Is The Billboard Coming Down?
By Greg L | 12 December 2007 | Manassas City | 170 Comments
The original billboard at Prince William & Liberty Streets in Manassas.
The City of Manassas may finally be acting to remove the monstrosity of a home-made billboard in the city’s historic district at the corner of Prince William and Liberty Streets, according to the MJM:
Recently, the city of Manassas told property owner Gaudencio Fernandez to get a building permit after work had been done to reinforce the remaining wall of the mostly demolished structure. On Monday, city manager Lawrence Hughes told council that the city turned over the matter to its lawyers due to Fernandez’ lack of action.
Despite the thin hyper-sensitive justifications that people are allowed to erect unpermitted billboards in the city’s historic district if only it can be justified as “political speech”, this monstrosity is a public nuisance and a violation of zoning ordinances regarding signage. The agent of the property owner that is responsible for this regularly holds events for the hispanic community at this location, despite the fact that it is supposed to be a demolition site. The city has been rather tolerant, which is admirable, but that tolerance cannot be unending. At some point property owners have to fulfill their responsibility to the community to not turn their property into a nuisance, and this property is being actively made a nuisance at every opportunity, and in ways that responsible citizens could never imagine.
Perhaps this outrage inflicted on the residents of Manassas will soon end. It’s long overdue.
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..and he calls us racist? This guy will never be an American because he puts his loyalty to his race above loyalty to the United States of America. I wonder what would happen if I displayed the same sign with a few changes. I would hope that my family, friends and neighbors would disown me and tear it down. What happened to fairness and the rights of the whole versus the few? Well, not so few any more, it seems. It’s a shame that we can’t deny or revoke citizenship based on racism.
You really don’t like that sign.
Is that Puxatawney Phil?
Phil-no, I don’t. It seems that people like Mr. Fernandez learn very quickly how to play on our sympathies by crying “racism”. We need to wake up and see through thier lies and misdirections. I think that the current backlash against illegal aliens is proof that we have decided to do exactly that.
Johnson - Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed?
It’s only a sign.
Ducky-I wish it were “only a sign”. It’s a sign that the pendulum has swung way too far in the wrong direction. It may only be sign to some, but to me it’s an insult to America, PWC and our values.
C.C.-Apologies if I come off as slightly harsh. Perhaps I should switch to decaf…:-)
Mr. Fernandez is an American. Presumably, he believes that he is acting in civil disobedience by not abiding by the city’s zoning code but it appears the city has a process and apparently he will bear some consequences. Now, while you might not agree with his messages or his actions, calling into question his ‘Americanism’ is bizarre.
So, yeah, cutting back to decaf doesn’t seem like a bad idea.
Mr. Fernandez is NOT an american in my view. Americans put the country first instead of the race. Mr. Fernandez has consistently put himself and his race before the country…Stop calling the guy an “American”. Just because he lives here doesnt mean his is one.
I do call into question his “Americanism” so there….
I love that sign. Every time I see it, it reminds me of the tolerance we have for those who would tear this country down and establish a Balkanized federation based upon race. On the other hand, if someone erected a similar sign in a similar location that said something to the effect, “Herd up the Illegal Hordes of Wetbacks and their Anchor Babies and Drive them across the Potomac to Maryland - Keep em Rollin, Rollin, Rollin, Rollin,” you can bet your backside it wouldn’t last a day.
So people that hold an opposing view are un-American? So please clarify, what about George Bush, John McCain, Rudy Guiliani, Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson & a host of other presidential candidates are they also un-American?
Don’t apologize to CC Johnson. You are 100% correct to be angry. That sign is an insult to America and the tolerance that we have shown for the past 5 years as these people have invaded our cities, our counties and our country. If CC has a problem with blunt opinions then maybe he/she should surf elsewhere. Carry on.
Our American culture:
1. Loyal to only our country and flag (the U.S. and U.S. flag).
2. Speak English (this is what unites all of us no matter where we are from). This has been our common language from our country’s beginning.
3. Subscribe to the “melting pot” concept. This means that you do not place your country of origin/culture at a higher priority than the culture/ideas/traditions of America. This means that you get no special treatment or policies that favor one group of people over another. This means that all policies are for the good of all people (not a particular group of people based on race/ethnicity/culture, etc.).
Very well. If attempts at an intellectual dialogue are too challenging for you than go ahead - stick your fingers in your ears and repeat, ‘I can’t hear you.’ Very mature.
Trust me when I tell you that I can intellectually compete with anyone that I deem worthy. Your misuse of “than” in place of “then” is not helping to win me over. The point here is that we are right and you are wrong. There is nothing more to discuss.
As Anonymous 9:42 said in his/her post: I too would love to see the backlash against white people if there was a sign out there that replaced all instances of Hispanic in the current sign with Caucasian. This is not free speech. It is slapping the hand that feeds you, disrespecting your hosts that have accommodated your illegal behavior for the past five years and skirts the edge of conspiracy to incite a riot and/or create public unrest. A strong case could be made to support the latter if public officials had any chutzpah.
CC; you can’t debate with screaming emotional ideologs. You may get through if you scream more forcefully than they do. No guarantees though.
Patriot, I love helping with your lists:
4. Obey the law. Come in the front door through PROPER immigration channels. Waiting your turn is best for all citizens of the US.
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This bit about doing jobs Americans won’t do is BS. Americans get hungry enough, they will do ANY work to eat (Great Depression). This is just a way to justify something that really doesn’t exist if fair wages were paid. How do they feel about being slave labor for a pittance? I guess one thing at a time, today, let’s get legal, next we will go for regular wages.
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“From the melting pot of life in this free land all men and woman of all nations who come hither emerge as Americans and nothing else. They must have renounced completely and without reserve all allegiance to the land from which they or their forefathers came. And it is a binding duty on every citizen of this country in every important crisis to act solidly with all his fellow Americans, having regard only to the honor and interest of America, treating every other nation purely on its conduct in that crisis, without reference to his ancestral predilections or antipathies. If he does not act, he is false to the teachings and lives of Washington and Lincoln; he is not entitled to any part or lot in our country and he should be sent out of it.” - - (Theodore Roosevelt, “The Children of the Crucible” New York, Sept. 9, 1917)
People need to remember these types of things. We are not racists, we are Americans coming together in the interest of America.
All anyone needs to do is watch that Canoga Park, Ca. youtube video and you can see the kind of disdain that illegals show towards their hosts (US citizens). That video was disturbing and reminds me of Manassas Park. The rule of thumb seems to be that any city with a park in its name is more likely to have an illegal problem. How anyone can justify not cracking down on illegals after watching those videos is just mind-boggling to me.
It just goes to show what a trojan horse “cheap labor” really is.
Is it just me or is anyone else trying to figure out what Clemons book posts have to do with ILLEGAL aliens?
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park’d, I agree the mob mentality of those people is wrong. Why do those who entered the US ILLEGALLY, get to enjoy the rights of the country?
Johnson….you are absolutely correct. Fernandez si no better than his “La Raza” and MSF racist bretheren. He is NO American. He, his followers and CC can go to Maryland to set up their diversity fantasyland. He is playing the race card. DEMOLISH that stupid wall.
Does anyone here REALLY wonder why Doug Waldron has announced his decision not to continue as Mayor of Manassas?
Can you imagine waking up every morning having to deal with this crap at that level?
correction, “si” no, is “si”.
mike a,
He wouldn’t have to if the building code was enforced.
He wouldn’t have to if the rule of law was enforced.
He wouldn’t have to if the border was secured.
He wouldn’t have to if the people breaking the law were punished properly.
Patriot:
3. Subscribe to the “melting pot” concept. … This means that you get no special treatment or policies that favor one group of people over another. This means that all policies are for the good of all people (not a particular group of people based on race/ethnicity/culture, etc.).
Does etc. include sexual orientation? Civil unions? (marriage)
Societal advantages to those who choose to “partner” with persons of the opposite sex?
Compassionate Conservative said on 12 Dec 2007 at 9:06 am:
Mr. Fernandez is an American.
Is he a born American, a naturalized American by HIS choice or one who was given amnesty because he was in this country illegally and “lucked out.” Which one?
I feel Mayor Waldren’s pain. I was a resident of Manassas from 1990 to 2004. I still have family there. The changes proved too much when the marquee on Weems Elementary school went from english to spanish. The illegals ruined a nice little town and turned it into a circus. Now that they are fleeing thier houses (left trashed) and the sub prime loans they took out (with false I.D.), the city is left with hundreds of bank owned properties that require thousands of dollars of repairs. Let’s hope that the local young people will be able to buy these homes, invest some sweat equity and raise families.
Has anybody noticed the pattern?
-Allow illegals in to build huge Mcmansions for us to trade up to. (I saw no affordable housing go up in PWC in 14 years.)
-The same illegals buy the homes we traded up from with sub prime loans.
-The housing market takes a dump, we start pushing the illegals out, they abandon the homes and go elsewhere.
Who wins? Banks, Realtors, Builders, Mortgage Companies, illegal aliens. (They sent money home!) Remember, our economy is driven by mortgages!
Who loses? Neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, taxpayers!
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.”
On a larger scale, I am troubled that we are not more concerned with the defacing of our historic district. The placement of billboards and other signage should be, and probably is regulated. Regardless of the message, the sign is ugly and takes away from the historic beauty of the old town area. It seems to me that the city sat on it’s collective hands due to political sensitivities here. If Old Town Auto erected a sign of this size(I am not affiliated with that business in any way) advertising an oil change special, I am sure that action from the city would have been swift and costly.
CC, you don’t contribute anything meaningful to this site. I don’t mind your viewpoint being different than mine, but you seem to live only for stirring things up. Every post you leave is confrontational and condescending. Do us all a favor and find another blogsite to infest.
The point of this thread is that sign,
You disagree when they opine,
It’s a group you do not, want in your melting pot
Hence your violent urge to malign.
Rhyme Time said on 12 Dec 2007 at 12:22 pm:
The point of this thread is that sign,
Don’t give up your day job!
Rhyme Time, this is not your best work. May I suggest an alternative to your penned prose?
This sign is an attempt at charade,
The intent of the authors is to invade.
With no desire to melt,
La Raza’s arrogance has been felt.
Hence the devil, marching in our Christmas parade.
JFK-I Like it!!!
I apologize for incorrectly using ‘than’ instead of ‘then.’ But, trust me I see much worse offenses by people that post here which leads me to believe they are less educated than I. (BTW, that’s the correct use of than.)
Regardless, if you aren’t interested in having other points of view expressed then have a closed group or filter my comments out. Otherwise, I will practice my first amendment right to free speech and if you don’t like it or think it un-American too bad.
‘999 - ‘Is he a born American, a naturalized American by HIS choice or one who was given amnesty because he was in this country illegally and “lucked out.” Which one?’
Are you suggesting the ones that lucked out are ‘less’ American? Don’t you consider yourself lucky to have been born here? What about those that ‘lucked out’ but are now serving in the armed forces? Where do they rank in your American Citizenship Heirarchy plan, are they below or above you?
Gaudencio is spanish for “Gaudy Display”, so you see, he can’t help it
Again rhyme, you and others like you miss the entire focus of the discussion. It is not the fact they are Hispanic, it is the fact they are ILLEGAL!! When you and others like you see this and understand this concept, we can move forward to solving the issue at hand, but if we have to try to continually educate you to the fact we have no issue with Hispanics, just ILLEGAL aliens, we can not move forward. Get a grip and stop misdirecting!!
That is not the correct use of “than”! You also use commas in an incorrect manner. It seems that your level of education is as exaggerated as your arguments.
Anonymous said on 12 Dec 2007 at 1:55 pm
I give each poster a weight rating. If they seem to be able to make a sensible argument, even if it is not the same view as mine, they get a high weight. This menas I give their posts more credit. However, if they can’t seem to grasp the concept and continue to misdirect, I give them a lower weight. I liken it to if their head is in the clouds they get less weight because of weightlessness in outer space, where their comments seem to come from. This has served me well in situations such as blogs and discussion threads. Just some helpful information. (c:
CC…my definition of a true American is crystal clear. I posted it above. You either are or aren’t an American. Period. There is no gray area.
CC.
“I apologize for incorrectly using ‘than’ instead of ‘then.’ But, trust me I see much worse offenses by people that post here which leads me to believe they are less educated than I”
But that was not the correct use of the pronoun “I”. In the above sentence, the person mentioned after “than” is the object, not the subject, so the indirect pronoun “me” should have been used.
Better pick up a grammer book talking about how educated you are!
From the melting pot of life in this free land all men and woman of all nations who come hither emerge as Americans and nothing else. They must have renounced completely and without reserve all allegiance to the land from which they or their forefathers came. And it is a binding duty on every citizen of this country in every important crisis to act solidly with all his fellow Americans, having regard only to the honor and interest of America, treating every other nation purely on its conduct in that crisis, without reference to his ancestral predilections or antipathies. If he does not act, he is false to the teachings and lives of Washington and Lincoln; he is not entitled to any part or lot in our country and he should be sent out of it.” - - (Theodore Roosevelt, “The Children of the Crucible” New York, Sept. 9, 1917)
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/340771.html
Here is a new “defense” for attempted rape by an illegal - he did it so he would get deported back to Guatemala.
make that BEFORE talking about how educated you are.
JM–who IS educated, but a poor typist! LOL
“The government’s attitude at all levels is to punish the dutiful citizen’s misdemeanors while ignoring the alien’s felony, on the logic that the former will at least comply while the latter either cannot or will not.” (Victor Davis Hanson, “Mexifornia, Five Years Later.”)
medic
Your statement will carry more weight,
If you reprimand allies that hate.
Your “friends” often mention, the true source of their tension,
“Hispanics won’t assimilate!”
rhyme,
The problem again has NOTHING to do with HISPANICS, but the ILLEGALS here. They of course will not assimilate since they have not gone through the proper channels to be rewarded with the privilege of citizenship.
The majority of people I see here refer to them as ILLEGAL alien or immigrant. I have to ask again, why do the Hispanics think they have the market cornered on this? I say ILLEGALS for ALL that are here ILLEGALLY. It doesn’t matter what color their skin is or where they are from. I want them ALL to go back home and come through the front door where I will welcome my new brothers and sisters with open arms. But come in the back door, circumventing the process, do not expect me to be very hospitable. Remember, my wife, step son and daughter, were stuck in the Philippines for almost 4 months while the US dilly dallied around with immigration. I have personal experience with waiting for your turn. I have a low tolerance level for those that go around the rules to be here.
“We did not bring slaves, we did not kill indians…”
Ok, you (Mexicans) want to talk about something that happened hundreds of years ago?? Let’s take a look at YOUR history…
Franciscans confronted the remaining Aztec priesthood in Mexico and demanded, under threat of death, to cease human sacrifices.
“Huitzilopochtli was the tribal deity of the Mexica and, as such, he represented the character of the Mexica people and was often identified with the sun at the zenith, and with warfare.
“When the Aztecs sacrificed people to Huitzilopochtli the victim would be placed on a sacrificial stone. Then the priest would cut through the abdomen with an obsidian or flint blade. The heart would be torn out still beating and held towards the sky in honor to the Sun-God; the body would be carried away and either cremated or given to the warrior responsible for the capture of the victim.
“He would either cut the body in pieces and send them to important people as an offering, or use the pieces for ritual cannibalism. The warrior would thus ascend one step in the hierarchy of the Aztec social classes, a system that rewarded successful warriors.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture
For the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs reported that they sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days.
Wanna read about more Mexican history that this sign does not talk about? Check out:
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa12
Re Johnson’s 12 Dec 2007 at 11:57 am post:
You’ve correctly analyzed the big picture. You left out the logical end. The trashed neighborhoods will be put into the “Section 8″ pool, and slumlords will reap profits from the federal government. Eventually, Colgan’s contributors will profit from “urban renewal” and replacing the neighborhoods with more malls, shopping centers, office buildings, etc.
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 12 Dec 2007 at 2:29 pm:
“rhyme, The problem again has NOTHING to do with HISPANICS, but the ILLEGALS here.”
/\/\3|)iç 64: Don’t waste your time. “rhyme” and her ilk refuse to listen to facts or reason and will continue to spout falsehoods until people believe them. What’s the old saying, “Repeat a lie often enough and people will soon believe you”???
John Light:
I thought Jerry Springer was your fount of knowledge. You surprised me.
jfk at 12:36 pm:
Well crafted response, JFK
I understand all that you say,
According to Medic, your poem is heretic,
If they’re legal their culture’s okay.
“I liken it to if their head is in the clouds they get less weight because of weightlessness in outer space, where their comments seem to come from.”
Medic, what happens if their arguments are so dense that they never get off the ground…and I don’t mean weighty/pithy?
“But, trust me I see much worse offenses by people that post here which leads me to believe they are less educated than I”(am educated). ??
JL You are right. I shouldn’t waste my time trying to educate those who do not want to see the real problem, but only the race card issue they perceive it is. However, I also do not want the old adage you referenced to come to pass either.
IMHO, Hispanics that come here LEGALLY seem to assimilate just fine. I do not believe anyone is telling them they can not have their culture at all. I believe the message is it is fine to have your culture, just do not try to force feed it to others. When we start bending in the wind of immigration, we set ourselves up to fail as the stalk becomes bent more and more over time. I personally do not have an issue with any LEGAL immigrant no matter where they come from or the color of their skin. Once people remove the race card, the issue at hand is so simple, be in America LEGALLY and you have nothing to worry about.
rhyme, I am in hopes you see the light and realize I have no quarrel with those here LEGALLY. I feel most here on this blog and throughout the US are in the same boat as I am. If you can make a rhyme that doesn’t have a racial overtone in it I would be interested to read it.
Rhyme-You use the words “hate” and “violent(ce)”. Nobody else has. You do the math. Misdirect and lie. Don’t forget to threaten violence if nothing else works.
John Light-Thank you. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
jfk-good ones.
One more time, for all of the liars and misdirectors-it’s about illegal aliens, not race. Get past the race card and start thinking.
Rhyme time binds words with a twist.
To many she is an apologist.
She sees nothing wrong
with the illegal throng.
As long as her neigborhood is missed.
Anonymous poem penned by jfk.
atoo, those are the ones that have less weight so they float away. The density of their comment, whether pithy or not has nothing to do with it. It is the weight I give the poster.
It is aggravating that people hide behind the Anonymous handle. Be creative and make a handle so you can be addressed properly.
In response to the rant of john light,
If they’re legal, they’re fine. Am I right?
Aztec stories you spout, serve to end any doubt
It’s their culture you want out of sight.
Rhyme Time, let’s mix it up a little and try some Haiku. Limmericks are a little too easy.
Park’d, Anonymous, and JM…come on, let’s not start getting nitpicky here. I expect that EVERYONE on this blog has, at one time or another, butchered proper English (actually American) grammar as well as language. “Compassionate Conservative” has quite enough in his posts to rip apart without starting on that. Personally, I have a problem with his pseudonym because he strikes me as being the farthest thing from a conservative, but that happens to be his choice.
Johnson, That seems to be the M.O. If they an not get their way, violence is the answer. I saw a Youtube video posted as a link on another thread. The man with a cigarette looked really hateful and if he could get away with it, he would have seriously hurt the person with the camera. Now I do not agree with all of the tactics of some that are fighting the ILLEGAL issue. There are a few bad apples in every group. I do not think antagonizing people will solve the issue at all. This is whether it is a sign on Liberty street or a Home Depot in Canoga Park, CA. When you become confrontational you lower yourself to their level. This is why I try to stay above the fray and make sure my stand is understood in a non violent way.
I understand some have had to deal with this longer than we have and their patience may be thinner than ours is at this time. I am in hopes we do not get to that point.
As Medic has stated before,
They need to come in the front door.
Squatters rights just won’t fly,
Nor the liberal lie.
Lady Liberty is no one’s wh*re.
(Self-edited).
Again rhyme, you missed the entire purpose of the post. Americans have been blamed for killing Indians and bringing slaves here. Mexico is not the best country either.
If you have your own backyard clean, then complain about your neighbors, otherwise just keep your mouth shut about theirs.
GO JOHNSON…GO JOHNSON!!!!
The blog’s filled with limericks galore!
Words pithy, sublime, even “wh*re”!
Meter may be amiss,
But the comments are bliss.
They leave me chuckling for more…
I have never seen so much chest thumping about the amount of education some of you have in my entire life. It makes for some very interesting case studies on an otherwise gray afternoon.
I hardly think blogging on bvbl is a reliable test of one’s intellect or potential to be the next William Faulkner. BTW, CC is correct. And I know exactly the test anonymoustoo is applying.
Anonymoustoo, I guess they had to be there, back in the day. Wink wink.
Some of you seriously need to get over yourselves. LOL Good grief.
Does any one here know that the pictured sign was taken down weeks ago?
anonymoustoo.
Thanks for bringin’ up dem dar meters….
Shore wudden wanna INsult de intelligensia arund heer.
All kidding aside, where is Rhymin’ Simon?
Dolph, I’m forty years away from my English Comp class, but it’s one of the few tests I remember. (My grammatical errors could really keep someone busy. Access to the internet has made a slob of me. The answers are so close but I always found my McCrimmons (sp?) more comforting. Flip, flip, flip through the pages …)
Advocator said on 12 Dec 2007 at 2:47 pm:
John Light: “I thought Jerry Springer was your fount of knowledge. You surprised me.”
Sorry, I realize you are an expert on the former Mayor; however, I am not and unlike your ilk, do not follow his show. You may watch Oprah to see who she supports but personally, I find that an OBAMAnation.
Veteran,
Yes. But when has actuality ever mattered here? The new one is too low key and doesn’t bring about quite the frenzy that the old one does.
Oh and for the record, I think both are uglier than homemade sin and have no place in the historic district. However, City of Mansassas will have to sort all of that out. It has probably been good for the economy downtown. According to my relatives and almost relatives who can see it from their window, the amount of traffic to view the darn thing has been rather amazing.
Maybe the City secretly paid Old Man What’s his face to erect the sign…part of the downtown revitalization program. Conspiracy alert!
(sarcasm button now off)
Ah…Faulkner….stealing from Shakespeare…the sound and the fury….signifying nothing.
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
”Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing…”
Some good lines to remember. The Bard can claim them.
Rhyme Time said on 12 Dec 2007 at 3:08 pm:
I reply to the pathetic “Rhyme”
Who cannot understand the sublime.
You are so close-minded
That you are often short-sighted
And your support of illegals is a crime.
Yes there are many on here who shout,
So that there just cannot be any doubt.
That it’s “The Illegals Stupid” we mean,
Not racism, as Rhyme would make it seem,
So don’t let the door hit you on your way out.
Racist calling
Hate-filled
Yucky limericks
Moronic rhymes
Exploiting
Tiresome
Indigent
Mediocre
Endless drivel
My daughter’s class had a discussion this week about immigration…and whether the anger was directed at just illegals or all hispanics or all immigrants.
The class came to the conclusion that it wasn’t hispanics because no kid in the class thought their family’s would care if Eva Longoria moved in next door, but rather the discomfort was with anyone associated with not speaking english, and more importantly, not wanting or caring about learning english. In other words, someone who has been here for 3+ years, legal or illegal, and they refuse to learn or attempt to learn English. In other words, non assimilation.
It seems that America has a big heart for people who want to be Americans in every sense of the word, but they do not tolerate those who take advantage of America’s benefits without acknowledging the whole melting pot idea…which means you actually have to melt!
“no kid in the class thought their family’s would care if Eva Longoria moved in next door”
I wouldn’t care either!!!!! WOOHOO! HUBBA HUBBA!
veteran, The caption under the picture states it is the original sign.
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Anon
That has been my sentiment. You have to melt into the pot which brings your ingredients (culture) to the mix. Like a stew, your ingredient shouldn’t overpower the others, but compliment them. Once people understand this concept, we will not need HSM anymore. I hope this becomes the case. I do not understand why one’s ingredients require such a higher melting temperature, unless it is because they do not wish to compliment the stew, but take it over.
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es_la_ley, I would, too much attention to the neighborhood!!! Imagine trying to get to your house with the paparazzi out front camping on your lawn and sidewalk. (c;
John Light : “What’s the old saying, “Repeat a lie often enough and people will soon believe you”???”
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda
Nazi Germany
Medic : “Imagine trying to get to your house with the paparazzi out front camping on your lawn and sidewalk. (c;
Yea, you’re right. But if it was Salma Hayek I’d be camping too (and charging the paparazzi rent!).
Thanks for replying, John Light,
With meter that’s not very tight,
Your bluster’s revealing, you’re most unappealing,
As for me? Old JB got it right!
I’m just an old truth teller
I’m your candid friend
I’m not some daydream seller I do not pretend
I’ve a sense of survival, And screwing my rivals
That’s labeled me crass and uncouth
But I can’t help it I just tell the truth
— Jimmy Buffett
rhyme, IF and I repeat IF you told the truth, then you could use ole JB’s line, but you are not in the truth business, you are in the misdirection and distortion business. Playing the race card every chance you get.
You are not as candid as you think, you are just here to spout and spread the disillusion of what you say is true.
We are not here to distort the feelings we have toward the immigrants that came through the front door, but a feeling of privilege that the ILLEGALS seem to think they have has many ready to put them down.
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We are in a domestic war and our enemy knows we are distracted by other things. They use our political correctness against us, knowing which buttons to push for the proper response. They kick the lying dog and he has awaken to bite them. They complain that because they kicked him and he has bitten them, it is now the fault of the owner of the dog that it happened. Wrong, they are to blame for this action.
We need to look to the future and imagine if this goes unchecked, we will be fully invaded without anyway to overcome it. We have to get people in DC that will look to this future and prevent what many see it will become. This invasion has to be stopped before there are too many here that can be contained. Secure the borders, enforce the laws and remove all criminals from jail escorting them across the border and dropping them off. This will help relieve some of the overcrowding we have.
One gate in every border state should suffice. The fence needs to be an undisclosed depth. The deeper the better. Technology has to be implemented which can detect seismic activity around the fence. This prevents tunnels. A 100 dollar reward for every ILLEGAL alien brought to the gate. Once they are across the border, the reward is paid. This will help speed up the removal.
I like how everyone ignores the Dolph. It has the ability to suck the life out of the blog with it’s insipient and nasty comments. I guess we just think we are well educated; the Dolph KNOWS that it is well educated.
anonymoustoo - put down the crack pipe. You are speaking gibberish and no one understands you. Maybe the superintelligent Dolph could translate your message into a system of clicks and grunts that we Neanderthals can understand.
…lying dog… Medic said it,
he told the truth, I’ll give him credit,
To him, I think, it doth not apply,
But it’s perfect words for this John Light guy!
the dog was laying on the porch rhyme. Again you have distorted the meaning and twisted it. That just proves my point.
rhyme, You remind me of my youngest daughter. She is 18, hears only what she wants to hear and twists it to her benefit. Of course I am trying my best to break her of this habit since it will serve her no useful purpose in the real world. It does, however, serve her fantasy land as I call it. You seem to be in the same boat as she is, the USS hear what you want.
AWCheney said on 12 Dec 2007 at 3:13 pm:
GB 43 Called himself a compassionate conservative if you recall. Look what we got today!
Hey, what happened to the Rishell for delegate signs that were in the yard?
Medic
It may keep out the chico-filled trucks,
and some brown-skinned, “No Habla” young bucks
but though hugely expensive it won’t be so extensive
as to fence out the Northern canucks
Ah jfk, you must have been one of the chest thumpers. Oddly enough, I have probably never mentioned my educational level on this blog, nor have I ever described myself as ’superintelligent.’ I figure if I had to tell you I was smart, it probably would mean I am not.
Furthermore, it really doesn’t matter if I am smart, educated, or dumb as a post, now does it?
Sorry you all were offended. The self·-aggrandizement was just getting amusing.
And that’s Ms. Dolph btw.
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Just checking in, amigos. I must say that much of this board at times does reflect an underlying racism and hostility to the Spanish culture. If you look into yourselves, and really look, you will admit you are scared of Spanish culture and change.
Who has the GUTS to admit that you are terrified that WASPs wil not always be the majority of the U.S.??
Own up, people!
Viva la raza en los estados unidos y god bless americans! (legal or not)
I totally agree, I want some of what anonymoustoo is smoking!!
hey, unmasmexican crawled out of his boarding house to join us again!
if anyone is racist it’s you…preaching “la raza” and “reconquista” etc..
If I’m terrified of anything it’s that illegals will trash my country.
UnMasMexican : “you will admit you are scared of Spanish culture…”
Scared? Not at all. I have several buddies that are from Spain. Really cool folks.
Welcome back.
And you, UnMasMexican…do YOU have the guts to admit that you are green with jealousy that you are not? The only terror that exists here amongst us legal residents (white, black, brown, yellow, etc.) is that we will find ourselves living in an east coast version of an East LA barrio. That particular fear is particularly galling for those of us who have lived here in PWC for most of our lives.
And YOU, jfk…your comment at 5:36 pm was irredeemably rude and totally uncalled for! Dolph has been no more condescending than the rest of us on this blog, on both sides of the issue, at one time or another…and probably far less than most! Your remark, however, puts you in a whole new category that only recently reared its ugly head on another thread. I doubt that you will even have the good grace to apologize to the lady (Dolph) as the previous individual at least did to his victim.
Coming into this blog at this point is like entering a bar at closing time. The only think sucked out of this thread is logic.
Whew!!!
I thought Dolphs were intelligent beings
I am certain that if any of YOU erected a sign against illegal immigration, you would defend it to the tilt under first amendment rights. Does the owner of this property, a respected citizen, not enjoy those same rights?
And for the last time, “viva la raza” is not against any race but an expression of my pride in my Latino heritage….as well as of being a resident of the United States!
Viva la raza en los estados unidos!
UnMasMexican,
I do not argue the right to erect the sign, I argue the wisdom of erecting it.
There are all sorts of things I have a right to do that probably would be fairly stupid on my part to do because it would cause bad feelings amongst my friends and neighbors.
For instance, I could paint my house bright pink. No HOA so nothing would stop me other than having good taste and a strong desire not to totally piss my neighbors off.
but you’re forgetting one thing, UMM…it would be legal citizens defending to the “tilt” (six) their right to free speech in opposing those who knowingly and willfully ignored and violated the rule of law.
…and as far as pride for your Latino heritage is concerned, I don’t see you having much pride in your heritage at all….afterall, you left those of your heritage to fend for themselves instead of helping them build a decent life in their home country? Pride in your Latino heritage?? It kinda looks to me like you’ve abandoned your heritage in hopes of finding something better, huh?
Point of order… Isn’t the above picture a picture of the old sign? I thought it had been replaced with a new sign (and less offensive words)?
Much of the discussion about this sign is moot because the new sign says nothing about illegal immigration.
good grief unmasmexican!
AWCheney said on 12 Dec 2007 at 7:34 pm:
“And YOU, jfk…your comment at 5:36 pm was irredeemably rude and totally uncalled for! Dolph has been no more condescending than the rest of us on this blog, on both sides of the issue, at one time or another…and probably far less than most! Your remark, however, puts you in a whole new category that only recently reared its ugly head on another thread. I doubt that you will even have the good grace to apologize to the lady (Dolph) as the previous individual at least did to his victim.”
I neither seek nor am in need of redemption. The Dolph’s sex is irrelevant to me. She came onto the post and immediately began to degrade what had been a lively conversation up to that point. As to the other thread, I have no clue what you are referring to. As for an apology, she can go first.
You know this whole “Stop your racisim to Hispanics” and “pride in my Latino heritage” concept really causes me to try over and over to educate all of you who advocate and make your political, social, ethical, and moral decisions by race, gender, religion and ethic group. You need desperately to understand how so very WRONG you are about the basic principles deeply embedded in America on the concept of individual human rights philosophy.
These statements show how ignorant all of you are who think of yourselves and your rights only from an ethnic point of view and you have a deep ignorance about individual civil rights which is the cornerstone of our society.
This is why your own societies are in shambles, poor, in conflict, and at war with your neighbors.
I just have to repost this again, its the best way I can say it.
It might be nice to have our “international shoes” all be measured using the same “ruler”, but have some room for different color, size and a left and right foot, while frowning on shoes designed for BOZO the Clown, as being just too radical for the society to deal with.
Even kids know that it is best to all be the same (homogenous, slang speaking kid society), while still being a LITTLE bit different (blue hair or red hair). But, when you are a LOT different, and ask for special social, financial, educational, and language priviliges consistant with the Aliens of STAR WARS or the Underworld, you are one of those nutcases from a different PLANET.
When you advocate only for your own ethnic pride and you self-segregate that pride to only those of your own color, race, creed, religion, gender or ethnic group, you show no concept of individual rights of all humans to be the same. You insult all others not of your race, you discrimminate and claim supremacy based on your race and ethnic group, and you claim privilige that only your ethnic group is worth “pride in heritage” as being something more noble than others. In adition you intentionally isolate yourself from all others in society not part of your circle of “pride”. This breeds hatred and contempt for others that do not share your ethnic virtues, background, and arrogant pride.
You are the ones who want some advantage over others. You are the ones who scream you are being discrimminated against by others you define as racists not by individual rights, but by some negative “group” association not belonging to your culture, race, religion, gender or ethnic group.
You want to promote only pride in your diversity, so you remain seperate and apart, but can still claim equal outcomes while you hold your own ethnic groups as being special above all others. You want to use that ethnic difference called “diversity” to get what you want. This is a concept the nation “banned” as a White Supremist concept and now you are trying to bring it back with your ethnic pride and racially screamed hatred of all others not of your ethnic group.
The problem with diversity is that it only benefits minorities, and only those minorities that can have privilige written into law.
It is in no way equitable, in no way respects the individual, and in no way recognizes and honors skill, talent, abiliy and IQ.
When civil rights movements started they started from a position of racial diversity and racial privilige. They targeted majorities who were suppressing minorities by writing different laws and priviliges based on what race you belonged to.
The movement correctly sensitized people of all races to the wrongness of this, but forgot to tell people how to recognize when the minorities themselves could become privilige seeking racists based on what ethnic group they belonged to.
They never stopped at equality, which is best defined as equal rights to individuals, equal opportunity to individuals, but not equal outcomes for ethnic groups.
Diversity tries to get equal outcomes for different ethnic groups, by giving priviliges and advantages to overcome those who have talent, skill, ability and IQ as individuals regardless of ethnic group or race, gender or religion.
Diversity does not believe in equality that denies both privilige and discrimmination, but only believes in an inequality that denys discrimmination of minorities, gives privilige for minorities, encourages discrimmination of majorities (even verbal abuse and racial slurs), and discourages priviliges for individuals based on ability, skill, intellect and IQ.
That is why the nation needs to speak out and remove this inequitable concept of diversity and inclusion, and start insisting on neither privilege nor discrimmination, and no advocating by gender, ethnic group, religious group or race and start enforcing the rights of individuals ONLY as individuals.
It should become a crime towards individual rights to advocate as a racial, ethnic, gender or religious group
Unmasmexican– just to be accurate, your heritage is not Spanish, it’s mezoamerican, aztec, mestizo, etc. Spaniards are not coming here illegally, breaking laws and creating havoc. People from Central America and Mexico are.
Not to worry jfk…I’m sure Dolph understands, as I do, that there are usually jerks on every side of an issue.
AWC,
Thanks, and you are absolutely correct.
~~Dolph~~
I’ll call myself what I wish, Monticup, thanks…the gringo nomenclature doesn’t phase me….
UnMasMexican said on 12 Dec 2007 at 7:51 pm:
“…And for the last time, “viva la raza” is not against any race but an expression of my pride in my Latino heritage….as well as of being a resident of the United States!”
And FOR THE LAST TIME, UnMas…WE ARE AGAINST ILLEGALS. The way you defend them I SERIOUSLY have to question whether or not you are here legally. You pathetic waste, swim back to “beautiful” 3rd world, don’t drink the water Mexico where the government is corrupt and the police are worse.
Since UnMas says that the “gringo nomenclature doesn’t phase her” then I guess the “beaner” nomenclature does nto phase us as well.
make that, “not”
Rhyme Time, you want to quote music??? Ok, here is but a snippet…
Liar, liar, pants on fire
Liar, liar, stop your soul from catching
Fire, fire, god and maker
Liar, liar, pants on fire
- The Used
Off topic, another one of these “hard working” immigrants too another life:
LAUREL, Md. — Police have arrested a suspect in connection with a fatal hit-and-run crash that happened last month in Laurel, Md., News4’sMiguel Almaguer reported.
Police on Wednesday said Rodolfo Ramirez, a Latin American native who has been living illegally in the U.S. for nine years, confessed to the fatal hit-and-run that killed a woman in Laurel.
The woman was walking in the 100 block of 7th Street on Nov. 25 when she was struck. She was not walking on the sidewalk, and it was dark and rainy at the time, police said.
Officials said if Ramirez had stayed at the scene, he may not have been charged due to the circumstances.
He had a Maryland driver’s license, insurance and car registration.
When questioned by police, however, officers said Ramirez lied, and they learned of his immigration status.
Ramirez now faces several charges, including manslaughter and lying to police. If convicted, he will serve time in Maryland prison and then be deported.
What Michael said is true. I certainly hope that UNMas and others read it and understand it. It coincides with what I wrote nicely. That is what being an American is all about. Policies should be made for the good of all people (not for the good of a select group of people).
I just thought it was funny that someone (compassionate *cough*conservative) who tells us that we don’t want to engage in intellectual conversation because we refuse to compromise on illegal immigration enforcement doesn’t understand the difference between the words “than” and “then”. It wasn’t chest thumping. Kinda hard to engage in “intellectual” conversation with someone who is underhandedly calling the rest of us non-intellectuals because we believe in 100% enforcement of America’s laws and then this same person who is by default calling themselves an intellectual doesn’t know the difference between “than” and “then”. You guys TOTALLY missed the entire point of my response if you assumed it was intellectual chest thumping….
http://infowars.com/articles/immigration/mexican_flag_hung_over_us_flag_radio_tower.htm
Another “flag” incident. These people never stop do they?
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/salvation_army_sued_by_two_emp.php
More nonsense! I think a business has every right to demand English in carrying out its operations!
AWC, thanks for your understanding. Now get over yourself.
Try and come up with a contribution on the subject once in a while, instead of just about the commentors. You and your buddy have the same problem.
Whoa….. this is not exactly the lively exchange as promised by the Blog-Meister. Separate thread necessary for you two to throw insults at the whole world? Then if we choose to read it we can.
D&C, you seem to be living up to your handle. I am not insulting the whole world. I was participating yesterday in a lively conversation when I stared getting attacked. To sum it up, I am a chest thumping unintelligent person, and a jerk.
It’s interesting how my subject matter and question aren’t addressed and the main concern has become my grammar. Perhaps dissecting my sentence structure is easier than discussing the thread topic. Additionally, the assumption that I don’t know the difference between ‘then’ & ‘than’ is incorrect. I know the difference and made a mistake.
But to get back to the topic at hand, Mr. Fernandez has displayed courage & fortitude. These are excellent qualities in an American.
Well said park’d.
UnMas -
Being a “resident” and being a “citizen” are two completely different things. Which are you?
Those who became “citizens” through amnesty should have an asterik next to their names. Yes, they did luck out. No, they didn’t work hard to become a citizen of the great US of A.
When they take the test, which should be required of ANYONE given anmesty in this country (maybe 3 years down the line, so they can learn English, etc), if they cannot pass, back you go. If they pass, the asterick is removed.
Maybe everyone, including guest workers, etc., should be required to take the test. Just in case they decide to skip going back when they’re supposed to.
It seems this happens alot.
If you need an interpreter in this country, you pay for
them up front.
Maybe I should run for President…….
Regarding the last sentance of your @ 9:22 post — well said jfk.
UnMas, Again, you turn this into a racial thing. This gets old real quick, it isn’t about race or color once that point is understood, the faster the situation will get better. This is about ILLEGAL aliens period!!!
An ILLEGAL alien to me is ANYONE that has overstayed their visa or entered the country ILLEGALLY!! No where do I state Hispanics. I have not seen most of the people that post here be specific about which group they are referring to when they speak about ILLEGAL aliens.
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rhyme, No the fence may not keep the canucks out, but there are far less of them than Hispanics. I do not hear many reports of drug trafficking from the north either. I am not saying our friends to the north get a pass. I want a fence around ALL of the US including the Alaskan border. We need to regroup at home and worry about ourselves.
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Once we secure the borders, enforce the existing laws and quit bending to the political correctness crowd the sooner the US will be at her previous glory. I have no problem welcoming my new brother and sister citizens that came through the front door. I do not give a rat’s a$$ where they came from!!! However, force feeding your culture down my throat instead of melting into the American culture, will be met with a great deal of resistence!!!! So, unmasked, take your heritage and mix it in with mine and we will get along just fine. If you can not do that, then I personally do not have any use for you.
This is real easy aliens, ASSIMILATE!
jfk,
Why are you personalizing a general statement? Was anything I said directed at you?
I certainly did not attack you or anyone else. Yes, I did make the comment about chest thumping because that was my perception of what was going on.
What I did see was bullying. In fact, I was ready to agree with you about your comments about the sign until you added your second paragraph, telling CC to go ‘infest’ another blog site.
Later you decided to vent your spleen on me, following that up with a few snipes at AWC and Dazed and Confused. Swiping at AWC, btw, is probably a real good way to get your hind quarters handed to you in little bitty pieces.
You have chosen to attribute those words to yourself. If you feel you have in any way been maligned by me, feel free to report me to the blog-meister. Otherwise, get over the pity-party and lets move on to something less ego-centric.
Ms. Dolph
Dolph, I like the splash better (c; I understand it would be a big wave when your feathers have been ruffled though
Game on…. surf’s up. Now that’s a mixed expression.
Dolph, I agree that we should move on, since this entire string has moved too far off message.
Thanks D&C. I appreciate your message. But shouldn’t you get back in line before they run out of methadone at the clinic?
Your word, dear, not mine.
You just can’t control yourself can you honey, maybe pre-k would have helped.
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) ,
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I don’t know a fancy way to do feather ruffled splashes. Ahem, since when do dolphs have feathers? (dorsal fins on hips!)
All kidding aside….my feathers are fine. Perhaps I should become BlueJay if they get ruffled.
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Madmom– I concur. What amazes me is that the illegals malign the country they keep sneaking into. They hate the US but they want to be here. Huh?
Is The Billboard Coming Down?
That is the original question; I have been thinking about that!
It is my opinion that it will not come down by any efforts of the current city council, especially under the direction of Mayor Waldron.
Doug started out his time as Mayor with a drive to address the presence of overcrowding issues, was sued on a personal level as a result, and anything that has happened since was as a direct result of a citizen uprise. He has been very, very careful to keep himself out of the line of fire on any issues related to illegal alien presence, as well as the home overcrowding issues ever since.
I wish Doug the very best in his future. I only wish he had been able to be more effective during his time in office.
He has not been a bad Mayor, just an untimely one. The same may be said for the city council entirely.
I do not have much faith the next one will be able to do any better, or even as well!
It won’t come down voluntarily. It will have to go to court and more tax dollars spent on something that should have been removed when the rest of the debris was. The house has been improved on to support this new sign. That is against the law. What would have happened to me if I was to add on a wall to my house that held a message for ILLEGAL aliens to leave? Mind you, I did not secure the proper permits to do this. I would be told it had to come down immediately totally ignoring the fact I have a right to have it there as free speech.
Un Mas Mexican….you’re DAMN right if we erected an anti-ILLEGAL ALIEN sign we would defend it. Its the lawbreaking ILLEGAL ALIENS that need to go back to their places of origin. They divide this country. They have NO rights . They complain, cry, and bellyache and want freebies.They trash our neighborhoods, steal ID’s and lie, lie, lie. Well, I say get the hell out of my country and go back to yours and make it better, if you have the guts and courage.
Michael-well said.
UMM-go back to Mexico. We don’t want your racism or your hate.
Of course the sign should come down. The illegal aliens should leave the U.S. I’m sick of criminals feeding off of our kindness, generosity and justice.
If Mr. Horn is punished for this then all of our Politicians that refuse to abide by Article IV section IV of our Constitution against Invasion and fail to enforce our Immigration laws should be punished as well. When this country is experiencing the greatest invasion in world history and our politicians not only refuse to protect the Nation from this invasion but in fact aid, abet and encourage this invasion then they are guilty as well. Houston is an sanctuary city. If the Politicians had obey our Constitution and laws the two illegal aliens would not have been in this country to prey on American citizens and Mr. Horn would not have been forced to chose what action to take. When politician start picking and choosing which parts of our Constitution and Laws they enforce then they are openly encouraging lawless. Illegal Aliens every year kill more American citizens than are killed by terrorist in the last 10 years combined, while raping, and robbing tens of thousands more. Both parties have contributed to this slaughter of our citizens and the impact of millions of uneducated peons and criminals pouring across our open borders. They are destroying our health care system, our schools, our judicial system, our environment, welfare system. adding to energy use, pollution, water use and driving our standard of living down. While driving up our taxes, insurance rates, welfare cost and tax receipts down.
Mexican and Latin American citizens have for hundreds of years lived in a society where corruption, crime, poverty, misery, anti-education and hate for American and the rule law of law is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same values across the border with them? If government refuses to protect its citizens and abide by its own laws and Constitution can citizens be blamed for taking the law into their hands?
Bl-Vote, vote, vote! Our government is sitting up and listening to our concerns about illegal aliens. The local elections in Herndon and PWC got thier attention. The next national elections will most certainly hinge on this issue. I’m very encouraged by the reaction of our elected officials, even if it was negative. (Bush’s petulence, Pelosi and Kennedy’s whining). I’m 46 and this is the first time I’ve seen the President and Congress really backtrack on something (Immigration “Reform”) that they would otherwise just ramrod through. The last time I saw this many Americans react as such, Nixon pulled out of Viet Nam from the pressure. Keep it up, people! Be loud and consistant! I’ve been around the world several times. In most places I’ve been, the two most common opinions of the U.S. are:
1. Disdain to utter hatred
2. A sincere desire to live here.
I wonder why that is?
Madmom, don’t you think that all of us who had the good luck to be popped out by our moms on US soil are the lucky ones who should wear the asterisk? We did nothing except draw our first breaths and cry in US territory….no talent, no perseverance, no long wait - nada, but the luck of the draw.
Mike a, how much of the City’s money would you like to see the Mayor and Council waste on the indefensible? It’s a good thing, at least fiscally, that they backed off. The problems of overcrowding will probably have to be addressed through a code change at the state level.
As for the sign, the Council may again have to decide if it wants to spend bucks pursuing its removal. I’m not sure what would happen if Mr. Fernandez brings in an engineering report saying that it (the sign) is structurally sound.
anontoo, I am for the hospitals petitioning the parents country of origin for a birth certificate. No more auto citizenship just because you drew your first breath here. Oklahoma is trying to enact this and I will support it if it comes to VA.
Medic, I don’t think it will matter whether Virginia follows Oklahoma’s lead since it’s a federal issue. If Oklahoma wants to waste its taxpayers’ money trying to write federal policy, I guess Oklahomans will be the poorer for it.
I believe that there is legislation pending in Congress to address the 14th amendment issue. Passage would remove one more reason for illegals to come.
anontoo, I see it as taking charge. If the federal gov’t isn’t going to do something, the states will. When this happens you will have a hodge podge of laws. After a while the feds will step up and do something. Until then, I am all for making sure we preserve the American way of life. Those who are here ILLEGALLY have no say in anything. Once the politically correctness has been tossed, we will be able to step up deportation. As I said, I will support the law if it comes to VA. One less reason for ILLEGALS to be here.
I’m not convinced that there’s an “American way of life”. I was born in New York in a region with an ethnically diverse population. I lived briefly on the outskirts of a large Midwestern city and I then spent my school years in the segregrated deep South. These were different cultures. My parents were the first college graduates in working class families. They were also the only family members of their generation to leave New York although my cousins now live all over. My extended family includes nephews whose grandparents are Spanish and German and a niece whose father is African-American. At this point I guess you could say our family’s culture is Northern Virginian with its mixture of small cities, DC, shopping malls, and traffic. Now, TRAFFIC is probably our common culture!
My husband’s family is Californian and military with the older generation being much more conservative than the younger one which included a medic from the Vietnam War.
I like the diversity of this era. If I had to look forward to only watery instant mashed potatoes and salty ham as Sunday dinner at the Elk’s lodge in small town America, I’d rather starve. Do you know that my town didn’t even have a pizza joint when I was young? How un-American is that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_history_of_the_United_States
American way of life=RULE OF LAW!!
anonymoustoo said on 13 Dec 2007 at 4:00 pm:
Medic, I don’t think it will matter whether Virginia follows Oklahoma’s lead since it’s a federal issue. If Oklahoma wants to waste its taxpayers’ money trying to write federal policy, I guess Oklahomans will be the poorer for it.
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Don’t forget the cost of food stamps, ‘emergency’ medical care, education, section 8, …that we taxpayers provide to those that are not ENTITLED!!!
I’m fed up with those that deny the fact that we do have a culture here in America!!! And, it ain’t traffic!!
TDB said on 13 Dec 2007 at 4:47 pm:
anonymoustoo said on 13 Dec 2007 at 4:00 pm:
Medic, I don’t think it will matter whether Virginia follows Oklahoma’s lead since it’s a federal issue. If Oklahoma wants to waste its taxpayers’ money trying to write federal policy, I guess Oklahomans will be the poorer for it.
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Don’t forget the cost of food stamps, ‘emergency’ medical care, education, section 8, …that we taxpayers provide to those that are not ENTITLED!!!
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Loss of tax revenue from cash under the table.
IMHO, the American way of life is obeying the law, melting into the pot and ASSIMILATING to your surroundings. There isn’t any one special culture, it is a matter of rule of law. Those who break it, do not deserve anything from those who obey it.
“Don’t forget the cost of food stamps, ‘emergency’ medical care, education, section 8, …that we taxpayers provide to those that are not ENTITLED!!!”
Those are items that the federal government decides that a person is entitled to (medical care, schooling) or not (food stamps, section 8…although a undocumented immigrant’s US-born child may be entitled to these food stamps). Virginia and Oklahoma may decide otherwise and be sued. If you like wasting tax dollars on stupid cases, that may be fine for you but I don’t want to see my dollars wasted in this economy.
So…what is American culture?? Chain stores that make every little town off an interstate highway look exactly alike? NASCAR (puke! although I do own a black and white checkered pair of hoop earrings and a matching French plastic bracelet) Barbeque…start a fight with that one! Fearmongering…that’s a good one that can be pulled out near any election. Speaking English? Which dialect (and think of the cultural differences that go with the dialectics)? Conserving our environment for the kiddos and grandkids or paving everything in sight? Hunter or PETA member? Vegan or Logan’s fan? There are some big differences here! Union member or Right to Work supporter?
Medic,
“Loss of tax revenue from cash under the table.”
Before the Hispanic population in this area was very large, most white guys that I asked for estimates for work (roofing, plumbing, carpentry) wanted to be paid in cash. And you know what that means. Not many wanted to sign a written contract and take a check.
anoymoustoo,
“most white guys” sounds a bit racist to me, that and the fact that you have to backtrack to “before the hispanic population was large” . You’ve just said in your statement that not only were whites dishonest, but so were the hispanic population after the fact.
if your trying to defend the hispanic population you are a mighty poor advocate. I hope they are not paying you because they are getting ripped off if they are.
Nope, Josh, Medic implied that Hispanics (somehow on this blog all undocumented immigrants end up as Hispanics) were being paid under the table. I just let him know that the guys from whom we’d solicited estimates in the past were all white. I had chosen tradesmen by using my phonebook so I didn’t know their race or ethnicity before they arrived at my door. The majority wanted to work off the books. To make it sound as if only Hispanics (who are relatively new to the area in large numbers) were not contributing their fair share in taxes is wrong. Working for cash is/was fairly common.
Josh: You told Number Two,
if your trying to defend the hispanic population you are a mighty poor advocate. I hope they are not paying you because they are getting ripped off if they are.
They are already get ripped off by Nancy and her boyz(Ricky and Johnny S). I hope they get ripped off by all of their “advocates”, less money to send south of the border.
Nah, Witch, I’m just pointing out that white guys are guilty of the same thing you’re accusing Hispanics of doing (without any proof, BTW)…working off the books. I have to laugh when your cohorts try to become advocates for the same people you’re slamming by saying that they’re poorly paid. I bet you’re the same group that howls if someone mentions raising the minimum wage or creating a union shop.
Anonymoustoo,
I had one of those worthless white guys doing over a bathroom this summer. I was out 4k, had to hire another legitimate firm to fix all the mess, and endure the inconvenience. It was definitely a cash situation.
No Josh, all white men aren’t trash and I think you know that isn’t what was being said. However, cash jobs aren’t limited to hispanics.
Some wonderful white guys rescued me and I even gave them a check.
atoo: Why limit the “working under the table” comment to the “white guys” and the hispanics. Women also, do this babysitting and house cleaning first come to mind. Why leave them out of the mix? You aren’t singling out just the white and hispanic males are you?
BTW-I am way to INDEPENDENT to have cohorts.
P.S. I don’t mind a raise in the minimum wage or union shops.
Anontwo– Most illegal aliens ARE Hispanic. Why? Because they can walk across the border in a way Europeans, Africans and Asians can’t. There is nothing racist in stating a fact.
Europeans, Africans, and Asians can and do overstay their visas. That makes them just as illegal as someone who walks or drives across our borders. In many respects, they are far more dangerous to our society.
Anonymoustoo can complain, gripe and vilify American culture till the cows come home … pooh-pooh the culture from top to bottom; the high to low, pop to heritage, seedy to sublime … make it all out to be as yucky, vapid and repulsive as she likes … but strange as it may seem, vast numbers, by hook or by crook, are flooding into the U.S.A. For a better life and the American dream … or so we are told.
And I would bet my last American green back dollar on her screaming bloody murder if she were forcibly exiled to the third world.
Nobody can force me to attend an NFL game, a Nascar rally or a Shakira concert. Nobody can force me to join PETA or go duck hunting. I have a multitude of options If strip mall shopping is not my thing. I am free to vote as I choose, at the ballot box, with my feet or with my wallet. Free to join any house of worship that will have me. Free to stay home and proclaim my cat supreme overlord and protector of my universe … and wait faithfully as he overcomes that opposable thumb vs can opener thing.
madmom said on 13 Dec 2007 at 9:28 am:
“UnMas - Being a “resident” and being a “citizen” are two completely different things.”
Actually, you need to take it one step further….just because someone acquires “citizen” status does NOT mean that they are true Americans! The true American will subscribe to the criteria I presented many posts above.
This is because anonymoustoo needs a refresher course:
Our American culture:
1. Loyal to only our country and flag (the U.S. and U.S. flag).
2. Speak English (this is what unites all of us no matter where we are from). This has been our common language from our country’s beginning.
3. Subscribe to the “melting pot” concept. This means that you do not place your country of origin/culture at a higher priority than the culture/ideas/traditions of America. This means that you get no special treatment or policies that favor one group of people over another. This means that all policies are for the good of all people (not a particular group of people based on race/ethnicity/culture, etc.).
This is a direct quote from the National Council of La Raza (as you can see it violates item 3 in my list above). The issues they mention would apply to all people in America not just “latinos” (there is no reason to have a “latino” perspective with regard to these global issues that affect all Americans).
“To achieve its mission, NCLR conducts applied research, policy analysis, and advocacy, providing a Latino perspective in five key areas – assets/investments, civil rights/immigration, education, employment and economic status, and health.”
Mom! Are you posting on this blog as Bridget?!
(I mean my mother not BVBL’s “Mom”.)
The beauty of American culture is that we have so many choices, and we are OK with it. That’s what makes us unique.
If anyone doubts that we are bonded together, think back to the days immediately after 9/11. All those superficial things fell to the wayside, and the unity of our nation really shined.
anontoo, Again the Hispanics seem to think they have the market cornered on the ILLEGAL front. I do not specify Hispanic when I say ILLEGAL alien. Granted there are far more Hispanics here ILLEGALLY than most other countries due to ease of access.
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Patriot, That mission statement looks like it is against the American culture. No wonder they are not accepted, they want to be superior to everyone else.
jfk, Unfortunately if we do not stem the tide of the invasion, we will have to endure additional problems. The ILLEGAL aliens are doing it the right way, invading little by little, blending in with everyone and seeking to use our generosity to make themselves LEGAL.
Saying that Hispanics are ILLEGAL aliens is like going to the south side of Chicago and saying most of the residents are black. It all boils down to numbers. Hispanics are a large number of ILLEGAL aliens, but they are not the ONLY ONES!!!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=209190
As you can clearly see in this article…..these elected officials are not voting for the good of all Americans….they are pandering to a group of people based on ethnicity.
Dolph said on 13 Dec 2007 at 11:39 pm:
Europeans, Africans, and Asians can and do overstay their visas. That makes them just as illegal as someone who walks or drives across our borders. In many respects, they are far more dangerous to our society.
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At least there is SOME accountability. And, we know their names. And, there is not 15-40 million immigrants overstaying their visas. The US, as is true with every other nation, we limit the number of visas. So, your comment is really rather worthless.
For all of you liberals/pro-illegal alien supporters that cry racism…I decided to post the comment I made on another thread…for you to directly address:
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 14 Dec 2007 at 7:25 am:
This is a direct quote from the National Council of La Raza (as you can see it violates item 3 in my list above). The issues they mention would apply to all people in America not just “latinos” (there is no reason to have a “latino” perspective with regard to these global issues that affect all Americans).
“To achieve its mission, NCLR conducts applied research, policy analysis, and advocacy, providing a Latino perspective in five key areas – assets/investments, civil rights/immigration, education, employment and economic status, and health.”
QUESTION: is the NCLR position racist? I think it is! It is only concerned with what latinos think (not anyone else). Therefore, they will push for policies for the advancement of only latinos! That my friends is racism! Why don’t you liberals/pro-illegal alien supporters ever address this head on????? Even “You Don’t Speak for Me” (group of LEGAL Latinos against illegal immigration) is against the NCLR!!!!! Why? Because the “You Don’t Speak for Me” people represent what true Americans are all about!!!! I noticed that on my other thread….not one liberal/pro-illegal alien supporter addressed my post above!
WHAT??? The liberals/pro-illegal alien supporters have no comments to my post directly above???