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More Evidence: Section 287(g) Works
By Greg L | 4 December 2007 | Virginia Politics, Prince William County | 39 Comments
The Section 287(g) Program in Prince William County continues to deliver results, according to the DC Examiner:
A measure letting Prince William County document and report the immigration status of criminals has turned 242 illegally present inmates over to federal authorities since July, a county official said Tuesday.
Of course this gets some interesting spin from “latino activists”:
But Latino activists argue the undocumented immigrant community is small, with relatively little impact on the state.
Tell that to the victims, or those who are the survivors of the victims, of crimes perpetrated by illegal aliens. Illegal aliens who shouldn’t be in this country anyways, commit such crimes as the murder of Manassas resident C. J. Angelos in November of 2006. Four persons have been tried in that crime, all four were associated with the MS-13 gang, and all four are now subject to immigration detainers under the Section 287(g) Program. These crimes are 100% preventable, if only the federal government would secure our borders and ensure that those who overstay their visas are encouraged, as needed, to depart.
Governor Kaine still hasn’t provided a cogent explanation why the State Police and Department of Corrections haven’t been enrolled in this program. If Prince William County is actually doing something to identify and deport criminal illegal aliens and is achieving this kind of success, there’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be success at the state level. It seriously beats the heck out of releasing these criminals back into the community after they’ve completed their sentences, and very likely this is having a deterrent effect on illegal aliens who might be disposed to commit crimes where the Section 287(g) Program is in place.
Corey Stewart is demonstrating real results here, while Governor Kaine is simply whining and giving excuses as to why he is doing nothing.
UPDATE: Apparently, Kaine isn’t quite doing nothing, he’s still trying to expand his pre-K initiative, which illegal aliens will participate in, despite budgetary pressures that have forced cuts in aid to Police Departments. Those cuts definitely make it harder for localities to combat the illegal alien problem that Kaine has so far refused to address in any way.
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I got no problem deporting illegals who have committed crimes here.
But bashing Governor’s Kaine’s efforts to help educate ALL the children of Virginia, regardless of who their parents are, is ugly and downright mean-spirited. Everyone benefits from educated children.
Once again, the Republicans are showing themselves to be the party of whiners.
This doesn’t help “all” children at all. Kaine can’t possibly fund expanding the entire school system, so he’s only doing this for selected demographics. Second, there’s no evidence that supposed gains from such a program are evident even through middle school. It’s sure going to cost the taxpayers, though, and he even wants to raid the rainy day fund for this.
Kaine’s program smacks of government-funded daycare that we can’t afford, and isn’t demonstrated to deliver long-term benefits at all.
Greg is absolutely right…if it’s truly “education” that the pre-K program is designed to provide, a child’s best education opportunity at the age of four is right in the home, with Mom or Dad. Conversely, if Mom and Dad decide that both should be working out of the home, to generate income, then THAT is the correct funding source for daycare.
Come on - Kaine’s plan has absolutely nothing to do with education - it is simply state-funded day care. Just another liberal attempt to redistribute wealth. Let’s try to be intellectually honest.
The Pre-K thing could be funded with money available if we didn’t have to educate so many illegal aliens’ kids. To literally waste taxpayer money subsidizing illegals’ kids and then ask for more for something of dubious value - it IS day care, let’s be serious, I say this even while helping raise a 1st grader who is going through cognitive development as we speak - Kaine is hardly honorable in this.
Hey Ducky:
I suppose since you’ve got no problem with deporting illegal invaders who commit crimes here (I guess you mean in addition to the one they commit when they cross the border), you would have no problem with building a fence and taking other measures to make sure the bastards don’t get into the country in the first place?
Turned over - does that mean now the feds will issue a warrant for deportation and release them or does it mean that they were deported. The latter is the the real outcome. The pressure is now on the feds to follow through - Locals can only go so far and have laid it out probably better than the feds - now only the feds can be blamed. The locals have done most of their job for them.
242 identified; how many deported? how many released on a warrant? how many still there.
Good follow up.
Thanks
How about we stop state funding of social services to illegal aliens. Kaine could fund his day care proposal and might have enough left over to eliminate the states funding gap as well.
Typical Democrat, spend spend spend spend. I have to take issue with the “Pre-K”. This is nothing more than state funded day care. Why can’t kids be kids as long as they can? Why do we have to rush them into school? What happens if the child is not mature enough to be in the program, but has to be because of age? The no child left behind is a bad idea and this one sits right up there with it. I am for making sure students meet milestones in their education, but make sure the funding is there for it WITHOUT raiding another program or budget line item. IF we have a surplus, then let’s add these types of programs, but if we have to go into another fund to provide money to them, we are on a slippery slope to a deficit which will help NO ONE!
Secure our borders, then let’s talk about these types of programs. Wouldn’t this qualify as a social service for the ILLEGALS? Oh no it wouldn’t Medic, this has to do with education so it can’t be touched. BS!!! Just another reward program for those not here LEGALLY and those who do not want to pay for day care of their children. I understand needing a two income home, but you bring it on yourselves. Lower your level of living and you can get by. We are all going to pay for the mortgage crisis. Even those of us who can’t get into a home!!!!! That chaps my a$$ BIG TIME!!!!
I am for the S.T.A.R.F.A.G. program!!!
Selective Termination And Reassignment For Affected Groups.
This is a tactical part of the military which can provide the satellites for tracking purposes. Let’s put electronic necklaces on the ones we deport. If they come across the border, it will automatically detonate. PROBLEM SOLVED!!! Of course, there will be provisions where it can be deactivated for LEGAL business here. This will require prior approval, like a passport does, and the necklace can be removed with a transmitter injected to track them while here. Once the business has been completed and they are on the plane, bus or train back to where they came from, the necklace will be automatically reactivated.
This could work and save so much money in the long run. What a deterrent for those who come back across and commit crimes!!
Greg said “Kaine’s program smacks of government-funded daycare that we can’t afford, and isn’t demonstrated to deliver long-term benefits at all.”
The same argument could be made about kindergarten or the rest of the grades for that matter. I don’t understand why a 4 year old program becomes any less necessary than a 5 year old program when targeting kids with delayed readiness for formal school.
Government funded daycare already exists. Low income families who qualified get greatly reduced child care in order for parents to be able to work. Apparently the state and feds feel this is more cost effective than paying for welfare.
Kaine’s pre-k program might be fiscally over-reaching. However, I expect the same arguments would be used against it if Virginia were rolling in dough.
I do believe all the nay-sayers need to have more working knowledge of the demands of NCLB before shooting down any plan that facilitates early childhood learning. Please put as much energy into getting rid of NCLB as you have put into a proposed program you really know nothing about. NCLB is here now, and destroying the American education system on so many levels I cannot begin to enumerate them all.
The pre-k program is a state sponsored day care and the illegal aliens will take advantage of it.
/\/\3l)ic 64- S.T.A.R.F.A.G. sounds great.
We need a secure border so the illegals don’t come here to begin with. The businesses must stop hiring illegals too. They are doing nothing more than inviting(illegally, I might add) here.
The less illegals we support the more money we have for the legal citizens. Doesn’t seem like rocket science.
WGW, The ILLEGALS are the new slaves of today. They allow themselves to be treated as such. I am waiting for someone to start demanding reparations for it.
Once the borders are secure S.T.A.R.F.A.G. will not be needed! We need to build the fence and build it NOW! We need to find better ways to track those who have overstayed their visas. We need to come up with a policy that will be extremely harsh on those caught here without a proper visa. There isn’t any negative reinforcement for not leaving when you are suppose to. There isn’t any negative reinforcement for crossing into the US ILLEGALLY. Once this negative reinforcement has been put into place AND enforced, there will be fewer ILLEGALS in the country. It all starts with securing the borders, ALL borders not just the ones to the south. Again, I have to ask why Hispanics think they have the corner on being ILLEGAL.
I will give my definition once again, ILLEGAL is ANYONE here in the US that is NOT suppose to be, whether they flew in, took a bus, rode on a train, swam, floated on a piece of wood or walked across the border.
Patty, It will be wrapped up as an educational service which is untouchable by anyone but the federal gov’t. That is my main gripe about it, along with the fact that money from one fund will be used to pay for it which has not been designated. Money spent to support ILLEGAL people here in the US.
No one American system allows catering to illegal aliens more than NCLB.
WGW, total agreement here. Border security is top priority.
Dolph & /\/\3l)ic64,
NCLB, that’s the biggest joke of our education system today. They crap came into play when my little was in at Sudley. Does NCLB apply to homeschoolers too?
NCLB, is worse than a batch of witch’s brew. ;
OOPS-*That crap came into play when my little one was at Sudley.*
Looks like I better watch the speed of typing like the ole broom.
WGW–NCLB only applies to public schools k-12. It needs to be done away with.
WGW, It is ok. I have been online long enough that I can read typonese (c: I am a graduate of the hunt and peck school of typing, currently enrolled in the six finger to include the thumb space bar class (c;
They demand results with NCLB, but failed to fund it. My mom is a teacher in IL and she, along with her fellow teachers, hate it. They have to dumb down everything so everyone can pass. I am sorry, but some people will fail in life no matter what. Schooling is no different. The problem is too many requirements without funding to make sure they an be implemented. This is really no different than Congress telling the Generals in Iraq what to do. They are not in the trenches, so to speak, so it is easy to say this and that has to be done.
Secure the borders, use the extra cash saved from providing ILLEGALS with services and make everybody’s life much better.
I’m all for more secure borders. I think our borders should be 10 times more secure, if we can afford it.
But that doesn’t mean we take out our frustrations on kids.
/\/\3|)iç 64 - I soooo agree with you!!! There is NOTHING wrong with failing a child if he (general term, not referencing “male”) cannot keep up.
Now, about pre-K. My mom is a nursery school teacher in one of the top Nursery Schools in the area. Her class has one, maybe two native speakers (back down, libs, you know what I mean). One of the major problems is lack of ability to communicate. These children do not understand English as it is not their first language and THEIR parent’s are here LEGALLY.
The children typically come from Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and yes, a few from Central and South America. Mom is NOT trained to speak all of their languages (she does speak a little Greek, though) and what happens is that she is forced to take time away from others to try to calm down a crying child who does not understand the language.
And THIS is at a PRIVATE nursery school. I once dated a teacher in the Fairfax County School System (6th Grade teacher) who would get assignments turned in in Spanish. By the sheer fact that the illegals (those who overstayed Visas, those who snuck across our borders) are here are not just putting a drain on our system, but also on our teachers. It is bad enough that a teacher has to dumb down the classwork, or teach at a speed that all can understand, but when they have to deal with children who do not want to be in this country in the first place and refuse to speak English…something is wrong and the solution is QUITE easy…you pay taxes, you get a Federal free education, you are here illegally, you should have thought about that before you broke the law, Jack.
Ducky said on 5 Dec 2007 at 12:07 pm:
“…But that doesn’t mean we take out our frustrations on kids.”
Think about it like this. Scenario 1: A single parent (other parent is dead) murders someone or commits a crime and goes to jail. What should happen to that child?
Scenario 2: A child with two parents is at school one day and BOTH parents commit crimes which warrant prison time, what happens to the child.
In BOTH cases, the child is the innocent party, yet DIRECTLY affected by the actions of the parent.
Scenario3: A child is here in the United States and both parents are here illegally and are caught by ICE. What should happen to the child?
Maybe the illegals’ should think of their children before entering the US illegally.
Absolutely JL — No one is thinking about what is best for the children. English needs to be hammered into to them if they do come here either way, and the parents need to take into consideration the dangers of crossing the borders, human trafficking, druggies, sexual predators….and what will become of their children if they don’t learn english pronto and suceed in school.
Children are such a low priority. It’s a disgrace - they’ve become disposable.
Ducky: I don’t think anyone is taking their frustration out the children. They are frustrated with the system.
Would you prefer folks took their frustration out on you?
I’d recommend yoga. It’s very therapeutic!
Ducky, In all scenario’s DCFS is available to take over. If the parents are deported, they take the child with them. This just adds more reason for hospitals to petition the home country of the ILLEGALS when they have children born here. This solves many problems, the children do not have a right to stay in the US since they are no longer an anchor baby, because they are not an anchor baby, we do not have to accept ILLEGALS as automatic citizens and it also provides negative reinforcement for coming to America ILLEGALLY.
Assimilation is the best thing immigrants can do for themselves and their families. This includes learning English. I know when I was in the philippines, I learned enough Tagalog to get by. I couldn’t hold an everyday discussion, but I assimilated enough to know how to get around and how to ask for certain things (paki, gusto mo San Miguel comes to mind right away) translated: Please bring me another San Miguel beer. OK OK, I was a sailor (c: Of course there are other conversational tidbits I learned, but are not fitting for this family oriented blog (c; The point is, I was in the PI for 18 months and took the time to assimilate enough to get by. The local people were excited that I took the time to learn their language and would help me when I messed it up.
NCLB doesn’t necessarily ‘dumb down’ the curriculum. In fact, state curriculum if fairly rigorous. Prince William curriculum is even more rigorous than state standards.
What it does is redistribute the bulk of instructional premium time to sub group students rather than to regular students. Because of the penalties attached to not making AYP, school decisions are often based on giving priority to students who are sped, minority, ESOL or economically disadvantaged rather than the other kids.
NCLB is very complicated and has many various components. Even people who work with it daily don’t necessarily know or understand all of its ramifications.
ooooopppssss state curriculum IS fairly rigorous
Just recieved the following from Frank Wolf’s office:
Dear Friends,
I want to update you on some legislation I’m working on, and hope you will continue to keep me informed on matters of importance to you.
Immigration Reform & Border Security
Last month I added my name as a cosponsor to two important pieces of legislation aimed at combating illegal immigration.
SAVE Act
The Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act would increase the number of Border Patrol agents by 8,000 and create a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense. It also would increase the investigative abilities of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by employing more agents and training additional state and local law enforcement personnel.
In addition, the SAVE Act (H.R. 4088) would expand the existing Employment Eligibility Verification (E-Verify) program by requiring that all employers enroll within four years. This would ensure that all workers hired have a valid work permit. The expanded program would begin with the federal government, federal contractors, and employers with over 250 employees. Smaller businesses would begin using the system in a graduated manner.
The bill also would close existing loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to use the same Social Security number and would require information-sharing between the Department of Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration and the IRS. Lastly, it would expedite the deportation of illegal aliens by expanding detention capacity and increasing the number of Federal District Court judges. The SAVE Act has 112 bipartisan cosponsors.
Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act
I also cosponsored The Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act (H.R. 4176), a bill which would restrict illegal aliens’ access to driver’s licenses by mandating that states must be provided with valid Social Security numbers during the application process.
Driver’s licenses are accepted for a variety of purposes including opening bank accounts, travel, renting cars, purchasing homes, just to name a few. The security of these documents are of critical importance. The 19 hijackers responsible for 9/11 carried 13 driver’s licenses and 21 state-issued ID cards. This bill has over 163 cosponsors and I am hopeful that this bill will come to the House floor during this session of Congress.
While the House has yet to consider any major immigration reform during this session of Congress, earlier this year the Senate considered an immigration reform bill which included provisions that would amount to a virtual amnesty for certain people who are in our country illegally — some estimate that could be 12 million people or more. I do not support amnesty, which is an insult to all the law-abiding immigrants who have been waiting in line patiently and legally for their immigration number to come up. Such an amnesty would only intensify an already significant immigration problem and overwhelm our already overburdened social services and law enforcement systems.
Please be assured of my commitment to addressing illegal immigration, which I know is a growing concern for many citizens of the 10th District. Please visit www.wolf.house.gov if you need additional information on this or any other issues.
Best wishes.
This would be another nice benefit for the large families who depend on us to take care of their children. Enough is enough.
Medic64… Ahhh Subic Bay circa 1980. Fantasy Island for sailors. I too learned some Tagalog language skills and put them to use every liberty. Monkey bar still there? Sorry gang, couldn’t resist the off topic post.
Dolph said -The same argument could be made about kindergarten or the rest of the grades for that matter. I don’t understand why a 4 year old program becomes any less necessary than a 5 year old program when targeting kids with delayed readiness for formal school.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but when these 4 year olds are not making the grade, do we start 3 year old pre-k?
When can a kid be a kid? We put so much pressure on these kids anymore maybe that’s why they go out and murder people at mall’s.
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Kids need to be kids as long as they can. I was put in kindergarten, and was a year younger than most of classmates. Back then kindergarten was not required by law.
The year I graduated was the last year of graduates that weren’t required to attend kindergarten. Only about 10% of my classmates had gone to kindergarten. Those of us that had attended all did so at private schools. Our parents even paid for transportation if we were picked up by the van. I felt at the age of 17 I’d been going to school for as long as I could remember. There are so many educational fun toys available these days for kids. They don’t even realize they are learning.
LET KIDS BE KIDS. We are only young once, ya know.
Lafayette,
Yes, same here. I even went to PRE-K…private school all the way up to 5th grade. My mother drove the van (bus) to pay for our tuition. We lived here in Manassas and the school was in Fairfax.
I hated it for the reason, we left here so EARLY in the morning as she had to drive the bus ( van )The route was ALL over the area. The route was from here to Clifton , Burke, you name it ! (after all it was a private school.)
I am not knocking my mother, she had the best and still has the best intentions for us..
Yes, let kids be kids. I remember taking turns with my brother to go out and HEAT the van up before we would have to get in it for our long journey.
Some people do put their kids in pre school at age 3. At that age school is structured play and readiness. I don’t have strong opinions about the 4 year old program because I haven’t yet seen a plan. However, if middle class parents see this as an advantage to their children, why wouldn’t economically disadvantaged children derive the same benefits?
My daughter wanted to go to school very badly when she was 3, so I also put her into pre-k in lieu of mere babysitting because I did have to work. But I did not allow her to skip public school kindergarten simply because she had already “graduated” from kindergarten. I made sure that she was continually stimulated intellectually by other means (she always had a teaching “computer” and other educational tools, and I worked with her teacher who gave her extra work because she wanted it). The second semester of her 8th grade year she was being recruited by colleges, wanting her to skip the rest of her public school education and go straight into a four-year college program…I talked her out of it. She had whatever childhood that she would allow herself, or that I would demand she have…and is grateful for that now.
I should like to point out that I would absolutely NOT have allowed her to participate in a public pre-k program (despite the fact that I had to sacrifice much to have her in private) because they would have demanded that she go straight into kindergarten at too early an age. Being intellectually ready for fast-tracking is one thing…being SOCIALLY and EMOTIONALLY ready are quite different considerations. I don’t care how smart these kids are, I don’t feel that government mandated education should include pre-k and, in fact, believe that it will be treated as free babysitting by most. I would also fear that children who could intellectually benefit from pre-k will be held back by those kids being “babysitted”…so what’s the point? WE’RE supposed to be the parents, not the state.
After reading many comments on this blog, I have come to the conclusion that the people here simply are too middle class to understand the profound effects of what I call ‘inbred poverty’ (generation after generation) on a child’s ability to learn and do well in school.
In fact, I don’t think many people here are able to understand the profound effects of poverty on many aspects of the human condition. I consider myself blessed in that I had some old country blacks and some salt of the earth West Virginians from the Appalachian region help me see past my own middle-classness. It was a real eye opener in so many ways. I hope the knowledge they imparted to me has made me a more empathetic human being. If it has, then I thank them sincerely.
This problem is easily corrected if employers of those people are forced by law to pay “living wages”. We had this situation once in the poverty of the factories of this country, and until unions were formed to force median wages for the average worker.
Poverty is a result of employers (THE BOARD of DIRECTORS and CEO’S) who keep all the profits for themselves in order to get filthy rich. Read how filthy rich Rockefeller, Carnegie and Mellon where and how poor thier employees were. They reasoned that the dumber you are the more they can justify keeping all the profits for themselves.
This did not change until governments mandated wage increases and allowed unions to operate without persecution from the social elite.
Poverty is now most often a result of international MEGA corporations taking huge profits from incredibly impoverished international workers. The countries they work in suppress labor unions and do not guarantee minimum living wages, thus they are treated as “sub-human” wage earners.