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Kaine Flails For Another Justification

By Greg L | 28 November 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 32 Comments

According to the DC Examiner, Governor Kaine thinks that foreign companies won’t invest in Virginia unless we are accommodating to illegal aliens.  I’ve heard the illegal alien lobby stretch mighty hard to find reasonable-sounding justifications to support the notion that this one class of lawbreaker should not be held accountable for their behavior, but this stretch from our highest state-level elected official is stunning.  I’m calling bullcrap here.

“We need to be wise about our immigration policies,” Kaine said. “If we send out the signal we are not welcoming to people from foreign countries, the world-class companies will go somewhere else.”

Delegate Bob Marshall shoots back, demonstrating his typical ability to cut through the bull:

“The work force [Kaine] is trying to attract comes into the country legally,” Marshall told The Examiner. “Is he saying that the CEOs of those big corporations do not understand the importance of obeying the law? If they don’t understand the necessity of obeying the law, we don’t want them here in Virginia anyway.”

What’s really going on here is that Governor Kaine is beginning to realize that his inaction on this issue is hurting him with the voters and may well negatively impact the 2008 elections.  As Virginians tune into Lou Dobbs and hear a steady drumbeat from a determined independent that our government at all levels is failing the people by ignoring the problem of illegal aliens, so far they’ve heard nothing of substance from those who want to preserve a status quo that clearly isn’t working, or worse yet provide a “path to citizenship” (read: amnesty) to illegal aliens.  The Governor has sided with the illegal alien lobby, a policy position that is accepted by only twenty percent of the electorate.  Politically, this is terrifically self-destructive.

In their typical fashion, those relatively few Democrats who have signed on with this inane policy position are cranking up their spin machine to search for a message that will serve as a rhetorical buttress to prop up their weak position.  The “they’re hard workers, doing the jobs Americans won’t do” has flopped.  The “we need these folks to support our economy” has outraged those lower income voters who find themselves competing for jobs with illegal aliens.  So now Kaine is floating the ridiculous concept that international trade in Virginia will be hurt if we actually enforce our immigration laws.

What Kaine is deliberately ignoring here is that the United States takes in more immigrants than all other nations combined, and has more lenient immigration laws than any other nation on earth.  The home nations these foreign companies are coming from universally treat illegal aliens as felons, summarily incarcerate them solely for immigration violations, and deport them.  Why would they consider the a nation which automatically grants citizenship to anyone born on our soil to be a bad place to do business?  It’s nonsense.  Foreign investors don’t have this concern, because from their perspective the United States, and Virginia, are more lenient in immigration policy than the countries of which they are citizens.

Kaine’s flailing about for justification here is a good sign.  Soon, he will run out of rhetorical diversions and finally have to confront the reality that his determined opposition to enforcing the law in Virginia is bad policy, a violation of his oath of office, wildly unpopular with the electorate, and a grave threat to whatever future political aspirations he may have.  In a few weeks, Kaine will trout out something else, it will be summarily batted down, and eventually this rhetorical well will run dry. When that happens, we just might be able to get something done.

Keep flailing, Governor.



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32 Comments

  1. 999 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:24 pm:
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    Marshall hit the nail on the head. If the foreign corporations Kaine wants to attract to Virginia are willing to break the law to supply and hire illegal aliens, we don’t want them (the companies or illegals) here! Kaine needs to wake up and smell the roses instead of the tacos.

  2. DennisD said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:06 pm:
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    Kaine still does not get it. It is not about “people from foreign countries” - no one I know has a problem with legal immigrants - It is about illegal aliens and the rule of law. Geeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz

  3. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:17 pm:
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    I do not see how any company would want to come to an area that has no ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION laws enforced. We, as voters, are not saying a single word about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!! What part of ILLEGAL do these knuckleheads not understand???? Do we have to make it flashing and 200 point type face?? Do we have to put it on a stick and beat them about the head and ears for them to understand?? SHEESH!!! This is not about race, color or nationality. It is about being in this country LEGALLY!!!!!

    Gov. Kaine, you need to wake up quickly and see those around you are not giving you wise advise or talking points. You need to start listening to the voters of VA and stress enforcing existing laws. I do not feel you are causing any issues with companies just because Virginia wants to enforce current immigration laws.

  4. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:19 pm:
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    Posted from another thread:

    I feel that if the illegals didn’t raise attention to themselves and went about their business, assimilated to their surroundings and took up the American way of doing things, most if not all people wouldn’t give them a second look or question their status (not kicking a sleeping dog comes to mind here). They are going about this all wrong. If they want to stay in the US, adapt, assimilate and overcome their weaknesses in English and no one would be the wiser or probably challenge them in any way.

    However, you flaunt your law breaking ways in the faces of law abiding citizens and you have just kicked the sleeping dog laying on the porch. He is up barking and ready to bite.

  5. Turn PW Blue said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:20 pm:
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    Once again, I would encourage all to read the DC Examiner piece rather than rely on Greg’s cherry-picked quotes.

    Actually, no where in Kaine’s statement do I see him say we must look a blind eye to illegal immigrants. Rather, I read a very cogent argument that in the furor over illegal immigrants, we need to be careful not to come across as purely anti-immigrant. In the run up to the PWC “Rule of Law” resolution, there were some whose rhetoric came across as xenophobic and anti-immigrant (legal or otherwise). This type of impression must be avoided or foreign businesses will think twice of relocating. The resounding choruses of “English-only”, “no multiculturalism”, “those people”, etc., reach broader than the anti-illegal mantra and strike at all those who are not from here to make them feel unwelcome. It’s a fine line between stopping illegal immigration and making all immigrants feel unwelcome. Some of the quotes in comments on this very blog reinforce that. The reliance, for instance, on data and stats from fairus.org. This is a group that may very well have good stats on illegal immigration, but its agenda is much broader immigration restriction beyond stopping the flow of illegals (FAIR, for instance, “advocates a temporary moratorium on all immigration except spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and a limited number of refugees.”) The unfortunate alignment of the KKK with the anti-illegal movement also lends to this perception that resolutions regarding illegal immigration are more than just law and order.

    Here is what Kaine also said:

    “‘As I see what is happening politically around the state, I worry that the rhetoric and demagoguery sends out an extremely unwelcoming message,’ Kaine said during his monthly radio call-in show on WTOP.”

    If there is a perception (justified or not) that those from foreign countries are unwelcome (regardless of their legal status), then companies will avoid coming here. That’s the way I read Kaine’s statement. I think both Marshall and Stewart missed the point (or saw a convenient opportunity to make cheap points). Kaine, I believe, is saying we need to be careful about how we approach restrictions on illegal immigration and how we frame the debate. He isn’t saying open the doors and turn a blind eye.

  6. Rob Smalls - Patriot Temp said on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:21 pm:
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    Someone needs to send Gov. Kaine an HSM T-shirt, with a note telling him to read the back.

  7. veteran said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:40 pm:
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    Dennis: that may be your belief and your perception of others’ beliefs, but every time I ask “if GW granted amnesty to illegal aliens, thus making them legal, would you still have a problem?” , the only answers I get back is “YES” they would still have a problem.

  8. Turn PW Blue said on 28 Nov 2007 at 2:48 pm:
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    That’s a great question, veteran. So, what do you all say to that? If, somehow, an amnesty bill did make it throw Congress and was signed into law making these people legal, would there still be an issue? This is not a question about whether amnesty is right or wrong. Take that argument out. Assume an amnesty bill becomes law (over your vocal objections). If the law of the land now makes these people legal, do you still have a problem with them?

    If so, then it is the underlying sentiment in the rhetoric and demagoguery that Kaine is referring to.

  9. RHarrison said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:04 pm:
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    Turn PW Blue,

    You are right - Veteran does pose a good question. The answer is: yes we would still have a problem, but not for the reasons you articulated. First, I don’t have a problem with “these people,” except for the fact that they broke the law to get into our country. Amnesty doesn’t change their original violation of the law, it just ignores it. I don’t think this makes them bad, but I do think it means they should have to leave.

    Second, that’s not the central issue. As we saw in 1986, amnesty results in more illegal aliens, not less. If people come to believe that, once you get into the U.S., you get to be a citizen regardless of how you got here, more people will come in violation of the law. Amnesty doesn’t fix the real problem - enthusiastic disregard for the law. In fact, amnesty encourages people to break the law by demonstrating that we don’t take the law seriously.

    I suspect that many of the illegal aliens in the U.S. did come with the assumption that, if they made it here, they would get to be citizens. This would explain why there is so much anger in the illegal community over enforcement of our laws. People honestly thought they would be allowed to settle down, get jobs and live the American dream. When we started telling them “not unless you came here legally” people felt betrayed.

  10. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:10 pm:
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    Again, I do not see anyone complaining about the LEGAL immigrants. When these debates are waged and discussions are brought up, it is the word ILLEGAL being made prominent and that those debating this fact have no issue what so ever with LEGAL immigrants.

    I do not see how voicing concern over the lack of leadership and resolution to the ILLEGAL immigrant problem will cause anyone but the sympathizers of the ILLEGAL immigrant movement to have an issue with it.

    I am honestly surprised that more LEGAL immigrants are not out supporting the proper way to come to America legally.

    Amnesty is NOT the way. As soon as we let it be known we are considering it, the borders will be crashed. IF they decide to go the amnesty route, we need to make sure the borders are secure THEN announce it. Until the borders are secure, we will grant amnesty to the entire world.

    I do agree it is sending out an extremely unwelcoming message for ILLEGAL immigrants. I also agree with Del Marshall, if the company doesn’t want to come here because we want to enforce our current laws, then we really do not need them since they will only add to the problems. I have not seen or heard in ANY of the debates or posts on this blog that people have an issue with LEGAL immigrants.

  11. Advocator said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:15 pm:
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    Turn PW:

    The law of the land in ‘86 made a large number of illegals legal. I’ve got no problem with that crowd (except the ones who now use their facility with the language to exploit illegals). The law of the land earlier this year extended the legal residency of some El Salvadorans. I’ve got a problem with the Government doing that, but no problem with those to whom the extension applies.

    I’ve said before on this blog that the distinguishing characteristic between the United States and all those failed countries from all over the world that illegals come from is the concept of the Rule of Law. This fairly simple concept is reason this country enjoys its relative prosperity, internal peace, and military superiority. Business and commerce flourish where the Rule of Law exists because business needs predictability and stability. The Rule of Law provides that predictability and stability. That is the attraction that the United States offers to foreign companies. That is the reason Abu Dhabi infused Citigroup with cash yesterday. A policy that disregards the law will have the opposite effect, regardless of whether the policy offers a short-term benefit (cheap labor, e.g.), to business.

  12. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:37 pm:
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    Advocator, It is just a matter of time before we will become some kind of foreign people. So many foreign companies are carrying US debt. It is scary to think they could call it in at anytime and we can not pay for it. What then? They take land as trade? Or maybe cities? I hate to see foreign groups infusing any cash into US companies. We are selling our souls to the devil and he is about to come knockin’ for collection.

  13. Big Dog said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:54 pm:
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    The flailing seems to be by those that don’t agree with
    Gov. Kaine’s comment “we need to be wise about our
    immigration policies”. Certainly, the majority of
    Virginians don’t think we should be dumb with our policies.
    Read what the Gov. said - not just Greg’s editorial
    comments.

    We need a fair, balanced, legal and workable plan to
    cope with this difficult issue - not just bombast from
    both extremes.

  14. Advocator said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:56 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64:

    Time will tell. It’ll be interesting to see how things play out. That’s why I’m headed for the health club before tonight’s meeting - I want to be around to see what route this country takes.

    I don’t know if I could find a taker, but I’d be willing to trade NYC for a few trinkets, let alone writing off debt.

  15. 999 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:12 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 3:37 pm:
    Advocator, It is just a matter of time before we will become some kind of foreign people. So many foreign companies are carrying US debt.

    Foreign companies are already buying us up. States are now, or are considering selling their roads to foreign markets because they want the cash. The Chinese are already running our ports in California and now we have the Arabs buying into our financial market. GREED, GREED AND MORE GREED!

  16. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:16 pm:
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    No Big Dog, we just need the current laws enforced!! We have something in place to cover this.

  17. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:17 pm:
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    Advocator, I am for letting them have ALL sanctuary cities (c:

  18. veteran said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:25 pm:
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    Turn PW Blue: It looks as if no one wanted to read your post past your third sentence.

  19. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:28 pm:
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    Big Dog, people are just tired of others breaking the law and thumbing it in our faces. This is real simple and it is not bombast from one extreme, let’s enforce the laws we have on the books, secure the borders a project that has been funded and deport all ILLEGAL immigrants regardless of color, race or origin!!!

    As I have said before, if the ILLEGAL immigrants would just assimilate and not bring attention to themselves, they would not be noticed for the most part. It is this thumbing their noses at us that has everyone on edge.

  20. Johnson said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:49 pm:
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    To all: I am a recent migrant from Manassas (resident since 1990) to York County, VA. I saw the writing on the wall and departed in 2004. My job is now stress-free (federal, DHS) and I can walk through the local Wal-Mart without hearing one word of Spanish. My mother is still in Manassas City. We visited over Thanksgiving and were astounded by the absence of the formerly traffic-choked Sudley and Rt. 28. Your policies are working. The illegal aliens are leaving in droves. The houses that they are abandoning are in need of repair by young (legal resident/U.S. citizen) people who want a safe, affordable and convenient place to live. Stay the course. This issue won’t go away until all of the illegals are gone.

  21. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:55 pm:
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    Johnson, We had that very thing here when the ILLEGAL immigrants decided to boycott the businesses. It was nice to go through the store and actually be able to shop and check out in a decent amount of time. Those of us who live here may not see the changes that someone who left a while back sees when returning for a visit. I am confident the situation will only improve. We stay the course and keep up the pressure to make the Gov’t enforce the laws already on the books, secure the border and prevent amnesty, things will only get better!!

  22. Vigilant1 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 5:22 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:28 pm:
    let’s enforce the laws we have on the books

    Yes, and pass a few more to ensure this country will never, never be put in this situation again.

  23. CitizenofManassas said on 28 Nov 2007 at 5:59 pm:
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    Turn Blue,

    there were some whose rhetoric came across as xenophobic and anti-immigrant (legal or otherwise). This type of impression must be avoided or foreign businesses will think twice of relocating. The resounding choruses of “English-only”, “no multiculturalism”, “those people”, etc., reach broader than the anti-illegal mantra That is your opinion, and not based on fact.

    Do you really think the County would even bother to have a resolution if there were no illegals? Of course not. So, that sort of tells you about what is driving the issue to take care of the ILLEGAL ALIEN ISSUE. Did the resolution talk about any other person besides an ILLEGAL ALIEN? Of course not, so that again tells you this issue is not about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS but rather about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    The fact is that many who support illegals, for example the Washington COMPOST, refuse to separate legal and illegals in many of their editorials and news articles. Why do they do that?

    The impression I get from those that support illegals is they support every type of criminal. Is that a fair impression?

  24. es_la_ley said on 28 Nov 2007 at 6:32 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 4:55 pm:

    “Johnson, We had that very thing here when the ILLEGAL immigrants decided to boycott the businesses. It was nice to go through the store and actually be able to shop and check out in a decent amount of time. ”

    Yea, I hope they do it again sometime before Christmas!

    :-)

  25. Dittyman8 said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:32 pm:
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    To me, Tim Kaine is a huge hypocrite. He’s suppose to be a good liberal Democrat whose suppose to believe in helping people. How is he helping people by encouraging companies to be exploiting people (including illegal aliens) for their cheap labor rather than controlling immigration to a manageable level so lower-class Americans can get decent wages? Simply flooding the job market with cheap labor may attract some businesses for the short term but they will not produce the well-paying jobs that working Americans need.

  26. Billyboy said on 28 Nov 2007 at 9:51 pm:
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    Right on Big Dog

    The problem with Common Sense is, it’s
    not all that Common.

  27. NoVA Scout said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:45 pm:
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    Kaine’s statement and position is unremarkable. The future security and economic prosperity of the United States (and Virginia) depends on attracting a wide range of immigrants at all skill, educational and professional levels to the United States and out-competing other industrial societies for their services and loyalty. Legal residence and Citizenship have to be attractive propositions, not grudging near impossibilities. This is good, sound conservative economics, folks. If the general atmospherics about “foreigners” or immigrants is hostile or ignorant, we won’t be competitive in that effort and all of us will pay a price. I did not see anything in Kaine’s remarks that supported “illegal” immigration.

  28. /\/\3|)iç 64 said on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:47 am:
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    NoVA Scout,

    I quote, “The aggressive push by some politicians to make Virginia inhospitable to illegal immigrants has the potential to hurt the state’s economy, Gov. Tim Kaine said Tuesday”.

    To me, this looks like support for ILLEGAL immigrants. Let’s break it down here Scout, IF the politicians were not making so much noise about the ILLEGAL immigrants, then Kaine would not have made this sympathetic statement. How can enforcing the law be detrimental to a state’s economy? I would think the companies coming in would like to know that the people they hire will be here LEGALLY. They would have less HR issues tracking down LEGAL status and run less risk of hiring an ILLEGAL immigrant/alien.

  29. Johnson said on 29 Nov 2007 at 9:53 am:
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    Es la ley: Go home. The only businesses hurt by boycotts are those that cater to illegals.

  30. jfk said on 29 Nov 2007 at 11:25 am:
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    Kaine needs to quit “looking around the state” and take some action himself. Maybe he should be concerned about the number of taxpayers who look at the traffic congestion and the real estate debacle, and our school situation and decide that Virginia is not the place they want to live. Cut bait or swim.

  31. G.Stone said on 29 Nov 2007 at 4:33 pm:
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    Having heard the bulk of Kaines comments, I suggest Kaine is looking for excuses to do nothing or very little. Gov. Kaine has a real problem. Various groups supporting illegals have a major influence in the Democrat Party in NOVA. His cautious approach ( BS about biz in va ) is a smokescreen allowing him to placate these special intrest groups . He will continue to do nothing. He will not support and will veto any bill of substance on illegals. The fight for 2008 may very well be within the Dem party. Kaine representing the liberal do nothing wing of the party will be pitted against some of those newly elected Dems who responded to voters on the issue of illegal migration.

    Do not look to Kaine for leadership on this issue, you will be waiting a very long time.

    G.Stone
    Help save Loudoun

  32. CitizenofManassas said on 29 Nov 2007 at 5:13 pm:
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    NoVA Scout said on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:45 pm:
    Kaine’s statement and position is unremarkable. The future security and economic prosperity of the United States (and Virginia) depends on attracting a wide range of immigrants at all skill, educational and professional levels to the United States and out-competing other industrial societies for their services and loyalty. Legal residence and Citizenship have to be attractive propositions, not grudging near impossibilities. This is good, sound conservative economics, folks. If the general atmospherics about “foreigners” or immigrants is hostile or ignorant, we won’t be competitive in that effort and all of us will pay a price. I did not see anything in Kaine’s remarks that supported “illegal” immigration

    Now, that we have established that cheating the system and benefiting from it is not a conservative value, why do you continue to lie about being a conservative?

    America has one of the most liberal immigration policy in the World. You who support illegal immigration simply want open borders with no policy in place. For you and the like of Kaine attempt to say we would not attract companies over wanting to enforce current law is pretty amazing.

    Kaine is a supporter of illegals, and as such is using scare tactics in order to push his pro criminal agenda.

    Virginia is by far a much better state to do business in then say, Maryland, which in fact does have the welcome mat out for the illegals. Why is that?

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