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More Christmas Parade Photos

By Greg L | 2 December 2007 | Manassas City | 134 Comments

UPDATE: THIS OUTRAGE WAS ACTUALLY AWARDED A PRIZE.

Another helpful reader has forwarded some pictures of the outrage at this weekend’s Christmas Parade in Manassas. Above is a good picture of the devil carrying his pitchfork, along with two of the other dancers.

Here is detail of one of the dancers who was waving a white flag. His mask appears to feature mucus running from his nose, just to make it even more appealing. In the background, the woman at left in the red jacket appears to be reacting somewhat negatively to this display, and of the persons who are looking at this, I can’t say that I’m seeing a whole lot of appreciative smiles here.

Both of these are detail of the picture below:

Here’s how the person who submitted this photo described what happened:

I was waiting for my kid to come through in her Girl Scout Troop. I was happily taking pictures for the old scrapbook when to my shock and horror this appears. Boy did the crowd get quiet! Fortunately the troop was far behind.

I spoke today with a parent of a student at Haydon Elementary, which was immediately in front of this group in the parade. Those children spend over two hours with these folks in the staging area on Mathis Avenue before they got a chance to move out. The children didn’t particularly care for this, and many of the parents were rather disturbed. Several christian schools were staged adjacent to this outrage, and when the dancers started warming up, they took it upon themselves to warm up also, and cranked up the volume just as loud as they could. At least these guys were inadvertently dancing to songs praising the Lord while they were warming up.

Another person who watched the parade reported that at some point in the parade some of the dancers would lunge towards the audience in order to frighten them, and the dancer dressed as the devil apparently lunged with his pitchfork at least one parade watcher. The dancer dressed as a jaguar at one point got down on his hands and knees and started antagonizing a dog. I’ve heard this from several people, although I didn’t witness it myself.

Monday night there will be a Manassas City town hall meeting at (appropriately) Haydon Elementary School. It’s a great opportunity for some parents to have a little chat with the City Council about this.



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134 Comments

  1. UnMasMexican said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:08 pm:
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    This parade display shows simply that el diablo–as well as your hateful rhetoric–will fail. This is part of the melting pot–what are you going to protest next, St. Patrick’s Day and the Irish?

  2. Nick said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:16 pm:
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    Speaking for myself, only if the Irish start dressing like Satan.

  3. Dolph said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:21 pm:
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    UnMasMexican,

    Do you think something could have been done differently to create a more positive image? I mean this question in all seriousness.

  4. Frustrated in Sudley Manor said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:24 pm:
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    We need to remember that the majority of people in the U.S. have celebrated Christmas for the birth of our Savior Christ Jesus and for younger children, Santa Clause. If Christmas is a Christian holiday, primarily, why would anyone put a pagan float, dance or anything else in the parade like that? It would be like putting the nativity scenes in our front yard and decorating with Christmas lights on Halloween (a pagan holiday). To those in charge next year, please keep our wonderful Christmas parade about Christmas…thanks! : )

  5. UnMasMexican said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:33 pm:
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    About Christmas, eh? You mean about fat symbols of commercialism…

    Dolph: This display was honoring our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in his triumph over death and the temptations of the devil. I think that’s a very positive message. Could it hurt to remind children at this time of the year that their Lord is in fact the “reason for the season”? Us in the Latino community always keep this dear to our hearts as I am sure do many of my other fellow Christians.

  6. Greg L said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:01 pm:
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    So in your view UnMas, the function of the famed “melting pot” is to inject every trapping of third-world cultural debris into our culture without question. How wonderful. I suppose such practices as mutilating the genitalia of adolescent females, tolerating the murder of adulterous women, worship with the aid of hallucinogenics, public stick fighting, rutual scarring of young boys, and killing endangered species in order to concoct magic potions are equally acceptable, as they’re just different cultural traditions to be supplanted onto our own.

    Some cultural traditions really deserve to die out, just as cannibalism did. That happens when societies come to the realization that they’re counterproductive. From a political perspective, parading around as the devil in a Christmas parade is terrifically so in a political sense, at the very least.

  7. John Light said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:07 pm:
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    Frustrated in Sudley Manor - actually, the Christmas Tree IS a Pagan symbol, as is the Yule Log…a concession the Christans made to the Pagans when we converted them so many years ago.

    That being said, I second the views of Greg on this one. Plain and simple, it had NO place in the parade and those who approved should be admonished.

  8. Big Dog said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:14 pm:
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    Come on — you are taking this way out of
    proportion. There were 152 entries in the parade and
    thousands of folks had a wonderful time. This
    is one of the largest and oldest (62 years) Christmas
    Parades in Northern Virginia and is put on by
    VOLUNTEERS. I spoke to dozens of people before,
    during and after the parade and not one person
    mentioned this entry - unless it was the couple who
    enjoyed the event but thought it was “devilishly long”.

  9. Lafayette said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:18 pm:
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    I doubt most will find this surprising. I sure didn’t.
    Thanks for posting this Citizen of Manassas.

    CitizenofManassas said on 2 Dec 2007 at 10:44 pm:
    Look what group won 3rd place in the dance category.

    http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353710517&path=

  10. Dolph said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:23 pm:
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    UnMasMexican,

    Unfortunately, that is not the message that came through. When I googled that festival, I saw no reference to Christmas. There are so many positive things that could have been done by members of the Latino community that would have created a different response. I am just curious why some of the beautiful ceremonies from your country were not chosen.

    I did not go to the parade and I am trying to keep an open mind. I have not seen anything yet that gives me room to put a positive connotation on that display other than my 6 year old grandson’s facination with it. He particularly enjoyed telling me about the ‘mucinex challenged’ (my words, not his) guy because he knew it would gross me out. He laughed hysterically over all of it. I don’t think this was the desired reaction.

    Paz,

    Dolph

  11. Dolph said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:29 pm:
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    JL,

    You never told me you were a Roman! You rascal you!

    ~~grin~~

  12. John Light said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:35 pm:
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    Dolph,
    Not Roman…just sitting here by my computer

    Grin

  13. ddpdrinker said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:45 pm:
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    How many actual dance groups were in the parade???

  14. clover lead said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:52 pm:
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    Yeah the kids looks frightened as all hell. This makes you look so trivial, it is quite hilarious. But then again, I expect nothing less from you. You’ve really gone down hill.

  15. West Gate Witch said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:08 am:
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    I bet there weren’t more than ten dance groups at best. From the sounds of the winners. There may have only been three dance groups. :)
    Does anyone have a program from the parade or was there and recalls?

  16. Advocator said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:17 am:
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    Where were the Horseywomen Police?

  17. Ducky said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:33 am:
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    The Christmas tree is also of Pagan origin, according to Wiki:

    Patron trees (for example, the Irminsul, Thor’s Oak and the figurative Yggdrasil) held special significance for the ancient Germanic tribes, appearing throughout historic accounts as sacred symbols and objects. According to Adam of Bremen, in Scandinavia the Germanic pagan kings sacrificed nine males (the number nine is a significant number in Norse mythology) of each species at the sacred groves every ninth year.[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree

    That being the case, I don’t think we can criticize the display just for being pagan; o/w we’d have to do away with a lot of our Christmas traditions.

  18. Ducky said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:01 am:
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    By the way, where was Corey Steward when all this was happening? I thought he was the savior of PWC from illegals and all.

  19. Vienna Citizen said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:23 am:
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    Instead of giving the group an award, the police should have arrested them.

    They broke the UNITED STATES CODE, TITLE 36
    CHAPTER 10, section 175 at least three times by posting the American flag and the Mexican flag at the same height, on the side of a vehicle, and with it appearing in a parade “float” situation.

    (See §175. Position and manner of display)

  20. Ducky said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:36 am:
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    So call the police.

  21. Krusty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:13 am:
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    Greg’s 11:01 pm rant is pathetic. This is just the kind of thing he’d grab onto and run with for as long as possible. And when the controversy seems to die down, he comes along with something like this to stoke the fire. UnMas never said that we should adopt “every trapping of third-world cultural debris”. It’s ridiculous to say that everything in a Christmas parade has to do with the birth of Christ. My gosh, tell me what cheer leaders, scout troups, dance troups, fire engines, ad infinitum has to to with Christ! - Among the price winners were Gregory Construction, Northside Auto, and Parrotsheads of the Old Dominion. Now, there you have REAL Christmasy participants!

    As for the woman in red to the left in the picture; what she is reacting to is the sun in her eyes. Really, Greg!

  22. freedom said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:52 am:
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    No, not every entry in the parade needs to be of a Christian theme, but if they are in the parade, it should be in celebration of the Christmas season.

    I think Dolph hit the nail on the head with her question: “Do you think something could have been done differently to create a more positive image”?

    Whether Latino custom for Christmas or not, injecting satan into a Christmas celebration, i.e., the parade, is certainly not an American custom, and in fact, repulses many Americans. So my follow-on question would be: “Was the intent of the Latino “float” intended to create a positive image or was it to ‘poke a stick in the eye’ of the American people”? Like Dolph’s, mine is a serious question too.

    Most would agree that “creating a positive image” is a good thing and “stick poking,” is a bad thing. Agree with that or not, I don’t believe that injecting satan into the Christmas parade, particularly at this time, did a lot to endear the Manassas citizens with the plight of illegal aliens, even if the participants WERE legal. …just an opinion, but it certainly seems to me that “creating a positive image” would be of far more benefit than what was done.

  23. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:24 am:
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    The woman in red looks as if she’s shielding her eyes from the sun and the crowd looks nonplussed. If the crowd were horrified, they were showing it in genteel Southern style not a’ la Hollywood. It seems as if the horror has been limited to this blog. The MJM said there were belly dancers…where was the horror as a bunch of plump middle-aged women caught their hubbies eyeing those dancers!!

  24. El Guapo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:33 am:
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    Well, anonymoustoo, if the belly dancers were Mexican, then there would have been some outrage. These people are really just upset about immigrants, and they search near and far and up every culdesac and in every nook and cranny looking for something to complain about. They’re even upset about a sign that promotes peace and love just because a Hispanic person put it there.

  25. AWCheney said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:44 am:
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    I think Freedom said it best with her “poke in the eye” remark. If the Latino community was, indeed, interested in living in peace with the rest of us they wouldn’t be trying to “poke us in the eye” at every turn. This past year has been one long continual “poke in the eye” from Hispanic extremists and their Anglo supporters. It’s almost as if they are TRYING stir up anger and negative emotions to the point where violence is inevitable.

    If any reasonable Latinos who actually came to this country for the purposes that they claim (wanting only to work, seek a new and better life for their families, and earn the American dream on the path to citizenship) then they better start thinking long and hard about those they are allowing to put THIS face upon their efforts. I have NO DOUBT that this “devil face” will come back to haunt them over and over again over the course of the next year.

  26. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:47 am:
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    But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

  27. AWCheney said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:06 am:
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    Anonymous, you can’t forgive “trespasses” if those who “trespass” don’t recognize it as such…and they don’t.

  28. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:17 am:
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    For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matthew 6:14-15)

  29. k. o'toole said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:29 am:
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    The Mexican display was offensive and grotesque. Keep it in Mexico.

  30. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:30 am:
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    As I have posted on the previous thread about this - Yes, the dancers were targeted small children, even toddlers. One child wasn’t even looking at the parade and one of the dancers who had a whip ran up to him and touched him on the shoulder. When the child turned around, the dancer screamed at him. The dancers were actively trying to scare the children. I saw it. I didn’t like it. I’m glad my husband took my child to the library before these dancers came around. If the City of Manassas wants to invite these dancers again, they should advertise a warning to parents of small children. It could read: Parents please be advised that the Mexican entry could frighten youngsters. So it may be best to leave children at home.

    Imagine that. A Christmas parade that frightens children.

  31. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:31 am:
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    Sorry, targeted should read targeting. Still recovering from Westgate virus.

  32. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:14 am:
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    AWCheney,

    “It’s almost as if they are TRYING stir up anger and negative emotions to the point where violence is inevitable.

    If any reasonable Latinos who actually came to this country for the purposes that they claim (wanting only to work, seek a new and better life for their families, and earn the American dream on the path to citizenship) then they better start thinking long and hard about those they are allowing to put THIS face upon their efforts. I have NO DOUBT that this “devil face” will come back to haunt them over and over again over the course of the next year.”

    The anger is coming from this blog and HSM. If there’s violence, most reasonable people in Manassas and PWC will know exactly where to point the finger.

    Why do you think everyone has to assimilate to your culture? And, BTW, what exactly is your culture? Southern? Republican extremist? Small town? Consumer-oriented? Metropolitan? Militaristic? Church-going? What are we talking about here?

    And, Patty, I hope you save all the crying babies from Santa’s lap too.

  33. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:28 am:
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    Ducky said

    QUACK QUACK

  34. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:31 am:
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    Krusty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:13 am:
    Among the price winners were Gregory Construction, Northside Auto, and Parrotsheads of the Old Dominion. Now, there you have REAL Christmasy participants!

    Were they having a sale?

  35. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:35 am:
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    AWCheney said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:06 am:
    Anonymous, you can’t forgive “trespasses” if those who “trespass” don’t recognize it as such…and they don’t.

    We have about 12-20 million trespassing.

  36. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:43 am:
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    What is “our culture”?
    Fear of what we do not understand.

    There are other groups who think the world should think as they do and all others are pagans and unworthy.

    “Hostility toward America is a religious duty, and we hope to be rewarded for it by God” OBL

    We should be careful not to become our emeny.

  37. One Voice said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:43 am:
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    Nick -

    The Irish don’t mess with Satan. We are afraid. Closest we get to connecting with evil are the bad fairies…. :)

  38. AWCheney said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:47 am:
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    It so happens, anonymoustoo, I am myself a naturalized citizen. It so happens that MY culture is a mix of German and American with a smattering of international travel and exposure to other cultures thrown in. You may have noticed that the majority of those who have posted on this blog with international experience are equally incensed by the total disregard for American culture as I.

    NO ONE regards assimilation as a total immersion into “being American” (what is that, anyway?) as you and some others seem to believe. This entire country is built upon the assimilation of a multitude of nationalities, races, and cultures which have enriched that American culture and made it so unique. Assimilation is a healthy RESPECT for the culture, laws, and nature of the country which you hope will accept you. It’s not a flaunting of what makes you different, but a celebration of those things you share, and a desire to live in peace with one another. That is the LAST thing that these extremists have shown us in the past year or so.

  39. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:48 am:
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    According to Greg, ‘Monday night there will be a Manassas City town hall meeting at (appropriately) Haydon Elementary School. It’s a great opportunity for some parents to have a little chat with the City Council about this.’

    What authority does the Manassas City Council have over the Manassas Christmas Parade?

    I questioned Lafayette (the resident PW/Manassas honorary historian) about who were the official sponsors of the parade. She told me it was the Greater Manassas Chamber of Commerce.

    It seems to me that if anyone had a serious issue with any parade participant, the CoC should be the place to address the problem, rather than expecting government to fix all of our problems.

  40. me-n-u said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:52 am:
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    anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:14 am:

    Your in fantasyland! No one from HSM has advocated violence. MWB has spoken publicly about revolution on numerous occasions. What’s up with that?

    The American people are asking that immigrants, legal and illegal follow our laws. No OVERCROWDING of homes. No DRIVING w/o a license or insurance. I could go on and on.

    And Dolph is right. When a percentage of the Hispanic population continually throws a bunch of CRAP in our faces, it makes us angry!!!

  41. 999 said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:57 am:
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    Dolph said on 2 Dec 2007 at 11:23 pm:
    UnMasMexican,

    Unfortunately, that is not the message that came through. When I googled that festival, I saw no reference to Christmas.

    And as stated previously, there is no connection with Christmas and in fact this dance ritual, which is pre-Columbian has no devil. Read the ENTIRE description of this “dance” from a link provided in a previous post and you will have your eyes opened as to what it truly signifies.

    Dolph - hope everyone stayed clear of the jaguar tail! grin

  42. The Lord Knows My Name said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:07 am:
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    I have read the comments here and over at NLS from those who ridicule Greg and others for expressing their outrage at this display. They talk about “diversity” and “inclusion”, say Greg is overreacting, and imply that Greg is less-than-Christian because of his outrage. It’s worse over at NLS. Why do I think that these same individuals would stand silent if those “offended” by Christian symbols attacked a groups wish to put up a nativity scene? Why do I believe that these very same “enlightened” people would be on the side of those who want “God” stricken from our pledge, taken off our money, and removed from any public dscussion?

    Why? Because next to getting us kicked out of paradise, Satan’s biggest accomplishment was to convince people that he doesn’t exist. We see it in errosion of parental rights. We see it how our children are being taught in school. We see all kinds of moral rot being defended by “enlightened” people, who preach tolerance, inclusion, diversity.

    As a Christian, I know that while the Lord may be forgiving of my sins, he does not tolerate them. The gospel teaches us that the wages of sin are death.

    I commend Greg for taking the stands that he does. He does not preach “hate”. He doesn’t encourage people to do unlawful things to others. I have been to HSM meetings and I have read this blog. I don’t see hate here. What I see is someone trying to stop the moral decay of our society.

    In the Gospel, Christ went into the temple and chased out the money-changers, and those selling offerrings. He was critical of many aspects of society, that “enlightened” people thought were just fine, no big deal.

    Those who ridicule Greg and other conservatives I pray for you. I pray that you wake up to the fact that Satan is very real, and you are doing his work. He is the deceiver. He works in subtle ways. Look around and see. All that is good is under attack. Family. Christianity. Our children, both born and unborn.

  43. Big Dog said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am:
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    Why wasn’t there a HSM float and/or dancing group?
    Now that might be interesting.

  44. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:30 am:
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    “In the Gospel, Christ went into the temple and chased out the money-changers, and those selling offerrings”

    Good thing no one is making money on Christmas

    Watch out! Be on your guard against
    all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

  45. floodguy said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:36 am:
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    Pagan parade march in a Christmas, errr holiday parade?!

    I sure hope your Manassas leaders put an end to this for next year.

    I can’t understand why its okay to poke fun at or disrespect anything Christian things. It seems like whenever someone or some group feels like it, they get away with this sort of activity. I’m still p.o’ed at Lowe’s flyer that advertised “family trees” in lieu of Christmas trees!

    Why did the parade organizers even allow this? Imagine if the anti-immigration crowd participated in Manassas’s Cinco de Mayo parade next year, dressed up as migrant workers dying of dehydration as they act out crossing through the desert southwest?

    I hope you guys are having a nice Christmas (or holiday) season. I sure am.

  46. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:38 am:
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    Anonymoustoo,

    There is a big difference between a Santa that sits in a chair and says ho ho ho and a person dressed up in scary mask with a whip that runs up to a child for the sole purpose of scaring them. Are you a sane person?

  47. One Voice said on 3 Dec 2007 at 10:53 am:
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    Dolph - saw your post about Chamber vs Government. Yes, the Chamber should address this issue. That is not the mission of the City Council - wouldn’t want the government to take over parades!!! Not my tax dollars. Please!!!!!

  48. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:02 am:
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    I have said it many times, the ILLEGALS are going about this the wrong way; they need to be quiet and do their thing, assimilate and no one would be the wiser. I am sure no one would question them if they spoke decent English. They would probably assume you were here legally. By pushing the hate and prejudice towards the “American way” so many have been quoted as their desire, just adapt, compromise and overcome. The American way you have said you (ILLEGALS) want is assimilation to the American traditions and obeying the laws of the land.

    The main thing that has everyone in an uproar is the ILLEGALS lack of respect for the American tradition of assimilation, obeying the law and trying to force your culture down our throats.

    Now, before I get the we are trying to force our culture down your throat, remember, you came HERE, we didn’t go to your country.

    (PC Opinion disclaimer: Please note I have not directed this to Hispanics or any other specific group, but ILLEGALS in general! If the shoe fits WEAR IT!!!!)

  49. Red Woman said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:04 am:
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    I posted my long rant on the other thread about the parade, and I don’t want to repeat all of it, but I largely sided with UnMasMexican. Hey, why have we accepted the Christmas tree in America from Germany, but not the Krampus? (He’s a horned demon looking thing that whips people. Hangs with Santa in German tradition. Way scarier than Mexican dancers.)

    On another topic raised, I get furious about stores that ignore Christmas and won’t say anything about it. But want to get even? Don’t buy at those stores. Write to them and tell them why you are not buying there. Stores don’t mention Christmas because they think it hurts business. A couple years back Target was targeted by angry Christians and they started running Merry Christmas ads again. If businesses don’t wish us Merry Christmas, then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

    I know a family that decided to forego all gifts. Money spent on presents was spent on gifts to charities and on one or two small items. They dished up dinners at a shelter before sitting down to their own dinner. They are the happiest family I’ve ever met and its not as if they live in a perfect world. But their kids don’t care about Santa. Thank heavens. There are still some true Christians left in this world. And the Nativity Scene in their living room is bigger than the tree, too.

  50. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    Patty, you question my sanity? I’ve lived long enough to see the crying kids fousted off onto Santa’s lap, the Disney characters and clowns approach kiddos, and Halloween monsters come to the door. In my experience most little kids are scared by the loud band music. I’ve read enough of your posts to know where your agenda is.

    AWCheney, I’m not surprised by your attitude because many people who emigrate legally are ticked that others don’t follow the rules. In fact, some of the loudest opponents of illegal immigration are legal immigrants…kind of the last one in syndrone. I’m also well aware of enclaves of immigrants that didn’t initially assimilate. Most of us who have travelled have visited various Chinatowns, Italian enclaves, etc.

    me-n-u,

    AWCheney is the person who mentioned violence:
    “It’s almost as if they are TRYING stir up anger and negative emotions to the point where violence is inevitable.”
    Also, I can’t help wanting to say “u-n-I” as I want to read your name as subjective instead of objective.

  51. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:20 am:
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    Yeah, don’t take your fight to the Chamber of Commerce. Instead go whining to the City Council which you must view as Daddy who will wipe your noses and take care of all your problems.

  52. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:21 am:
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    Anonymous,

    Let’s give the rest of the passage:

    And Jesus said to His disciples, “‘Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. ‘Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.’ When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, ‘Then who can be saved?’ And looking at them Jesus said to them, ‘With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.’” Matthew 19:23-26.

  53. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:25 am:
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    anonymoustoo,

    Your comments answered my question. I hope you never work with children.

  54. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:37 am:
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    Patty, I don’t work with them, but my sister is on the front line in protecting them as a CPS worker. She works with the police and schools to protect them from really heinous situations. She’s not on some blog whining about Hispanics in a parade. I’d take her input any day over yours.

  55. Advocator said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:47 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64:

    You’re speaking for yourself when you say that illegals would be accepted if they assimilated. I would not accept an invasion of 20 million illegals no matter how much they looked and acted like you or me or June Cleaver.

    If the Horseywomen Police had been at the parade, I’m sure they would have taken control of the satanic situation.

  56. Dazed and Confused said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:52 am:
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    I thought the horseywomen were a waste of tax dollars???? I just can’t keep up with convictions de jour on this site……

  57. Concerned said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:19 pm:
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    After World War II a slogan emerged in many parts of the world disparaging people from the United States as “the ugly American” because of the perception that we refused to speak the languages of other nations, looked down on people elsewhere, and attempted to impose our culture on others. All this notwithstanding the fact that we had been invited to fight and die helping to put an end to Hitler and the Nazi regime. Memories are short, indeed.

    When will the multicultural and politically-correct crowd apply the same standards to the “ugly immigrant” in the United States who expects us to dispense with our culture and replace it with theirs, to provide translations of everything into their language because they don’t want to bother learning English, and to provide public services for them that even the “ugly American” of the past would not have dreamed of demanding despite their perhaps less urbane ways? Don’t hold your breath waiting.

    The Satan float is probably well understood and accepted as part of Christmas celebrations in Mexican culture. It’s not part of American culture and never will be assimilated into American Christmas traditions without involuntary imposition by the forces of political correctness. Elements of a Christmas parade that scare children and elevate evil, despite the meaning of such portrayals in other cultures, are not how Americans have come to understand the holiday. Nonetheless, those who want to uphold American traditions are excoriated, as Greg has been, as intolerant and bigoted.

    I recall posts in another recent thread on BVBL describing how the immigrant population treated Thanksgiving this year as just another day. Posts described the hustle and bustle of shoppers, traffic and other activities on the part of immigrants on this day that had always been quiet and treated as sacred family time by Americans (even if many did spend the day quietly in their homes watching football). It’s part of our culture and how we live.

    In a survey of 15,000 European hoteliers conducted on behalf of travel web site Expedia earlier this year, tourists from the United States were rated second most popular in the world for attempting to speak local languages, always trying the local food, and spending a lot of money, despite being considered loud. Japanese tourists rated number one because they are considered polite and tidy. Rating last were the French who refuse to speak foreign languages or try local foods followed by the Indians, Chinese and Russians.

    Americans are the most welcoming, tolerant and generous people in the world. This goodness in our character, however, is being abused and taken advantage of by people from all over the world who come here illegally to a large degree and demand that we accommodate them rather than assimilate into American culture. Respecting the nation to where they have moved its people means that the immigrants must adapt their traditions to fit our culture. Omitting Satan from the Christmas parade is one example that comes to mind.

    Americans are not bigoted or intolerant because they expect their traditions to be honored. We’re bludgeoned over the head incessantly by the multicultural and politically-correct crowd about being open and accepting of the ways of people from other cultures. Fine. When are they going to develop some sensitivity for our culture and way of life? The days of the “ugly American” ended years ago. Americans are now contending with the “ugly immigrant” who refuses to assimilate and accept that our ways of life and traditions have as much validity as their own.

  58. Once Voice said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:33 pm:
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    Well said. Americans have been saddled with guilt for some reason for what we have, what we’ve accomplished and what we will can do when put to the test. We have been made to feel guilty instead of thankful for what we have. (remember all the starving children in someplace?!!)

    If we felt more thankful than guilty, we might have better manners and a higher expectation of civility from others. We’ve become a negative society quick to look for, find and place blame. We cannot seem to overlook anything at all - even once in a while.

    I, for one, believe that good manners override just about all other qualities in a person. Good manners toward an adoptive country would have prevented that ridiculous display.

    Good manners. We would all benefit from them.

  59. Big Dog said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:49 pm:
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    The 62nd Annual Manassas Christmas Parade - Proudly
    Sponsored by Gregory Construction.

    Christmas Parade Contributors - 45 listed on program -
    including Boy Scout Troup #1185, Didlake and the
    Manassas Volunteer Fire Department.

    The Judges were, well, real Judges from our local
    court system.

    “We offer our deepest gratitude to all those volunteers who
    work as Parade Marshals, Staging Marshals, Balloon
    Handlers and all those individuals who have worked tirelessy
    behind the scenes.” - Historic Manassas

    These sound like pretty good folks to me. Sad that
    BVBL has focused on one unorthodox entry out of 105
    and ignored the rest of a great community event.

  60. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 12:53 pm:
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    Where is the outrage over the belly dancers? How do they fit into the tradition of a Christmas parade? Oh, the theme was a Tropical Christmas. Belly dancers are no more out of place than the topic of scorn here.

    Concerned, if you could have been on the flight from Helsinki that I was on, you’d know that the image of the ugly American (at least from New Jersey)is still alive. We’re on par with the French when it comes to “speak English (or French) or else…”

  61. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:04 pm:
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    He focused on it because it didn’t belong in the Christmas parade.

  62. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:19 pm:
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    Advocator, I am not saying the ILLEGALS will be granted amnesty. I am saying they would more than likely blend in and walk among us like the spies of old did. I do not accept them either. We are on the same page here (c: I was speaking in general terms. If they were to assimilate, they would probably be less likely to be scrutinized vs an ILLEGAL that has not made any effort what so ever.

  63. rhyme time said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:29 pm:
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    Is the float they put in the parade
    The cause of such stupid tirade?
    It’s not about Satan, it’s Latinos you’re hatin’
    “Rule of Law” is no more than charade!

  64. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:33 pm:
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    Posted on another thread, but I see relevance for it here:

    Again, El Guapo, it is the blatant snubbing of the ILLEGALS noses at the law. This is what people are upset about:

    The ILLEGALS protesting when they are here ILLEGALLY.
    The ILLEGALS demanding they be accepted before someone that has made the LEGAL trip through immigration.
    The ILLEGALS demanding everyone change to their values.
    The ILLEGALS driving down wages because they are willing to slave themselves out for the day at sub standard pay.
    The ILLEGALS flying the Mexican flag above or prominent to the US flag.

    The last time I checked this IS AMERICA. If people can not adapt to the culture and traditions of this land as it stands, then go back to where you came from. The only reason the ILLEGALS demonstrate is because we let them. It is time to enforce the demonstration permit law and other laws in the area. The sign is on a building that has been slated for demolition. It has not been demolished and therefore, is in violation of the law.

  65. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:36 pm:
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    rhyme, you are off again as usual. It has NOTHING to do with Latinos, Mexicans, El Salvadorians, Chinese, Japanese or German. It has to do with ILLEGALS. Once you and the others like you get this into your head, THEN and only then, will you understand. I have not seen a single post about this say Latinos. This is your way of bringing race into it because you know what we are saying is right. ILLEGALS are not welcome, no matter where they come from!!

  66. me-n-u said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:37 pm:
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    I believe that the City Council gives some money to the Christmas parade. It happens on city streets and the ctiy police are the ones who are out patroling. So why wouldn’t people complain to the City Council if they are upset about this?

    Once again mouse, if it was white, black or green people, the citizens who attended this parade would have been upset. Unfortunately it happened to be the Hispanic’s that performed this”dance”

  67. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:42 pm:
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    Interesting tidbit from my uncle in OK. He sends this kind of stuff to me because of my proximity to DC:

    Firearm Death Statistic

    Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S. Involvement in Iraq, here is a sobering statistic:

    There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 40 months, and a total of 3,567 deaths.

    That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

    The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. Is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period.

    That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq.

    Obvious Conclusion : The U.S. should pull out of Washington..

    (PC opinion disclaimer: Of course this is to show the problem in DC, but the pull out is tongue in cheek!!!)

  68. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:47 pm:
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    Santa….Satan

    move a few letters
    kind of scary OOOOOOOO

    who said they where illegals?

    Sorry have to go

    a life is calling me

  69. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:50 pm:
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    Big Dog, time to wake up and smell the Alpo. The ONLY reason this was even mentioned is because of the blatant disregard to the theme of the parade. It was a Christmas parade. A parade to celebrate the joy of the season. No matter how one tries to spin the good and evil this Satan character of the dance troupe was suppose to portray, it didn’t come off that way. It comes off, as many of the demonstrations do, as snubbing their noses at the rule of law. (i.e. Liberty street sign)

    This was done to bring attention to themselves as shock value and that has happened. However, these people need to be careful how they introduce the shock value, because when some people are cornered with the feeling that not enough is being done, they tend to take matters into their own hands.

    I am not saying I personally will do this, but there are many less stable than I am out there in the big world.

  70. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:51 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:47 pm: I haven’t seen anyone accuse them of being ILLEGALS. I have seen someone speak up about the lack of tact at a Christmas parade.

  71. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:54 pm:
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    The old adage…One bad apple applies here as well!!!

    I would be interested in seeing the exit poll of the parade to find out how many were upset about Satan walking in the Christmas parade.

  72. Al D'Ente said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:56 pm:
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    “Dazed and Confused said on 3 Dec 2007 at 11:52 am:
    I thought the horseywomen were a waste of tax dollars???? I just can’t keep up with convictions de jour on this site……”

    Dazed,

    PWCPD has “horseywomen”. MCPD does not. The parade was in MANASSAS (CITY OF) and crowd control performed by MCPD.

    Could you possibly be the same individual who has put the 9500 Liberty sign up? He doesn’t know the difference between MANASSAS (CITY OF) and Prince William County either.

  73. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:13 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award)

    You did

    “Posted on another thread, but I see relevance for it here:

    Again, El Guapo, it is the blatant snubbing of the ILLEGALS noses at the law. This is what people are upset about:”

  74. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:17 pm:
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    The Horseywomen should have been invited as a parade entry. They are very impressive.
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    I do not think that the parade falls under the jurisdiction of the City Council. Sure MC government provides a cleared street, law enforcement, and all the other amenities that come under the category of ‘events.’ Any municipality takes on this kind of responsibility in towns and cities across America.

    I would think that the City Council would be treading on thin ice to get involved in this bruhaha in any official capacity, if for no other reason than avoiding run-ins with the establishment clause. Responsibility rests with the sponsors/organizers of the parade. Perhaps if there is enough of a stink made, they will supervise parade entries more carefully in the future. That would be a shame to turn something fun into a vetting process.

    On the other hand, while I believe poor judgement was used by the El Diablo group, it is over. If seeing that display is the worst thing that ever happens to my grandchildren, I will consider myself mighty fortunate.

    In the immortal words of Flip Wilson…’The Devil made me do it.’

    ~~splash~~

  75. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:30 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:13 pm:

    PLEASE get the facts straight before you try to call someone out. (c:

    My post:

    “Posted on another thread, but I see relevance for it here:

    Again, El Guapo, it is the blatant snubbing of the ILLEGALS noses at the law. This is what people are upset about:”

    was to the following:

    El Guapo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:49 am:

    He’s really upset about that sign. Isn’t he? That says a lot about him.

    It has nothing to do with the dance troupe. It was the whole post I thought was relevent to the topic. But of course many like you just pick and choose what you wish to post when you try to call someone out. Please get the whole story in context before you post these out. Thanks (c:

  76. West Gate Witch said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:32 pm:
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    Dolph-I’m not sure the City Council will get involved on this too much, if at all. Look how they seem to leave the “owner” of 9500 Liberty alone, and the Don’s John’s too. They are pretty tolerant of that whole situation.
    In the immortal words of Flip Wilson…”I smell a rat, and the wind in coming from your direction.”
    FYI-Did “fly by” to “have a Coke and a Smile”, but the “coke machine” was GONE!!

  77. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:32 pm:
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    That is true Dolph, however, I think they would be the first to call any attempt to quash their participation as racist, not off theme.

    BTW, I remember Flip Wilson!! Thanks for the trip back down memory lane!!

  78. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:36 pm:
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    WHOO HOO WGW!!! It is good news to hear it has been removed. Maybe one step at a time and things can be upgraded to follow the law.

    I agree with you and the City Council in regards to the Liberty street mess. They seem to take a hands off approach. I wonder how many businesses have complained about it.

    I wonder how much longer our brothers and sisters in the sanctuary cities can survive the influx into their tax base and how much longer they will tolerate it?

  79. Krusty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:44 pm:
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    I’m ashamed of myself for actually taking the time to read all of this. Talk about tempest in a teapot. I must give it to Greg L. He sure know which buttons to push. This case has all the ingredients he needs; Christ, Satan, Mexican flags, US flags not high enough, illegal immigrants, scared children, religious proselytizeing with candy canes. Even ACLU was mentioned.
    I, for one, am done, d o n e, DONE with this bagatelle!!!!
    Hasta la vista. Ciao. Auf Wiederseh’n, au revoire, sampai jumpa lagi, tata, etc. etc.

  80. West Gate Witch said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:44 pm:
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    /\/\64(40Kth poster)-Good question about the businesses. I think anytime we are in a local business in the city, we should ask them if they complained. If I were a business owner in Olde Towne, I would be complaining daily and every turn I could. I think it’s probably illegal for a witch to obtain a business license. Now, if I were an illegal alien I would need a business license. I would just open up shop in my residence.

    The sanctuary cities will wait til it has more than landed on it’s door step. The good citizen’s of these sanctuary cities must speak out, and actively involved NOW! Not later.

  81. West Gate Witch said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:47 pm:
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    oops~Now, if I were an illegal alien I would need a business license.**should read I would not need a business license**

  82. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:48 pm:
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    WGW,

    I sure hope Flip wasn’t talking to MOI. Nothing ratty over this direction, thank goodness! I hear the rats are so big and bad they pack heat.

    Glad the fly-by reports no more coke machines. Did you see the polar bears with that coke machine before it left?

  83. rhyme time said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:49 pm:
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    No problem with ‘’wearin the green”
    Or that satanic day, Halloween
    You only go manic, if the culprit’s hispanic
    The dancers status remains to be seen

  84. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:57 pm:
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    Medic,

    You’d better watch statements like this or the FBI will have a float following up HSM’s next year:

    “This was done to bring attention to themselves as shock value and that has happened. However, these people need to be careful how they introduce the shock value, because when some people are cornered with the feeling that not enough is being done, they tend to take matters into their own hands.

    I am not saying I personally will do this, but there are many less stable than I am out there in the big world.”

    It looks as though some HSM members are looking for an excuse to up the ante.

  85. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:00 pm:
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    West Gate Witch ,

    I patronize one of the boutiques in Old Town and if I found out the owner was a bigot, I’d stop buying her expensive clothes. So it may be dangerous to ask the owners to complain. Afterall, the City is limited in its response and probably is pursuing action at a pace at which it will withstand court scrutiny.

  86. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    Rhyme time,

    Good limericks!

  87. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:28 pm:
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    A new Poet Laureate?

    ~~splash~~

  88. josh said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:31 pm:
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    The krampus (or in austria krampusse) actually hangs out with st. nick during his travels. And he exists in some cartoons over in europe. and is known to beat people with sticks and chains who are bad.

    krampus is pretty pagan, some area’s depict him as a trickster, some depict him as evil.

    where my family is from (baden-baden) he’s a trickster and not all too horrible.

    some of the masks I’ve seen of krampus make that devil one up top look pretty tame!

    Josh

  89. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:37 pm:
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    josh,

    Krampus is one fugly dude.

    http://www.krampus.com/

    ~~[\/]~~

  90. Patty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:45 pm:
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    WGW,

    Do you think the Coke machine might be in the “tool shed”. Next time the informant is over, I’ll ask.

    Too bad you didn’t see the parade with devil. There was also someone dressed up with a skull face. Seems like this entry would have been more appropriate for a Halloween parade.

  91. Dazed and Confused said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:49 pm:
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    Al D’Ente said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:56 pm
    Dazed,

    PWCPD has “horseywomen”. MCPD does not. The parade was in MANASSAS (CITY OF) and crowd control performed by MCPD.

    Could you possibly be the same individual who has put the 9500 Liberty sign up? He doesn’t know the difference between MANASSAS (CITY OF) and Prince William County either…..

    Al D’ente do you understand english? What I said was the horsey women were slammed here on BVBL a few months ago as a questionable expense of taxpayer dollars. I know they are PWCPD.

    How you linked that comment to the 9500 Liberty sign makes me question you grasp of the language. Maybe it was the use of “de jour” that threw you off.

  92. veteran said on 3 Dec 2007 at 3:59 pm:
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    Dazed: don’t be upset. Remember to ratchet down your vocabulary to a tenth grade level and you will do fine. No foreign words either (they are the devil’s work).

  93. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:08 pm:
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    At long last. I just asked the gkids’ father how he liked the Christmas parade. He said only one thing grossed him out: The Suburban Gypsies. I am assuming these are the belly dancers. I asked why. He said too much exposure and cleavage for a children’s parade. This guy is no prude.

    Don’t shoot me. I am only the messenger.
    ~~splash~~

  94. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:15 pm:
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    DON’T YOU RECOGNIZE THE ONE IN RED ?????

    It’s Chief Skinner!

    And if you look close, you may even recognize Larry Hughes following him.

  95. Bob Sentz said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:39 pm:
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    anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:14 am:
    Why do you think everyone has to assimilate to your culture? And, BTW, what exactly is your culture?
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    Duh…!!!

  96. redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:58 pm:
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    What is the purpose of snot hanging out of the nose of the one costume? What does that represent?

  97. freedom said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:58 pm:
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    See ya Krusty…sure has been nice knowin’ ya, but you know what they say about doors, on your way out….:)

  98. freedom said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:05 pm:
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    Just being gross, redawn….more of the same ol’ sos…

  99. 999 said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:23 pm:
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    freedom said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:58 pm:
    See ya Krusty…sure has been nice knowin’ ya, but you know what they say about doors, on your way out….:)

    Can’t miss!

  100. 999 said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:25 pm:
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    redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 4:58 pm:
    What is the purpose of snot hanging out of the nose of the one costume? What does that represent?

    He didn’t want to use his sleeve. Poor manners to do so!

  101. 999 said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:32 pm:
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    Krusty said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:44 pm:
    I’m ashamed of myself

    We could tell!

  102. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:33 pm:
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    Again rhyme, it isn’t about the status or the fact they were Hispanic, it was about being appropriate for a Christmas parade. Once you stop making it about Hispanics, the better off you will be.
    ___________________________________________

    See ya Krusty, glad to see another ILLEGAL apologist bite the dust. I am in hopes that many more will follow to help speed pave the way to a time when ILLEGALS are no more!!
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    anonymoustoo, If they are and it doesn’t involve violence, then I am all for it and support it. I have no quarrel with Hispanics or any other culture that is in this area. The problem I have is with the ILLEGALS, whether they are Japanese, Korean or Hispanic. It doesn’t matter to me. I still do not see where the Hispanics get off thinking they have the ILLEGAL status cornered. This is a problem with all of those who are here ILLEGALLY, whether they crossed a desert or flew here from overseas. People who want the law enforced are not racists or bigots.
    ___________________________________________

    redawn….nothing more than shock value.

  103. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:37 pm:
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    El Guapo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:33 am:
    Well, anonymoustoo, if the belly dancers were Mexican, then there would have been some outrage.

    WOW! Can you just picture that? Would probably have had the spectators rolling in the streets.

  104. Anonymous said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:44 pm:
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    rhyme time said on 3 Dec 2007 at 1:29 pm:
    Is the float they put in the parade
    The cause of such stupid tirade?
    It’s not about Satan, it’s Latinos you’re hatin’
    “Rule of Law” is no more than charade!

    DON’T GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB (IF YOU HAVE ONE.)

  105. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40,000th post award) said on 3 Dec 2007 at 5:53 pm:
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    BTW, IMHO, Krusty hasn’t left, he will be back in 3-5 days either as Krusty or with a new handle. He can’t stand not being able to voice his opinion :)

  106. freedom said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:23 pm:
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    Call it the way you want, Anonymous….the result is the same — whether you choose to call me “racist” or not…and btw, because of where it comes from, I’m kinda beginning to like that title….

  107. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:24 pm:
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    Krusty is a she…therefore Ms. Krusty. I will miss her if she doesn’t come back, but I think she will. I personally think it is neat that someone her age is savvy enough to come on here and duke it out.

    There is nothing worse than preaching to the choir day in and day out. Hearing someone else’s opinion never hurt anyone.

    ~~splash~~

  108. anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:37 pm:
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    Bob Sentz , I notice everyone fails to define “our culture”. Wanna get specific?

  109. redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:53 pm:
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    Krusty will be back “as one door closes another opens ( to spin off of what Freedom said) :) sorry, I couldn’t resist. Anyway, maybe the snot nosed creature is the effect of someone not saying bless you, I don’t get it but it’s gross.
    Has anyone found out who the dance group was? It was not mentioned in the honorable third place winners notification in the paper. If I knew, I would contact them to find out more info. and see where they were from and what the dance was all about.

  110. josh said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:22 pm:
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    Dolph,

    Krampus rocks! it’s proof positive that for every positive there is a negative. That’s what I like about him, doesnt anyone wonder what happens to all the bad kids on Christmas? In our world nothing, unless you count getting sticks and coal in the stocking..what fun is that?

    a nice little demon coming along to smack the kids around will surely scare them into being good :)

    December 6th is the date for krampus to come…krampusnacht is awesome, I’ve never heard of it being celebrated here but where my family lives in baden-baden it’s a blast. Lots of demon masks and people just plain having fun. December 6th pretty much kicks off the christmas season over there, it’s like a month long party.

    oh…and I do have a krampus mask as well, unfortunately my daughter and son are not scared of it..they think it’s funny!

  111. josh said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:25 pm:
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    I’m gonna miss Krusty,

    I enjoyed our “conversations”, they were very entertaining. It’s always nice chatting with a die-hard liberal.

  112. redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:46 pm:
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    Anonymoustoo,

    ” anonymoustoo said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:37 pm
    Bob Sentz , I notice everyone fails to define “our culture”. Wanna get specific?”

    You made me think of how I would answer the this question.
    I would like to take a stab at my definition of “The American Culture”
    I would say it is respectful, strong ,tolerable, admirable , arrogant/proud and diverse. With it being so, we have always been able to adapt, overcome and progress.( isn’t that respectful, strong, tolerable, admirable and or arrogant/proud?) I feel that no matter the American background, born or naturalized, we have been able to count on each other and make it stronger. We have learned to compromise,we have seen mistakes, forgiven and tried not to repeat them as we have learned to grown from them, etc.
    The times have been changing and getting more diverse but I the see the diversity as a DIVISION brought on by our OWN government through lack of respect by not listening to it’s OWN people and letting others come in with arrogance/lack of respect.How can one be so tolerable and strong when it is not admirable to come in and be demanding of OUR rights without the respect because they are not strong enough to do the right thing and get in line like everyone else.

    (arrogant/proud= can be either or)

  113. es_la_ley said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:14 pm:
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    redawn : Well said.

  114. Sam Clemmons said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:16 pm:
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    We (Americans) are the lavishest and showiest and most luxury-loving people on the earth; and at our masthead we fly one true and honest symbol, the gaudiest flag the world has ever seen.

  115. es_la_ley said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:27 pm:
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    We can have no “50-50″ allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.

    Theodore Roosevelt

  116. Dolph said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:31 pm:
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    Anonymoustoo,

    I am not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole re: defining ‘our’ culture. It all depends on a few small factors such as: where you live, your region, your race, your ethnicity, your income, your professional status, and probably a hundred more indicators. Dolph does not go where angels fear to tread.

    ~~splash~~

  117. es_la_ley said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:36 pm:
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    Dolph:

    “~~splash~~”

    ???

  118. redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:44 pm:
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    es_la_ley,
    Dolph:

    “~~splash~~”

    ???

    You have to pay attention and “dolphin watch” :) there she is…oh….did you see it…splash… ( dolph:swim/splash) :) she only comes up for air when she needs to say something and then she goes back and swims in tranquility )

    All this talk makes me want to go to the beach…forget this cold s…….tuff

  119. BordersWithoutMexicans said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:14 pm:
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    What’s not to like? The snot-nosed character and the thinly veiled S&M activity (whip-cracking in a Christmas parade?) For some reason we could not stop laughing at the hideous display. It was almost painful, and less funny when I thought about the poor kids in the float immediately before them. This kind of garbage shows us exactly what these folks are all about, how they not only flaunt our laws but spit on our traditions.

  120. redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:33 pm:
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    Sam.

    ” Sam Clemmons said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:16 pm:

    We (Americans) are the lavishest and showiest and most luxury-loving people on the earth; and at our masthead we fly one true and honest symbol, the gaudiest flag the world has ever seen.”

    Okay,I had to ask, I held out as LONG as I could…. ( my family has to hide my Christmas presents, I am to curious, lol ) Is this a quote?
    I fly that gaudiest flag and I think I have good taste, humble and proud :)

  121. John Light said on 4 Dec 2007 at 12:04 am:
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    rhyme time said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:49 pm:
    No problem with ‘’wearin the green”
    Or that satanic day, Halloween
    You only go manic, if the culprit’s hispanic
    The dancers status remains to be seen

    Well…

    Rhyme time thinks he’s a poet
    Just hand him a pipe and he’ll blow it.
    He hates all that’s good
    Cuz his head is made of wood
    His words just constantly show it.

    The last sentence of his rhyme makes no sense
    He’s either dumb or just really dense.
    He tries to take us on
    While hanging out with Juan
    At the Mexico/Texas Fence

  122. John Light said on 4 Dec 2007 at 12:06 am:
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    I see that es_la_ley got the same e-mail about Teddy R. today as I did - lol. I wonder if that quote really is from him. I hope so, and it would not surprise me, but I wonder :-)

  123. John Light said on 4 Dec 2007 at 12:08 am:
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    What would John Wayne say? Well, THIS is what he would say:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ewDbT3PYHE

  124. anonymoustoo said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:18 am:
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    Dolph, I agree with you. I don’t think there is one American culture. I don’t think there was one American culture in the past and there certainly isn’t one now.

    Redawn, those are admirable traits that you listed above.

    “I feel that no matter the American background, born or naturalized, we have been able to count on each other and make it stronger. We have learned to compromise,we have seen mistakes, forgiven and tried not to repeat them as we have learned to grown from them, etc.”

    I’d comment on your quote to say that while Americans in general have many of those traits, the political parties here are responsible for most of the divisiveness. Their goals are not necessarily the same goals as the average Joe’s and Jane’s. Their object is to win and if instilling hatred, divisiveness, or fear can help them achieve that goal, that’s what they’ll use. They’ve tried to make Americans hate fellow Americans for a long time now. But they don’t think about the ramifications of their actions.Will people unite in an emergency? Will they not make the same mistakes? Are we capable of getting beyond party politics to find solutions to the problems this country faces now and in the future?

  125. 999 said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:45 am:
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    josh said on 3 Dec 2007 at 7:25 pm:
    I’m gonna miss Krusty,

    Do you REALLY think Krusty has left the scene? HE/SHE/IT will return like a bad penney.

  126. CitizenofManassas said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:48 am:
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    I wonder why this group did not attempt to enter the Christmas Parade.

    http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353724341&path=

  127. 999 said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:49 am:
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    corr - penny

  128. Anonymous said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:56 am:
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    redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 6:53 pm:
    Has anyone found out who the dance group was?

    No, they are went back to hiding in the shadows.

  129. Red Woman said on 4 Dec 2007 at 12:18 pm:
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    1) The Krampus rocks, truly. Maybe there should be a BVBL contingent to enact that tradition next year at area’s Xmas parades?

    2) Now I am curious about the belly dancers. I would hope in the family setting, they’d have been somewhat modest. Kept well wrapped in their veils. Put more clothes on. (Disclaimer: RW belly dances.)

  130. Peter Danlyn said on 4 Dec 2007 at 1:57 pm:
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    redawn said on 3 Dec 2007 at 9:33 pm:
    Sam.

    ” Sam Clemmons said on 3 Dec 2007 at 8:16 pm:

    We (Americans) are the lavishest and showiest and most luxury-loving people on the earth; and at our masthead we fly one true and honest symbol, the gaudiest flag the world has ever seen.”

    Okay,I had to ask, I held out as LONG as I could…. ( my family has to hide my Christmas presents, I am to curious, lol ) Is this a quote?
    I fly that gaudiest flag and I think I have good taste, humble and proud

    Sam said that, and was also (mis)quoted as saying “I am not an American, I am the American.” Arguably, during his time, he was. Most people would probably recognize his significant contribution to American culture under his pseudonym, Mark Twain.

    You have the right to fly whatever flag you want to (assuming you’re not in an HOA!), and Sam, or anyone else, has the right to comment on it’s appearance or meaning. The parade participants had a right to perform as they felt appropriate, and everyone else has a right to their comments.

    We watch, and decide which portion of the show stirs our hearts enough to include in our lives. We allow everyone else to draw their own conclusions.

    As long as participants are not “scaring the horses” or otherwise causing public safety concerns, there’s no reason call for their exclusion.

    That’s what makes a parade. And that, in large part, is what makes American culture.

  131. Rhyme Time said on 4 Dec 2007 at 3:28 pm:
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    John Light said on 4 Dec 2007 at 12:04 am:
    rhyme time said on 3 Dec 2007 at 2:49 pm:

    Rhyme time thinks he’s a poet
    Just hand him a pipe and he’ll blow it.
    He hates all that’s good
    Cuz his head is made of wood
    His words just constantly show it.

    The last sentence of his rhyme makes no sense
    He’s either dumb or just really dense.
    He tries to take us on
    While hanging out with Juan
    At the Mexico/Texas Fence

    In response to the rhyme of John Light,
    My last line, was it perfect? Not quite.
    but to critique my verse, with appreciably worse
    proves to me that you’re just not that bright.

    You consider your musings the best,
    they’re predictable rants, like the rest,
    with poorly paced meter, you anoy like a skeeter,
    becoming the consummate pest!

  132. redawn said on 4 Dec 2007 at 9:24 pm:
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    anonymoustoo said on 4 Dec 2007 at 8:18 am:

    “Are we capable of getting beyond party politics to find solutions to the problems this country faces now and in the future?”

    I will be the first to say, I do not have the answers.( read my post or ask anyone that knows me, I am the one that always asks:WHY? on everything , well not everything, what I don’t know, I want to know, lol) :) I do see that more and more people seem to have gone form supporting a party to becoming an independent. I am still doing my part to help solve by listening and learning to work toward a solution. That is all I can do.

    Peter Danlyn said on 4 Dec 2007 at 1:57 pm:

    Thank you, I thought it sounded familiar. I just couldn’t figure out where I heard it before.

  133. Brighter Future said on 6 Dec 2007 at 12:38 pm:
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    The Devil, Dancers and placing of the Flags were all irresponsible and did not belong in our traditional Christmes Parade. Period

    Those who approved it should be reprimanded and see to it that it never happens again.

    We can have diversity with level headed latinos participating with a dance of
    their culture. But it does not have to go to this degree.

    This type of junk shows what this group is all about and I am sure the latinos
    that are here to become american citizens for the right reason or already citizens found this as embarresing as the rest of us did.

    Be sure your thoughts go to each person on the parade list.

    We want a Christmas Parade and Santa Clause.

  134. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 12 Dec 2007 at 9:33 am:
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    Anonymouse:
    Our American culture:
    1. Loyal to only our country and flag (the U.S. and U.S. flag).
    2. Speak English (this is what unites all of us no matter where we are from). This has been our common language from our country’s beginning.
    3. Subscribe to the “melting pot” concept. This means that you do not place your country of origin/culture at a higher priority than the culture/ideas/traditions of America. This means that you get no special treatment or policies that favor one group of people over another. This means that all policies are for the good of all people (not a particular group of people based on race/ethnicity/culture, etc.).
    Anonymouse….what is your culture now that I have spelled what a True American is all about?

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