Triple Homicide Suspect: Illegal or Not?
By Greg L | 9 December 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Prince William County | 111 Comments
The suspected perpetrator of this morning’s triple homicide in Woodbridge, a Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda, has been caught in Pennsylvania, and some details about this are starting to emerge that might indicate that the perpetrator may be an illegal alien, or at least was associated with a group that would appear to be illegal aliens. From the WUSA9 website:
Police say it happened around 8:30 Sunday when a man entered the home and opened fire. About twelve people, all immigrants from Mexico, were asleep inside the home including several small children.
It would be far preferable of the reporting on this incident clearly stated whether this was another crime related to illegal aliens or not, a has been the case in several other high-profile crimes reported over the past several months. In this case, the circumstances seem to be consistent with the sub-culture of illegal aliens that exists, although there is no confirmation that this is the case. Since the public policy implications are substantially different depending on the legal status of a criminal, it would be much more responsible for the press to provide this important detail as a matter of course in their reporting. I’m disappointed this is not more frequently the case.
It might lead one to conclude that the mainstream media just doesn’t want to report on these facts.
There will always (unfortunately) be crime, and it is rather likely that illegal aliens are not responsible for the majority of crime that exists in our communities. When an illegal alien commits a crime, however, that crime is something that could have been entirely prevented if federal, state and local governments had been effective in keeping illegal aliens out of our communities. The amount by which we might potentially reduce crime by removing the illegal aliens who commit it is meaningless to the victims and survivors. To them, that one crime is insufferable, and they can not only hold the illegal alien who committed that crime responsible, but the local, state and federal governments as well which together allowed the perpetrator to unlawfully be present in the community and able to commit the crime. Every instance of this type of crime is intolerable.
To make good policy decisions, we need good information. For better or worse, the media is a major source for that information, and unless they provide the whole truth, and not just those portions which they find comfortable, our ability to make informed decisions as an electorate will certainly suffer. Perhaps the media doesn’t know about this person’s legal status yet, but they sure seem to be coming up with every other tidbit of information on this alleged perpetrator. I think they know, and just don’t want to say.
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Maybe they don’t know yet.
I hope they get this guy’s butt back here asap, and check the immigration status. I want to know the status. We’ll have to wait and see. I couldn’t help notice neighbors described the victims as “hard working immigrants”. I have my doubts the suspect was.
The number of murders is on the rise in our county. This is number can not continue to increase each year, it should be decreasing. This is horrible, and 5 small children in the house to boot. Here’s a fewer other links I dug up.
Greg L
Thanks!
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/479100_video.html?ref=newsstory
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14807552/detail.html?dl=mainclick
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5167673&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
One Voice,
I doubt they will know until they get him back here in PWC, and that might take a day or two for transport. The sooner the better I say. We did need these story on bvbl.
I want to know the status of this guy. However, there were 5 small children in the house.
Murders seem to be more and more frequent in PWC and the two cities.
Here’s some other stories I found regarding the triple murder.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/479100_video.html?ref=newsstory
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14807552/detail.html?dl=mainclick
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5167673&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
GregL,
Thanks.
Oh, don’t disagree. Just thought we might not know because it looks like they haven’t even gotten him yet. Now should he be deported or tried for murder with capital punishment. This is where I can’t figure out what should happen.
PS Wilkes-Barre is only about 15-20 miles from Hazelton - interesting link….?
One Voice,
He was caught in Pennsylvania. I think capital punishment is better there’s no chance of return. Deportation, return to USA in less than six months is my guess.
Yeah, makes sense. I don’t know how that works. If he is here illegally, can Mexico try to extradite him if they don’t believe in capital punishment? Canada does. Don’t know if status carries any weight. My first post was about 1/5 of what I was thinking when I first read it. Not sure how this one will play out with all the issues… regardless of status whatever it is.
Tried for murder. Serve the sentence then deport them. If he is just deported he can sneak back into the country with no punishment.
Well, a triple would likely get death,right? It’s the extradition I don’t understand - if it’s a factor.
I would certainly think so. All capital punishment cases in PWC
do seem to be found guilty. That’s a good thing.
Some would say fire “sparky” up.
He was probablly found in a “sanctuary county/city” unlike PWC.
Right up the road from Hazelton.
If he was in Mexico they would not let extradition take place for a capital murder case. Thank God he’s in P.A. This deserves the death penalty!
BTW- There would have been a ZERO murder rate in Manassas City this year, but for illegal aliens.
Oh, I am confused. I thought Mexico could request he be sent back to Mexico because of our captial punishment.
Interesting stat on Manassas City. This is for 2007, right?
Maureen,
Now THAT is something that should be out there (”There would have been a ZERO murder rate in Manassas City this year, but for illegal aliens.”)!!! This is a no brainer, folks, fry the bastard.
And when we do, as a symbolic gesture, everyone should turn their lights off when Sparky is turned on as an act of solidarity for the sentence. Mexico can scream all they want, we should just tell them to “Press 1 for English”!!!
John
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=5311
This just in:
CORAL GABLES, Fla. - The Republican presidential candidates sought to embrace Hispanics in a Spanish language debate Sunday, striving to mark common ground with a growing voter bloc while softening the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric that has marked their past encounters.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/ap_on_el_pr/republicans_spanish_debate
I’m appaled at your comments. Yes, it terrible, heinous crime has been comitted, but the way you bat around the death penalty is very disturbing. HSM as judge and jury; Lafayette jokes about “some people say, fire sparky up” , and John Light comes up with “this is a no brainer, folks, fry the bastard”. There’s a rule of law which is something you all tout. How about waiting to execute him until a judge has given the OK!
John Light can volunteer to turn the switch to get total satisfaction. Or give the injection, if that’s the preferred way of killing the guilty party.
Krusty, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER and will GLADLY volunteer to give injection (wimp way out), shoot the bastard, or any of the other excellent methods we have in this Commonwealth to ensure no repeat offenders. However you ARE right on one point, the trial. THAT is understood. Once he gets his trial and IF found guilty, make it fast and sure.
I have a SERIOUS problem when someone kills a president of the United States or a cop and they are tried and executed within months but if you or I were murdered the same way, 20 or so years later MAYBE they would be executed. Why isn’t the death penalty a deterrent??? Because it is not used properly.
Krusty, you’re right, for once. First, we gotta convict the guilty bastard.
Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda, was found guilty in PWC General District Court of allowing an unlicensed person to drive his vehicle on 9/29/07, which is a Class 2 Misdeamenor. He was fined. Would they have checked his immigration status then? Also, back in 1996 an Anastacio F. Sanchez was found guilty of malicious wounding. Is this one the same person? I won’t know until tomorrow when I look at both of the files.
Wilkes-Barre (variously pronounced) is, like Hazleton, in Luzerne County. My recollection (I spent about six months there before moving to PWC) is that it’s somewhat farther than 15 minutes from there.
It would certainly be interesting to see the murders allegedly committed by legal residents as compared to illegals. I suspect that it’s not a statistic that they specifically compile.
Krusty,
Please, I’m certainly not claiming to be judge and jury. I would hope we all know enough that all of this of course once a suspect has been found guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers.
NEVER ONCE DID I SAY HE WAS GUILTY! He’s a suspect and clearly stated that on another thread.
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 9 Dec 2007 at 7:44 pm:
***THE SUSPECT WAS CAPTURED IN PENNSYLVANIA**
Why do insist on trying to cause trouble. I just don’t get it.
John Light et al,
Please see link for Tancredo’s position on the Spanish debate:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071205/NATION/112050039/1002&template=printart
Advocator,
No one said he was guilty yet. Take it easy.
I stated he was a SUSPECT. Krusty as usual trying to stir the pot a little.
Chris,
Thanks you for the link.
from another Chris
Chris,
I saw that. Paul needs to wear a t-shirt that says, “I refuse to Press 2″!!! If you ever decide to move up the street, we could use you in Fairfax, my friend.
Go Army!!!
John
John Light said on 9 Dec 2007 at 11:14 pm:
Krusty, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER and will GLADLY volunteer to give injection (wimp way out), shoot the bastard, or any of the other excellent methods we have in this Commonwealth to ensure no repeat offenders.
Maybe, we could draw straws or flip a coin to see which one of us could get that gig.
After a guilty conviction of course, but some seem to think we don’t know any better.
I liked this line from Chris’ article..
The ad blames “gutless politicians” for not acting to secure the borders and remove illegal aliens. Thankfully we have the Honorable John Stirrup who had the GUTS to do something.
Chris R,
I bet you would have voted against that sewer Tuesday had you been sitting in Hilda’s seat. Also, don’t listen to John Light we need you right here PWC.
I know that all you have to do is look at the round that they give you to determine if it is a blank or not. I would make sure I had a round of my own on me, then do a head-shot.
This might not be a death penalty situation.
However, if convicted, I would certainly hope this person would not see the light of day for the rest of his life and that deportation would be a moot point because he should never get out of prison.
I do agree with JL, that death penalty cases drag on entirely too long if the victim is the ordinary person. Actually I don’t like thinking about the criminal justice system. All too often it is about who has the slickest lawyer. Right and wrong as we know it seems to vaporize and everything becomes procedure rather than guilt or innocence. The ancient Greeks hated lawyers because they were not seekers of the truth. Perhaps they were on to something.
OK, people, I am up at 11:42pm because I am doing 3 loads of laundry (one kid)…how about you all???
I wonder if the two people that were shot and are expected to recover are illegal aliens. If so, will they now be granted legal status, due to being the victims of a violent crime…even if that perpetrator turns out to be an illegal alien?
John Light -
Was that your son that made it into Taranto’s “Best of the Web” last Friday?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110010963
BTW, Gunnar is one of the coolest names around.
Dolph: The slickest lawyer is right. We can not forget the appeals too many years too. I don’t fly by this blog that often, and by the looks of this story I should make my “fly by’s” more frequently.
>>>zoom>>>
I’m up because I just finished a drive to CT from Manassas for a training session I’m giving at the submarine base up here tomorrow.
Rob: too funny. No, NOT my child - if it was, he would have been writing in Japanese or German (youngest not taking a language yet, just in 7th grade, first year of middle school).
starryflights said on 9 Dec 2007 at 11:45 pm:
If I was overseas and shot, odds are that I would be sent home to recover, after the initial time spent in the hospital. If they are illegals, we should afford them the same priviledge.
John - Right on. I saw it last night and I just had to ask.
Ok, off topic. I doubt that children read this blog (sorry Greg) so I am about to enlighten ALL parent’s on here. IF your child plays Halo 3…here is a nifty video for you to check out and then take the little bastard, er, angel on: http://www.videojug.com/film/halo-3-tips-and-tricks
No problem. I asked my wife, Neve, if she recognized the handwriting and she did not
John Light:
Maureen,
Now THAT is something that should be out there (”There would have been a ZERO murder rate in Manassas City this year, but for illegal aliens.”)!!!
James Young said:
It would certainly be interesting to see the murders allegedly committed by legal residents as compared to illegals. I suspect that it’s not a statistic that they specifically compile.
____
How does John know that illegal aliens have committed all the murders in Manassas if James says they don’t keep such statistics?
Ducky,
There’s only been a couple of murders in Manassas City this year and they took place within about a month of each other, and that is a fact.
John was replying to Maureen’s statement. Which is correct.
Don’t waste your time on JY’S suspicions. Suspicions are not FACTS.
We need the numbers on all crimes committed by illegal aliens. Hello.
Ducky, you even “copied” Maureen’s name. Are you suffering from JL envy - lmao
I am not certain that illegal aliens have committed all of the murders this year in Manassas, but they certainly have been arrested as suspects in most of them. The legal status of these suspects has been widely reported in the local media.
GregL,
I think there’s only been two murders in the city this year. Now, the more I think about it. I know the one with the 18yr old female on Mahogany Ct. definately was. Here’s the link to the second murder in Manassas and the suspct it that one was “homegrown”. Here’s the link from bvbl on that murder.
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/16/be-on-the-lookout/
Here’s the link to the first murder in the City of Manassas.
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/15/another-grisly-murder/
corr. SUSPECT in that one was “homegrown”.
Wilkes-Barre (variously pronounced) is, like Hazleton, in Luzerne County. My recollection (I spent about six months there before moving to PWC) is that it’s somewhat farther than 15 minutes from there
Okay, it’s twenty minutes according to Google Maps - 25.6 miles on Rte 81. Close enough….
There were at least five adults living in the house on Grandview, not including the suspect’s wife who was staying the night there. In addition, there were three children (according to news reports) that lived there. According to Channel four news, only the couple that were killed were related. The other three adults were not related. One of the neighbors that was interviewed said the people did not speak English and several were rented rooms by the person who rented the house. That sounds like a zoning violation of some sort. Its only a 3 bedroom house. Deport them all if they are illegal. While they did not commit the act of violence, they brought it to this community. If they are illegal and don’t belong here, if they were not here, no crime would have happened.
“To be eligible in Virginia for the death penalty, a criminal must commit a murder under one or more special circumstances. These circumstances include robbery or attempted robbery; rape or attempted rape or sodomy, or attempted sodomy, or object sexual penetration; abduction with intent to extort money; the killing of a law enforcement officer; a multiple homicide; murder for hire; murder while incarcerated; murder of more than 1 person in a 3 year period; drug related; pregnant woman; murder victim is less than 14 by an over 21 year old perpetrator”
We’ll see what happens.
I don’t understand why a citizen whose life is impacted in a severe way by an illegal alien can’t sue the local, state or federal government for failing to adhere to the constitution and protect them? If one of my family members were killed or attacked by an illegal then why couldn’t I sue the government for $100 million? What stops local citizens from putting together a class action lawsuit against the federal government? Maybe one should be put together by a law firm to represent a few million Americans as a publicity stunt at the very least to shame them into action. I just don’t understand why people haven’t gotten serious about this problem yet and taken to the streets.
Just like the cigarette company lawsuits. We believed what they printed (consitution/legislation) that we were safe and that SS was solvent. But they didn’t disclose what they were really doing -giving everything away to Iraq and letting our borders slip …. our bridges failing, gridlock, unreliable public transporation, and public safety.
I’m with you Park’d -to narrow it down to one issue although I would like to go after all of it at once. One person killed by illegal should be enough for a lawsuit. If we can sue and get to the Supreme Court over God in or out of Pledge, bible in front of courthouse, someone should be concerned with a life extinguished. Sorry state this country has become. Bible in front of courthouse more of an issue than a life.
Maryland wants to let non citizens be cops:
ROCKVILLE, Md. — The agency that oversees training and hiring standards for police departments in Maryland is looking at a proposal that would let noncitizens with green cards become police officers.
The proposal is being championed by Montgomery County Police Chief Thomas Manger. He said it doesn’t make sense that legal immigrants can join the U.S. military but can’t become law enforcement officers.
The Maryland Police Training Commission could vote on the issue next month.
Critics said it would be difficult to check the backgrounds of noncitizens applying to be officers, and they said the proposal could allow terrorists to infiltrate police agencies.
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 9 Dec 2007 at 10:28 pm:
I would certainly think so. All capital punishment cases in PWC
do seem to be found guilty. That’s a good thing.
Some would say fire “sparky” up.
After this posting….and y’all wanted a ham sandwich. We have the best Commonwealth Atty in the State and becuase he is a Democrat you wont admit it. HA!
After this comment by Lafayette ….y’all wanted to vote for a ham sandwich for Commonwealth Attorney. Ebert has the best record in the State for capital murder cases….HA. Just shows who was playing politics again….
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 9 Dec 2007 at 10:28 pm:
I would certainly think so. All capital punishment cases in PWC
do seem to be found guilty. That’s a good thing.
Maureen Woods, get your facts straight. How about the murder on Weems?
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0907/456762.html
After this comment you are in favor of ham sandwhich - what are you thinking. PE has more Capital cases on death row than anyone in the state. THe Feds didn’t pick him to try the sniper case for nothing…
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 9 Dec 2007 at 10:28 pm:
I would certainly think so. All capital punishment cases in PWC
do seem to be found guilty. That’s a good thing.
Perhaps Maureen was making a point about that as well. The man killed on Weems was illegal, therefore, if there had been no illegals in Manassas, there would have been no victim to kill.
Illegals are known to cause an increase in street crime even if they are only the victims, since it is commonly believed that they carry amounts of cash due to their circumstances. Where you find illegals, you also find a criminal element determined to take advantage of them. Take away from the aliens and the criminals are forced to look elsewhere for victims.
anon said:
Illegals are known to cause an increase in street crime even if they are only the victims, since it is commonly believed that they carry amounts of cash due to their circumstances
James Young said:
It would certainly be interesting to see the murders allegedly committed by legal residents as compared to illegals. I suspect that it’s not a statistic that they specifically compile.
If such statistics aren’t kept, then how does one know whether illegals cause crime increases?
anonymoustoo said on 10 Dec 2007 at 8:24 am:
Excuse me, Maureen Woods you know better. Why be so rude?
Anon at 9:16 nailed it on the head.
Illegals are NOT welcome here! They add nothing positive, and are CRIMINALS just by being in our country.Why don’t you get that?
park’d said on 10 Dec 2007 at 7:31 am:
“I don’t understand why a citizen whose life is impacted in a severe way by an illegal alien can’t sue the local, state or federal government for failing to adhere to the constitution and protect them?”
It’s called the “doctrine of sovereign immunity,” Parked. You can’t sue the gummint for performing (or not performing) governmental type actions. People tried back in the Vietnam days because there was no declaration of war and the courts dismissed the suits.
Ducky,
I believe the ADC keeps numbers. I’ve heard it said 21% of the jail population in PWC is ILLEGAL. Remember, legal status has NOT always been asked either. I do think someone somewhere must be looking at this. Hopefully, some better informed person than myself knows the answer. I’d like to know for sure myself. The docket is bigger this year than it was last year, are jail is more than likely running a higher occupancy than last year. We must not forget too that the illegals obtain fraudulent documents and commit identity theft.
I think there are a lot of answered questions, we’d all like the accurate answer to, and not some PC BS.
I find it iteresting to note that a child abuse case, filed against an illegal alien that made the front page of the MJM a few weeks ago, has not kept it’s readers up-to-date as to the status of that case. The fact of the matter was that the case went to trial on 5 December, the defendent pleaded “no contest” and was sentenced to 12 months in jail with all time suspended except for time served. Why hasn’t the public informed about the outcome? Is the felon going to be deported. The MJM sould be providing some answers as the the paper filed the story (perhaps to gain sympathy for a poor illegal child abuser?) Maybe they are ignoring it (in the hopes everyone has forgotten the story) and the cry for her deportation will wane.
Case Number:
CR68282 COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA vs. LOPEZ Charge: MISD CONTR DEL OF MINOR Location: JW Judge:
(12) Spanish language interpreter requested.
12/5/2007 Trial: Non-Jury - Plea 10:00 AM-AMEND FR FEL CHILD ABUSE P/NO CONTEST F/G 12 MOS JAIL SUSP ALL BUT TIME SERVED/LOP/COND None
corr - public been informed
Vigilant1
Sounds like it’s time for us to start writing letters to the editor on that case. Thanks, as always. Still nothing down at the corner of Strasburg. Hmmm.
All,
Start sending those letters to the MJM/Potomac News.
12 months for scalding her mentally retarded daughter????? Good thing she didn’t run over a dog - she might have gotten 15 months. Good thing she didn’t rob a store, she might have gotten 5 years.
Nationwide I believe the statistics show that “born in America citizens” commit more crimes percentage-wise than immigrants to America.
However, statistics can be twisted to support anything. I’ve never heard any numbers separating illegal immigrants from legal immigrants. Of course legal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes…they’ve worked pretty hard to get here by the legal channels so I doubt that most of their responsibilities as citizens lightly. Illegals have violated the law just by being here. I would think it a safe assumption to say that illegals probably commit many law violations just by being here and trying to work (i.e. fake IDs, zoning violations, driving without a license, switching vehicle tags, stolen social security numbers, etc.) than legal immigrants.
It is well documented, however, that in areas with high ILLEGAL populations, that street crimes do increase. I’m not accusing the illegals of committing those crimes because in many cases they are victims. But they are like a magnet for crime because they carry cash and because it is believed that they will not go to the police if they are victimized.
Does anyone want a community full of crime magnets?
The police dept. recognized this and that is why they were wrongly against the resolution. From Chief Deane’s point, he knew that in the short term, crime might increase because criminals would think that illegals will now be forced to keep their mouths shut, therefore they are the perfect victims.
Chief Deane was being shortsighted though. Although that may be the case in the short term, however in the long term, having fewer illegals means less crime overall because there will be both fewer illegal criminals AND fewer illegal victims of crime.
For Dolph and all others out there who are not convinced that higher numbers of law abiding citizens should be carrying guns, please read Fred Reed’s latest at http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm.
Thanks Advocator. Any particular article? And I also thank you for being fair about my position. I believe that describing me as ‘not convinced that higher numbers of law abiding citizens should be carrying guns’ is more than fair. Many would just slap out a ‘anti gun’ label on me which is not the case. I am a gun owner myself.
If convicted, this man would be eligible for the death penalty. It is a triple murder.
I read that seven adults were residing in this house. Seems like an overcrowded house.
I hope Greg will give us updates on this.
Anon at 9:16,
“Perhaps Maureen was making a point about that as well. The man killed on Weems was illegal, therefore, if there had been no illegals in Manassas, there would have been no victim to kill.”
Where do you get that information? WTOP reported that he (the victim) was legally in the US on a work visa.
As for the rest of your statement, you don’t know whether he would have killed anyone else or not - just that he probably wouldn’t have killed anyone at that particular time in that particular location. If you want to make leaps of logic, you could say that the KKK literature distributed in that area encouraged him to commit his act. Or that the KKK chose that area in which to drop literature because someone requested some info or that HSM had made the KKK feel as though they were welcome (despite Greg’s public denial and denounciation after the fact). You could say that HSM was formed mainly to save WestGate and similar subdivisions. Therefore, WestGate residents are responsible for that death. See how stupid and illogical this game is.
anonymoustoo said on 10 Dec 2007 at 12:21 pm:
You could say that HSM was formed mainly to save WestGate and similar subdivisions. Therefore, WestGate residents are responsible for that death. See how stupid and illogical this game is.
You have a lot of nerve blaming the GOOD LEGAL CITIZENS of WestGate. The effects of illegals are seen all over the county.
1) Overcrowded houses
2) Overcrowded schools
3) Overflowing Emergency Rooms
4) Increased criminal activity and crimes
5) Illegals loitering and working illegally via 7-11’s
6) Gang activity
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Have you listened to any PWCBOS meetings. John J. and Hilda B. have complained about some of these very things themselves. Obviously, you should blame them too.
Get out your head out the sand and/or more on. I don’t like name calling so I want bother on here. However, there are some very choice names in my head for you. You should be thankful to live in a county where the legal residents want the Rule of Law enforced. You are FREE to move to “The People’s Rupublic of Arlington”!!
anonymoustoo,
I forget to mention this. How can the good folks from the Western end be responsible for the crime at the Eastern end. Oh, which by the way has always seem to have more crime in my almost 40years. You’ve probably not been here half that long.
I think Nancy L, Ricardo and John are looking for you.
Lafayette, duh, you missed my point entirely. But you’re wrong if you think these problems are as prevalent in other areas of the county as they are in WestGate and the Marumsco area of Woodbridge. Spin it as you may, but many, many neighborhoods don’t have the problems that yours does.
BTW, are you interested in paying higher taxes to start alleviating these problems. I’m not talking about maybe $50 or $200 a year, but several hundred or more if the avenues aren’t available legally to help…i.e., more to support schools and hospitals.
Ha ha…”who’s been here the longest” is not a pissing match I’m interested in getting involved in. My spouse and I have seen this game played out at our civic association meetings. All I can say is, “Thank God for new, young blood because the world would be pretty boring if it were only composed of old geezers”.
marumsco is a nasty, smelly blight on our county..
place is disgusting, I feel dirty every time I need to drive by there and attempt to avoid it at any cost.
Anonymoustoo: You wrote in ” If you want to make leaps of logic” Having read you numerous previous posts that’s like me saying “Anonymoustoo, I think you’re illegal and don’t deserve to live in the USA”. Reading between the lines we know what you really mean. Why do you give grief to those that have dedicated and devoted many hours of hard work improving you community? I doubt you’ll answer that one either. I’ve been around here a long time myself. I noticed you didn’t answer that that Ms. Lafayette asked.
I’m on broom and out of here.
did anyone check out that’s guys picture on the potomac news? he’s a weird looking one.
That’s a rough looking 39, if I ever saw one.
WGW, which question was that? About how the guys on the western side of the county are responsible for crime on the east end? You’ll have to ask Lafayette about that.
My initial post was that Maureen Wood was wrong when she said that illegal aliens are responsible for all the murders in Manassas City. (”BTW- There would have been a ZERO murder rate in Manassas City this year, but for illegal aliens.” …her quote). Then some anon said that “Perhaps Maureen was making a point about that as well. The man killed on Weems was illegal, therefore, if there had been no illegals in Manassas, there would have been no victim to kill.” That too was wrong …WTOP said that the victim was here with a legal work permit. Then I gave several examples of faulty logic but Lafayette didn’t get it and got mad at me instead. I applaud Lafayette for the work she’s done to improve her community. That doesn’t mean that I have to like or approve of the manner in which this resolution has played out in our county and in that respect I’m as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.
Patty said on 10 Dec 2007 at 12:16 pm:
If convicted, this man would be eligible for the death penalty. It is a triple murder.
I read that seven adults were residing in this house. Seems like an overcrowded house.
I hope Greg will give us updates on this.
Either the MJM or WP referred to the residents as “extended family.”
Here is the original post on the now convicted child abuser.
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/11/25/the-mjm-tells-a-sob-story/
Just how many people lived in this house? According to the MJM:
“He entered the basement of the home and shot and injured two men, Deane said.
He also entered an upstairs bedroom where his estranged wife, Lopez-Garcia, Europa and Guevara were sleeping in a bedroom with five children, Deane said.”
Okay, that’s two in the basement, NINE in JUST ONE bedroom, and it’s a safe bet the other bedrooms were overcrowded as well!
There were 11 total in the house, six adults and five children. Three bedroom, one bathroom. It was a rooming house.
There was also a birthday party the night before and if I recall correctly, the guy who shot the victims was drinking. Some may have been crashing for the night (for arugment sake)
obit: Sounds like you’ve crashed a friends house or two in your day.
A Three bedroom house with 11 people sounds like a flophouse for me, or one hell of a party. Sounds like the guy got hopped up on some bad tequila or something.
I’m still going to lay my bet on the guy being an illegal alien, not saying he is but I’m pretty suspicious of course.
most people dont cram into a small house like gerbils…
anonymoustoo- I do have to apologize for my one comment. I was wrong. Should have gone to bed and posted today.(made a 6 hour drive and just got home when I posted)
Glad you spelled my name correctly on your other post. Wood, no S.
P.S.- It should be pointed out when something that is posted is wrong. Although you should do so politely.
WGW,
Yes, have crashed before, lol
I am not in disagreement that it is a flop house, just playing devil’s advocate. If I didn’t someone would have, so I threw it out there for argument sake.
Anybody know the address of the house? It should be reported to ICE so the owner can be investigated for a violation of the federal anti-harboring law.
Strange that none of the national news sites are carrying this story. Mere coincidence? I think not.We’ll see if Oreilly has anything to say about it tonight.
josh 3:25 - “most people don’t cram into a small house like gerbils”. If they don’t have any other place to get out of the cold and wet weather, they do. You would too, josh, if your only other choices were a park bench or to walk the streets.
As for after-party crowding, I’ve had 14-15 people in my house; plenty of space for 3 under the ping-pong table. Livingroom corner sofas take a couple more. All you need is a fairly flat surface, some pillows and covers - big towels or table cloths will do.
Krusty 5:09 pm:
There is nothing wrong for a short temporary stay as you described. But, I bet you didn’t keep that group there for months and years. Hmmmmmm?
Krusty said on 10 Dec 2007 at 5:09 pm- Yeah but those people were crammed into a bedroom. Most people that crash, do what you described, 3 under the ping-pong table. Livingroom corner sofas take a couple more. All you need is a fairly flat surface, some pillows and covers - big towels or table cloths will do.
NO ONE asked them to come here.
Advocator at 4:52 pm:
Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda, 39, was arrested Sunday afternoon in Pennsylvania on charges related to the bloody shootout that occurred in a home at the corner of Maurice Drive and Grandview Avenue in the Horner Road area of Woodbridge, said Prince William Police Chief Charlie T. Deane.
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Shouldn’t be hard to get the address number from the above description.
From This news clip it reports 13600 block of Grandview Ave
and I can’t make out the last digit of the house in the video 1361?
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/479100_video.html?ref=newsstory
The only 2 houses that I found to be on the corner of Maurice Dr & Grandview Ave ON Grandview Ave are: 13614 & 13613 Grandview
Also ,I found a Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda to have been charged in PWC on 4-27-03 of malicious wounding case # GC03003080-00 final disposition 7-10-03 nolle prosequi , could this be the same person?
ddpdrinker said on 9 Dec 2007 at 11:16 pm:
“Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda, was found guilty in PWC General District Court of allowing an unlicensed person to drive his vehicle on 9/29/07, which is a Class 2 Misdeamenor. He was fined. Would they have checked his immigration status then? Also, back in 1996 an Anastacio F. Sanchez was found guilty of malicious wounding. Is this one the same person? I won’t know until tomorrow when I look at both of the files.”
Any luck?
Krusty,
I totally agree (the world must be coming to an end because of that!)
thrown many a part and wound up in some mysterious places myself, fell asleep in a kiddie pool once, outside in god awful weather..almost died of hypothermia that night but, back to the subject
most likely a flophouse but the fact that he had a party could be a reason for all those people but it seems odd, many of them were children not in the immediate family I believe.
as for the national news channels…this was covered on CNN headline news a few times today and it’s been on CNN.com. I have all the news channels scrolling at work 24/7 right about my desk, it’s pretty irritating ..seeing all the bad stuff going on around the world is depressing sometimes.
Anonymous,
Do you see anything like this reported? I would worry about things coming to an end by this ( I am NOT being a smart A@@, just am asking
this has caught my eye for sometime now)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59105
* just asking…I just came across this a few minutes ago.
Krusty…this was no “stay over” at a house - I was in that house as a firefighter and there were mattresses in the front living room. There were at least five adults that lived there as I recall hearing from the police and one visiting. It was like a lot of the homes I see in Woodbridge anymore, sleeping quarters everywhere in the house.
There were two mattresses on the living room floor several feet from the front door. That makes me wonder why the front door was left unlocked (according to the news reports that is how the suspect got in) unless it was a rooming house.
We were surprised to find all of those people in such a small house. Again, this was no after party stay over, it was a rooming house.
Yep, you’re all correct. It was a rooming house, and it’s too bad people have to live like that. Hope they have heat in the house. Now I’m going to tuck myself into my cozy bed and read my Forbes mag that came today.
Big Paul Ebert, Dean of the Death Penalty…
Billyboy,
In complete agreement, sir. Where the heck have you been?
To everyone that reads this site and especially Maureen Wood. I have been able to do some thinking about a previous post on another thread and have come to the conclusion that i was wrong for what I said and would like to apologize to Ms. Wood. However, I want to say that at one time I was in 100% support of everything the HSM organization was about and then I started attending meetings and reading this blog and I really don’t like what I an hearing. And I have to say there are a lot more people that feel the way I do. We have mixed emotions about the way you are carrying out what is a most important mission. As I have always said, I think that every illegal alien should be sent back to the god forsaken country they came from, but not every hispanic citizen is illegal. I also have issues on here when you make statements and did not do the research to find that they are incorrect. It only hurts your cause and makes people like me that could be a help to the group rethink becoming a more active member. There have been people on here calling the hispanic people names like cockroaches and other names that should not be used. That type of actions is not necessary and should be left to someone else who is not representative of this blog and HSM. Because no matter how many times Greg says this site does not represent the feelings of HSM, we all know it does. Again, Maureen I do apologize as it was an inappropriate comment and will never be said again.
By the way, this would have come sooner but I was on that Comcast list.
Krusty said ‘and it’s too bad people have to live like that.’ And this is a major problem to those of us who heretofore thought we were living in middle class neighborhoods where people DO NOT live like this. Living packed in like this with multiple families can happen in any neighborhood because it is a result of pooling resources. It is cheaper to pool resources than for each of these family units to rent an apartment.
So why is this a problem? It trashes up your neighborhood, just to be blunt. Along with multiple families come ridiculous numbers of cars, work trucks, kids, garbage, and generally people who have a different standard of living than what is acceptable in the neighborhood.
When these types of living situation happen in townhouse communities, the issues become more problematic because of the increased chance of fire, limited parking, increased garbage, rodents and pests, and other problems that become more obvious the denser the population becomes.
Prince William County needs to quickly work on solutions to the housing issues. If this horrible murder doesn’t highlight some of the problems that exist, I don’t know what will. We really have a socio economic culture clash on our hands.
Bayberry resident,
I think you re genuine in your apology and I commend you for doing so.
I also agree with your concerns!
Bayberry resident,
I tried to post…hopefully it will not be duplicated.
I think you are sincere in your apology and I agree with some of your concerns
anonymoustoo (@1:10 pm)
your comment to Lafayette that you don’t want to “make
this a pissing contest” (re who’s been a resident longer) is
down right comical, since as I see it, you seem to want to
make everything a pissing contest. When you make comments
that “the world would be pretty boring if it were composed of
only old geezers”, you’re leaving yourself wide open for another
pissing contest; one, I might add, you will never win here.
It’s official folks…Potomac News just outed the guy as an illegal alien from Mexico!
guess the suspicions of many (including myself) were correct. I also heard that this place was a boarding house confirming the statement of one made previously by another poster.
Josh
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/340771.html
Here is a new “defense” for attempted rape by an illegal - he did it so he would get deported back to Guatemala - righhhht….