and many of them were/are “old maids”. They would’ve NEVER behave like Mrs. G. nor any other teachers I had in school.
    I would like to add to you “character building” section. You forgot X-SPOUSES to the list of “awful people”. :)

  86. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:01 pm:
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    Oh most definitely! X-spouses definitely should be on the list.

    There will be a special place in hell for Mrs. G. I am sorry you didn’t get rescued. I had to rescue my daughter at Thanksgiving….back when she had to suffer. She still remembers and hates that individual. I truly believe she was scarred.

  87. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:09 pm:
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    Patty 1:03 Totally inane comment!

  88. Homeschool Mom of 2 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:28 pm:
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    To quote a columnist at the Boston Globe

    Big Brother at School
    By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | October 17, 2007

    “Nobody would want the government to run 90 percent of the nation’s entertainment industry. Nobody thinks that 90 percent of all housing should be owned by the state. Yet the government’s control of 90 percent of the nation’s schools leaves most Americans strangely unconcerned.”

    Something to think about…

  89. Patty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:41 pm:
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    The comment was directed to your outrageous question.

  90. me-n-u said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    Kenton Ngo said on 27 Nov 2007 at 10:42 pm”Teacher too liberal? Let the students fight them. What, are we going to let them run home to mommy and whine about how life’s so unfair?”

    Oh pleassssse! When a child does this they are punished for being “disrespectful” This happened with students who disagreed with the Spanish teacher at Osbourn. A friend of mine has a child that goes to there their child argued with her because of her opinion on illegal aliens. He was given ater school detention, along with other students.

    I know this kid, he’s intelligent and isn’t a trouble maker. In 11 years of school, this was his first detention.

    So don’t sit there and make it sound like these kid can voice their opinions or debate an issue with a teacher. That is not always the case.

  91. me-n-u said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:39 pm:
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    Should have looked at my writing before I sent it. Sorry.

  92. MP Resident said on 28 Nov 2007 at 5:34 pm:
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    “So what’s John doing these day” with ” Oh, he’s going for his PhD or MBA while working for law firm so and so, or on Wall Street” than to state: ” He has his own plumbing, painting, electrical, etc. business with several employees.”

    Somehow, those most necessary professions don’t rate in society today.”

    There’s an HVAC service firm whose name I won’t mention but they are very prominent in this area that charges $225 to replace a motor run capacitor in your furnace.

    The part itself is $15 and takes 5 minutes to replace.

    I’d love to have that work.

  93. Anon said on 28 Nov 2007 at 5:37 pm:
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    Krusty wrote:

    “I can’t think of a more brainwash furthering situation than homeschooling. Where do other and different opinions come into play? You, the homeschooling parents, are forming pliable minds the way YOU want them IMHO.”

    If parents shouldn’t be the ones forming those “pliable minds” then we are in serious serious trouble!

  94. Krusty said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:10 pm:
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    MP Resident - Maybe it’s time to switch jobs?

  95. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:41 pm:
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    Was this the situation we had the thread about back in September? Finally we learn more about it! What ever happened?

  96. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:46 pm:
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    I don’t think Krusty is necessarily saying parents shouldn’t be forming pliable little minds, just that in any learning situation, that is what is happening, regardless of who is doing the teaching. Doesn’t that sort of define learning, in the loosest sense of the word?

    I could care less if people home school are not. Just don’t talk down to me because I didn’t. (not YOU personally)

  97. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 7:55 pm:
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    Ok, 24 hours has passed. What is the upshot of the Bush Sucks assignment? Surely someone has found out something. Inquiring minds want to know. Has the problem been settled to everyone’s satisfaction?

    Has Rippon been removed from the face of the earth? Has the errant teacher been hanged in the public square? Inquiring minds want to know.

    While waiting for an answer, does anyone want to address any of the ‘charges’ made in that handout? What has President Bush done well?

  98. One Voice said on 28 Nov 2007 at 8:29 pm:
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    I don’t have the talent to homeschool particularly High School. I admire those that do. But please understand, sometimes it’s not a choice - not everyone can or should take that on. I do however believe strongly that parents are the primary educator of their child(ren) not the schools. Back to personal responsibility.

    Speaking of responsibility — any facts on the Rippon incident?

    I would say that Pres Bush is one of the best when it comes to interpersonal skills. He is warm in his address and appears sincere when meeting folks and introducing them. I do like that about him. He sure beats Cheney in that arena!

  99. Dittyman8 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:24 pm:
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    What ever happenned to teaching skills and knowledge for life rather than passing out political propaganda at our schools? The teachers should be spending more time teaching the basics of how ourr government works.

  100. redawn said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:34 pm:
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    Dittyman8 ,
    I think you hit the nail on the head : Turn your statement into a question. THAT IS THE QUESTION.

  101. Dolph said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:37 pm:
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    One Voice,

    I think Pres Bush is probably a very sincere person. He has turned his life around from party boy to responsible parent and husband. Those are good characteristics.


    Let’s not take one supposed incident, that we have no official word on, and decide that all teachers do something like this. It simply isn’t true.

  102. Kenton Ngo said on 29 Nov 2007 at 4:11 am:
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    We come to BVBL for nothing but the finest unbiased commentary on conservatives.

    Pot, kettle. Have you two met?

  103. RMS Teacher said on 29 Nov 2007 at 6:12 pm:
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    As the teacher accused of “dumpster diving”, I will defend my actions as clearly and expeditiously as possible. This is the last I will comment on this.

    The assignment given was not a “leftist attack” on George Bush. The standard addressed is as follows:

    “The student will demonstrate knowledge of the political process at the local, state, and national levels of government by analyzing campaigns for elected office, with emphasis on the role of the media.” C.E. 5c.

    The case study chosen was that of the 2004 Presidential Election. In conjunction with this handout (which was not titled, except for my handwritten “Why Bush is a bad president”), I provided equal time and due diligence to this editorial:


    Questions for each were not “agree/disagree?”, but rather the following:

    1. What party would each author most likely belong to?
    2. What motivations would each author have in creating these editorials?

    The very last thing I wanted to do was turn people for or against George Bush. My goal in this lesson was to get a group of young people to think about what they read BEFORE they form opinions on a reading topic bases solely on the author’s slant.

    Finally, I would like to say that I am commenting on this topic in this fashion solely because I feel as though the truth is far more important than blindly accusing people of actions before asking the people involved. As a public employee, I believe an explanation (not a debate. Again, I will post no further) is in order.

  104. One Voice said on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:52 pm:
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    Kudos….. I can think of some that would benefit from your class. :)

  105. Princess Billy-Bob said on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:17 pm:
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    RMS Teacher,

    It sounds like a darn good assignment. Perhaps you could teach a night class for those adults who haven’t mastered the objective of the assignment. Keep up the good work.

  106. Lafayette said on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:35 pm:
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    RMS Teacher,
    I’m in total agreement with OneVoice & Princess above.
    It sounds like you are right in line with my daughter reports from Stonewall Middle. Thank you!
    Lafayette said on 27 Nov 2007 at 4:00 pm:
    The teachers in no way made their personal beliefs know to the students, and there was no discussion. I’d like to add she said she felt all of her teachers at SMS kept their beliefs out of the classroom. I was very pleased to hear this. I just thought some positive feedback might do some good.

  107. ateacher said on 29 Nov 2007 at 11:10 pm:
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    Whether or not one believes in homeschooling vs public education all I can say about Bush and his agenda, after years of his schooling my brother serving in Iraq (second tour) has come to the conclusion that the bigwigs in govt have used him and others who fight and earn salary less than the poverty level in income. Once he was career soldier, now he is a bitter boy only 32. Once he thought war was the “right” thing. He has seen more deaths in the past 15 months, than I can only imagine. He is coming home in a couple of weeks, and his wife and children are unsure of what his mood will be. How sad is that?

  108. Dolph said on 30 Nov 2007 at 2:10 am:
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    That is very sad, for someone to become so disallusioned because of our government policies. I hope his homecoming will be smooth.

    One Voice,

    I find it amusing that you and I have been the only 2 people who found something positive to say about President Bush. I publically admit to never having voted for the man. Go figure.

  109. One Voice said on 30 Nov 2007 at 7:37 am:
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    I voted for him the first time and realized I couldn’t do it again more due to Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Once I realized the type of person that was attracted to him I wasn’t comfortable.

    Then I found out that Scooter Libby’s lawyer was also Mark Rich’s lawyer. Thats when I became a Populist.

  110. Anon said on 30 Nov 2007 at 12:44 pm:
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    If this homework assignment is controversial, how do you all feel about the 2007 Senate Bill 777 which prohibits all classes, school activities, textbooks, and teachers from instruction that “reflects or promotes bias against homosexuals, transgenders, and bisexuals in public schools (including Kindergarten).
    Sentate Bill 777 (already passed) also bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuals and bisexuality.
    This bill also “bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality and bisexuality. This bill bans “any text, reference or interpretation portraying marriage as only between man and a woman.”
    Books removing the words Mom and Dad will apparently go to press in January. Boys who feel they are girls, or girls who feel they are boys, will be allowed to use any restroom or locker rooms they choose. (Do you see any potential problems with this?)
    Homecoming queens may be male and homecoming kings can be female, because it is hate speech to say that a King must be a guy and a Queen must be a girl. It is a bias against homosexuality and therefore hate speech.
    This Bill is supported by the NEA (National Education Association).
    So while this bill has been passed in California (and I believe some other states have or are following suit), it may soon be passed Nationwide.
    This bill also bans ALL MATERIAL declaring that people are born male or female. (YES! This bill passed!)
    Assembly Bill 394 was passed stating that teachers and parents with conservative, traditional lifestyles and beliefs who voice their opinions on these issues will be candidates for “Anti-harrassment” training. You cannot tell your child’s teacher that you prefer your child to be taught that a mother and father are what constitutes parents. You may be reported and required to attend Anti-harrassment training.
    Assembly Bill 14 Prohibits funding for any program not supporting a range of sexual practices, including state funded social services operated by churches, daycare, preschool, food and housing programs, job programs, senior services and hospitals. So the programs MUST state that they support homosexuality or their funding from the state of California will be pulled. Any textbooks stating the words MOM and DAD must be pulled out of schools because it is biased against the gay lifestyle and shows gender. This is a done deal in California. Not proposed. Done. Passed. Think it won’t come to this state? Think again. Beginning in the fall of 2008 school text books will NOT reflect the words MOM and DAD even in grades as low as Kindergarten. California is the largest purchaser of textbooks, so the companies who publish these text books is taking the words out of ALL the textbooks… even YOUR child’s textbooks. No longer will history books state something along the lines of “The men of Valley Forge…” but instead “The people of Valley Forge…” You cannot say “He rode his bike to school,” but instead “It rode its bike to school.”
    Sports, locker rooms and bathrooms must now be all gender neutral.
    The point is this…. if your child goes to Public School, you NEED to stay on top of what is going on in this country and don’t just ASSUME that your values and beliefs are going to be supported. You need to know not only WHAT is being taught, but what is NOT being taught.
    While we may not hate alternate lifestyles, we may not want to support these types of changes in our eduational system. Yet, it has happened already in California and some other states are following suit. Do you really want to be referred to as “it”? There will be no more Mr. and Mrs. titles.
    This bill cannot be over ruled by the President because it was a state bill. It could have been over ruled by the Governor (Schwartzenneger) but he signed it into law.
    If parents are not paying attention to these bills being passed, eventually it will hit enough states to be passed into Federal law and then it will be next to impossible to overturn.
    So… heads up. Pay attention. Know what is headed to our public schools. Because even if you homeshool, your taxes are paying for these changes.

  111. Ken Bassett said on 30 Nov 2007 at 4:27 pm:
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    Greg- I believe you owe RMS Teacher an apology- or perhaps a day of detention.

  112. Greg L said on 30 Nov 2007 at 4:46 pm:
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    I don’t think so. Regardless of how this assignment is justified after-the-fact, the content and quality of this handout is absolutely atrocious. Fostering reasoned debate can only be done with quality material, not with this sort of useless drivel that is little more than a product of anti-Bush derangement syndrome.

    We don’t prompt discussions about race by handing out white supremacist literature, we don’t inspire debate about the holocaust by passing out neo-nazi propaganda, and we don’t foster understanding of the Iraq conflict by passing out Al-Quaeda recruitment videos. If you want to teach kids about both sides of a debate, you find the best material each side has to offer, and you work with that.

    You cannot build strong minds with poor quality tools.

  113. NoName said on 30 Nov 2007 at 5:54 pm:
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    I find it interesting that the parent whose child brought home the article didn’t immediately call the school to talk to the teacher. I rarely believe my own child’s take on a situation. There is almost always more to a situation than comes home from the child’s perspective.

    Children learn by taking what they hear and applying it to their prior knowledge. If the child is hearing information that is one-sided at home (liberal or conservative,) then he may tune out information taught at school about the other side of the issue. In this case, the teacher makes clear that the lesson was compairing the opinions that can be found in the media and how we must be careful to consider the source of information. That’s why getting facts from blogs such as these is very dangerous. Many have used a bit of information taken out of context and have made public education out to be the enemy of God-fearing, patriotic Americans.

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