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	<title>Comments on: More Evidence: Section 287(g) Works</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43548</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43548</guid>
		<description>This problem is easily corrected if employers of those people are forced by law to pay "living wages".  We had this situation once in the poverty of the factories of this country, and until unions were formed to force median wages for the average worker.

Poverty is a result of employers (THE BOARD of DIRECTORS and CEO'S) who keep all the profits for themselves in order to get filthy rich.  Read how filthy rich Rockefeller, Carnegie and Mellon where and how poor thier employees were.   They reasoned that the dumber you are the more they can justify keeping all the profits for themselves.

This did not change until governments mandated wage increases and allowed unions to operate without persecution from the social elite.

Poverty is now most often a result of international MEGA corporations taking huge profits from incredibly impoverished international workers.  The countries they work in suppress labor unions and do not guarantee minimum living wages, thus they are treated as "sub-human" wage earners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem is easily corrected if employers of those people are forced by law to pay &#8220;living wages&#8221;.  We had this situation once in the poverty of the factories of this country, and until unions were formed to force median wages for the average worker.</p>
<p>Poverty is a result of employers (THE BOARD of DIRECTORS and CEO&#8217;S) who keep all the profits for themselves in order to get filthy rich.  Read how filthy rich Rockefeller, Carnegie and Mellon where and how poor thier employees were.   They reasoned that the dumber you are the more they can justify keeping all the profits for themselves.</p>
<p>This did not change until governments mandated wage increases and allowed unions to operate without persecution from the social elite.</p>
<p>Poverty is now most often a result of international MEGA corporations taking huge profits from incredibly impoverished international workers.  The countries they work in suppress labor unions and do not guarantee minimum living wages, thus they are treated as &#8220;sub-human&#8221; wage earners.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43162</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43162</guid>
		<description>After reading many comments on this blog, I have come to the conclusion that the people here simply are too middle class to understand the profound effects of what I call 'inbred poverty' (generation after generation) on a child's ability to learn and do well in school.  

In fact, I don't think many people here are able to understand the profound effects of poverty on many aspects of the human condition.  I consider myself blessed in that I had some old country blacks and some salt of the earth West Virginians from the Appalachian region  help me see past my own middle-classness.  It was a real eye opener in so many ways.  I hope the knowledge they imparted to me has made me a more empathetic human being.  If it has, then I thank them sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading many comments on this blog, I have come to the conclusion that the people here simply are too middle class to understand the profound effects of what I call &#8216;inbred poverty&#8217; (generation after generation) on a child&#8217;s ability to learn and do well in school.  </p>
<p>In fact, I don&#8217;t think many people here are able to understand the profound effects of poverty on many aspects of the human condition.  I consider myself blessed in that I had some old country blacks and some salt of the earth West Virginians from the Appalachian region  help me see past my own middle-classness.  It was a real eye opener in so many ways.  I hope the knowledge they imparted to me has made me a more empathetic human being.  If it has, then I thank them sincerely.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43136</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43136</guid>
		<description>My daughter wanted to go to school very badly when she was 3, so I also put her into pre-k in lieu of mere babysitting because I did have to work.  But I did not allow her to skip public school kindergarten simply because she had already "graduated" from kindergarten.  I made sure that she was continually stimulated intellectually by other means (she always had a teaching "computer" and other educational tools, and I worked with her teacher who gave her extra work because she wanted it).  The second semester of her 8th grade year she was being recruited by colleges, wanting her to skip the rest of her public school education and go straight into a four-year college program...I talked her out of it.  She had whatever childhood that she would allow herself, or that I would demand she have...and is grateful for that now.

I should like to point out that I would absolutely NOT have allowed her to participate in a public pre-k program (despite the fact that I had to sacrifice much to have her in private) because they would have demanded that she go straight into kindergarten at too early an age.  Being intellectually ready for fast-tracking is one thing...being SOCIALLY and EMOTIONALLY ready are quite different considerations.  I don't care how smart these kids are, I don't feel that government mandated education should include pre-k and, in fact, believe that it will be treated as free babysitting by most.  I would also fear that children who could intellectually benefit from pre-k will be held back by those kids being "babysitted"...so what's the point?  WE'RE supposed to be the parents, not the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter wanted to go to school very badly when she was 3, so I also put her into pre-k in lieu of mere babysitting because I did have to work.  But I did not allow her to skip public school kindergarten simply because she had already &#8220;graduated&#8221; from kindergarten.  I made sure that she was continually stimulated intellectually by other means (she always had a teaching &#8220;computer&#8221; and other educational tools, and I worked with her teacher who gave her extra work because she wanted it).  The second semester of her 8th grade year she was being recruited by colleges, wanting her to skip the rest of her public school education and go straight into a four-year college program&#8230;I talked her out of it.  She had whatever childhood that she would allow herself, or that I would demand she have&#8230;and is grateful for that now.</p>
<p>I should like to point out that I would absolutely NOT have allowed her to participate in a public pre-k program (despite the fact that I had to sacrifice much to have her in private) because they would have demanded that she go straight into kindergarten at too early an age.  Being intellectually ready for fast-tracking is one thing&#8230;being SOCIALLY and EMOTIONALLY ready are quite different considerations.  I don&#8217;t care how smart these kids are, I don&#8217;t feel that government mandated education should include pre-k and, in fact, believe that it will be treated as free babysitting by most.  I would also fear that children who could intellectually benefit from pre-k will be held back by those kids being &#8220;babysitted&#8221;&#8230;so what&#8217;s the point?  WE&#8217;RE supposed to be the parents, not the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43106</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43106</guid>
		<description>Some people do put their kids in pre school at age 3.  At that age school is structured play and readiness.  I don't have strong opinions about the 4 year old program because I haven't yet seen a plan.  However, if middle class parents see this as an advantage to their children, why wouldn't economically disadvantaged children derive the same benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people do put their kids in pre school at age 3.  At that age school is structured play and readiness.  I don&#8217;t have strong opinions about the 4 year old program because I haven&#8217;t yet seen a plan.  However, if middle class parents see this as an advantage to their children, why wouldn&#8217;t economically disadvantaged children derive the same benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43093</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43093</guid>
		<description>Lafayette,
Yes, same here. I even went to PRE-K...private school all the way up to 5th grade. My mother drove the van (bus) to pay for our tuition. We lived here in Manassas and the school was in Fairfax.
I hated it for the reason, we left here so EARLY in the morning as she had to drive the bus ( van )The route was ALL over the area. The route was from here to Clifton , Burke, you name it ! (after all it was a private school.) 

I am not knocking my mother, she had the best and still has the best intentions for us.. :) 
Yes, let kids be kids. I remember taking turns with my brother to go out and HEAT the van up before we would have to get in it for our long journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lafayette,<br />
Yes, same here. I even went to PRE-K&#8230;private school all the way up to 5th grade. My mother drove the van (bus) to pay for our tuition. We lived here in Manassas and the school was in Fairfax.<br />
I hated it for the reason, we left here so EARLY in the morning as she had to drive the bus ( van )The route was ALL over the area. The route was from here to Clifton , Burke, you name it ! (after all it was a private school.) </p>
<p>I am not knocking my mother, she had the best and still has the best intentions for us.. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Yes, let kids be kids. I remember taking turns with my brother to go out and HEAT the van up before we would have to get in it for our long journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43084</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43084</guid>
		<description>Kids need to be kids as long as they can. I was put in kindergarten, and was a year younger than most of classmates. Back then kindergarten was not required by law.
The year I graduated was the last year of graduates that weren't required to attend kindergarten. Only about 10% of my classmates had gone to kindergarten. Those of us that had attended all did so at private schools. Our parents even paid for transportation if we were picked up by the van. I felt at the age of 17 I'd been going to school for as long as I could remember. There are so many educational fun toys available these days for kids. They don't even realize they are learning.  
LET KIDS BE KIDS. We are only young once, ya know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids need to be kids as long as they can. I was put in kindergarten, and was a year younger than most of classmates. Back then kindergarten was not required by law.<br />
The year I graduated was the last year of graduates that weren&#8217;t required to attend kindergarten. Only about 10% of my classmates had gone to kindergarten. Those of us that had attended all did so at private schools. Our parents even paid for transportation if we were picked up by the van. I felt at the age of 17 I&#8217;d been going to school for as long as I could remember. There are so many educational fun toys available these days for kids. They don&#8217;t even realize they are learning.<br />
LET KIDS BE KIDS. We are only young once, ya know.</p>
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		<title>By: me-n-u</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43080</link>
		<dc:creator>me-n-u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-43080</guid>
		<description>Dolph said -The same argument could be made about kindergarten or the rest of the grades for that matter. I don’t understand why a 4 year old program becomes any less necessary than a 5 year old program when targeting kids with delayed readiness for formal school. 

I agree with a lot of what you say, but when these 4 year olds are not making the grade, do we start 3 year old pre-k? 

When can a kid be a kid? We put so much pressure on these kids anymore maybe that's why they go out and murder people at mall's.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph said -The same argument could be made about kindergarten or the rest of the grades for that matter. I don’t understand why a 4 year old program becomes any less necessary than a 5 year old program when targeting kids with delayed readiness for formal school. </p>
<p>I agree with a lot of what you say, but when these 4 year olds are not making the grade, do we start 3 year old pre-k? </p>
<p>When can a kid be a kid? We put so much pressure on these kids anymore maybe that&#8217;s why they go out and murder people at mall&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in PWC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42929</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in PWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42929</guid>
		<description>Medic64...  Ahhh Subic Bay circa 1980.  Fantasy Island for sailors.  I too learned some Tagalog language skills and put them to use every liberty.  Monkey bar still there?  Sorry gang, couldn't resist the off topic post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medic64&#8230;  Ahhh Subic Bay circa 1980.  Fantasy Island for sailors.  I too learned some Tagalog language skills and put them to use every liberty.  Monkey bar still there?  Sorry gang, couldn&#8217;t resist the off topic post.</p>
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		<title>By: CJC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42871</link>
		<dc:creator>CJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42871</guid>
		<description>This would be another nice benefit for the large families who depend on us to take care of their children.  Enough is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be another nice benefit for the large families who depend on us to take care of their children.  Enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Vigilant1</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42844</link>
		<dc:creator>Vigilant1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42844</guid>
		<description>Just recieved the following from Frank Wolf's office:

Dear Friends,

I want to update you on some legislation I'm working on, and hope you will continue to keep me informed on matters of importance to you.

Immigration Reform &#38; Border Security
Last month I added my name as a cosponsor to two important pieces of legislation aimed at combating illegal immigration.

SAVE Act
The Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act would increase the number of Border Patrol agents by 8,000 and create a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense.  It also would increase the investigative abilities of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by employing more agents and training additional state and local law enforcement personnel.

In addition, the SAVE Act (H.R. 4088) would expand the existing Employment Eligibility Verification (E-Verify) program by requiring that all employers enroll within four years. This would ensure that all workers hired have a valid work permit.  The expanded program would begin with the federal government, federal contractors, and employers with over 250 employees.  Smaller businesses would begin using the system in a graduated manner.

The bill also would close existing loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to use the same Social Security number and would require information-sharing between the Department of Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration and the IRS.  Lastly, it would expedite the deportation of illegal aliens by expanding detention capacity and increasing the number of Federal District Court judges. The SAVE Act has 112 bipartisan cosponsors.

Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act
I also cosponsored The Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act (H.R. 4176), a bill which would restrict illegal aliens' access to driver's licenses by mandating that states must be provided with valid Social Security numbers during the application process.

Driver's licenses are accepted for a variety of purposes including opening bank accounts, travel, renting cars, purchasing homes, just to name a few. The security of these documents are of critical importance. The 19 hijackers responsible for 9/11 carried 13 driver's licenses and 21 state-issued ID cards. This bill has over 163 cosponsors and I am hopeful that this bill will come to the House floor during this session of Congress.

While the House has yet to consider any major immigration reform during this session of Congress, earlier this year the Senate considered an immigration reform bill which included provisions that would amount to a virtual amnesty for certain people who are in our country illegally  -- some estimate that could be 12 million people or more.  I do not support amnesty, which is an insult to all the law-abiding immigrants who have been waiting in line patiently and legally for their immigration number to come up.  Such an amnesty would only intensify an already significant immigration problem and overwhelm our already overburdened social services and law enforcement systems.
          
Please be assured of my commitment to addressing illegal immigration, which I know is a growing concern for many citizens of the 10th District.  Please visit www.wolf.house.gov if you need additional information on this or any other issues.

Best wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just recieved the following from Frank Wolf&#8217;s office:</p>
<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>I want to update you on some legislation I&#8217;m working on, and hope you will continue to keep me informed on matters of importance to you.</p>
<p>Immigration Reform &amp; Border Security<br />
Last month I added my name as a cosponsor to two important pieces of legislation aimed at combating illegal immigration.</p>
<p>SAVE Act<br />
The Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act would increase the number of Border Patrol agents by 8,000 and create a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense.  It also would increase the investigative abilities of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by employing more agents and training additional state and local law enforcement personnel.</p>
<p>In addition, the SAVE Act (H.R. 4088) would expand the existing Employment Eligibility Verification (E-Verify) program by requiring that all employers enroll within four years. This would ensure that all workers hired have a valid work permit.  The expanded program would begin with the federal government, federal contractors, and employers with over 250 employees.  Smaller businesses would begin using the system in a graduated manner.</p>
<p>The bill also would close existing loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to use the same Social Security number and would require information-sharing between the Department of Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration and the IRS.  Lastly, it would expedite the deportation of illegal aliens by expanding detention capacity and increasing the number of Federal District Court judges. The SAVE Act has 112 bipartisan cosponsors.</p>
<p>Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act<br />
I also cosponsored The Prevention of Unsafe Licensing Act (H.R. 4176), a bill which would restrict illegal aliens&#8217; access to driver&#8217;s licenses by mandating that states must be provided with valid Social Security numbers during the application process.</p>
<p>Driver&#8217;s licenses are accepted for a variety of purposes including opening bank accounts, travel, renting cars, purchasing homes, just to name a few. The security of these documents are of critical importance. The 19 hijackers responsible for 9/11 carried 13 driver&#8217;s licenses and 21 state-issued ID cards. This bill has over 163 cosponsors and I am hopeful that this bill will come to the House floor during this session of Congress.</p>
<p>While the House has yet to consider any major immigration reform during this session of Congress, earlier this year the Senate considered an immigration reform bill which included provisions that would amount to a virtual amnesty for certain people who are in our country illegally  &#8212; some estimate that could be 12 million people or more.  I do not support amnesty, which is an insult to all the law-abiding immigrants who have been waiting in line patiently and legally for their immigration number to come up.  Such an amnesty would only intensify an already significant immigration problem and overwhelm our already overburdened social services and law enforcement systems.</p>
<p>Please be assured of my commitment to addressing illegal immigration, which I know is a growing concern for many citizens of the 10th District.  Please visit <a href="http://www.wolf.house.gov" rel="nofollow">www.wolf.house.gov</a> if you need additional information on this or any other issues.</p>
<p>Best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Princess Billy-Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42840</link>
		<dc:creator>Princess Billy-Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42840</guid>
		<description>ooooopppssss  state curriculum IS fairly rigorous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooooopppssss  state curriculum IS fairly rigorous</p>
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		<title>By: Princess Billy-Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42839</link>
		<dc:creator>Princess Billy-Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42839</guid>
		<description>NCLB doesn't necessarily 'dumb down' the curriculum.  In fact, state curriculum if fairly rigorous.  Prince William curriculum is even more rigorous than state standards.  

What it does is redistribute the bulk of instructional premium time to sub group students rather than to regular students.  Because of the penalties attached to not making AYP, school decisions are often based on giving priority to students who are sped, minority, ESOL or economically disadvantaged rather than the other kids.  

NCLB is very complicated and has many various components.  Even people who work with it daily don't necessarily know or understand all of its ramifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCLB doesn&#8217;t necessarily &#8216;dumb down&#8217; the curriculum.  In fact, state curriculum if fairly rigorous.  Prince William curriculum is even more rigorous than state standards.  </p>
<p>What it does is redistribute the bulk of instructional premium time to sub group students rather than to regular students.  Because of the penalties attached to not making AYP, school decisions are often based on giving priority to students who are sped, minority, ESOL or economically disadvantaged rather than the other kids.  </p>
<p>NCLB is very complicated and has many various components.  Even people who work with it daily don&#8217;t necessarily know or understand all of its ramifications.</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42815</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ducky,  In all scenario's DCFS is available to take over.  If the parents are deported, they take the child with them.  This just adds more reason for hospitals to petition the home country of the ILLEGALS when they have children born here.  This solves many problems, the children do not have a right to stay in the US since they are no longer an anchor baby, because they are not an anchor baby, we do not have to accept ILLEGALS as automatic citizens and it also provides negative reinforcement for coming to America ILLEGALLY.

Assimilation is the best thing immigrants can do for themselves and their families.  This includes learning English.  I know when I was in the philippines, I learned enough Tagalog to get by.  I couldn't hold an everyday discussion, but I assimilated enough to know how to get around and how to ask for certain things (paki, gusto mo San Miguel comes to mind right away) translated: Please bring me another San Miguel beer.  OK OK, I was a sailor (c:  Of course there are other conversational tidbits I learned, but are not fitting for this family oriented blog (c;  The point is, I was in the PI for 18 months and took the time to assimilate enough to get by.  The local people were excited that I took the time to learn their language and would help me when I messed it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ducky,  In all scenario&#8217;s DCFS is available to take over.  If the parents are deported, they take the child with them.  This just adds more reason for hospitals to petition the home country of the ILLEGALS when they have children born here.  This solves many problems, the children do not have a right to stay in the US since they are no longer an anchor baby, because they are not an anchor baby, we do not have to accept ILLEGALS as automatic citizens and it also provides negative reinforcement for coming to America ILLEGALLY.</p>
<p>Assimilation is the best thing immigrants can do for themselves and their families.  This includes learning English.  I know when I was in the philippines, I learned enough Tagalog to get by.  I couldn&#8217;t hold an everyday discussion, but I assimilated enough to know how to get around and how to ask for certain things (paki, gusto mo San Miguel comes to mind right away) translated: Please bring me another San Miguel beer.  OK OK, I was a sailor (c:  Of course there are other conversational tidbits I learned, but are not fitting for this family oriented blog (c;  The point is, I was in the PI for 18 months and took the time to assimilate enough to get by.  The local people were excited that I took the time to learn their language and would help me when I messed it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ducky</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42811</link>
		<dc:creator>Ducky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42811</guid>
		<description>I'd recommend yoga.  It's very therapeutic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d recommend yoga.  It&#8217;s very therapeutic!</p>
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		<title>By: West Gate Witch</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42808</link>
		<dc:creator>West Gate Witch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42808</guid>
		<description>Ducky: I don't think anyone is taking their frustration out the children. They are frustrated with the system. 
Would you prefer folks took their frustration out on you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ducky: I don&#8217;t think anyone is taking their frustration out the children. They are frustrated with the system.<br />
Would you prefer folks took their frustration out on you?</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42807</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42807</guid>
		<description>Absolutely JL -- No one is thinking about what is best for the children.  English needs to be hammered into to them if they do come here either way, and the parents need to take into consideration the dangers of crossing the borders, human trafficking, druggies, sexual predators....and what will become of their children if they don't learn english pronto and suceed in school.

Children are such a low priority.  It's a disgrace - they've become disposable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely JL &#8212; No one is thinking about what is best for the children.  English needs to be hammered into to them if they do come here either way, and the parents need to take into consideration the dangers of crossing the borders, human trafficking, druggies, sexual predators&#8230;.and what will become of their children if they don&#8217;t learn english pronto and suceed in school.</p>
<p>Children are such a low priority.  It&#8217;s a disgrace - they&#8217;ve become disposable.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42805</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42805</guid>
		<description>Ducky said on 5 Dec 2007 at 12:07 pm: 
"...But that doesn’t mean we take out our frustrations on kids."

Think about it like this.  Scenario 1: A single parent (other parent is dead) murders someone or commits a crime and goes to jail.  What should happen to that child?  

Scenario 2: A child with two parents is at school one day and BOTH parents commit crimes which warrant prison time, what happens to the child.

In BOTH cases, the child is the innocent party, yet DIRECTLY affected by the actions of the parent.

Scenario3: A child is here in the United States and both parents are here illegally and are caught by ICE.  What should happen to the child?

Maybe the illegals' should think of their children before entering the US illegally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ducky said on 5 Dec 2007 at 12:07 pm:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;But that doesn’t mean we take out our frustrations on kids.&#8221;</p>
<p>Think about it like this.  Scenario 1: A single parent (other parent is dead) murders someone or commits a crime and goes to jail.  What should happen to that child?  </p>
<p>Scenario 2: A child with two parents is at school one day and BOTH parents commit crimes which warrant prison time, what happens to the child.</p>
<p>In BOTH cases, the child is the innocent party, yet DIRECTLY affected by the actions of the parent.</p>
<p>Scenario3: A child is here in the United States and both parents are here illegally and are caught by ICE.  What should happen to the child?</p>
<p>Maybe the illegals&#8217; should think of their children before entering the US illegally.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42804</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42804</guid>
		<description>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 - I soooo agree with you!!!  There is NOTHING wrong with failing a child if he (general term, not referencing "male") cannot keep up.  

Now, about pre-K.  My mom is a nursery school teacher in one of the top Nursery Schools in the area.  Her class has one, maybe two native speakers (back down, libs, you know what I mean).  One of the major problems is lack of ability to communicate.  These children do not understand English as it is not their first language and THEIR parent's are here LEGALLY.

The children typically come from Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and yes, a few from Central and South America.  Mom is NOT trained to speak all of their languages (she does speak a little Greek, though) and what happens is that she is forced to take time away from others to try to calm down a crying child who does not understand the language.

And THIS is at a PRIVATE nursery school.  I once dated a teacher in the Fairfax County School System (6th Grade teacher) who would get assignments turned in in Spanish.  By the sheer fact that the illegals (those who overstayed Visas, those who snuck across our borders) are here are not just putting a drain on our system, but also on our teachers.  It is bad enough that a teacher has to dumb down the classwork, or teach at a speed that all can understand, but when they have to deal with children who do not want to be in this country in the first place and refuse to speak English...something is wrong and the solution is QUITE easy...you pay taxes, you get a Federal free education, you are here illegally, you should have thought about that before you broke the law, Jack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/\/\3|)iç 64 - I soooo agree with you!!!  There is NOTHING wrong with failing a child if he (general term, not referencing &#8220;male&#8221;) cannot keep up.  </p>
<p>Now, about pre-K.  My mom is a nursery school teacher in one of the top Nursery Schools in the area.  Her class has one, maybe two native speakers (back down, libs, you know what I mean).  One of the major problems is lack of ability to communicate.  These children do not understand English as it is not their first language and THEIR parent&#8217;s are here LEGALLY.</p>
<p>The children typically come from Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and yes, a few from Central and South America.  Mom is NOT trained to speak all of their languages (she does speak a little Greek, though) and what happens is that she is forced to take time away from others to try to calm down a crying child who does not understand the language.</p>
<p>And THIS is at a PRIVATE nursery school.  I once dated a teacher in the Fairfax County School System (6th Grade teacher) who would get assignments turned in in Spanish.  By the sheer fact that the illegals (those who overstayed Visas, those who snuck across our borders) are here are not just putting a drain on our system, but also on our teachers.  It is bad enough that a teacher has to dumb down the classwork, or teach at a speed that all can understand, but when they have to deal with children who do not want to be in this country in the first place and refuse to speak English&#8230;something is wrong and the solution is QUITE easy&#8230;you pay taxes, you get a Federal free education, you are here illegally, you should have thought about that before you broke the law, Jack.</p>
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		<title>By: Ducky</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42803</link>
		<dc:creator>Ducky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42803</guid>
		<description>I'm all for more secure borders.  I think our borders should be 10 times more secure, if we can afford it.

But that doesn't mean we take out our frustrations on kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for more secure borders.  I think our borders should be 10 times more secure, if we can afford it.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean we take out our frustrations on kids.</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42801</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/04/more-evidence-section-287g-works/#comment-42801</guid>
		<description>WGW,  It is ok.  I have been online long enough that I can read typonese (c:  I am a graduate of the hunt and peck school of typing, currently enrolled in the six finger to include the thumb space bar class (c;

They demand results with NCLB, but failed to fund it.  My mom is a teacher in IL and she, along with her fellow teachers, hate it.  They have to dumb down everything so everyone can pass.  I am sorry, but some people will fail in life no matter what.  Schooling is no different.  The problem is too many requirements without funding to make sure they an be implemented.  This is really no different than Congress telling the Generals in Iraq what to do.  They are not in the trenches, so to speak, so it is easy to say this and that has to be done.

Secure the borders, use the extra cash saved from providing ILLEGALS with services and make everybody's life much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WGW,  It is ok.  I have been online long enough that I can read typonese (c:  I am a graduate of the hunt and peck school of typing, currently enrolled in the six finger to include the thumb space bar class (c;</p>
<p>They demand results with NCLB, but failed to fund it.  My mom is a teacher in IL and she, along with her fellow teachers, hate it.  They have to dumb down everything so everyone can pass.  I am sorry, but some people will fail in life no matter what.  Schooling is no different.  The problem is too many requirements without funding to make sure they an be implemented.  This is really no different than Congress telling the Generals in Iraq what to do.  They are not in the trenches, so to speak, so it is easy to say this and that has to be done.</p>
<p>Secure the borders, use the extra cash saved from providing ILLEGALS with services and make everybody&#8217;s life much better.</p>
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