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Frederick: Let’s See If They Meant It

By Greg L | 28 November 2007 | Virginia Senate | 27 Comments

Delegate Jeff Frederick is going to give an opportunity for Senate Democrats to put their money where their campaign rhetoric has been, and plans on re-introducing legislation that will penalize “sanctuary jurisdictions”, according to the Potomac News:

Frederick said he didn’t know if his bill — should it pass in the House of Delegates — might have a chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate.  “A lot of these people who ran successfully in the Senate promised to do something about illegal immigration,” he said. “So let’s see if they support it.”

Let’s see who will introduce similar legislation in the Senate.  This is a great opportunity for Chuck Colgan, Chap Peterson or George Barker to show us that they really meant what they said.  I’m sure they’re not all going to pass up this great opportunity to show us they were telling the truth.  Right?



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27 Comments

  1. k. o'toole said on 28 Nov 2007 at 7:48 am:
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    “promised they’d do something about illegal immigration” - isn’t this the old semantics game? *doing something* (for some of these politicians) = expanding guest worker visas and granting amnesty for all.

    I’ve noticed, on the local, state or federal level, candidates will say they are on either side of the issue at different times. Seems to be their strategy. That way, they can take credit and none of the blame, whatever happens or whatever way they vote in the future (i.e., Hillary on NY drivers’ licenses for illegals; Colgan on gas taxes, etc.).

  2. Anonymous said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:20 am:
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    Local issues should be left to local Government. In the article, Frederick admits this will never pass the Senate. It’s a clear grandstanding play and an insult to (most people’s) intelligence.

    I would prefer that our Legislature work on the budget rather than meddle in local politics.

  3. Andy H said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:31 am:
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    Anon,

    This particular issue and Mr. Frederick aside, the state loves to meddle in local affairs. States have the same problems with the Feds.

  4. Clean it up in '07 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:51 am:
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    Anonymous 9:20 —

    I can only guess from your post that you are not aware that Virginia is a Dillon Rule state. Powers of Local Governments must first be granted by the Virginia General Assembly. This is especially important in matters dealing with immigration as the General Assembly tries to tackle matters over which the Federal Government has jurisdiction in most cases.

  5. Anonymous said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:27 am:
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    Regarding what Clean it up in ‘07

    I am aware of the Dillon Rule; however, I consider it a mute point regarding the substance of my comment.

  6. Turn PW Blue said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:40 am:
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    It’s might be a mute point (without volume or sound), but it certainly isn’t a moot point. Under the Dillon Rule, local jurisdictions are actually agencies of the state, not independent government bodies. The General Assembly and Governor set the limits on what’s “local.” Thus, bringing up issues like this is not meddling in local politics but rather establishing the extent to which there even are “local politics.”

    As to your other point (that this is grandstanding), of course it is. Do we expect anything more?

  7. Andy H said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:20 pm:
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    Turn:

    You might be factually correct, I don’t know, but it seems as though it is an awefully fine point to argue. The practical effects at the local level of the state legislators screwing around with policy for political expediency can be enormous.

  8. Old Soldier said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:28 pm:
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    What Turn PW Blue said on 28 Nov 2007 at 11:40 am

    …and a Conservative General Assembly would not rely on the Dillon Rule to meddle in local affairs. It’s a Liberal’s tool of choice because they assume we aren’t smart enough to Govern ourselves. For those who are familiar with it’s history, it was a tool developed in the 19th Century to address corrupt local Governments. Some say (including me, a 10th Amendment fan) it has outlived its intended purpose.

  9. Turn PW Blue said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:25 pm:
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    Old Soldier–

    I actually am right with you in your disdain for the Dillon Rule. It’s an anachronism and we would be better served with more local autonomy. My statement was not meant in any way to say I thought the Dillon Rule was a *good* thing. Rather is was to correct the presumption that local governments in Virginia really have any type of government power except those granted explicitly at the state level.

  10. Advocator said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:22 pm:
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    Folks, the correct term is “MOOT” not “MUTE,” although I wish some of you would be as much of the second as you are the first.

  11. Anonymous said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:36 pm:
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    What Advocator said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:22 pm

    My mother taught me that that the only breach of etiquette worse than making a mistake in public was correcting someone else’s.

    It would have been more polite to remain mute on this issue; however, I suppose the point is moot (at this point).

  12. legal2 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:35 pm:
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    Anyone seen what EricByler/9500Lib has been up to lately? http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=70671590&blogID=329952239

  13. One Voice said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:16 pm:
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    Can we have a “see if they meant it” for PWC Supervisors. The paper already reports that the county will have to stop building roads in 2011 or 2012. Guess why? There is no money and they all knew it in September.

    Remember they haven’t paid for immigration (yes, Virginia, there are big costs associated with the program), they can’t pay for what they started last year because the Honorable Mr. Stewart doesn’t think we really need a balanced five year plan to keep our AAA bond rating despite Moody’s criteria.

    Maybe we should have a “what the heck will they do now that they won” thread?

  14. anon said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:17 pm:
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    legal2 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:35,

    Anyone seen what EricByler/9500Lib has been up to lately?

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=70671590&blogID=329952239
    here is the other filmaker
    pm:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=21021064

  15. anon said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:17 pm:
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    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=21021064

  16. Billyboy said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:39 pm:
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    The State needs to pursue compensation from the Federal Government for the issues which Federal policies create. The State should not attempt to punish localities for failures on the Federal level.

  17. Billyboy said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:42 pm:
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    k. o’toole said on 28 Nov 2007 at 7:48 am:

    “Colgan on the Gas Tax”

    The Election is over your Boy (Fatzsimmonds) lost (4 times now), you can stop spreading lies. Colgan’s position was he prefered the Gas Tax over the House Republican Transportation plan. He never favored an additional gas tax.

  18. One Voice said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:19 pm:
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    PWC is gonna wish they had those federal fund for roads like Henrico and Arlington in about 22 months. Let’s bring it home folks and look what is happening in your back yard.

  19. NoVA Scout said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:27 pm:
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    How many “sanctuary” jurisdictions has Frederick identified in the Commonwealth? How do we know one when we see it? Is this a real world problem?

  20. Dolph said on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:47 am:
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    One Voice,

    Does this mean the ‘fun has begun?’ It seems you warned us about money shortages all along. Have the chickens come home to roost? I hope you will stay on this one. Apparently many folks need the money 101 review at least weekly.

  21. One Voice said on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:53 am:
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    I don’t think most are interested in the local money thing, Dolph. For one, some would have to admit that Caddigan and Jenkins were right. AND THEY WERE AND STILL ARE. Horrors!!!!!! :)

    This is going to be interesting. The real drama will kick off at the 12/18 BOS meeting. I am trying to stir up some interest in local funding issues here; hoped the article in the Pot News about no roads after 2011 would have hit home - guess not. Maybe when the supervisors budget committe’s get rolling it will happen.

    Sure would hate to end up like DC; police cars in the lots with no mechanics. The cars sat so long mice ate through all the wires.

    Honorable Mr. Stewart is right when he says we are not going to increase our commercial tax rate - we are going to have to WAIVE it to get new business here in PWC.

    Act locally……

  22. Dolph said on 29 Nov 2007 at 10:04 am:
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    I guess people will show interest when the taxes on their homes soar and the county decal doubles in cost. Or……..it takes 45 minutes to get from Giant at Westgate to Old Town Manassas.

  23. One Voice said on 29 Nov 2007 at 12:00 pm:
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    Or when the immigration promises aren’t kept…..

    This is really a beautiful comment; feel used anyone?

    “I don’t want to be known for only one thing,” Stewart said after the election. “I still don’t understand why [immigration] became such a huge issue. I’d like to figure that out, so I can replicate it.”

    Today’s Post. Why this article didn’t make this mornings opening thread is beyond me.

  24. 999 said on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:49 pm:
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    Dolph said on 29 Nov 2007 at 10:04 am:
    I guess people will show interest when it takes 45 minutes to get from Giant at Westgate to Old Town Manassas.

    What’s five more minutes? grin

  25. 999 said on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:53 pm:
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    Billyboy said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:39 pm:
    The State needs to pursue compensation from the Federal Government for the issues which Federal policies create. The State should not attempt to punish localities for failures on the Federal level.

    Never going to happen (State pursuing or Federal Government paying.)

  26. Anonymous said on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:55 pm:
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    One Voice said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:16 pm:
    Can we have a “see if they meant it” for PWC Supervisors. The paper already reports that the county will have to stop building roads in 2011 or 2012.

    I thought VDOT was responsible for building roads? My mistake…i guess!

  27. One Voice said on 29 Nov 2007 at 4:50 pm:
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    PWC assumed that responsibility and it has flourished until now. In July 2007, PWC added a whole new Agency called TRANSPORTATION. The costs are unbelievable. I guess you missed this.

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