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	<title>Comments on: Bob Marshall Proposes Election Reforms</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Turn PW Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43452</link>
		<dc:creator>Turn PW Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43452</guid>
		<description>Lafayette:

As a RIGHT and not a PRIVILEGE, we should make it as easy as possible for eligible voters to register.  Rights should not in any way be infringed upon by making the process of exercising those rights burdensome without a really compelling reason to do so.  Motor voter has done a lot to engage a lot of people in the electoral process.  Going before the registrar was used in some states to create an undue  barrier to exercising the right to vote.  Since the requirements for proving identity to register to vote are actually less burdensome than the identity requirements to get a driver's license, I would think that DMV staff would be MORE qualified than the Voter Registrar at evaluating such documents, especially since DMV staff will see more examples in a given day/week/month than someone at the Registrar's office.

As I asked early and NoVA Scout just asked, though, what compelling, REAL problems does this bill address?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lafayette:</p>
<p>As a RIGHT and not a PRIVILEGE, we should make it as easy as possible for eligible voters to register.  Rights should not in any way be infringed upon by making the process of exercising those rights burdensome without a really compelling reason to do so.  Motor voter has done a lot to engage a lot of people in the electoral process.  Going before the registrar was used in some states to create an undue  barrier to exercising the right to vote.  Since the requirements for proving identity to register to vote are actually less burdensome than the identity requirements to get a driver&#8217;s license, I would think that DMV staff would be MORE qualified than the Voter Registrar at evaluating such documents, especially since DMV staff will see more examples in a given day/week/month than someone at the Registrar&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>As I asked early and NoVA Scout just asked, though, what compelling, REAL problems does this bill address?</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43384</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43384</guid>
		<description>What exactly is the problem that these bills address?</description>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43355</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43355</guid>
		<description>If the US had 1/2 the money used to secure Iraq's border imagine what we could do with our own border wtih Mexico. 

If the US had 1/2 the money used to build roads and bridges in Iraq imagine what we could do with our own infrastructure and save lives.

If the US has 1/2 the money used to build schools and hospitals in Iraq imagine what we could do with our own schools and healthcare.

Before anyone has the gall to ask me to spend one more dime of my money on a gas tax, poll tax or campaign, I want my Iraq money back.

I don't care if the Whig party is resurrected, party alliance means nothing to me anymore nor should it to anyone else - I want to see some brave folks step up and suggest we take care of ourselves first.  AND I believe it can be done with dignity and kindness. 

Ten illegal votes is soooo unimportant compared to the rest of the mess this nation is in - at least to cost me money it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the US had 1/2 the money used to secure Iraq&#8217;s border imagine what we could do with our own border wtih Mexico. </p>
<p>If the US had 1/2 the money used to build roads and bridges in Iraq imagine what we could do with our own infrastructure and save lives.</p>
<p>If the US has 1/2 the money used to build schools and hospitals in Iraq imagine what we could do with our own schools and healthcare.</p>
<p>Before anyone has the gall to ask me to spend one more dime of my money on a gas tax, poll tax or campaign, I want my Iraq money back.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if the Whig party is resurrected, party alliance means nothing to me anymore nor should it to anyone else - I want to see some brave folks step up and suggest we take care of ourselves first.  AND I believe it can be done with dignity and kindness. </p>
<p>Ten illegal votes is soooo unimportant compared to the rest of the mess this nation is in - at least to cost me money it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43353</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43353</guid>
		<description>Nope, no Ms coming from the Dolph, for it was I who named you.  Don't get me wrong, I am all for preventative measures.  I am just not sure these are the right ones.  Perhaps they are.  As I said, I need to know more before the magic seal of approval is bestowed.  The moment something is required that costs a voter money, it will be considered a poll tax.  I would probably prefer a model that has already passed Constitutional muster.  
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Thanks Greg.  It is your blog, you may call it what you wish.  It was too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, no Ms coming from the Dolph, for it was I who named you.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am all for preventative measures.  I am just not sure these are the right ones.  Perhaps they are.  As I said, I need to know more before the magic seal of approval is bestowed.  The moment something is required that costs a voter money, it will be considered a poll tax.  I would probably prefer a model that has already passed Constitutional muster.<br />
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Thanks Greg.  It is your blog, you may call it what you wish.  It was too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43347</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43347</guid>
		<description>Dolph,
Oh the Bob Marshall, his is sly one. Bob's bandwagon would be the last one I would jump on. I'm so glad we are in small portion of the county that's represented by Jackson Miller.
I believe such laws are a preventive measure, and sends a message to the illegals. Um, that's Ms. Mistletoe to you. :)
GregL,
Thanks. I agree with Dolph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,<br />
Oh the Bob Marshall, his is sly one. Bob&#8217;s bandwagon would be the last one I would jump on. I&#8217;m so glad we are in small portion of the county that&#8217;s represented by Jackson Miller.<br />
I believe such laws are a preventive measure, and sends a message to the illegals. Um, that&#8217;s Ms. Mistletoe to you. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
GregL,<br />
Thanks. I agree with Dolph.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43345</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43345</guid>
		<description>Although not spam, it was rather off-topic and has been removed.

If anyone has questions about how comments are moderated, don't hesitate to email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although not spam, it was rather off-topic and has been removed.</p>
<p>If anyone has questions about how comments are moderated, don&#8217;t hesitate to email me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43344</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43344</guid>
		<description>Greg L,

Formal request here to remove the spam.  It is way off topic and takes up space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg L,</p>
<p>Formal request here to remove the spam.  It is way off topic and takes up space.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43343</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43343</guid>
		<description>Mistletoe,

Documents from other countries should not be acceptable as forms of proof of US Citizenship or legal status.  I question how much training voting registrars have also.  What are the qualifications to be one?  I have no clue.  

I am leery of new laws, especially ones authored by Bob Marshall.  I have no problem shoring up voter verification IF there is a problem.  Meanwhile, I am on the lookout for unintended consequences.  I will take the wait and see approach before jumping on the band wagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mistletoe,</p>
<p>Documents from other countries should not be acceptable as forms of proof of US Citizenship or legal status.  I question how much training voting registrars have also.  What are the qualifications to be one?  I have no clue.  </p>
<p>I am leery of new laws, especially ones authored by Bob Marshall.  I have no problem shoring up voter verification IF there is a problem.  Meanwhile, I am on the lookout for unintended consequences.  I will take the wait and see approach before jumping on the band wagon.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43340</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43340</guid>
		<description>Isn't this trying to solve the problem at the end of the problem?  Not sure I would want to spend much of my tax dollars on this one.  Did Marshall submit any about fining/punishing employers of illegals?  I mean this seems pretty lame considering the bigger issues - IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this trying to solve the problem at the end of the problem?  Not sure I would want to spend much of my tax dollars on this one.  Did Marshall submit any about fining/punishing employers of illegals?  I mean this seems pretty lame considering the bigger issues - IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for December)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43337</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette(Mistletoe for December)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43337</guid>
		<description>Dolph,
Yes, with VA documents! 
How well trained are they regarding  documents from the various countries around the globe? Hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,<br />
Yes, with VA documents!<br />
How well trained are they regarding  documents from the various countries around the globe? Hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43334</guid>
		<description>The clerks at the Manassas DMV are pretty well trained.  I felt like I was going through the Spanish Inquisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clerks at the Manassas DMV are pretty well trained.  I felt like I was going through the Spanish Inquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for December)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43332</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette(Mistletoe for December)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43332</guid>
		<description>Vienna Citizen,
I agree with you. How well trained are the clerks at DMV?
Unfortunately, "motor voter" is BS. You should have to go before a registrar and to become a legal voter. I did, and it was no big deal. Afterall, voting is a right not a privilege. It shouldn't be as easy as checking a box on your DMV forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vienna Citizen,<br />
I agree with you. How well trained are the clerks at DMV?<br />
Unfortunately, &#8220;motor voter&#8221; is BS. You should have to go before a registrar and to become a legal voter. I did, and it was no big deal. Afterall, voting is a right not a privilege. It shouldn&#8217;t be as easy as checking a box on your DMV forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Vienna Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43331</link>
		<dc:creator>Vienna Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43331</guid>
		<description>Follower of Jesus -

You left out one commandment: Thou shall not spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follower of Jesus -</p>
<p>You left out one commandment: Thou shall not spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Vienna Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43330</link>
		<dc:creator>Vienna Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43330</guid>
		<description>I'm not sure how this is really going to keep illegal voters out of the polling booth. 

Illegals who use false paperwork to get their driver's licenses may register to vote at the DMV, per the Motor Voter law. All mthey have to do is check a box on their driver's license application. Hence they will "legal voters" with a photo ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how this is really going to keep illegal voters out of the polling booth. </p>
<p>Illegals who use false paperwork to get their driver&#8217;s licenses may register to vote at the DMV, per the Motor Voter law. All mthey have to do is check a box on their driver&#8217;s license application. Hence they will &#8220;legal voters&#8221; with a photo ID.</p>
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		<title>By: Turn PW Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43324</link>
		<dc:creator>Turn PW Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43324</guid>
		<description>legal2-

What I want are legislators that focus their attention during limited legislative sessions on true issues of concern rather than wasting legislative time addressing non-issues. If Virginia does not have any current problems with rampant voter fraud, then this is a waste of time. Further, I am loathe to see hoops placed in the way of legitimate voters to protect against a non-existent threat.  Such a bill has costs as well. Several states that have passed photo ID voter laws have had to defend those laws against court challenges. This law would require additional staffing at the polls and additional training for poll workers. I'm not saying that we should turn a blind eye to voter fraud, but we also need to expend resources wisely--from limited time in legislative sessions to our budget to the resources willing to work on election day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legal2-</p>
<p>What I want are legislators that focus their attention during limited legislative sessions on true issues of concern rather than wasting legislative time addressing non-issues. If Virginia does not have any current problems with rampant voter fraud, then this is a waste of time. Further, I am loathe to see hoops placed in the way of legitimate voters to protect against a non-existent threat.  Such a bill has costs as well. Several states that have passed photo ID voter laws have had to defend those laws against court challenges. This law would require additional staffing at the polls and additional training for poll workers. I&#8217;m not saying that we should turn a blind eye to voter fraud, but we also need to expend resources wisely&#8211;from limited time in legislative sessions to our budget to the resources willing to work on election day.</p>
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		<title>By: legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43316</link>
		<dc:creator>legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43316</guid>
		<description>Turn Blue, do you want to have voter fraud BEFORE barriers are in place to prevent the abuse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turn Blue, do you want to have voter fraud BEFORE barriers are in place to prevent the abuse?</p>
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		<title>By: Turn PW Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43315</link>
		<dc:creator>Turn PW Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43315</guid>
		<description>Back to our regularly scheduled program...

Are there any actual facts that back up the need to put additional barriers to voting in place?  Was there rampant voting by ineligible voters in this last cycle?  These are actually serious questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to our regularly scheduled program&#8230;</p>
<p>Are there any actual facts that back up the need to put additional barriers to voting in place?  Was there rampant voting by ineligible voters in this last cycle?  These are actually serious questions.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43294</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43294</guid>
		<description>I have a question. What happens to the donations for campaigns while given, but not running. Does it sit  in a bank and accrue interest? Are they able to do what ever they want to do with it? How does it work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question. What happens to the donations for campaigns while given, but not running. Does it sit  in a bank and accrue interest? Are they able to do what ever they want to do with it? How does it work?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43291</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43291</guid>
		<description>I have to show ID now when I vote.   How is this bill going to change that?  As far a posting something to read, who is going to take time read it.  Good grief, I just have to run the gaunlet of campagin workers who get in my way walking to the door.  More superflous stuff by Marshall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to show ID now when I vote.   How is this bill going to change that?  As far a posting something to read, who is going to take time read it.  Good grief, I just have to run the gaunlet of campagin workers who get in my way walking to the door.  More superflous stuff by Marshall.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43289</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/08/bob-marshall-proposes-election-reforms/#comment-43289</guid>
		<description>Lafayette - Well, fair is fair.  I value fairness above a lot of things.  Besides,  I am not most people.  :)

Didn't you love Mr. May quoting Huckabee about WWJD???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lafayette - Well, fair is fair.  I value fairness above a lot of things.  Besides,  I am not most people.  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you love Mr. May quoting Huckabee about WWJD???</p>
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